[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12349

There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: First raw piece of chicken successfully consumed!!!
From: jennifer_hell

2a. Re: update and a few questions ;)
From: Erika
2b. Re: update and a few questions ;)
From: stephen symmonds

3a. Re: Parasites?
From: sltahoek9s

4a. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
From: aldona99

5a. Re: Salmon oil versus capsules
From: Morledzep@aol.com

6a. Re: Anyone feeding DDB a RAW Diet?
From: borodeauxs

7. another knackery drop off
From: bluegracepwd

8a. Re: Fish and Game
From: gbongi1
8b. Re: Fish and Game
From: jaygaughan

9a. Re: Section of deer where it was shot...
From: Jean

10a. Re: Chicken skin question
From: jaygaughan

11a. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
From: outcats4@aol.com

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1a. Re: First raw piece of chicken successfully consumed!!!
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:15 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote:
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> MODERATOR'S NOTE: TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.
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> wow she did ok with the drumstick? some people recommended feeding
bigger, especially for 26lbs. snowy is 20lbs and i hesitate to give
him just a drumstick. i fed him a whole chicken and he does ok with
that..he just leaves it alone after he's had his fill...
>

My girl has 55lb and eats drumsticks, when I need to cut up the
chicken because it's otherwise too much at once. A drumstick with a
little chicken attached has more than half a pound, about 300 to 400g.
We get free range chicken.

Jennifer

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2a. Re: update and a few questions ;)
Posted by: "Erika" Erika@redangelbordeaux.com redangelbordeaux
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 3:59 am ((PST))

Hello there,

The dogs are doing great with the beef heart and the lamb breast. Only softer stool for the first day. I've got one girl who likes the beef heart so much that now she is turning her nose up on everything else, ugh! LOL to much of a good thing I guess, but she eats her other meats eventually just looks at me after checking around her bowl and the yard like "where is the good stuff ma?"

Even the 5 month old pup chompes through the lamb ribs with little effort!

Well now for a few questions, more just checking.

With the great deal on lamb I really want to stock my whole freezer with it. I know that variety is important but would it be ok to feed the majority of meals in a week consisting of Lamb breast with a bit of other meat added, like heart and then feed pork one day and chicken or turkey another day? or is that overdooing it on the lamb? It's a tough call when something that is soo good is so cheap!

Another question that pertains more towards digestion.

I have read everyone speaking small size and of lack of waste odor, and dog gass since changing to raw. Now my dogs do have the small compact poops but my god to they stink to high heaven. If a window adjacent to the yard is open when someone makes a deposit in the yard you will definatley smell it in the house! They have gas that will peel the paper off the walls and when they burp it smells like decomp or rotten chicken. Everything looks like it's digesting well when it comes out and the dogs are improving in condition in leaps and bounds ( I really wish I had better before photos!) I am now just awating the day where the airfresheners are not constantly needed to be kept at arms legnth! Oh, and there is no differance in stench between feeding different proteins and I am feeding 6 adults and 1 puppy not all who are related so I doubt I am dealing with a protein sensitivity since it is the same in all dogs.

Thanks again,
Erika

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2b. Re: update and a few questions ;)
Posted by: "stephen symmonds" Borodeauxs@googlemail.com borodeauxs
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 4:42 am ((PST))

Hello there again,...

If you can get lamb cheap as you say,..then I would stock up and not worry
about feeding too much lamb,..just monitor the breast intake,..as if I am
right believe the breast is like ribs but more cartlidge,.very soft like
bone,..we use ribs & breast as treats really and have a straight diet each
day of tripe & chicken,..chicken is ground with bone included,..tripe has
reds in it(hearts ,cheeks,tounges,etc),..and that is the staple diet each
and everyday and my dogs are thriving on this diet,..one time I was buying
tripe without the reds in,..and would buy a few ox's hearts each week,..and
add some ribs as treats,..you can not really give too much of one meat,..its
when loads of meats are combined and diet becomes too rich,.problems
occur,...as long as you add organs10%/bones 10% then what ever you choose
should be fine,..We have one who loves hearts and stopped eating other foods
offered,..but soon got back on the tripe/chicken,..

As for digestion,..and smelly gases ,...I can honestly say our do not smell
really,..all stools are quite firm,...I believe the looser the stools the
more smell ,..and think the gas is passed as the stools are loose so
something not agreeing with the digestive system,..if you have added a
little too much bone,..the poops will be hard and most probably white like
chalk,..these do not give any smells off,..were as the pups I am weaning
have loose stool's and very smelly,..quite dark aswell ,..so I think system
getting use to the rich food,..and these are recieving different food
offered,..just to prevent picky eaters,.. after starting with brand new pups
(offering different things produces the smelly stools)...these are just my
observations of things and like to keep a eye on diets and things,...Well
hope this helps alittle and do you have a website to view your Dogue's talk
soon Best Wishes Stephen
On 12/6/07, Erika <Erika@redangelbordeaux.com> wrote:
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> Hello there,
>
> The dogs are doing great with the beef heart and the lamb breast. Only
> softer stool for the first day. I've got one girl who likes the beef heart
> so much that now she is turning her nose up on everything else, ugh! LOL to
> much of a good thing I guess, but she eats her other meats eventually just
> looks at me after checking around her bowl and the yard like "where is the
> good stuff ma?"
>
> Even the 5 month old pup chompes through the lamb ribs with little effort!
>
> Well now for a few questions, more just checking.
>
> With the great deal on lamb I really want to stock my whole freezer with
> it. I know that variety is important but would it be ok to feed the majority
> of meals in a week consisting of Lamb breast with a bit of other meat added,
> like heart and then feed pork one day and chicken or turkey another day? or
> is that overdooing it on the lamb? It's a tough call when something that is
> soo good is so cheap!
>
> Another question that pertains more towards digestion.
>
> I have read everyone speaking small size and of lack of waste odor, and
> dog gass since changing to raw. Now my dogs do have the small compact poops
> but my god to they stink to high heaven. If a window adjacent to the yard is
> open when someone makes a deposit in the yard you will definatley smell it
> in the house! They have gas that will peel the paper off the walls and when
> they burp it smells like decomp or rotten chicken. Everything looks like
> it's digesting well when it comes out and the dogs are improving in
> condition in leaps and bounds ( I really wish I had better before photos!) I
> am now just awating the day where the airfresheners are not constantly
> needed to be kept at arms legnth! Oh, and there is no differance in stench
> between feeding different proteins and I am feeding 6 adults and 1 puppy not
> all who are related so I doubt I am dealing with a protein sensitivity since
> it is the same in all dogs.
>
> Thanks again,
> Erika
>
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>
>
>
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3a. Re: Parasites?
Posted by: "sltahoek9s" crazy4k9@aol.com sltahoek9s
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 3:59 am ((PST))

Did he have a bout
> of constipation? Either extreme can irriate the rectum. Even one bone
> that gee'd when it shoulda haw'd could have irritated the area.

Thanks Chris,
Come to think of it, he had been constipated a few times previous to the licking. He is
definitely expressing the anal glands, with gusto. I think his meals may have been a little too
boney. I'm going to increase the meaty meat and back off the bonier pieces. Hopefully this
will solve the issue.

Tammy C

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4a. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
Posted by: "aldona99" aldona99@yahoo.com aldona99
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 3:59 am ((PST))

Hi,

I'm not sure who wrote what, but I do want to support the person's
theory, if you want to call it that, about detoxing. I also think it's
the pup's body "detoxing", getting rid of the "toxins" in his body.
The best way is to let it out through the animals' largest organ, his
skin.

If he's been checked for mange, or worms, and it comes back negative,
than what other theory would Bill have? And why, on earth, do you say
that detox is a myth? I totally disagree with that statement.

I hope that Rio is doing better now, and it's a good thing he has an
owner who takes good care of his health and well being.

Aldona, living currently in Germany.

> If an animal is has a cooked people diet and/or a kibble diet,
there are toxins in the food that would need to be eliminated when
switching to raw.
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> Detox is not a mythical condition in human beings (hubby is an N.D.
(Doctor of Naturopathy) ). the cheap stuff is processed in a way that
would leave it full of . . . undesirable things that aren't good for
a dog.
>
> > Anyone think it's detox besides me??

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5a. Re: Salmon oil versus capsules
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 3:59 am ((PST))

In a message dated 12/6/2007 12:15:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com writes:

I do not know what "scalded" mean(no dictionatry with me now..),but I feed
raw tripe.Grounded one with spleen from hare today in PA.

I know that some company sells canned tripe and I am wondering those are raw
state or cooked state..

Yassy,

scalded means that it has been dipped in boiling water to kill "germs". in
other words, partially cooked.

canned = cooked.. even if what is in the can was put in the can raw, the act
of canning cooks the contents..

Catherine R.

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6a. Re: Anyone feeding DDB a RAW Diet?
Posted by: "borodeauxs" Borodeauxs@googlemail.com borodeauxs
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 3:59 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "redangelbordeaux" <Erika@...>
wrote:
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> I am just wondering if there is anyone on the list who has been
> feeding there Bordeaux a RAW diet.
>
> Feel free to contact me off of the list.
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> I'm looking to get advice and share some breed specific experiences
of
> feeding RAW to our breed of dog. Especially interested in chatting
> with a fellow breeder!
>
> Thanks,
> Erika
>

Hi Erika,...and welcome to the group,..yes we have been successfully
feeding our Dogue's raw diet and would be more than happy to share
experiences with fellow breeders ,..and talk about this magnificant
breed,..the Dogue's will love you for it,..we have weaning our new
pups straight onto the raw diet and yes they love it too!..talk soon
Stephen www.Borodeauxs.com

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7. another knackery drop off
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 4:02 am ((PST))

I got a call last night from the knackery to say they are 2 sheep and
1 foal - all deceased and did I want them. Well of course I did. For
$30 I got all this, and delivery included, and of course, the knackery
does all the hard work of "dressing them", or "undressing" them as I
call it. All I have to do is take to them with an axe to make them
manageable for the freezer. The foal didn't make it through the
birthing process. It was very suprising how substantially hard the
bone was on the foal - much harder than the sheep.

The dogs think I am the best hunter ever!

cheers

Jane
www.bluegrace.com

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8a. Re: Fish and Game
Posted by: "gbongi1" gbongi1@comcast.net gbongi1
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 4:42 am ((PST))

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> Rule of thumb: If you would eat it, its ok to feed your dog.

Hi thanks for the response. I wouldn't necessarily eat crow but is
this ok to feed the dog. One hunter friend stated not to bother
because "crow carry diseases"
Doesn't everything carry something?? I am not sure if crows really do
carry diseases.
thanks again
~g~

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8b. Re: Fish and Game
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 5:07 am ((PST))

G I'm a big time archery hunter and fisherman. Just caught and released
over 40 Stripers last night. The ice on my boat had me skating across
the back end while fighting fish. It was in the low 20's here in CT. We
have hold overs that stay here all winter in a few larger rivers.

Anyways the dog can and will eat anything you can catch or kill. I
haven't yet fed Blues but I bid drop a bunch in the freezer for him. I
removed the heads because of the teeth. These Blues are about 15lbs and
have some nasty teeth. Other than that I have seen many dogs eat fish
whole.
Venison is a rich meat. Introduce it slowly or you might give your dog
the Hershey squirts.

Good luck in the woods and on the water.

Jay

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9a. Re: Section of deer where it was shot...
Posted by: "Jean" zululhw@yahoo.ca zululhw
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 5:06 am ((PST))

Hi Christine,

We feed venison however you really have to be careful and look for
shot. Just cut it up finely and feel around.

One member of another list found a 3-sided arrow point in her dog's
crate after he finished eating. It was buried in the ribs. Needless
to say she was extremely upset especially at the thought if she had
fed the same slab to one of her gulpers.

I'm considering a metal detector because we have quite a lot of
venison.

Jean

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, woofwoofgrrl <cmc4lists1@...>
wrote:
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> I'm getting a neck roast from someone at work - apparently the deer
was
> shot in the neck and they didn't want to mess with it...
> Is this okay to feed are will there be shards hiding in the meat
that I
> won't be able to find when I'm cutting it into smaller pieces?
>
> Thanks!
> Christine
>

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10a. Re: Chicken skin question
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 5:26 am ((PST))

Thank you all for the replies.

Now this raised more questions.

I am feeding the puppy all meat for his second meal (Chicken, turkey,
and beef). Is this enough to balance out the chicken backs he gets in
the morning or should I add meat to his morning meal and cut back on
the bone?

He's 25lbs. I fed him 2 chicken backs this morning.

Thanks again

Jay

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11a. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
Posted by: "outcats4@aol.com" outcats4@aol.com barb5ducks
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 5:26 am ((PST))

Thank you everyone for your reply on the turkey neck question. He seems to
do okay with them, he does chew them little by little and really takes his
time. He also seems to love them. I'll give them a try, and try not to worry
so much.
barb

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