[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12334

There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Seasoned pork
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: Bad Pork??
From: Morledzep@aol.com

3a. Dinky update
From: Cathy Richmond
3b. Re: Dinky update
From: Giselle

4a. Re: High Volume Treats
From: Cdandp2@aol.com
4b. Re: High Volume Treats
From: katkellm
4c. Re: High Volume Treats
From: carnesbill
4d. Re: High Volume Treats
From: Laura Wimpey

5a. Re: Need to wash the scraps from butcher?
From: Cdandp2@aol.com
5b. Re: Need to wash the scraps from butcher?
From: katkellm
5c. Re: Need to wash the scraps from butcher?
From: carnesbill

6a. Re: Mixing veggies with meat
From: Evie

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1a. Re: Seasoned pork
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:16 am ((PST))

In a message dated 11/29/2007 7:08:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mtinder@tinderco.com writes:

For stuff like this, are we wearing gloves? I've not so far but just
wonder how more experienced raw feeders "handle" it. I'm really
getting to be quite the cave woman, breaking up a carcass with my bare
hands. A good soap and water washing should do right? I don't bring
it into the kitchen so no worries there.

Mary,

i've never worn gloves for working with wolf chow. And i DO cut up the meat
(what little i actually do) in the kitchen.. just basic cleaning is more than
is necessary.. wash your hands, wipe the counters and sink with water and/or
vinegar.

no big deal.

And, when meat is stinky, or slimey i make my hubby feed the dogs..
Catherine R.

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2a. Re: Bad Pork??
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:16 am ((PST))

For dogs is there such a thing as Bad Pork? How long does pork last in the
fridge before it >becomes unhealthy for the dogs? I know that they love really
ripe beef, but still being >rather new to this, I was wondering if it is ok
to feed pork that is no longer fit for human >consumption?

Tracy,

my hubby's gauge to tell if the meat is ok to feed the dogs is, if he can
handle it and not toss his cookies it's safe for the dogs...

Catherine R.

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3a. Dinky update
Posted by: "Cathy Richmond" batcathy@sbcglobal.net batcathy2002
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:19 am ((PST))

She asked to eat late last night-so I gave her ground with SE
followed with the Bifi and she seems better this am...have another
call to another vet also to see about bloodwork/testing....hopefully
we can get to the bottom of this soon. She is actually playing with
the rest of the gang.
May I have permission to post an album? It is easier to show her name
than to explain :-))))
As a side note- when i feed the chicken backs they always have
additional meat and I do take off fat & skin. I have a grocer here
who orders meat for me by the case so when i get backs i also order a
case of 1 lb turkey rolls which I divide with 8 dogs than give them a
chew.
He can get me the leg quaters,necks turkey ect....price varies from
$20-$40 for a 40 lb box.
Good News- my new girl had horrible skin, felt greasy & had an awful
odor coming from her pores...i kept her on what her breeder had her
on as we co-own her & she was addiment- tough- she has been raw over
a week & her skin improved in 48 hours. Last night I cuddeled her
without the urge to barf!! She's not sure how to hold it yet but is
figuring it out!! Thankyou again to everyone....I knew things were
just not right-just not sure where to turn.
Cathy & the Lesmars gang

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3b. Re: Dinky update
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:57 am ((PST))

Hi, Cathy!
KEWL!

I'd love to see pics of all your kiddies!

Not necessary to remove all the fat and skin for all the littles, just the
one(s) who have problems digesting it. Fat, bone, skin and all the parts
that make up a critter, as well as meat, is GOOD for all dogs. The diets of
the ones with problems we just have to tweak a little. Whole prey is our
model, and ultimate goal, so the more variety of parts and protein, the
better. Slowly and gradually introduced, of course. ^_^

Wonderful news about the improvement of your new little with the odor and
greasy skin problems. The co-owner will love her appearance, and will surely
take credit for breeding a healthy dog! You might want to get her tested for
hypothyroidism - those are classic signs. Thyroid replacement is cheap and
easy to dose, and is pretty much side effect free. (ime) Matter of fact,
there are lots of symptoms that can be attributed to hypothyroidism, you'll
be amazed. You'll want to get her blood work drawn by a vet and sent to Dr
Jean Dodds - she is 'The' go-to specialist in diagnosing hypothyroidism.
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/diagnostic_testing.htm
http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/HEMOPET.HTM
http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/DODDS-RESUME.HTM
There's lots of great info on those sites, and this is Dr Dodds' site;
http://www.hemopet.com/

TC and keep us posted on their progress!
Giselle

On Nov 30, 2007 7:14 AM, Cathy Richmond <batcathy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> She asked to eat late last night-so I gave her ground with SE
> followed with the Bifi and she seems better this am...have another
> call to another vet also to see about blood work/testing....hopefully
> we can get to the bottom of this soon. She is actually playing with
> the rest of the gang.
> <snip>
> Good News- my new girl had horrible skin, felt greasy & had an awful
> odor coming from her pores...i kept her on what her breeder had her
> on as we co-own her & she was adamant- tough- she has been raw over
> a week & her skin improved in 48 hours. Last night I cuddled her
> without the urge to barf!! She's not sure how to hold it yet but is
> figuring it out!! Thank you again to everyone....I knew things were
> just not right-just not sure where to turn.
> Cathy & the Lesmars gang
>
>
>

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4a. Re: High Volume Treats
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:26 am ((PST))

Bill Jack?? Please would you check the ingredients on the box? I thought
they were loaded with grains and sugars? Wouldn't that kind of defeat the
notion of the prey model?

I'm still kind of new at this, so guidance would be appreciated.

Carol

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4b. Re: High Volume Treats
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cdandp2@... wrote:
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> Bill Jack?? Please would you check the ingredients on the box?

Hi Carol,
Provided that a dog doesn't have an allergy or illness or some such
affliction where NONE is the word and provided that they don't take up
space in the "real" portion of food, i forget how many bites Bill got
to a treat, but it was lots, there is, imo, nothing wrong with a treat
of almost any kind be it dog, veggie, or fruit. JMO, KathyM

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4c. Re: High Volume Treats
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:40 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cdandp2@... wrote:
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> Bill Jack?? Please would you check the ingredients on the box?
> I thought they were loaded with grains and sugars? Wouldn't
> that kind of defeat the notion of the prey model?

Yes they are and no it doesn't. Even for high volume trainers,
training treats make up only a very small amount of the diet. That
small amount doesn't matter.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4d. Re: High Volume Treats
Posted by: "Laura Wimpey" laura.wimpey@yahoo.com laura.wimpey
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:40 am ((PST))

>I'm wondering about what to use for treats.

I'm not a do-it-yourself'er' in this department. If you are in that camp and don't mind paying for it - haretodaygonetomorrow has a good selection of dehydrated organs and dehydrated ground/non ground meats. They've got a dehydrated goat that my kids think is over the moon. Rabbit too. And tounges (sp)...livers...spleens...just about any raw meat dyhrated if you ask I bet.

but anything you can do yourself that doesn't have a lot of cost is always a little better

Laura W.

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5a. Re: Need to wash the scraps from butcher?
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:26 am ((PST))

I add some apple cider vinegar or hygrogen peroxide to the "bath" water then
rinse well if the meat is "iffy." I just attended a raw feeding workshop
and the woman there was adamant about not offering "off" meats, especially to
compromised (elderly, sick, allergy-prone, etc) dogs. Seems this group takes
a different stand on that? I'm kind of in-between at this point and still
learning.

Carol

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5b. Re: Need to wash the scraps from butcher?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:40 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cdandp2@... wrote:
> I just attended a raw feeding workshop
> and the woman there was adamant about not offering "off" meats,
especially to
> compromised (elderly, sick, allergy-prone, etc) dogs. Seems this
group takes
> a different stand on that?

Hi Carol,

Who sponsored the workshop? Never heard of one before, but there are
certainly tons of things that i never heard of. :) My opinion would be
that there is no such thing as "off" meats to a healthy dog. Off
meats is a human term, used to describe how people perceive the meat,
not a carnivore's term. People see the smell as awful, not the dog.
People think the meat looks gross, not the dog. What may pose a human
health risk factor poses no threat to the short, fast moving, acidic
digestive tract of a carnivore. Feeding meat to a dog that people
shouldn't eat falls into, i suppose, a know thy self thing. KathyM

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5c. Re: Need to wash the scraps from butcher?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:40 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cdandp2@... wrote:
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> I add some apple cider vinegar or hygrogen peroxide to the
> "bath" water then rinse well if the meat is "iffy."

Dog's stomach juices are stronger than either of those and they take
care of the "bathing" much better anyway.

> I just attended a raw feeding workshop
> and the woman there was adamant about not offering "off"
> meats, especially to
> compromised (elderly, sick, allergy-prone, etc) dogs.

I MIGHT be a little more careful what I fed a dog who was both
elderly and sick but allergies have nothing to do with bacteria.

You, like many people, judge dogs on human standards. They live in
an entirely different world.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6a. Re: Mixing veggies with meat
Posted by: "Evie" archie.willow@yahoo.co.uk archie.willow
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:54 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
> Carrots mostly being sugar and this is one of those item that
diabetic dog cannot eat since most of nutrient is sugar.
> yassy
>

Getting off topic here; but felt I needed to comment. Carrots don't
contain sugar. I'm diabetic and they don't contain any carbohydrates
to be counted into my diet. HTH.

For what it's worth: I don't feed my dogs any veg, apart from the odd
bit that gets left over from the human dinners in the house perhaps
once in a blue moon. They don't need the veg. ;o)
Engaging hunks of meat containing bone are the way to go with a little
organ thrown in occasionally for good measure is how I like to do it.

Evie

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