[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12321

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Three pounds/day for 100 lb dog
From: Sai Simonson

2a. Re: First Raw feed mixed reviews
From: mozookpr
2b. Re: First Raw feed mixed reviews
From: groomindiva67

3a. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
From: miensasis
3b. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: raw food compagnies in the USA
From: Michelle R

5a. Processing a duck??
From: miensasis
5b. Re: Processing a duck??
From: Rebecca Little

6a. Re: concerned, no turkey??
From: Michelle R
6b. concerned, no turkey??
From: costrowski75

7. just wanna know i'm not alone
From: darrenlim72

8. Re: New - Intro - dog with possible kidney disease
From: Pundah

9a. Re: 8 Week Old Puppy
From: tdifr62

10a. Re: vomiting chicken
From: costrowski75

11a. multiple dog home-was update pt 1
From: Michelle R
11b. Re: multiple dog home-was update pt 1
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
11c. Re: multiple dog home-was update pt 1
From: cypressbunny

12. My introduction:
From: Ian Flanagan

13. happy stories- reply to Jeni
From: Michelle R

14a. more on turkey wings and reply to Chris
From: Michelle R
14b. Re: more on turkey wings and reply to Chris
From: cypressbunny

15a. Re: First Feeding
From: Giselle

16a. Re: Buying from the source
From: aliciamyan

17. will too much bone cause the runs?
From: recyclerat@aol.com

18a. Re: Update, part II -- I did it!!
From: v_rod_or

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1. Three pounds/day for 100 lb dog
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:44 pm ((PST))

Tina,
Have interesting thing to relate. Took Lexi (100+ lb Borzoi) to the vet
scale today as he had been "telling" me he was starving and please give
him an extra chicken thigh or two. He weighed in at 108 which is
starting to concern me. I have removed all skin from the thighs. Now
he gets the smaller turkey neck and the beef knuckle bone without the
fat. His companion is only 62 lb female Borzoi so she gets the better
stuff now. Lexi has gained 10 pounds since July on the all raw diet. Oh
what to do??? :-)

Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:08 am (PST)
"I would suggest forgetting about Dr. Pitcairn's book altogether.

What you want to feed is a prey model style raw diet which is raw meat, raw
bones covered in raw meat and some raw eggs. Zero fruits and zero veggies.

The standard way to start is to feed 2% to 3% of the dog's ideal adult body
weight. A 100 pound dog would be fed 2 to 3 pounds of raw food a day. Once
you have some experience feeding your dog a raw diet you can adjust the
amount depending on how much your dog actually needs.

You want to feed 80% raw meat, 10% raw bone and 10% organ meat (like liver
or kidney).

No ground anything."

Ditto what Ann said.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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*~~ SaiCzarina*

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2a. Re: First Raw feed mixed reviews
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:44 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "groomindiva67" <redneckdiva@...>
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> Okay I fed my crew tonight there first raw meal.

Monica, me too! I just posted about it, you can find it under the
thread "Scared Silly."

I am in no position to review anyone's first effort, but from what I
can tell from reading, you did fine by just getting started! Keep me
posted, it is good to know someone else who is just starting out on
this path.

Best wishes to you and the Crew,

Wendy and the born-again carnivores... ;)

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2b. Re: First Raw feed mixed reviews
Posted by: "groomindiva67" redneckdiva@sbcglobal.net groomindiva67
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:13 pm ((PST))

> Wendy and the born-again carnivores... ;)
>
I loved this !! born again cornivores. LOL

Glad to see a firstimer too! It scared me also especially with my
daughters hearing dog.

I am going to read you post!!

Monica and The Redneck Crew

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3a. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:14 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Sara Buchanan <judge742@...> wrote:
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> I've had my 4 year old Choc Lab on raw for about a month and her
allergies are worse than ever. She has had no trouble moving to raw but
her skin is so red and bumpy we put her back on pred and atopica. Could
she be allergic to chicken??

Sara...

FWIW, my 2 year old wheaten developed red, itchy, irritated skin on his
forelegs when I started raw. I, too, started with chicken only
(organic, so unenhanced). I chalked it up to the adjustment (or detox
as I've seen some here claim). His poops were mucousy, too. Anyway,
as time went on his skin returned to normal. It is no longer red and
the fur is growing back beautifully. Not sure if what your guy is
experiencing could just be related to the adjustment as I believe was
the case with Riley.

Nancy

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3b. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:54 pm ((PST))

"Sonja" <ladyver@...> wrote:
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>When I can afford it, I'd like to try her on organic chicken to see if
that might make a difference, but until that day, she's stuck with
pork, turkey, and duck.
*****
Other than price and/or convenience, there's nothing wrong with pork
turkey and duck! I'd say those are pretty places to be stuck in,
myself.

If/when you get around to buying organic chicken, you should remember
that soy is likely to be a problem, organic or not organic. While you
are doing your chicken research, consider the chickens' diet. Try to
find some really freerange birds that eat bugs and worms and other meat
protein as well as grass and seeds but not corn and soy, at least not
heavily.
Chris O

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4a. Re: raw food compagnies in the USA
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:14 pm ((PST))

I havent heard anything about this, but then..I dont pay much attention to a whole lot of news. My best guess is that if it is an actual ongoing thing, it would be due to some problem with contamination possibly and it would only concern the premix raw. This would NOT concern regular for human use food, or stuff from slaughterhouses or private hunters, which is what I feed to my kids.

Michelle Radcliff
Mengshi Chinese Cresteds
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5a. Processing a duck??
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:14 pm ((PST))

I'm going to feed my dogs duck for the first time. I've no experience
with duck...LOL. Can I assume it would cut it like I would a
chicken??? Are the bones any more or less dense?

Thanks!

Nancy

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5b. Re: Processing a duck??
Posted by: "Rebecca Little" pbgs@delhitel.net canucme278
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:59 pm ((PST))

My dogs LOVE LOVE LOVE duck. I get duck carcass from Oma's and its a regular here since ducky days are filled with so much excitement!
Rebecca Little
Peakes Brook German Shepherds
http://sites.centralpets.com/mammals/peakesbrookgsd/index.html

----- Original Message -----
From: miensasis
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Processing a duck??

I'm going to feed my dogs duck for the first time. I've no experience
with duck...LOL. Can I assume it would cut it like I would a
chicken??? Are the bones any more or less dense?

Thanks!

Nancy

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6a. Re: concerned, no turkey??
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:26 pm ((PST))

Im curious as to your reasons for not feeding turkey unless its minced or just the necks? Someone else told me today they dont trust feeding turkey wings, but do feed chicken wings...Im not sure what the difference is really??? Anyone else feel this way?

Michelle Radcliff
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6b. concerned, no turkey??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:14 pm ((PST))

Michelle R <crested_dog8@...> wrote:
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> Im curious as to your reasons for not feeding turkey unless its
minced or just the necks? Someone else told me today they dont trust
feeding turkey wings, but do feed chicken wings...Im not sure what the
difference is really??? Anyone else feel this way?
*****
I don't feed separate turkey wings, just as I don't feed separate
chicken wings: too much bone, not enough meat. I feed chicken necks
and hen turkey necks to my cats but not to my dogs; I am not
comfortable feeding any turkey necks to my retrievers but for people
whose dogs are not dunces like mine are, I suspect tom necks are just
fine.

I do feed legs from time to time but I prefer to divvy up whole birds
so that a dog gets either a leg quarter or a wing/breast quarter
(although I trim off some breast meat for the cats).
Chris O

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7. just wanna know i'm not alone
Posted by: "darrenlim72" darrenlim72@yahoo.com darrenlim72
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:26 pm ((PST))

Hi, everyone i'm Darren from Singapore. Just got a standard Poodle,
started him on raw food a week ago. Lots of chicken carcasses & breast
meat. Fergus my poodle loves his new food now. Just wanna know if
anyone of you is from Singapore as well. And if you are any ideas where
i can get cheap good raw food for Fergus. And for u guys out there all
over the world feeding raw, i just wanna say you guys r great ppl.

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8. Re: New - Intro - dog with possible kidney disease
Posted by: "Pundah" Pundah@comcast.net backpocketfarm
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:28 pm ((PST))

Hi everyone,

I'm Tammy in Charleston SC. I have been reading & researching a few weeks now and think I want to try the raw diet. Here's my background.

We have a Pointer mix, Cody, who will be 11 on Dec 1. He has always had some food allergies, not horrific, but gives him runny eyes all the time and occasional ear infections. The main issue now is that he is being diagnosed as pre- or -early kidney disease. So I've read about the recommended Rx kidney diet but am not crazy about all the corn in it. We have more tests to run (the initial diagnosis based solely on urinalysis and I think more is needed) and I've made out my list of questions. We see the regular vet on Weds then an ultrasound next Tuesday. My main question regarding Cody is - I've read from other raw supporters that there can be times when the raw diet is contraindicated, such as when an illness already exists. On the other hand, I've read many cases where the diet helped the illness. I've tried searching the archived messages but dont a specific reply, tho I may have missed it. I certainly dont want to make him worse, and admit to being a bit hypersensitive as we lost our 7-yr old Dane in July.

In addition to Cody we have Bobby Lee, a 9-yr old terrier mix, who has been with us for 7 years and has fortunately been healthy.

We just adopted, but have not yet brought home, a year old fawn Great Dane from rescue. The rescue director is beginning to feed the b**f-model and got me interested in researching. I quickly came upon raw instead, and have shared that info with her just recently. I read with interest that several of you here have Danes and would appreciate any insights you have as well.

I think I've had what seems to be the typical early concerns - bacteria & bones - but have fairly well satisfied myself that those concerns are unjustified if care & common sense is used.

We also own horses and have scads of issues with them that led me to self-awareness & education about how important diet is, everything from metabolic conditions like Cushings to cancers and chronic hoof problems. So I understand that diet is a huge factor. I've just transitioned my horses to a completely no-grain diet, and am ready to tackle the pups now.

I want to chase down these *cautions* I've read about feeding raw to a health-compromised diet, and educate myself to make an informed decision.

I was also curious as to how much on average you spend per week feeding raw.

I'm also a little confused about how to come up with the size portions. I read on one site - I think on the rawfeeding site - something to the effect that how or where the bone is cut can be a factor in splintering? I've tried to be meticulous in making notes and keeping a notebook, b/c there's so much out there and one cant always be sure of the source, but I cant find the reference again. Just how does one go about "cutting" a whole chicken, for example, into the right proportions?

Many thanks in advance, and I look forward to learning more and getting to know you all better.

Tammy

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9a. Re: 8 Week Old Puppy
Posted by: "tdifr62" tdifraia@comcast.net tdifr62
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:31 pm ((PST))

Hi Gerry,
Theres NO Doubt which is better. Brando will begin his switch
tomorrow. Im making the trek to AC's and Im getting a case of the good
stuff. I can not believe how much he craps on k*bble. Im used to
Caesars small hard 2" tootsie rolls. Ive gave Brando a taste of the
duch with a lil tripe, and some beef heart... His tail was proof in
the pudding as to how much he was enjoying it. There really is NO
Comparison. Thanks for the email to get me going, and Geri I know how
busy you are so do not be so hard on yourself about the kibble, but
get back to the good stuff, for Cierras sake. Thanks Again for all the
HELP!
Tommy D

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Geri" <CapeWindMastiff@...> wrote:
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> Hi Tommy,
>
> YOU may have only been feeding Caesar raw since 12 weeks, HE started
> with raw at 3 weeks with me, out of generations of rawfed dogs:-)
> Check your private email for advice of how to get my grandbaby
> switched over to what you normally feed.
>
> Get Brando OFF that k*bble crap ASAP. Hopefully with a bit more
> mentoring Brando's breeder will make the jump to wean to raw.
>
>

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10a. Re: vomiting chicken
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:59 pm ((PST))

"fillermac" <jkffiller@...> wrote:
> Any ideas. Thanks Eileen
*****
Yes. Don't feed her chicken.
I think she's made it perfectly clear that she and chicken don't get
along. Yuk. There are plenty of other meats to feed and there are
other easily eaten bones.

There are worse things by far than a dog that can't eat chicken.
Chris O

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11a. multiple dog home-was update pt 1
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:16 pm ((PST))

hey there, I have many.... (seriously) many dogs and my "main pack" all eat together loose (ranges from 5 to 8, depending on if someones in heat, etc...cuz they get seperated). We go out and sit on the porch and eat frequently(at least once a day). They are a very good little "pack", in that I can say someones name and that one knows its for them and the others also know and wait till their name is called. I have a really super good bunch of kids. Ive just about given up on using bowls at all unless I happen to be doing a ground meal, which is.....not often at all. All I do is give them the pieces of meat and they usually drag them out into the front yard, or sit with me on the porch and eat....when I have soemthing cut into small pieces Im hand feeding, then they all gather around and I just hand out the peices...no fuss, no fighting, no growling. Tonite I had some beef tender loin thawed for them, it came from the butcher pre cut...so it was nice
little chunky pieces I handfed to them. Ive actually been very pleasantly surprised, becuz with the k***le I had tons of growling, choking (from trying to inhale the crap) and fuss.
This raw stuff is so great and so easy and my dogs and I could not be happier with this stuff!

Michelle Radcliff
Mengshi Chinese Cresteds
http://www.geocities.com/crested_dog8/mengshihome.html

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11b. Re: multiple dog home-was update pt 1
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:57 pm ((PST))

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I so love the happy stories, isn't it nice too, that they love it so much, and they know you are the one in charge and you will always give them more so there is no need to argue or get upset? I love this, you're doing a great job! And your pack sounds wonderful too! What a good little pack leader you are! Again, did I say I love it!
Jeni

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From: Michelle R <crested_dog8@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:47:08 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] multiple dog home-was update pt 1

hey there, I have many.... (seriously) many dogs and my "main pack" all eat together loose (ranges from 5 to 8, depending on if someones in heat, etc...cuz they get seperated). We go out and sit on the porch and eat frequently(at least once a day). They are a very good little "pack", in that I can say someones name and that one knows its for them and the others also know and wait till their name is called. I have a really super good bunch of kids. Ive just about given up on using bowls at all unless I happen to be doing a ground meal, which is.....not often at all. All I do is give them the pieces of meat and they usually drag them out into the front yard, or sit with me on the porch and eat....when I have soemthing cut into small pieces Im hand feeding, then they all gather around and I just hand out the peices...no fuss, no fighting, no growling. Tonite I had some beef tender loin thawed for them, it came from the butcher pre cut...so it was nice
little chunky pieces I handfed to them. Ive actually been very pleasantly surprised, becuz with the k***le I had tons of growling, choking (from trying to inhale the crap) and fuss.
This raw stuff is so great and so easy and my dogs and I could not be happier with this stuff!

Michelle Radcliff
Mengshi Chinese Cresteds
http://www.geocitie s.com/crested_ dog8/mengshihome .html

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11c. Re: multiple dog home-was update pt 1
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:32 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michelle R <crested_dog8@...>
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> hey there, I have many.... (ranges from 5 to 8

*** Compared to some folks on this list, 8 doesn't qualify as many,
lol.

I have a really super good bunch of kids.

*** Sounds like you also have some good leadership.

Ive just about given up on using bowls at all

*** Bowls? Why would you use bowls?

Ive actually been very pleasantly surprised, becuz with the k***le
I had tons of growling, choking (from trying to inhale the crap)
and fuss.

*** Yeah, I've always thought kibbles presented a much bigger
choking hazard than any raw food...

--Carrie

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12. My introduction:
Posted by: "Ian Flanagan" oddariesofthe7th@yahoo.com oddariesofthe7th
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:56 pm ((PST))

Hey, my name is Ian. I'm from PA, I own 3 Labradors, one of each color. 2 are on raw/home made diets, the other is starting to be weened off from the breeders kibble to raw. Some may ask why isn't she on the raw yet, well.. I honestly didn't want to take her off the kibble until she was a lil older. Now going on 7 months I feel its time. As I did with my other 2. Normally I ween them from the solid gold wolfcub, to innova large breed puppy kibble, to innova evo, then to bravo/paw naturaw pre made raw, then to home made raw.

Other than that, mm...I dont know what else to write, besides that I'm sorta tired and off to bed, but just wanted to make sure I got that introduction in before I forgot,

I look forward to talking to you all, and learning the tips that everyone has to offer.

Ian.

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13. happy stories- reply to Jeni
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:21 pm ((PST))

Thanks so much Jeni, honestly, dont know why I waited sooo long to make this switch!! I started reading about raw stuff years ago..but I guess I was still to "brainwashed" to be able to really see it!
Raw Rules!! :-)
I , or rather my kids, just decided they were still hungry and needed a midnite snack..so I hacked up a turkey neck into several smaller parts ( my kids are little bitty) and divided it up among them....they were soo funny, sitting here chewing so nicely. Keeping in mind this was a huge turkey neck and I chopped it into a pretty nice size pieces, each a couple inches long... I did have one who gulped, then horked it up, re gulped, then rehorked...LOL on his 3rd try, he finally decided to chew nicely like the others..goofy kids. Funny how they really do have to "learn" how to eat huh?!

Michelle Radcliff
Mengshi Chinese Cresteds
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14a. more on turkey wings and reply to Chris
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:21 pm ((PST))

So on that logic, then, would you be comfortable feeding the wing, with added meaty meat? Meaning, it is not simply the wing itself, it is the actual lack of meat on the wing you dislike? Right? I was told today that the turkey wings have those "little sharp things" on them,(???) which chicken wings do not..just wondered if that had anything to do with it. Seems like perhaps a wing, would benefit the diet when offered with ground meat, since the wing has more bone than meat and ground has no calcium (bone) ...yes? Maybe for my totally toothless kids, I could mix up a ground wing in with some ground meat to fulfil the calcium requirements? Also seems like since it is wing, it might go thru a grinder easier than say a thicker leg bone or something....
thoughts anyone?

Michelle Radcliff
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14b. Re: more on turkey wings and reply to Chris
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:28 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michelle R <crested_dog8@...>
wrote:
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> So on that logic, then, would you be comfortable feeding the wing,
with added meaty meat? Meaning, it is not simply the wing itself, it
is the actual lack of meat on the wing you dislike? Right?

*** Right. Wings are bony, be they chicken or turkey. If they come
with a nice section of breast meat besides, that's much better.

I was told today that the turkey wings have those "little sharp
things" on them,(???) which chicken wings do not

*** I raise and butcher both chickens and turkeys and am not aware
of any little sharp things that turkeys have and chickens don't. The
main and only difference is the size. Wee little chicken wings may
pose a choking hazard to big dogs. It would take a big dog indeed to
choke on any but a very small turkey wing.

> Seems like perhaps a wing, would benefit the diet when offered
with ground meat, since the wing has more bone than meat and ground
has no calcium (bone) ...yes? Maybe for my totally toothless kids,
I could mix up a ground wing in with some ground meat to fulfil the
calcium requirements?

*** If you have animals with no teeth at all, then yes, wings might
be an excellent and more easily ground source of bone. If you have
kids with only a few teeth, continue to offer whole bone-in foods,
even if they aren't able to make a lot of progress. That will help
protect the few remaining teeth they have.

--Carrie

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15a. Re: First Feeding
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:24 am ((PST))

Yes, you should be able to have your dog give up anything to you, *give up
to you* being the operative phrase.

The best way to teach a dog to give up food, toys, 'poached' or 'found'
objects is to lay the foundation early for "Trade". If you teach a pup or
dog that he will get something 'more better' for trading what he has, he
will learn to "Trade" for stuff happily, even to the point of bringing you
things he 'finds' to trade. And, no, you don't have to *always* give him
something in trade, just often enough after the initial training for him to
remember why he loves to 'trade up'. You'll never have to chase your dog
down and corner him (risky!) to pry something away from him, or teach him
you can't be trusted or are unpleasant to come to.

I would recommend that you would take some time working with a dog who is
unhappy with people staring at or approaching him when he is eating. Keep a
handful of yummy little treats reserved during mealtime, seat yourself far
enough away that the dog doesn't feel threatened, (don't stare!) and toss a
treat to him every so often while he eats. Eventually, you'll be able to
gradually reduce the distance between you to standing right beside him, and
he'll stop eating and look up happily to you, instead of feeling as if
you'll 'steal' his food from him.

We buy the food for the dog, we earn the money to buy it, sure its 'ours',
but would you be happy with your SO, if they took stuff away from you
regularly, without even a "Please & Thank You", just to prove they're in
charge?

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Nov 26, 2007 10:47 AM, h h <deedeekinsisme@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You did say one thing that bothers me greatly. It's a pet peeve of
> mine. I suggest that you don't "take it away just to be sure she's
> OK w/ that." More often than not people cause the very problem they
> are trying to avoid using techniques like that.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~
> I'm going to have to disagree with you here Bill. The ability to take away
> something the dog is has in his mouth and/or is eating is very important.
> You never know if your dog might try eating something that could harm him,
> and if you don't establish to the dog that you have the right to take over
> any food it has (you are the alpha wolf type BS)--your dog may end up dead.
> Now, I wouldn't be forcing the issue if the dog has a problem with you near
> his food when you first switch to a raw diet, but with a little patience and
> training, you should be able to take anything from your dog to inspect and
> determine it is safe for the dog to have before giving it back.
>
> HEIDI MARIE
> ~with the woofs-Cheyenne and Lazy B~
> ~and the moggies-Minerva, Shasta, and Misty-Jo~
>
>
>
>

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16a. Re: Buying from the source
Posted by: "aliciamyan" alicia_larson@msn.com aliciamyan
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:20 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "the swamp witch"
<theswampwitch@...> wrote:
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> Can anyone offer some words of wisdom about buying from the source.
> For example, would it be worth the effort to buy a quarter cow, or
will I get a comparable price from buying sales? What kind of hassle
is it to get the animal processed, etc?

****
Our family raises and sells beef, preferably by the half. Selling by
the quarter gets confusing considering it makes for an uneven
division of cuts, so best of luck finding a source that sells smaller
than a half. When looking at the cost of purchasing beef by the
half, you have to remember for $3 something a pound, you aren't
getting just the cheap cuts, but also the prime cuts (some which
you'd pay double or triple for in the store). I am new to feeding
prey model raw, so I haven't sent a steer to the butcher with the
dogs in mind yet. However, I have given thought to it - the prime
cuts will be for my human family. I will request the "scrap" usually
used for ground beef be left as big and whole as possible. Same with
the ribs - never been a fan of beef ribs (probably because I haven't
found a good recipe) - I will request they are left big and meaty.
No stew meat - again - leave it big. I will be requesting the offals
(heart, tongue, uncut oxtail, liver and any other organs) as well -
which I normally don't do. In fact, I've already worked out a deal
with the butcher to remove the offals from their freezers that other
customers refused for the cost of wrapping ($.50/lb). Finding the
source will be depend on your area. We are strictly word of mouth -
family, friends and friends of friends. The other places to look are
your local paper, a agriculture paper/magazine or craigslist.org. As
for finding the "right" butcher, ask the farmer/rancher for his
suggestions and then ask around. Nothing worse than the wrong
butcher - not so bad if you're feeding to dogs, but not good when
it's for human consumption. Years ago we had to throw out nearly 1/2
a beef due to a terrible butcher - of course before I fed raw - kills
me now to think about what could have been!

Hope this helps!
Alicia

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17. will too much bone cause the runs?
Posted by: "recyclerat@aol.com" recyclerat@aol.com syrusmommy
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:20 am ((PST))

do bones bulk up the poop, or is it opposite?

my sick rottie's appetite has picked up, thanks to the Slippery Elm - i
believe(thank you so much Giselle) i havent done a "back yard poop check"
but my guess would be that things are firming up in the fecal department...i
can say for sure that the URGENCY is gone -- i swear, if he had hands he would
have grabbed his own butt to help hold it in as he ran to the back door,
earlier this week.

This morning gave him a big ole breakfast of half a chicken, and for
dinner a tilapia...but he was begging me with those big browns for more later
on..so i gave him some of the chicken leg bones from the other day when he was
refusing his food (i ended up cutting meat off the bone for him and hand
feeding.)

too much bone?

(he's hardcore underweight)

.heather.
.Frank the Rot.
.Chi-Chi the Chihuahua.

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18a. Re: Update, part II -- I did it!!
Posted by: "v_rod_or" v_rod_or@yahoo.com v_rod_or
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:20 am ((PST))

> Wendy, Foxy, and Sophie
> Official raw feeders :D
>
Congratulations!

Rod & Spike
Eugene, OR

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