[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12331

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Dinky
From: Sandee Lee
1b. Re: Dinky
From: katkellm
1c. Re: Dinky
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
1d. Re: Dinky
From: Giselle
1e. Re: Dinky
From: Sandee Lee
1f. Re: Dinky
From: Giselle

2a. will too much bone cause the runs?
From: carnesbill
2b. Re: will too much bone cause the runs?
From: Giselle

3a. Starving to death...
From: jackie
3b. Re: Starving to death...
From: Andrea

4a. Re: Seasoned pork
From: carnesbill
4b. Re: Seasoned pork
From: Mary Tinder
4c. Re: Seasoned pork
From: Morledzep@aol.com

5a. Re: Sheep processing
From: katkellm

6. New to group - hello!
From: Lisa Harmon

7a. what should i buy
From: tiffany.contempopainting
7b. Re: what should i buy
From: Laurie Swanson

8a. Mixing veggies with meat
From: lolaspony
8b. Re: Mixing veggies with meat
From: Sandee Lee
8c. Re: Mixing veggies with meat
From: Maria

9a. Anal Glands
From: paula.0666
9b. Re: Anal Glands
From: MORGAN LEWIS
9c. Re: Anal Glands
From: Yasuko herron

10a. Better than kibble....
From: mozookpr

11. High Volume Treats
From: Treulich, Sarah

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1a. Re: Dinky
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:01 pm ((PST))

Cathy,

I wouldn't be feeding backs at this point. Possibly bone-in chicken breast.
Stick to meaty small meals with little fat, little (if any) bone. Did you
ever get any pancreatic or good digestive enzymes?

If this were my dog, I'd get her to the vet for bloodwork.

BTW, I think I mentioned this previously...Flagyl is nasty stuff with tons
of side effects. Without knowing what's wrong, I'm not certain about using
any of those drugs. You really need to get a diagnosis on this kid!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Cathy Richmond" <batcathy@sbcglobal.net>

I am in tears again- Dink is 1 week into chicken (& turkey - she has
had many times).....meat twice a day... next day a bit of meat &
bone...smaller portions. She ate very slight last night & nothing this
am........I was watching as she was laying more than usual....runs i
expected. About an hour ago she started her pacing & hunched over and
just now started to cry again. Her gut hurts and this is the same as
every relapse. She has had nothing but the meat & bone....I am at a
loss as to what to think.
I have her Albon & Flagil on hand- I will have to give her to get her
over this hump or she will worsen. I dont know where to turn now.

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1b. Re: Dinky
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:39 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Cathy Richmond" <batcathy@...> wrote:
She was
> eating ground turkey -the chicken was for the bone(a back)with
> additional ground meat.

Hi Cathy,
Sorry to hear that Dinky is having another bout with a sick tummy. I
think along with ditching the backs, it might be helpful to not feed
any ground meat. Maybe just a little bone in chicken breast to add a
smidgen of bone and smaller meals of boneless chicken breast-hunks of
meat, not ground meat. KathyM

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1c. Re: Dinky
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:31 pm ((PST))

Cathy,
How long has she been on raw altogether?
If she tolerates ground meat, of any kind, go to that for however long it takes to get her back on track. She doesn't have to have bone, all the time. :Bone is only supposed to be 10% of her entire diet, and if she is having a problem back off the bone for a time. She can survive on just meat:) Really. And let her survive, and get healthy on what she can tolerate, and then introduce some bone back in. What was her stable protein before you went to the chicken?

How did you start her on raw? Prey model or Barf? A little info goes a long ways. Most dogs can tolerate chicken best. The medicine she is on can cause stomach problems and could be the problem too. Why is she on those? There are natural ways to help her thru this without drugs, it may take a little bit of time, like a day or two, but it can be done. You can use the Seacure, which is a powder, added to ground meat, a little scoup should help, at each feeding. Also the herbal remedy of slippery elm, in powder form, settles the stomach, and helps with calming the digestion pretty fast, only it's pricy, at some places, but easily available, unlike the seacure. You can find Seacure at high end animal places. Slippery elm can be used in the ground food too, a small teaspoon at each meal.

And make the ground food, just meat, no veggies or fruit, that can tax the system too much right now. And some fruits and veggies can cause runny stools, and we don't want that either. Also too much bone can do the same.

When you give dogs chicken backs, pardon me for saying this, and I learned it the hard way too, so I can say it, there isn't enough meat on them to be a meal, so you can have these kinds of problems. Having runny stools makes for a very uncomfortable animal. But giving her something substantial should help her come out of it. Think meat, and keep it that way for a week or two, and if you have a meat grinder, you can grind up small chickens and that way the meat to bone ratio isn't bad and she still gets her bones, without causeing the upset. But you don't have to for at least a week, I would think.

I hope that helps you out. And don't cry, you and she will be fine. Really:)

jeni

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1d. Re: Dinky
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:10 pm ((PST))

Hi, Cathy!
Sometimes you have to soothe the gut irritation long term
before you can even think about feeding variety and 'regular' meals.

I would fast her for a couple meals or a day and offer her plenty of low
sodium, low fat broth. If you whisk in some Slippery Elm Bark Powder, this
can help soothe her digestive distress.
http://fiascofarm.com/herbs/supplements.htm
You also can get loose or caps of SEBP at health food stores.

Also, I'd retreat to a simpler diet - feed only one protein, no supps or
grains or veggies. Feed the protein that she has had the best results from,
or the least discomfort. Don't feed ground. Trim visible fat and skin. If
you're feeding chicken or turkey, cut out the bone for now, but leave the
white ends of the bones for her to eat. This is the cartilage and is soft
and easily digested. The gristle alone can satisfy a tiny dog's 10-15%
percent of bone thats needed in the diet. Ribbon the meat if she has missing
teeth, so she has places to grab onto.

Feed smaller, but more frequent meals, 3 - 5 a day. You can sprinkle the
SEBP on the meat, or roll the meat in it.

This little dog may have IBD/IBS and need to have her diet tweaked for her
special needs. I wouldn't add antibiotics if there isn't a strong indication
that they are actually needed. You may want to consider giving her digestive
enzymes or probiotics for awhile;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/138875
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestive_enzyme#Pancreatic_enzymes

Lastly, chicken and other meats can be enhanced with injected salt or
'broth' solutions or flavorings/seasonings or 'marinade'. Some dogs get
itchy, some dogs vomit, some dogs have loose stools or diarrhea when they
eat meats with these products added. Check out the labels, including the
fine print, before buying to be sure that Dinky isn't getting them.

HTH

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Nov 29, 2007 1:49 PM, Cathy Richmond <batcathy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I am in tears again- Dink is 1 week into chicken (& turkey - she has
> had many times).....meat twice a day... next day a bit of meat &
> bone...smaller portions. She ate very slight last night & nothing this
> am........I was watching as she was laying more than usual....runs i
> expected. About an hour ago she started her pacing & hunched over and
> just now started to cry again. Her gut hurts and this is the same as
> every relapse. She has had nothing but the meat & bone....I am at a
> loss as to what to think.
> I have her Albon & Flagil on hand- I will have to give her to get her
> over this hump or she will worsen. I dont know where to turn now. Is it
> possible she is allergic to chicken?? Can this be a reaction?? She was
> eating ground turkey -the chicken was for the bone(a back)with
> additional ground meat.
> Any help will be appreciated.........still looking for different vet. I
> just cant imagine a canine not being able to eat raw food...it just
> don't seem possible to me....and she has had nothing else...no dairy, no
> egg, no veggie, no grain, no nothing!!!
> Cathy
>
>
>

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1e. Re: Dinky
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:40 pm ((PST))

My worry is pancreatitis...that hunched back, pacing and stomach pain are
classic symptoms.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Giselle" <megan.giselle@gmail.com>
>
> This little dog may have IBD/IBS and need to have her diet tweaked for her
> special needs. I wouldn't add antibiotics if there isn't a strong
indication
> that they are actually needed. You may want to consider giving her
digestive
> enzymes or probiotics for awhile;
> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/138875
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestive_enzyme#Pancreatic_enzymes

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1f. Re: Dinky
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:59 pm ((PST))

Ummm, could be. I have seen those symptoms with IBD, with diarrhea.

In that case, everything I'd suggested would still apply, except Dinky would
need to keep to VERY LEAN meats.

Chronic or acute, if it doesn't subside within a day, a vet visit with IV
fluids and antibiotics would be in order to quell the flare.

TC
Giselle

On Nov 29, 2007 6:40 PM, Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:

> My worry is pancreatitis...that hunched back, pacing and stomach pain
> are
> classic symptoms.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "Giselle" <megan.giselle@gmail.com <megan.giselle%40gmail.com>>
>
> >
> > This little dog may have IBD/IBS and need to have her diet tweaked for
> her
> > special needs. I wouldn't add antibiotics if there isn't a strong
> indication
> > that they are actually needed. You may want to consider giving her
> digestive
> > enzymes or probiotics for awhile;
> > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/138875
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestive_enzyme#Pancreatic_enzymes
>
>
>
>

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2a. will too much bone cause the runs?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:39 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, recyclerat@... wrote:
>
> i've since STOPPED giving the oats and vegetables - and have
> only been feeding chickens and fish...and he seems to be doing
> SO much better...

Great, if it were me, I'd hold off of fish for a few more weeks
also. I would feed chicken only at least for two weeks. The secret
here is to go SLOWLY. Don't worry at this point about putting
weight on him. I know he is skinny and looks miserable but let's
solve one problem at a time. Right now, the problem is digestion.
You seem to be winning that battle. Don't jepordize by moving too
fast. Once his digestion normalizes, weight will come automatically.

> he seems so very HUNGRY, that i'm having to keep myself from
> over feeding him, i dont want to make the diarreah return..
>but its so hard to see him so thin like this and NOT over
> feed him...

I know, be tough. You can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

> do you think it is safe for me to give tripe
> (ewwwwwwwwwwww.) while his insides are in such a tender state?

It probably is but I don't see a pressing reason to. You have been
seeing progress for a couple of days and now you want to do
something different. When you are seeing progress keep doing
exactly what you have been doing, don't be in a hurry to change
thing.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2b. Re: will too much bone cause the runs?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:47 pm ((PST))

Hi, Heather!
I'm glad he's doing better, sometimes you have to stop the
vicious cycle of irritated gut = bad poops = irritated gut = bad poops,
etc., before you can get on the right track.

Glad, too, that you ditched the grain and veggies! These are the major
causes of food sensitivities, I don't know why meat is always blamed first.

To put weight on him, add more meals, not more food at each meal. If you're
feeding him 2x a day, add another meal, and feed 3x a day. After a few days
to a week, you might even be able to add a 4th meal. Spread these out over
the day, several hours apart for each would be ideal. That will allow him to
take in more food without overtaxing his digestion at any one mealtime. You
can also add bits and pieces of fattier meats to what you are feeding. A
tiny piece of tongue, or you can add a bit of heart or pork. Just make it a
little blob added to his regular meal, 1x a day, and wait 'n see if he
tolerates it. If so, add the same amount of 'extra' to 2 meals, then 3
meals. Gradually increase the amount of the fattier meat and decrease the
chicken or fish. If you do this very slowly and gradually, you should be
able to see when he has reached his tolerance, and maintain, or back off
that amount.

Weight gain should be slow and controlled. If you do it the way I've
recommended, he should be able to gain weight and not have bowel distress.
If he doesn't tolerate visible fat, continue to trim it.

SEBP can be sprinkled onto, or the meat rolled in the powder, whenever you
need to do this for his digestive comfort.

Tripe should be OK to add, but in bitty amounts to his regular meals. I'd
start with only 1x a day. You want to minimize any changes or additions to
his diet, as change in any large amounts may affect him adversely. Tripe is
not a magical meat, by any means, it is high in water content, low in fat,
but not particularly high in protein or vitamins, etc. Its mostly great
because its stinky and dogs love it!
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

You can use the above link to check out any protein or body part, just
specify raw *whatever*, and choose the appropriate category, or you'll end
up with bunches of stuff to weed out.

Keep us updated!

TC
Giselle

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>
>
> I did as Giselle instructed (in an email written to someone else with a
> similar issue) and fasted him for a day, only giving bits of raw chicken
> with the
> herbal for his gut (slippery elm)... the day without the oats and veg's,
> with only the meat and the supp. really seemed to help him..and by the
> next
> morning i could just tell he was feeling better..he'd made it thru the
> night
> without waking me to let him out to spray the yard with liquid poop - and
> when he had his BM that morning, while LOOSE, it was NOT the misting spray
> that
> it was(that shot out with the force of water coming out a fire hose)...so
> I've since STOPPED giving the oats and vegetables - and have only been
> feeding
> chickens and fish...and he seems to be doing SO much better...
> he seems so very HUNGRY, that I'm having to keep myself from over feeding
> him, I don't want to make the diarrhea return..but its so hard to see him
> so
> thin like this and NOT over feed him...
>
>
> do you think it is safe for me to give tripe (ewwwwwwwwwwww.) while his
> insides are in such a tender state? I don't want to bring on the trots
> again.
> but I DO want him to bulk up!
>
> .heather.
> .frank.
> .chi-chi.
>
>

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3a. Starving to death...
Posted by: "jackie" jackiehale1@bellsouth.net jackieoscar2000
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:39 pm ((PST))

I have been feeding my dogs raw since May this year. They look great,
but they act like they are starving to death! I mean, to the point of
stealing things off the counters, out of the trash, etc.
They have lost weight, which they all needed to do and I have increased
their amounts to offset any more weight loss, but darn! My husband is
starting to accuse me of starving them...just kidding me actually.
Just curious. Any observations?
Thanks,
Jackie Hale

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3b. Re: Starving to death...
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:49 pm ((PST))

My puppy is pretty food obsessed as well, but he's nothing compared to
how bad Geiger used to be. I couldn't go anywhere near the freezer
without him turning cartwheels and begging to be fed. Geiger finally
calmed down about food when I started feeding him big meals. I think
actually feeling "full" for the first time is what did it. You might
want to work up to big meals and see if that helps them. By big meals
and big food I mean feed big one day followed by little or no meal the
next day.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jackie" <jackiehale1@...> wrote:
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> I have been feeding my dogs raw since May this year. They look
> great, but they act like they are starving to death!

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4a. Re: Seasoned pork
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:39 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Tinder" <mtinder@...> wrote:
>
> I'm giggling. I feel like I struck gold! Never thought this
> would be so much FUN!

That would be my reaction also. :) I beg my grocer for stuff like
that and he won't sell me any.

> But wonder a bit about the those pork roasts. Bag is
> puffy.

I would feed it. I have fed some VERY raunchy smelling meat before
will no ill effects.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4b. Re: Seasoned pork
Posted by: "Mary Tinder" mtinder@tinderco.com mmmaryt
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:16 pm ((PST))

Rinsing sounds like a really good option. Thanks Kathy!
Mary T
> My neighbor gave me 3 pork roasts in a bag that were marinated with
> something like herb and garlic that had expired. Though i never would
> buy them, i rinsed them off, realizing that if they were injected ..

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4c. Re: Seasoned pork
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:04 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/29/2007 10:10:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mtinder@tinderco.com writes:

But wonder a bit about the those pork roasts. Bag is
puffy.

Mary,

i think even for $.20 lb i would toss these.. while you can rinse off the
marinade on the outside those things are also injected with the marinade into the
meat and you can't wash that out.

if you feel you need to use it because you bought it, then rinse it the best
you can, cook it, and then cube it and use it for training treats.

Catherine R.

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5a. Re: Sheep processing
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:15 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Lori Leonhardt <lorileonhardt@...>
wrote:
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> I am getting 3 Ewes and 5 lambs that were hit by a car today. I am
meeting the guy at the processer and need to know what to tell them
about processing.

Hi Lori,
I'm going to assume the lambs are little and so, i would freeze them
unprocessed at all and let your dogs eat whole prey. If the whole prey
idea doesn't sit well with you at this point in time, i would process
into 1-2lb roast type hunks. I would get a six way cut on the ewes
and ask them to save the heads, legs, and insides except for the
intestines and the bladder for you. KathyM

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6. New to group - hello!
Posted by: "Lisa Harmon" lharmo@LSUHSC.edu lharm0
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:15 pm ((PST))

Hi Everyone!
I'm Lisa and I have 3 German Shepherds,1 Czecky Terrier and in 2
weeks I will be getting a new GSD puppy. I currently show in
competition obedience and the puppy will also be shown in the breed
ring and train for obedience too.

My old boy is 13 and healthy. My 2 female shepherds both have hip
dysplasia, and the terrier has some skin problems that I assume may
be food related.

I have previously fed Purina Dog Chow (I know now - UGH!), than
started learning more so I have recently switched to Solid Gold
without byproducts, etc. I am on a German Shepherd list that have
really influenced me towards feeding raw. I am pretty convinced this
is what I want to do, especially after the puppy comes.

I am looking to buy a freezer before I actually get going on this due
to the number of dogs that I have. Once I get that, I plan to switch.
I am looking forward to learning alot from this group and plan to
review the archives.

So thanks for having me here and have a great day!
Lisa in Louisiana

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7a. what should i buy
Posted by: "tiffany.contempopainting" tiffcurran@gmail.com tiffany.contempopainting
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:15 pm ((PST))

Hi thanks everyone for the help so far. My dogs have started chicken and I will keep them on that for a while but have realized that my local market doesn't have much variety (chicken turkey) I'm going to a Hispanic market this weekend what should I look for. Eventually we'll need organs and stuff what consitutes organs. Sorry but still new at this.
Tiffany

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7b. Re: what should i buy
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:08 pm ((PST))

Hi Tiffany,

You should also be able to get beef, pork, lamb, and fish at most
grocery stores (though not necessarily cheap...). Any meat you can
afford is great. They may have rabbit, goat, and duck at the
Hispanic market (although I haven't found a good Hispanic market with
much meat variety yet--I have better luck in Asian markets), in
addition to the usuals... They should also have much more variety in
organs (may have spleen, kidney, liver, heart from various animals).
It's probably easier to tell what NOT to buy. Try not to get things
cut into small pieces, like pork necks (I get big ones and they're
great.)--these are sometimes at the Asian or Hispanic markets. No
goat cut up into small chunks, either. Basically, no bones cut into
small pieces. Don't get tripe--it will have been bleached and I
think cooked, and is worthless. Look for any boneless or bone-in
meat that is good. Keeping in mind, beef bones are inedible/tooth-
breakers. Just remove those bones when they're cleaned off if you
feed them.

Do you have any other specific questions?

Laurie

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8a. Mixing veggies with meat
Posted by: "lolaspony" lolaspony@yahoo.com lolaspony
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:08 pm ((PST))

Hello, everyone.
I'll be the first to admit that I need to read up more on raw feeding,
(I'm new to all of this--and a vegetarian myself!) but I thought that
it was advised to mix pureed raw veggies with the raw meat. Is this
wrong? I've been giving my dog a mixture of raw meat (ground meat,
chicken backs, etc.) with pureed raw veggies (usually carrots,
broccoli, celery), and flaxseed oil, nutritional yeast, and sometimes
raw egg.

I also wonder if I'm giving him the right amount of food. He's 25
pounds, 10 1/2 months and a terrier mix. Any thoughts about
calculating the right amount of food?

I welcome your feedback.

Thanks,
Kathleen

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8b. Re: Mixing veggies with meat
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:13 pm ((PST))

Hi Kathleen,

Dogs, as carnivores, are designed to eat meat, bones and organs...their
normal prey does not include veggies! Best way to feed is nice large meaty
portions of food that will exercise jaw and clean teeth by ripping, tearing,
crunching. No need for ground food, veggies or the supplements, backs are
OK if you are adding lots of meat, eggs are great! If you see a need to
supplement with an oil, stick to fish or salmon oil.

A good starting point is 2-3% of the dog's ideal adult weight per day.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "lolaspony" <lolaspony@yahoo.com>
I'll be the first to admit that I need to read up more on raw feeding,
(I'm new to all of this--and a vegetarian myself!) but I thought that
it was advised to mix pureed raw veggies with the raw meat. Is this
wrong? I've been giving my dog a mixture of raw meat (ground meat,
chicken backs, etc.) with pureed raw veggies (usually carrots,
broccoli, celery), and flaxseed oil, nutritional yeast, and sometimes
raw egg.

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8c. Re: Mixing veggies with meat
Posted by: "Maria" plava_93@yahoo.com plava_93
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:04 pm ((PST))

The ammount to feed varies but here are some numbers you can base it
on.
www.raw4dogs.com/calculate.htm
Veggies aren't needed at all, they are OK as a treat but it really
doesn't do dogs any good. And ground food depletes the dental
cleaning value of raw. He needs bones.

Maria

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lolaspony" <lolaspony@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello, everyone.
> I'll be the first to admit that I need to read up more on raw
feeding,
> (I'm new to all of this--and a vegetarian myself!) but I thought
that
> it was advised to mix pureed raw veggies with the raw meat. Is this
> wrong? I've been giving my dog a mixture of raw meat (ground meat,
> chicken backs, etc.) with pureed raw veggies (usually carrots,
> broccoli, celery), and flaxseed oil, nutritional yeast, and
sometimes
> raw egg.
>
> I also wonder if I'm giving him the right amount of food. He's 25
> pounds, 10 1/2 months and a terrier mix. Any thoughts about
> calculating the right amount of food?
>
>
> I welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks,
> Kathleen
>

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9a. Anal Glands
Posted by: "paula.0666" roogirl@adam.com.au paula.0666
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:10 pm ((PST))

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I've been reading the volume of stools posts with interest because my
mini schnauzer has had ongoing anal gland issues ever since my all-
knowing vet said they should be routinely expressed. In anyone's
experience, does the reduced volume of stools present a problem for
dogs with this problem. My vet's suggestion was to increase kibble and
mix psyllium husk with canned food to produce bigger stools to
naturally clear his glands on the way through. Jasper's issues have
settled recently, will raw feeding help or hinder? I'm still
committing to rawfeeding no matter what, I'm just interested in the
experiences and suggestions of the group far more than what Dr No says!

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9b. Re: Anal Glands
Posted by: "MORGAN LEWIS" shadowland22000@yahoo.com shadowland22000
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:59 pm ((PST))

As my Vet says "It's not hte size of the poop; it's the firmnest of the poop". an a Raw diet is much superior than any kibble formula for compact firm stools. As for routine "expression" of the glands, makes CENTS if you are a VET. Morgan

"paula.0666" <roogirl@adam.com.au> wrote: MODERATORS NOTE:SIGN YOUR MAILS!

I've been reading the volume of stools posts with interest because my
mini schnauzer has had ongoing anal gland issues ever since my all-
knowing vet said they should be routinely expressed. In anyone's
experience, does the reduced volume of stools present a problem for
dogs with this problem. My vet's suggestion was to increase kibble and
mix psyllium husk with canned food to produce bigger stools to
naturally clear his glands on the way through. Jasper's issues have
settled recently, will raw feeding help or hinder? I'm still
committing to rawfeeding no matter what, I'm just interested in the
experiences and suggestions of the group far more than what Dr No says!

Morgan and His Angels
Precious, OFA
Princess, CGC, TDI, GSDCA Health Award

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9c. Re: Anal Glands
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:59 pm ((PST))

>In anyone's experience, does the reduced volume of stools present a problem for
dogs with this problem.

Hi. I think rawfed dog's poo is smaller but harder than kibblefed dog's large mushy poo.
Being poo little harder than kibblefed dog's,dog strains a bit to poo and it helps anal grand prob. By pooing bit harder poo,everytime dog goes poo,he/she is expressing grand little by little and no problems remain.

I do not think volume of poo is the key factor for this prob but hardness is.

>My vet's suggestion was to increase kibble and mix psyllium husk with canned food to produce bigger stools to naturally clear his glands on the way through.

I do not understad this. If poo was large volume,the dog is not digesting wahtever you feed to them and not getting much nutrition out of it. I have heard before that feeding resistant fiber(starch??) such as legumes or some grains clean the colon somewhere although I do not believe it is not in dog's interests.But never heard of kibble feeding clean the grand..
If volume of poo waskey factor to clean the grand,all kibblefed dogs should have no problems in anal grand.

>Jasper's issues have settled recently, will raw feeding help or hinder?

I think,feeding raw food is helping Jasper.

yassy

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10a. Better than kibble....
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:59 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Tinder" <mtinder@...> wrote:
>
> Question about feeding pre-seasoned, in the bag type pork roast...
>
> Not my preferred feed but my friendly neighborhood grocery saved me
> assorted meats that had exceeded the "sell by" date. 20 cents per
> lb. Besides the pork roasts it also included some bare (not
packaged)
> butcher cut meat including PRIME RIB ROAST, looks like pork ribs ,
> prepackaged chicken roasters, turkey wings.
>
> I'm giggling. I feel like I struck gold! Never thought this would
be
> so much FUN! But wonder a bit about the those pork roasts. Bag is
> puffy.
> Mary T
>

Hi, Mary,

It is fun, isn't it? I love a good bargain.

I am so envious! I thought I did well today to get some pork butt
for 99 cents/lb. Got it home and realized it has some sort of
solution added. Also got chicken leg quarters for 39 cents. I am
sure neither is perfect, but....it has to be better than the stuff
that goes into the commercial crap, right? Rinsing is probably a
good idea, but...if you would feel safe eating it, go ahead and feed
it to your dog. Fresh meat that won't kill you won't kill your dog,
either. Meat that is free of all additives is undoubtedly better, as
is organic, but it is all a step up from kibble. I had a hard time
with this, too. I thought to rawfeed right, it needed to all be
organic, free range, etc. Then somoene pointed out to me that the
small amount of meat that ended up in kibble was neither, and
probably a lot worse than ANYTHING I could get at the local grocer's.

You got a deal for your dog? Enjoy, and try not to gloat too much!

;)

Wendy and the kids

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11. High Volume Treats
Posted by: "Treulich, Sarah" sarah@softassociates.com jason_softassociates
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:05 pm ((PST))

Hello. I just switched to raw feeding and I'm wondering about what to
use for treats. I clicker train my dogs and that means using lots of
treats, maybe 50 per session with 6 short sessions a day. When I was
feeding kibble I simply used the kibble as treats, mixed with some
hotdog or turkey. Now I can't do that. I'm looking for something about
the size of a fingernail, or smaller. I was considering using the
hotdogs and turkey pieces by themselves. Any suggestions?

Sarah and Man, Lady and Eros

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