Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12348

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
From: Dawn Falcone
1b. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
From: Dawn Falcone
1c. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
From: Dawn
1d. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
From: carnesbill
1e. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
From: katkellm

2a. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
From: MORGAN LEWIS
2b. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
From: Sandee Lee
2c. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
From: costrowski75
2d. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
From: Morledzep@aol.com
2e. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
From: Yasuko herron
2f. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
From: carnesbill

3a. Feeding Foster Puppies
From: Eva Finlan
3b. Re: Feeding Foster Puppies
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
3c. Re: Feeding Foster Puppies
From: carnesbill

4a. Re: Beef Heart? and other meats :)
From: Penny

5a. Puzzled by duration of loose stools
From: Sue Colvin

6. Re: Digest Number 12347
From: SGcvn69 | www.beautipage.com/cindiwu

7a. Re: Feeding organs;do we need to washthem before feeding???
From: shefy gupta

8a. Re: First raw piece of chicken successfully consumed!!!
From: shefy gupta

9a. Re: Wild Rabbit Organ
From: carnesbill

10.1. Re: New to Raw
From: Yasuko herron

11.1. Re: Hello! I just joined.
From: Yasuko herron

12a. Re: A little leery on starting
From: Yasuko herron

13a. Re: Salmon oil versus capsules
From: Yasuko herron

14. Anyone feeding DDB a RAW Diet?
From: redangelbordeaux

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1a. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
Posted by: "Dawn Falcone" pippin_the_grey@sbcglobal.net fuyu_ko_domo
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 5:19 pm ((PST))

If an animal is has a cooked people diet and/or a kibble diet, there are toxins in the food that would need to be eliminated when switching to raw.

Detox is not a mythical condition in human beings (hubby is an N.D. (Doctor of Naturopathy) ). I'm not an expert on pets (still learning), but logically, it would make sense that it would also not be a mythical condition in animals, if those animals eat an inappropriate diet that is full of toxins. I don't know about premium kibble, but the cheap stuff is processed in a way that would leave it full of . . . undesirable things that aren't good for a dog.

carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote: --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Dawn" <dawnrin@...> wrote:
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> Anyone think it's detox besides me??

If there was a such thing as detox, it might be but since detox is a
mythical condition, it can't be. What is described by some as "detox"
is actually the body learning to digest something it has never seen
before. "Detox" means to rid the body of poisons or adictive
substances and this doesn't happen in switching dogs to raw.

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1b. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
Posted by: "Dawn Falcone" pippin_the_grey@sbcglobal.net fuyu_ko_domo
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 5:19 pm ((PST))

If an animal is has a cooked people diet and/or a kibble diet, there are toxins in the food that would need to be eliminated when switching to raw.

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1c. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
Posted by: "Dawn" dawnrin@yahoo.com dawnrin
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:04 pm ((PST))

Just me again. My dog had been eating Eukanuba Adult Maintenance
before I switched him to a no-grain kibble and raw diet. I would feed
Timberwolf Organics in the a.m. and raw frozen at night. My dog
almost died this summer from a vaccine reaction. He had been on super
high doses of prednisone for months and just got him off of it totally
about 2 months ago. He had lost 20 lbs. in 2 months despite his
eating like a horse. We have been seeing a holistic vet and she
recommended me switching him to no-grain because his sire died from
lymphoma and he tested positive for blood markers for lymphoma. He
does NOT have lymphoma at this time, BUT that is the reason for my
switching his diet to a no-grain/raw diet. About 3 weeks ago, I had
him at the holistic vet and he had a little bacterial infection going
on in his tummy area. We got anti-bacterial spray and Novalsan
shampoo for it. Had him bathed every week for 3 weeks and that
infection went away. It was only in the past 2 week that he's been
getting some sores on his body and losing lots of hair. I called the
holistic vet and she told me to give RAW ONLY and no kibble at all.
She also told me to give him the supplement "Cell Detox" twice a day
for 2 months and to give her a call if something happened. I've been
reading loads of stuff (including the book by Richard Pitcairn DVM,
the holistic master himself). According to Dr. Pitcairn, dogs CAN
have detox and exhibit the same symptoms that my dog is going through
right now. All I know is that if it weren't for my holistic vet, my
dog would not be alive today.. so she is queen in my book. Anyway, I
just wanted to see if anyone had the same thing happen to them. My
dog had LOADS of toxins in his body.. so it's not surprising to me
that he's losing coat and has some sores on his body. It's NOT
demodex or mange folks. His face and body didn't look like any of the
pictures I saw online. I'll be calling the holistic vet back tomorrow
for input. Meanwhile, my dog has only been on 100% raw for 2 days
now. Like I said, prior to that, he's been eating no-grain kibble in
the a.m. and raw at night. All this is so new to me, but I'm 100%
dedicated to getting my dog's immune system in peak condition so no
pesky cancer cells stand a chance to invade his body. Thanks Dawn F.
for your input... people were making me feel like I am losing my mind.
Thanks again everyone.

Dawn
Mom to Berners, Tango and Rio

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Dawn Falcone <pippin_the_grey@...>
wrote:

Detox is not a mythical condition in human beings (hubby is an N.D.
(Doctor of Naturopathy). I'm not an expert on pets (still learning),
but logically, it would make sense that it would also not be a
mythical condition in animals, if those animals eat an inappropriate
diet that is full of toxins. I don't know about premium kibble, but
the cheap stuff is processed in a way that would leave it full of . .
. undesirable things that aren't good for a dog.

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1d. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:11 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Dawn Falcone
<pippin_the_grey@...> wrote:
>
> If an animal is has a cooked people diet and/or a kibble
> diet, there are toxins in the food that would need to
> be eliminated when switching to raw.

I guess it depends on what your definition of detox is. Yes, dogs
eating an inappropriate diet will have inappropriate chemicals in
their body. When switching to an appropriate diet, these
inappropriate things are gradually eliminated from the body
naturally. The only difference in eliminating them while on a raw
diet is that they aren't replaced after they are eliminated. The
raw diet doesn't speed up the process other than eliminating the
replacement.

No bad physical effects happen because toxins are being eliminated
from the body. The toxins have been being eliminated since the dog
ate his first bowl of kibble. Again, the only difference on a raw
diet is they are not being replaced.

Detox in the case of physical sypmtoms of a dog who is newly
switched to a raw diet is a mythical answer to a logical question.
I think this whole detox explanation was started by the BARFers.
Thats where I first heard it 5 1/2 years ago.

Bill Carnes
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Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1e. Re: Yikes --- Is it DETOX??
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:15 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Dawn" <dawnrin@...> wrote:
About 3 weeks ago, I had
> him at the holistic vet and he had a little bacterial infection going
> on in his tummy area. We got anti-bacterial spray and Novalsan
> shampoo for it. Had him bathed every week for 3 weeks and that
> infection went away. It was only in the past 2 week that he's been
> getting some sores on his body and losing lots of hair. I called the
> holistic vet and she told me to give RAW ONLY and no kibble at all.
> She also told me to give him the supplement "Cell Detox" twice a day
> for 2 months and to give her a call if something happened.

Holistic vets are no better, or no worse, imo, than a regular old vet.
They use meds, similar to an allopathic vet and push supplements in
an effort to appear enlightened and advanced in natural care. The
only true improvement or different approach, depending on how you feel
about homeopathic medicine, would be to see a homeopath.

I think that, as usual, it would be hard to beat Chris O's post
regarding detox. (see the middle question about detox)

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/107134

JMO,KathyM

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2a. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
Posted by: "MORGAN LEWIS" shadowland22000@yahoo.com shadowland22000
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 5:19 pm ((PST))

Barb I have fed turkey necks for 3 years to my GSDs; never had a problem and the dogs love them. Morgan

outcats4@aol.com wrote: Hi, I did a search on the list about turkey necks, but couldnt find much
about not giving them. Im concerned about feeding them to my dog. Are they
safe ? He isnt a gulper, but there just seems to be so many bones in them. Has
anyone had any problems with turkey necks?
Thanks for your help,
Barb

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2b. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 5:22 pm ((PST))

Barb,

Turkey necks are kinda one of those "know your dog" things! Some can eat
them with no problems, gulpers cannot as they are just the right size to get
stuck if swallowed whole! They are high in bone but as long as you are
feeding plenty of meat elsewhere...or even with the neck...it all evens out!
If he isn't a gulper, they would probably be fine.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: <outcats4@aol.com>

> Hi, I did a search on the list about turkey necks, but couldnt find much
> about not giving them. Im concerned about feeding them to my dog. Are
they
> safe ? He isnt a gulper, but there just seems to be so many bones in
them. Has
> anyone had any problems with turkey necks?

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2c. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 6:01 pm ((PST))

outcats4@... wrote:
Im concerned about feeding them to my dog. Are they
> safe ? He isnt a gulper, but there just seems to be so many bones
in them. Has
> anyone had any problems with turkey necks?
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I don't feed turkey necks to my dogs because my dogs have such
inflated opinions of themselves that they think they can--and should--
swallow as much of a turkey neck as possible, reality be damned. For
me, turkey necks are not worth the potential for stupid eating. The
shape and size are troublesome to me, not the amount of bones.

Turkey necks bones are easy peasy to crunch; my 10lb cat can do
serious harm to a hen turkey neck all by her lonesome. I can
understand why you perceive them as daunting but really, they are not.

If your dog takes his time with his food (I hear tell some dogs
actually do!), a whole turkey neck although it isn't particularly
meaty may well be a useful body part to feed him. Small dogs may be
sufficiently challenged by a hen turkey neck; larger dogs may do best
with a tom (male) turkey neck, which is much larger.

If you are feeding twice a day, I recommend the "other" meal be meat;
if you are feeding once a day, perhaps the next day's meal might be
meat. OTOH (there's ALWAYS another hand) if your dog seems to do
well on a notably bony meal, then you may not have to load in a few
meatymeat meals.
Chris O

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2d. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 6:24 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 12/5/2007 4:48:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
outcats4@aol.com writes:

Has
anyone had any problems with turkey necks?
Thanks for your help,

Barb,

they are a little high in bone.. or actually a lot high in bone. But if a
whole turkey neck is a meal for your dog, then feed a meat only meal next. or
add meat to a turkey neck meal.

for a dog with gulping issues, a turkey neck that isn't attached to the
turkey might cause choking.. but for the most part i think that turkey necks are
big enough that all but the biggest dogs couldn't accomplish such things.

Catherine R.

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2e. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:04 pm ((PST))

>Has anyone had any problems with turkey necks?

Palette loooves Turkey Neck. She crunches pretty good so,I have no worries about feeding it.When I feed Turkey Neck, I feed boneless meat too.

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2f. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:09 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, outcats4@... wrote:
>
> Has
> anyone had any problems with turkey necks?

I've been feeding them a couple of times a week for 5 years to several
dogs. No problems. OCASIONALLY one will swallow one a little two
large but they will bring it back up, chew a little more and swallow
it again. I would only feed whole necks, not the ones that are cut in
half like you find in most grocery stores.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3a. Feeding Foster Puppies
Posted by: "Eva Finlan" efinlan@comcast.net hddanes
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 6:07 pm ((PST))

Hi All,

I an fostering 2 eleven week old Great Dane puppies who came into
rescue very skinny. They are each now about 32 lbs, eating almost 4
lbs a day and looking for more. I know that in theory I am giving them
enough but still am concerned. I started my own Danes on raw as
adults so wondered if anyone has any advice or experience to share.
They are both very active and seem perfectly healthy.

I am also looking for a home for these boys in NJ or PA that will keep
them raw fed,etc.
Thanks!
Eva Finlan
All About Them Giant Breed Rescue

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3b. Re: Feeding Foster Puppies
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:03 pm ((PST))

We have danes here too, and fosters also, I have a foster now, going thru a hungry stage, I bring her out to the living room sometimes, and let her sit with just me, and I give her a large rack of ribs of her very own, to chew on, last night it was emu ribs, and she ate the whole thing, there was nothing left. (emu ribs are like potato chips, they eat them all up) And she loved every bite of it. Sometimes I think they don't know that the food won't run out, or that there is always going to be more and that they don't have to worry about were or when it will be there. The one we have now, was very thin, is getting better, and now knows, she can always have more, if she asks nicely.:) But she needs to quit munching on my legs! I AM NOT ON THE MENU! But that's another story:)
We always let them have a little something inside or outside in the crates or where ever we feed them to chew on for treats between meals, so they know they won't go hungry. It helps over here. And it also helps with the teething stages too. And the I have nervous chewing energy also. Some danes just have to grow out of that.
Jeni

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3c. Re: Feeding Foster Puppies
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:11 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Eva Finlan" <efinlan@...> wrote:
>
> They are both very active and seem perfectly healthy.
>
The thing you want to be careful about with giant breed puppies is
over nutrition. This can cause all kinds of bone growth problems that
I am sure you are aware of. I think 4 lbs/day sounds pretty heavy
duty for dane puppies. As long as you can see two or three ribs
without seeing hip bone or spine you are feeding about right.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4a. Re: Beef Heart? and other meats :)
Posted by: "Penny" redpenn2003@yahoo.com redpenn2003
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 6:07 pm ((PST))

redangelbordeaux <Erika@redangelbordeaux.com> wrote: I just picked up a load of meat today.
...Isn't it fun shopping for the dogs!

40# Turkey necks. I was so happy to find out that they were
individually wrapped! Do they always come this way?
...My tom turkey necks are not individualy wrapped but I have the butcher bag them 2 in a bag for me!

40# super score of lamb brest for only .99 a lb!
...What a great price for lamb!

Should I trim the fat or leave it on and serve it up as is?
...Leave as is.

Is the artery portion a source or cartelidge that is good to feed to
a dog with displasia problems?
....I don't know if it will help with it but it surely is part of the "total" package when feeding a species approriate RMB diet!

Is it ok to feed the beef heart as the "meaty" portion of most meals
and the turkey necks and lamb breast(bone in) as the RMB portion of
the meal?
Beef heart is an excellent choice, however, an important key to remember is variety in a RMB diet.
.....Is your dogue new to RMB?
Penny

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5a. Puzzled by duration of loose stools
Posted by: "Sue Colvin" s.colvin@AUCKLAND.AC.NZ goldpak3
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 6:07 pm ((PST))

Hi Wendy,

I am on daily digest so my response may be a bit out of date but (imo)
it is possible that your dog does has a problem with chicken. Several
years ago, one of my canine kids was diagnosed with an allergy to
chicken (cooked, raw, kibble, whatever -- if it had feathers -- his
system objected to it). He could not eat the smallest smidgeon without
a severe case of 'the runs'. Although in hindsight the evidence was
there it took me many months and megabucks to obtain a medical diagnosis
and in the meantime he was not gaining weight or growing as he should.
He was fine on all red meat (beef, mutton) and fish.

I would definitely suggest cutting out the fat, smaller more frequent
meals, and even playing around with the proportion of bone. If that
doesn't help, and providing she is still free from parasites - and you
may need to retest to confirm, I would suggest trying another protein
source.

This is my first post so should introduce myself. I have three Goldies
(currently) and have been raw feeding for close to 20 years - various
degrees of raw - if you catch my drift. One of my current boys does
best primarily on chicken and some red meat, the other has a cast iron
stomach and can eat anything, my younger - almost 12 months and who is
from 2 generations of raw fed dogs surprisingly has this last week
decided to present me with several days of cow pats (sloppy, loose
stools). At least they are small amounts but still yuck to clean up..
It's not easy and I can certainly relate to others who have to go
through loose stool periods.

The best of luck in sorting out your little girl.

Sue C, New Zealand

> Could it be that she is the odd dog that
> just can't tolerate chicken?

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6. Re: Digest Number 12347
Posted by: "SGcvn69 | www.beautipage.com/cindiwu" SGcvn69yahoo@gmail.com sgcvn69
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 6:24 pm ((PST))

I haven't...used to give my dog when he was just a wee puppy turkey necks.
Then again, he's not a gulper and when he tries he gags :)

Has
> anyone had any problems with turkey necks?
> Thanks for your help,
> Barb
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7a. Re: Feeding organs;do we need to washthem before feeding???
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:07 pm ((PST))

MODERATOR'S NOTE: TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.

maybe she just doesn't want to eat it....

we humans have plenty of things we don't like eating either :)

shefy and snowy

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I do have one dog who doesn't like pork organs but it doesn't make any difference whether they are washed or not. He doesn't like the flavor and won't eat them.

Hi,sandee.That was what I thought;even if washed, the smell or taste or texture dog may not like would not change... I thought Urine thing was human concern but wasnot sure if something bad in health-wise would happen to my dog if left unwashed although palette seems doing okay.I guess it is ok without washing it.

if your dog does not like pork organ like mine,did you try mixing it with egg? Not sure why but she gubbles down if mixed with Egg.If not,she leave it for me to find liver is left lonely inside the doggy bowl,lol.

Pork organ is not must item but,by doing so,I found out she eats it fine so I am feeding it with Egg.

yassy

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8a. Re: First raw piece of chicken successfully consumed!!!
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:08 pm ((PST))

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wow she did ok with the drumstick? some people recommended feeding bigger, especially for 26lbs. snowy is 20lbs and i hesitate to give him just a drumstick. i fed him a whole chicken and he does ok with that..he just leaves it alone after he's had his fill...

how many ounces are the drumsticks you're feeding? i've only been able to find tiny ones in the stores..

good to hear she's doing good!

shefy and snowy

Annette <SLib700@aol.com> wrote:
Hallo everyone! I just wanted to report that I started to feed raw as
of today.I gave my dachshund a chicken drumstick,I was wondering if she
would eat it but as it turns out there was no cause to wonder,she took
it to the livingroom (yes, another livingroom feeder)where it got
devoured in no time at all.That was about 3 hours ago and at the moment
she's beside me snoring up a storm,no problems so far as far as
vomiting. I plan on giving her another piece tonight which I hope will
not be too much(she weighs 26lb.) Annette.

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9a. Re: Wild Rabbit Organ
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:10 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne MacLeod" <suzmacleod@...>
wrote:
>
> is there anything I should stay
> away from? These are wild snow rabbits.

Great find! My dogs won't eat intestines or stomach contents. They
eat everything else. Other dogs eat those parts fine.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
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10.1. Re: New to Raw
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:11 pm ((PST))

> 5. Have never seen hearts for sale in a market; and not priced beef tongue - do any of you purchase at a slaughter house?

If you live in VA,you can try walmart,shoppers,Food lion,Asian market for RMB or some organs.Even atregular grocerystore(I shop at Giant),they started carrying even rabbit and Buffalo,and sell Beef liver,Chicken liver,Oxtail,unsliced Beef Rib,Duck,Cornish Hen, such such such all the time.

In case of Giant, they told me on the phone that if you go to meat counter and ask what you want andthey try best to look for you andit is not guranteed to get it for some stuff say goat ,maybe,but you can definitely try asking is good idea.I hear if you ask Giant guy then,you most definitely can buy chicken feet although it is not on shelf.

Also,if you see chopped inch length of Oxtail,ask the meat guy if they have unsliced one back of the counter.Once I got whole tail.

Again,if you live in VA,Ukrop is good place to go for chicken andpork butt.They have lower price.

And for fish, you are mostlikely see fillet of fish on fish counter but,ask the fish guy what day qandwhat time is good for thestore manager to talk to about reserving whole fish for you.
In Giant store,I was told if I call 9am to 12pm on Wednesday,manager can talk to me and could reserve fish whole for me.

And last but not least,try request what you want to feed to dog to consumer affair department of the grocery store.

I actually was requesting Buffalo and Rabbit and some stuff but,either manager heard my voice or many people ask about it or what I write good about Buffalo meat etc caught their eyes on market sales or what,but they are selling now. I think so far,they are testing the market in sales and not much choice of buffalo;just steak or ground.But still, that is something.

I have once asked gnocchi on shelf andone day Giant head office manager called up and asked what it is,and I now see it on shelf too.

I think if you ask many people,some point time,you get source eventually and local grocerystore is one of source too for me.

yassy

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11.1. Re: Hello! I just joined.
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:15 am ((PST))

>I've been feeding her 1 chicken neck & back and 1 wing per meal.

I second to Jo.Too much bone(Too much calcium),and not much nutrition rich meat.
Meat deliver more nutrition than bone can.Give your dog more meat and little less bone and asa goal,give little of organ too.

yassy

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12a. Re: A little leery on starting
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:15 am ((PST))

>1. Marrow bones can be very rich for some dogs and if you have a dog
with a queasy stomach, I am not sure I would do marrows, especially with
LOTS of fat on them.

Hi,Jessica. marrow bone,Feumer bone,Knuckle bones are teethwear and,teeth breaker and I read some posts talking about undera dollar bone ended up with hundreds of Dental bill to treat the broken teeth etc.weight bearing bone like that is risky.i would not feed it.

if you want teeth cleaning effect in long run,try goat leg (lots of ripping,pulling,tackling directiohn change etc and rteal physical excersize too)or bigger rack of Beef ribs etc something that dog needs to work on hard. by ripping,it becomes frossing effect.
if dog can torelate fat,you can feed Pork feet asrecreational thing.It keepsdog occupies quite long.The boneis not as hard as Beef is and,good excersize for them.

if your dog needs chew,you can try Deer Antler.It does not sprinter and they can get natural mineral etc from the antler. Palette spends sometimes on it now and then.

when I feedrib meal like tonight,sheis zoned out and rather like to sleep under the desk while I do PC andleaving antler alone though.

>2. Most dogs are grass eaters, even raw-fed dogs. not much you can do
for that.

Grass eating is ok.I read lawn has chrolopihl andother natural nutrients andit is good for them if not under cow poo or anything under that not clean.Our lawn is not treated chemically so,she is free to graze.I let her. She enjoed some grazing under snowing today too.

>3. Stick to something very basic - one protein - most people start with
chicken, either wings (my dogs are great chewers), carcasses, etc.

Many startwith from whole bird;chicken,not parts by parts.

yassy

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13a. Re: Salmon oil versus capsules
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:15 am ((PST))

>There were some cute cubes but they had been scalded .....that would mean cooked?

I do not know what "scalded" mean(no dictionatry with me now..),but I feed raw tripe.Grounded one with spleen from hare today in PA.

I know that some company sells canned tripe and I am wondering those are raw state or cooked state..

Since you live in west coast, you can either look up omasdistributor or see about getting from reputable supplier like from tripe.com in CA. The tripe.com people oncetold me that shipping fee to VA with 10lb box weight,it is around 57dollars and it will be over night with DHL. Since on thesame side of coast,you would be able to get it much cheaper.

I know smell is stinky and make me nasey, and looks is yucky,but palette enjoy it a lot so,I keep it in menu.

I understand it is yucky thing and,may not be a thing you can handle with,but that is just a something you can keep in mind as info that tripe could work when dog refuse something you want them to eat if mixed with.That is not must item either so,it is all up to you.

I have heard that some people can get hunk of tripe not ground one but I have not been lucky one yet..

yassy

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14. Anyone feeding DDB a RAW Diet?
Posted by: "redangelbordeaux" Erika@redangelbordeaux.com redangelbordeaux
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:15 am ((PST))

I am just wondering if there is anyone on the list who has been
feeding there Bordeaux a RAW diet.

Feel free to contact me off of the list.

I'm looking to get advice and share some breed specific experiences of
feeding RAW to our breed of dog. Especially interested in chatting
with a fellow breeder!

Thanks,
Erika

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