[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12367

There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: What to do with pork shoulder
From: Giselle

2a. Re: not working yet - OT -- Sorry!
From: Giselle

3a. Re: Undigested chicken bones
From: Chia

4. Grinders
From: Fay

5. 2nd type of 'Agression"
From: Debi C

6. strange habits of my dobes
From: arabianbluedobe

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1a. Re: What to do with pork shoulder
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:13 am ((PST))

Hi, Karen!
Cutting up an animal part really doesn't require much
knowledge, you just need a sharp knife, heavy kitchen shears, a sturdy
cutting board and a damp towel. Oh, and a box of gallon sized plastic bags
(I like the zippy ones).

Decide how many portions you want to get from the part you are portioning.
If you can eyeball a day's portion, then you're ok, it doesn't need to be
perfect. If you can't, you could visualize 4 oz beef patties, stacked up
into your dog's meal sized portion.

IMO, if your dog is experienced in eating all the proteins you've listed, he
could very well go to one meal a day, np. You could also start working into
alternately feeding him 2 days worth of food (meatless or with bone) one
day, then a tiny snack meal or edible bone the next.

The damp towel goes under the cutting board, to keep it from slipping. ^_^
You might also want to use dish washing gloves, or cheap cotton work gloves
for the same reason.

This link shows the pork shoulder cut;
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts_photos/pork.pdf
This link shows where the bone is and what it looks like in the shoulder
cut;
http://homecooking.about.com/od/porkrecipes/ss/deboneporksbs_4.htm

Once you have identified where the bone is, and have cut it out, then you
can cut off large collops of the shoulder, in meal sized hunks. I'd feed the
bone separately, whenever I wanted to provide my dog with some quality bliss
time.

If you have the shoulder picnic roast, then there are two bones, you can cut
them both out and release the connecting tendons and get two bones to feed
separately. You can figure out if there is two bones, because the joint will
bend when you grip one end, press down near the center of the roast and move
it.

You might want to factor in adding to each meal, say, additionally purchased
whole pork neck bones, or even chicken leg quarters or backs, if your dog
does better with bone in most meals. I'd prepackage these items together in
the baggies, either one meal, or one day or a few days of food at a time.

HTH
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Dec 11, 2007 11:21 PM, johnsonkp200 <sunfiretervs@comcast.net> wrote:

> Okay long timers...
> Newbie here whose dog is eating chicken parts, beef parts and pork
> parts, plus gizzards, hearts,livers, eggs and salmon.
> I still am having trouble knowing how to cut up and dole out the
> portions.
>
> Today I bought a 9 pound pork picnic shoulder, bone in. I have a 50 lb
> dog. Now, how do I serve it? I feed him 2x a day. Many say just give it
> to the dog whole. Isn't 9 pounds a bit too much for a meal? I don't
> relish the idea of putting it back in the fridge over and over - after
> all, how do I know how long to leave it with him, and how would I
> monitor how much he ate at a sitting? Besides, it's not free and I will
> take no pleasure in him gorging himself and pooping it right out in a
> loose stool. Not my idea of a good investment, if you know what I mean.
> I await your economical advice. Thanks.
>
> Karen
>
>
>

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2a. Re: not working yet - OT -- Sorry!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:17 am ((PST))

Hi, Sheila!
Here ya go;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/?yguid=200913350

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Dec 12, 2007 6:23 AM, sheila <schatzee@comporium.net> wrote:

> can you give me the link to raw chat? sheila
>
>
>

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3a. Re: Undigested chicken bones
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:39 am ((PST))

I'm very happy with the general results of feeding raw my white
shepherd and my miniature pinscher for three weeks. But lately I've
seen several pieces of undigested chicken bones in the shepherd's
poo. And they look very sharp and splintery! Should I get worried?
Ivanir Calado, Brazil.

#### not to worry this is totally normal and will eventually stop after a
month or two. However, sometimes when new sources are introduced you may
see this on occasion. I used to semi-regularly notice this is in my boy in
the beginning but it has been years since then. I know they look scary
though!

Those intestinal walls are TOUGH... a little bone shard nested in poop
will do no harm.

Chia & Ricco

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4. Grinders
Posted by: "Fay" agilecairns@aol.com cadaidh
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:56 am ((PST))

I have recently adopted a dog who has only a few teeth left. Is there a
recommended grinder that will handle chicken bones,etc?

Thanks,

Fay

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5. 2nd type of 'Agression"
Posted by: "Debi C" dcole6@satx.rr.com scarlet_debi
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:17 am ((PST))

I have always had 'Agressive' breeds of dogs. Everything from Amer
Staffordshire Terriers, GSDs, a Pit/SharPei, to Rat and Jack Russells

I grew up on a farm with dogs who ate raw when they got it. My two
JRTs will hunt and kill little furry things and scaled things.

People are always telling me that feeding raw will make a dog
agressive. I think it just makes them feel better and they want to do
more.

Has anyone else heard this. I don't believe its true, but what's the
concensus here.

Debi, 2 Jacks and 1 App
If you can't keep up with the little white dogs, stay on the porch!

myspace.com/miz_debi

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6. strange habits of my dobes
Posted by: "arabianbluedobe" arabianbluedobe@yahoo.com arabianbluedobe
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:17 am ((PST))

I have 1 dobe who won't eat chicken or turkey. But she loves venison.
My others love chicken, but look at me like I am crazy when I give
venison. One doesn't like heart. None like liver. Is it just taste
preference or is it because they are new to thediet. I haven't been
searing and I don't want to start. I just take the fod away and give
back at a later date.
April

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