[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12346

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
From: Gayle
1b. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
From: Chia
1c. How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
From: carnesbill
1d. How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
From: costrowski75
1e. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
From: Casey Post
1f. How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
From: carnesbill

2a. Best For Weight Gain
From: hburton878
2b. Re: Best For Weight Gain
From: Andrea
2c. Re: Best For Weight Gain
From: steph.sorensen

3a. Re: How to stop him from traveling around the house with food
From: jaygaughan

4a. Re: Feeding venison
From: Kim Clark
4b. Re: Feeding venison
From: Jen S

5a. A little leery on starting
From: Kim Clark
5b. Re: A little leery on starting
From: Andrea
5c. Re: A little leery on starting
From: mmc2315

6a. Re: Parasites?
From: costrowski75

7. Fish and Game
From: gbongi1

8a. Chicken skin question
From: jaygaughan
8b. Re: Chicken skin question
From: Andrea

9a. Re: Salmon oil versus capsules
From: Sai Simonson

10.1. Re: Salmon oil
From: Sai Simonson

11a. Re: Which of these has more good stuff for kittens..gizzards(bird st
From: swilken61

12a. marrow bones
From: tiffany.contempopainting

13a. Puzzled by duration of loose stools
From: mozookpr
13b. Re: Puzzled by duration of loose stools
From: Andrea

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1a. How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
Posted by: "Gayle" gayle@gayleturner.net gayle28607
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:02 am ((PST))

> How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
> Posted by: "Suzanne J" suzjoxx@... suzjoxx
> Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:55 am (PST)
>
> Just wondering what the long-term (positive) effects of raw feeding
> are. I started my dogs at ages 7 and 5 years. I'm wondering if anyone
> has an older dog they've been feeding since it was a pup, and what your
> experience is, versus a dog that was fed kibble for several years
> first. Are the always-raw fed dogs way more healthy?
>
> Suzanne
>

Has anyone considered developing a database for this list that addresses this issue? I
realize it could get complicated because ideally there would have to be criteria established
that went beyond "my dog was fed raw and died at x age with x health issues over the
years." The data could, unfortunately, be subject to manipulation if it was only based on
owner reports.

There is such a wealth of anecdotal evidence here, and I, for one, am very grateful for that.
But it does make me hope for some long term data collection from this group.

Maybe that has come up before. I haven't checked the archives on that. What do others
think?

Gayle and Chakotay

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1b. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:11 am ((PST))

> Just wondering what the long-term (positive) effects of raw feeding
> are. I started my dogs at ages 7 and 5 years. I'm wondering if anyone
> has an older dog they've been feeding since it was a pup, and what your
> experience is, versus a dog that was fed kibble for several years
> first. Are the always-raw fed dogs way more healthy?

#### I switched my dog to a species appropriate diet at age 6 months and
he is now 6. He is a vibrant, robust, gorgeous animal whom looks more like
an adolescent dog due to his muscular, lean build.

He has never had a bath, never had his teeth cleaned and requires NO vet
visits.

There is NO way I could EVER feed him commercial food, EVER! He deserves
the best and in seeing the other dogs out there, in comparison to him, it is
truly tragic what they must endure,

Chia & Ricco

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1c. How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:48 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Gayle" <gayle@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe that has come up before. I haven't checked the archives
> on that. What do others think?

Hey Gayle,
There was a 5 year study done in Belgium that was begun in 1998 and
covered 522 dogs. The study showed that dogs fed a "home made" diet
(this could be cooked, leftovers, BARF type, or prey model or any
combination) lived an average of 32 months longer than dogs fed
commercial diets. You can read about it at

http://www.ukrmb.co.uk/images/LippertSapySummary.pdf

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1d. How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:23 am ((PST))

"Gayle" <gayle@...> wrote:
> Has anyone considered developing a database for this list that
addresses this issue? I
> realize it could get complicated because ideally there would have to
be criteria established
> that went beyond "my dog was fed raw and died at x age with x health
issues over the
> years." The data could, unfortunately, be subject to manipulation if
it was only based on
> owner reports.
*****
I think you should do it! Find a need and fill it, right?
You want that bread baked, I think you should bake it. The Little Red
Hen was right.
Chris O

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1e. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 9:29 am ((PST))

>
> Has anyone considered developing a database for this list that addresses
> this issue? I
> realize it could get complicated because ideally there would have to be
> criteria established
> that went beyond "my dog was fed raw and died at x age with x health
> issues over the
> years." The data could, unfortunately, be subject to manipulation if it
> was only based on
> owner reports.

Gayle,

Good thought, but there are other factors to life span besides diet
(unfortunately). Genetics, vaccines, environment, etc. all play a role.
Also unfortunate is that too many of us switched to raw because of some kind
of health issue to begin with. I envy those more clever than I who "thought
it just made sense" when first exposed to the idea!

Casey

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1f. How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 11:35 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
>
> I think you should do it! Find a need and fill it, right?
> You want that bread baked, I think you should bake it.

Hehe, I used to have a boss like that. I quickly learned not to
suggest anything. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Best For Weight Gain
Posted by: "hburton878" hburton878@yahoo.com hburton878
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:28 am ((PST))

I am new to the group but have been reading the very informative posts
for awhile. I have recently started my 1 yr old Anatolian Shepherd,
Kyzer, on his exclusively raw food diet. Before this he had horrible
allergies and hives. He rarely ate his kibble and was quite skinny for
such a tall dog. He is only about 140lbs and is ment to be much
heavier. Now that he is on raw food, it is like he cant get enough and
is much happier now! His allergies and hives have also gone away and
he looks beautiful. I would like to help him put on more weight and
fill out. Is there one or two protein sources better for healthy
weight gain? Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Heather

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2b. Re: Best For Weight Gain
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:49 am ((PST))

I wouldn't worry too much about fattening him up, many underweight dogs
get up to a proper weight just by switching to a raw diet. It takes a
little time, but you don't want to add weight too quickly. Red meat
like beef and pork would be good for him, but make sure you add the new
proteins slowly. At a proper weight you should be able to see or feel
his last two ribs. If you don't notice him gaining any weight after
the first few weeks I'd increase the amount of food a little.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "hburton878" <hburton878@...> wrote:

> I would like to help him put on more weight and
> fill out. Is there one or two protein sources better for healthy
> weight gain?

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2c. Re: Best For Weight Gain
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:05 am ((PST))

I would just try fattier meats, like beef brisket and pork
shoulders. Those things provide good meat content, but also give him
some good fat too. I would feed more of that than chicken or turkey
for a little while - at least until he is close to his ideal weight.
Then I'd throw more chicken, venison, turkey and any other leaner
meats to him along with more beef and pork. Try to keep a good
variety, and just make sure he is still getting the 80-10-10 ratio of
meat-bone-organs, and you should be good to go!
>
> -Steph and the girls
>
> hburton878 <hburton878@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I would like to help him put on more weight and
> fill out. Is there one or two protein sources better for healthy
> weight gain? Any advice would be very much appreciated.
>
> Heather

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3a. Re: How to stop him from traveling around the house with food
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:52 am ((PST))

I decide to stay near him while he was eating yesterday afternoon
and immediately correct him if he tried to leave. It only took a
couple of times and he gets it now. For his third meal I didn't have
to correct him at all. He stayed right at his bowl and ate it all up.
The food never hit the ground. He learns very fast for a young pup.

I won't be feeding him in the crate when he's grown. I only do this
to get him familiar with the crate. He, like everyone else in my
family eats in the kitchen or dining room. If I let him eat in the
crate my kids will want to eat in their rooms also. LOL

He's 10 weeks old today. In the last 2 weeks he's learned so much. NO
of course was his first lesson. House broken already. He will go sit
in front of the door when he has to go. I'll be adding a bell to the
door as I did with my other Danes so he can ring it when he wants
out. Up and down stairs. Comes when called. Already has fetch down.
Just need to teach him to release when prompted. Walks with or
without a lead right next to me wherever I take him. And I take him
everywhere. Today he'll be going to basketball practice, to the pool
for swim practice, and to dance class. I have 3 VERY busy children. I
live in a small town so Luthor comes in every building with me.
Socializing him to the max. Tonight he'll be learning to sit.

As for eating at an elevated feeding stand. He, just like my other
Danes will.
This is just like having my children stay in the kitchen and eat,
it's not an option.
With praise and or immediate correction my dogs listen very well and
obey all commands. They live to please us. You just need to give them
the tools to do so.

Lying down while eating isn't bad. For a dog the size of a Dane
trying to swallow while your head is pointed down at the floor isn't
easy. Stands help in many ways. I know many Danes that eat this way.

Thanks again for all your thoughts on this.

Take a look at this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pphoNerNRU4

Jay

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4a. Re: Feeding venison
Posted by: "Kim Clark" kimmieclark@netzero.com howdryiam50
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:05 am ((PST))

> Is your dog new to raw feeding? Have your dog eaten deer organ
before?

No I have not started yet, I am just getting all the do's and don'ts
down.

> Did your husband removed organ right away andseparate it from
animal?

I really don't know why my husband removes the organs in the field
(field dressed) but I will find out. I am not sure I can stomach
gathering those up or even having him bring them to me. We butcher the
deer ourselves, so maybe I could. He hunts right in our back yard so to
speak.

Kimmie

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4b. Re: Feeding venison
Posted by: "Jen S" zordan@optonline.net sigp2301
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:16 am ((PST))

Organs don't keep well in a warm/cooling carcass. A hunter will field
dress game because gasses build up in the organs and will contaminate
the meat pretty quickly. Most hunters will leave the offal in the
woods for scavengers.

If you are lucky enough to find a hunter that will haul the organs out
of the woods for you, then just check with your state's Department of
Environmental Protection (or equivalent) to make sure the organs of
wild game aren't considered contaminated.

The CT DEP advises against consuming venison liver because of a toxic
build up of heavy metals. The liver is the body's filter, and it
traps toxins. Those that can't be eliminated are stored. A quick
phone call or visit to your state's hunting regulations website should
answer your question.

JenZ

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5a. A little leery on starting
Posted by: "Kim Clark" kimmieclark@netzero.com howdryiam50
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:15 am ((PST))

For some reason I am a little leery on starting Rustee on the raw food.
I know he will love it as I give him pieces or meat when I cut it up to
cook and or when we butcher deer. He seems to be a easy vomiter, the
most of any dog I have ever had. He has lots of bile, sometimes foamy.
Another thing I noticed is he loves to eat grass, I heard it's wives
tell that they only do this when they have a stomach ache. I would say
that he barfs at least twice a week or more, sometimes right after he
eats. He is fed kibble.

So the question is should he be able to tolerate the raw meat better? I
have given him marrow bones but I know to let him outside because he
seems to barf them up to, to much fat maybe? I heard since, not to give
them to him due to they are to fatty and to hard not good for the teeth.

Kimmie

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5b. Re: A little leery on starting
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:25 am ((PST))

Of course start right away! It's hard to tell at this point what is
making him vomit, but feeding a raw diet will help eliminate some of
the possibilities. Make sure you feed him things that he has to work
at to eat. Eating too quickly can cause a dog to vomit up their
food, but they will usually re-eat it if given the chance. Also make
sure you feed room temp food, as cold food can also get returned to
sender.

Do you have a specified feeding schedule? Expecting food at a
certain time can also invite bile vomit. Start with just one protein
source for a couple of weeks before you start adding in other
proteins or organs.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kim Clark" <kimmieclark@...>
wrote:

> So the question is should he be able to tolerate the raw meat
> better? I have given him marrow bones but I know to let him outside
> because he seems to barf them up to, to much fat maybe? I heard
> since, not to give them to him due to they are to fatty and to hard
> not good for the teeth.

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5c. Re: A little leery on starting
Posted by: "mmc2315" m.chelap@sbcglobal.net mmc2315
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 10:22 am ((PST))

Hi Andrea,

Our 10# terrier mix has been on raw since the beginning of November. He has thrown up a
few times, no doubt. Once, he threw up his entire chicken dinner shortly after eating, but
seemed well otherwises.

We've noticed he throws up more often if he has been chewing on sticks or wood chips in the
yard. That will almost certainly come up. :P

I vote start as soon as you're ready and take. it. slow. We stayed on chicken for 3 ? weeks
(chicken quarters, chicken breast with and without bone), then tried pork, then tried rabbit.
We haven't introduced organs yet.

Our dog seems so healthy, his coat looks better, and he is soooo happy at mealtime.

Michelle

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6a. Re: Parasites?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:16 am ((PST))

"sltahoek9s" <crazy4k9@...> wrote:
but the last week or
> more, my GSD has been really licking at his anus. When I notice him,
it seems to be a bit red
> and irritated from his licking. Could this be from parasites?
*****
Maybe but I doubt it.

It could be his anal glands.

But since licking also addresses pain irritation as well as itch
irritation, you might want to think back on his stools (yeah, I know,
but how else are you going to eliminate the potential problem of, um,
elimination?); did he have a bout of loose stools? Did he have a bout
of constipation? Either extreme can irriate the rectum. Even one bone
that gee'd when it shoulda haw'd could have irritated the area.

I'd wash the area and apply aloe vera, I would. And of course stay
tuned for further developments.
Chris O

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7. Fish and Game
Posted by: "gbongi1" gbongi1@comcast.net gbongi1
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 10:20 am ((PST))

Hello,
I go fishing and hunting.
I understand Squirrel, Rabbit, and Deer are great food items for my
little guy.
Are ther any game that on ewould not feed their dog??
Also about fish.
I catch White and yellow perch, tog, blues, and striper. Can I feed my
dog these items whole?

thanks
~g~

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8a. Chicken skin question
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 10:21 am ((PST))

I am feeding my 10 week old Dane chicken backs and he's loving them.

My question is should I leave the extra skin on them or trim it off?
When they cut the breast meat off they leave the flap of skin on each
side that covered the breast. So far I've been cutting most off. I
think it is out of habit since I do this when I cook chicken for my
family.

I just read that chicken skin is considered part of the raw meat
portion of a raw diet.

What are your thoughts on chicken skin?

Thank you

Jay

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8b. Re: Chicken skin question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 11:02 am ((PST))

I see no reason to remove skin unless it is causing digestive upset.
I'd be afraid to remove extra skin from back only meals since you might
end up with crumbly dry poos. Personally I would be adding more meat
to the back meals as well. Skin isn't bad for dogs so leave it unless
your dog's stools tell you to do so.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jaygaughan" <jaygaughan@...> wrote:
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> I am feeding my 10 week old Dane chicken backs and he's loving them.
>
> My question is should I leave the extra skin on them or trim it off?
> When they cut the breast meat off they leave the flap of skin on each
> side that covered the breast. So far I've been cutting most off.

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9a. Re: Salmon oil versus capsules
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 10:21 am ((PST))

Yassy,

I looked at tripe and I do not think I can work with it. Big yucky
hunk. There were some cute cubes but they had been scalded .....that
would mean cooked?

I do like your ideas with the capsules. I am off to try the Grizzly
Salmon oil, found it about a mile from the house. Love this area,
Milwaukie, Oregon.
Sai

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Or,just mix the Egg with tripe ;more smelly thing but dog likes it and
omit the cheese,and then, you can just pop the fish oil capsule to your
dog and no snipping.Most dog likes Tripe and fish oil so,it maybe go
good for yourdog.

My dog drool and keep licking the mouth when I feed tripe.For me,it is
smelly thing and not appetising but for her,it looks like very tasty thing.

Like mine,on very first day,you may need to show your dog what the
capsule tastes like and you may need to snip it off like I did but,I am
sure your dog would figure out it is other tasty thing.
yassy
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*~~ SaiCzarina*

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10.1. Re: Salmon oil
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 10:21 am ((PST))

Another great idea, Mallory
Thanks,
Sai

use salmon oil in a pump bottle from www.leerburg.com
mine won't take capsules, so just give them a squirt. mine will acually
open up for a squirt in the mouth, or lick it off a spoon. they love it.
mallory

--
*~~ SaiCzarina*

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11a. Re: Which of these has more good stuff for kittens..gizzards(bird st
Posted by: "swilken61" powrfemme@aol.com swilken61
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 10:33 am ((PST))

I've read that gizzards have a lot of methionine (sp?), which helps
prevent urinary tract infections, so I try to give some to both my cats
and my dog, who is prone to them. By default, the other dog gets them
too.

Stephany

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12a. marrow bones
Posted by: "tiffany.contempopainting" tiffcurran@gmail.com tiffany.contempopainting
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 11:34 am ((PST))

Hi everyone. We have gotten some great advise here and the dogs are doing great now with their raw diet. We are still in the beginning stages though. I try to balance out their food over time. I was wondering if marrow bones are ok to give them to chew on. They don't have any meat so it wouldn't be a meal. They used to love rawhide until I found out how bad they are and took them. Just wondering if I could substitute them for the marrow bones or if it would cause an upset stomach. Thanks for all the advice.
Tiffany

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13a. Puzzled by duration of loose stools
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 11:35 am ((PST))

Hello, all.

I have read and read about this issue, and it seems that the more I
read, the less clear I am about how to proceed.

I started raw feeding my two dogs last Monday. My Pomeranian, Foxy,
5, is doing well, although not eating as much as I would like
(looking back, though, he was never a big eater on doom nuggets,
either, it would take months to finish off 5-lb. bag.) No loose
stools, not even close. He is already getting pork and beef along
with his chicken, and last night he ate a sardine while I was feeding
the cats, and loved it.

My concern at this point is Sophie. She is a Sheltie, coming up on 5
months old. She eats her meals with great gusto, two a day, and the
amount of intake is right on target for her estimated adult weight.
She is still getting chicken only, although she did mooch a sardine
last night. Her stools are still very loose, some are nothing but
sort of a mucousy liquid, and sometimes they are pretty frequent.
She has not vomited, and does not seem to be ill. All vacs are
current (although I am learning that many of the recommended shots
may not be needed, hooray!) She often had soft stools on kibble,
too -- Wellness fish and sweet potato, although it was suggested that
I feed her Purina One, yuck. A fecal came back positive for worms
(round and I forget what other kind.) She has been treated for that,
so should be parasite-free.

The odd thing is, the loose stools do not seem to be changed by
feeding more or less bone (chicken breast quarter, as opposed to leg,
which seems bonier to me.) I have found tiny bone fragments in the
stools, and even the runniest ones are, as promised, getting flaky
and rapidly disintigrating.

I am not so much afraid for her health at this point as I am for my
sanity. Some nights she is fine, others she wakes me every couple of
hours to go out. Housebreaking this girl has not been a picnic by
any means, and this is NOT helping. It seems that she will go and go
and pass mostly mucous, then one more substantial, yet still runny,
stool, and then be okay for a while. If she showed any signs of
discomfort, I would suspect she was struggling to pass bone, but she
doesn't.

Is this a normal period of adjustment that will correct itself? If
so, how long, at worst, can it be expected to last? Also, would
Slippery Elm help? I have some, but it is in capsule form, not the
whole herb, which was sold out. If so, how do I use it? Should I
increase bone? Increase meat? Or should I try smaller, more
frequent meals? She is currently getting about one chicken quarter a
day, divided into two meals. The few days, she would eat a quarter
all at once, and then more for the smaller second meal, but has
slowed down a bit since then. (Maybe she knows real food isn't just
a one-time thing, now...) Could it be that she is the odd dog that
just can't tolerate chicken?

I have studied so much about this way of feeding, and feel strongly
that it is the right thing to do. I have learned a lot about raw
feeding by reading this list and the wonderful links suggested here,
but I feel like an idiot right now, for being stymied by such a basic
question... It just seems like there are so many variables to
consider, whilst I tear out my hair trying to FIX this.

Maybe this is some sort of cosmic lesson to me about the difference
between theoretical knowledge and experience. Bleah.

Any help would be appreciated.

Wendy (frustrated, but not panicked, and definitely breathing
regularly ;) )

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13b. Re: Puzzled by duration of loose stools
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 11:46 am ((PST))

Ok, my first plan of attack would be to break the same amount of food
to three meals a day. Second would be to try taking the skin off the
chicken and see if that helps (since you already tried feeding more
bone with no luck). I'd also take a stool sample into the vet for
another check. When I adopted Geiger the vet said he had some kind
of worm or another and gave him medicine for it. After he had taken
all the medicine he still had pretty liquid stools and a second stool
check revealed that he had coccidia. After being treated for that
one his stools firmed right up.

When my newest pup found us he tested positive for worms as well.
Instead of using the vet's worming medicine I gave him food grade
diatomaceous earth in his food for about a month. His symptoms went
away in about a week and never returned.

If those don't work I'd switch to a different protein. Hope that
helps a little. Let us know how things go.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mozookpr" <mozookpr@...> wrote:

> My concern at this point is Sophie. She is a Sheltie, coming up on
> 5 months old. She eats her meals with great gusto, two a day, and
> the amount of intake is right on target for her estimated adult
> weight. She is still getting chicken only, although she did mooch
> a sardine last night. Her stools are still very loose, some are
> nothing but sort of a mucousy liquid, and sometimes they are pretty
> frequent.

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