[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12318

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Questions on perground
From: jennifer_hell

2a. Re: Soft / edible bones
From: Andrea
2b. Soft / edible bones
From: h h

3a. Re: concerned
From: Andrea
3b. concerned
From: blue eyed
3c. Re: concerned
From: costrowski75

4a. raw food compagnies in the USA
From: blue eyed
4b. Re: raw food compagnies in the USA
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
From: Marci
5b. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: new to rawfeeding with Dobes
From: Andrea

7a. Re: Support when making the switch?
From: blue eyed
7b. Re: Support when making the switch?
From: costrowski75
7c. Re: Support when making the switch?
From: Andrea

8a. Re: Making the switch
From: costrowski75

9a. Re: chicken necks
From: Andrea

10a. Re: South African Boerboel puppy question?
From: costrowski75

11a. Re: First Feeding
From: h h
11b. ADMIN/Re: First Feeding
From: costrowski75

12a. Bone size
From: groomindiva67
12b. Re: Bone size
From: Andrea

13a. Re: support when making the switch
From: costrowski75

14a. Re: Excessive urinating
From: costrowski75

15.1. New member
From: Kim

16a. Re: 8 Week Old Puppy
From: Geri

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1a. Re: Questions on perground
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:33 am ((PST))

My dog has teeth. She uses them for eating her food. And watching her,
I wonder how I could ever think that feeding anything that doesn't
need to be teared and chewed could be okay for any dog.

Jennifer

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jetblst2002" <bosboy101@...> wrote:
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> I have been looking at a preground mix that has the bone, meat, and
> organs all ground together. Has anyone on here every used these
> premixes and if so how did you find them, did you have to add anything
> to them? Any info on these would be great.
>
> Travis
>

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2a. Re: Soft / edible bones
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:44 am ((PST))

> Can you give me the link or the list of soft / edible bones for
> Tina's size?

The only bones you should consider inappropriate to feed her are weight
bearing bones from very large animals (like cow legs). These bones are
too dense for safe eating, they can crack and damage teeth. All other
bones are options for her, though she'll decide wether or not she wants
to eat them. My GSP mix happily crunches through goat leg bones, but
my newf mix would rather just strip the meat off. I'm sure if he
wanted to eat the bone he could, he just doesn't choose to.

> Is there any possibility of fish bones to stick in her throat or
> elsewhere?

Only if you cook it or feed just fish skeleton. Fish bones when
encased in fish meat don't warrant a seccond thought.

> I can get chicken, beef, pork (meat, bones and organs), mackarel,
> sardines and other fish, and sometimes lamb or turkey. Is this enough
> variety?

Sounds good. There's no magic number for "enough" variety, but as long
as you try your best to keep giving new cuts or animals you're doing
fine. Just get started with one of the proteins and work up from there.

Andrea

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2b. Soft / edible bones
Posted by: "h h" deedeekinsisme@yahoo.com tarbedyh
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:05 am ((PST))

Few weeks ago I switched to raw, so far no problems. Please help me
with these questions:
Can you give me the link or the list of soft / edible bones for
Tina's size?
Is there any possibility of fish bones to stick in her throat or
elsewhere?
I can get chicken, beef, pork (meat, bones and organs), mackarel,
sardines and other fish, and sometimes lamb or turkey. Is this enough
variety?
I appreciate any help.

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Edible bones for a dog your size:
Any chicken
Any turkey
Any waterfowl/game bird
Any rabbit
Any fish that is smaller than your dog (not sure how hard the bones on a 8' fish are)
Most pork (some of the larger bones may or may not be edible depending on how much of a chewer your dog is)
Most venison (see pork)
Most lamb (see pork)
Most goat (see pork)
?? Emu/ostrich, gator, or any other exotic meat
Very little Beef (ribs and similar sized bones maybe)
Very little Buffalo/bison (see beef)
No elephant bone <g>

Can a bone get stuck--yes...but then kibble can get stuck in a dogs throat too.

The variety sounds fine...just as long as the vast majority isn't one protein source, you are doing fine. Don't forget to toss in those organ meats too. :)

HEIDI MARIE
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3a. Re: concerned
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:52 am ((PST))

It's ok, I think he's probably eating too much food in one sitting.
How many times are you feeding him per day? If you are feeding twice,
change it so he's eating the same amount of food, just divided into
three meals. Also make sure you aren't generally feeding him too much
food.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dario" <nanterossi@...> wrote:

> I took the advice and and have been giving him drumsticks, and thighs
> (with drumsticks). Now he has really bad watery stools. Quite smelly
> too...

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3b. concerned
Posted by: "blue eyed" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:38 am ((PST))

Personally I don't feed turkey drumsticks and I would recommend that if if you know that the chicken is OK with him then skip a meal to let his tum rest and give him chicken for another couple of days, then once fine again, try introducing softer bones such as lamb flank, this is the soft rib bones on the belly/breast area, also contains a good amount of fat and meat to bone (about 50% bone) Keep him on the lamb (mutton is good too) for at least three days, as he is so little this is a good one to let him have a good chew and massage the gums. I would maybe take off a bit of the fat for him though.

The only way that I feed turkey is either turkey mince or whole turkey necks.

Natalie

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3c. Re: concerned
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:00 am ((PST))

"dario" <nanterossi@...> wrote:
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> My little 13 week old pupp has been on raw for a few weeks. I was
feeding him on chicken
> wings and some carcasses and his stools were really hard. I posted
up and had a few
> replies. I took the advice and and have been giving him drumsticks,
and thighs (with
> drumsticks). Now he has really bad watery stools. Quite smelly
too...What to doooo???
*****
I believe you have swung from one extreme to the other. I suggest
you return to the last food he successfully ate and stick there for a
while. It would be easier by far and probably more profitable to
feed chicken carcasses with a bit of meat added; or a wing with some
meat added than what you are doing now.

You may well be feeding too much food as well. Back off, simplify.

OTOH, persistent watery stools may be a symptom of bacterial
overgrowth/disease and can be dangerously dehydrating. If you do not
get prompt results from taking him back to his original diet, you may
want to get a fecal sample and see a vet.
Chris O

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4a. raw food compagnies in the USA
Posted by: "blue eyed" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:03 am ((PST))

So, they dont want to shut down/penilise companys who have poisoned pets with their already dodgy pre-packed kibbles, but they want to target the raw pet food industry? Hmm, whats in it for them?

Another panick as more and more people are trusting their own and their dogs instincts instead of the pet food companys marketing.

At the end of the day even if this is true they cant stop hunters selling their kill to the locals for their pets or people going to the supermarket and buying the cheapest finds they can get to feed their dogs.

Natalie

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4b. Re: raw food compagnies in the USA
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:14 am ((PST))

"catar2catars" <roger.may@...> wrote:
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> On a few Dutch Barf boards, the rumour was spread that the FDA want
to
> close down the raw dog food industry in the USA.
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The FDA would like to close down everything that moves independently
so that only BigPharm exists. Fat chance.

> After the recall of some contaminated prepacked frozen meat
packages
> from the Bravo Doog Food Cy, the FDA inspectors themselfs confirmed
> this to the manager of that compagny.
*****
If this actually was said, my guess it would have been in anger or
jest. I am not sure the statement was made, though it's possible the
owner of Bravo or an official spokesperson made the comment
personally.

The fortunate thing for raw feeders is that prefab foods (such as
Bravo offers) do not ever have to be a part of a good raw diet. As
long as there are sources of meat for human consumption, there will
be food for our dogs and cats.
Chris O

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5a. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
Posted by: "Marci" twilli55@tampabay.rr.com mtm1will
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:03 am ((PST))

I was under the assumption that it was 10% if their daily meal or more
if you feed every few days...should I not be giving them organ every
day? So if my dogs get 2 lbs of food each day I give them about .2 lbs
of organ...if it's not a daily thing, how much should I give and how
often?

Marci

The good news is that organs, including liver,
> only need to be about 10% of the overall diet, so it's not a daily
thing. at
> the most maybe a weekly thing, and then only a part of a meal...
>

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5b. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:27 am ((PST))

"Marci" <twilli55@...> wrote:>
> I was under the assumption that it was 10% if their daily meal or more
> if you feed every few days...should I not be giving them organ every
> day? So if my dogs get 2 lbs of food each day I give them about .2 lbs
> of organ...if it's not a daily thing, how much should I give and how
> often?
*****
How often you feed organs (liver especially) is more a factor of how
well the dog does on it than anything else. If you have a dog that a.
doesn't appreciate big pieces of liver or b. produces squirty stools
when given more than a smidgen then you might consider feeding a small
amount of liver in each meal, or once a day.

If your dog is quite comfortable with larger pieces of liver, then you
may feed it once a week or even less, but in larger amounts.

10% is 10% is 10%.

If you prefer to feed organs daily (for whatever reason) you'd feed 10%
of the amount you feed daily. So you'd offer 1.6 ounces of organ if
you were feeding 16 ounces of meal.

If you prefer to feed organs once a week, you'd feed 11.2 ounces of
organ meats because 16 ounces a day x 7 days is 112 ounces and 11.2
ounces is 10% of that.

But this is all very silly. What the "10% organs" says is you don't
have to feed very much of the stuff. So don't. Whether you feed it in
bits daily or feed it in larger amounts once a week, or feed it like I
do when I remember, you'll be fine because it all works out in the long
run.

Just don't feed lots all the time.
Chris O

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6a. Re: new to rawfeeding with Dobes
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:09 am ((PST))

Welcome to the group, April. I'm not in Texas, but I have some cousins
in Austin that I'm working on transitioning. Have you checked out the
Carnivore Feed Supplier list?

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier/

You might want to do a search for Austin or Lockhart and see if there
are any groups already existing.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "arabianbluedobe"
<arabianbluedobe@...> wrote:

> Anyone here live near Lockhart, Tx about 1 hr souhteast of Austin?
> I would like to get a group together to buy in bulk. There is only
> one meat market near here. No fish markets either.

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7a. Re: Support when making the switch?
Posted by: "blue eyed" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:33 am ((PST))

'if the stools don't improve he will take the puppy off raw and seek vet advice! We know what the vet will say, don't we!'

-NO NO NO please dont let him do this.

How about explaining that some pups are just like this for the first while anyway, regardless of what food they are on. He has just left everything he has ever known, his litter-mates, dam, old owners and gone through a food change as well as starting to learn everything new about his new home and owners.

'he looks good, he smells wonderful now (he stank when we got him last week: skin/fur, breath & stools were all smelly' Remind him that your hands, carpet.. will stink everytime you touch him if he goes back on kibble. Although I know you will probably already done so - I had this trouble when my OH first seen the dog with bones (before he stayed on the mat to eat them!)

I would say also that I would cut out the legs and switch to just chicken wings for a couple of days and you should see the stools firming up. Unless the fat is causing a problem I would leave the skin on the wings as your pup can then get enough calorie but have a higher bone content and still some meat, this should firm his stools up in no time.

Sometimes overfeeding can produce loose motions but try the chicken wings first before cutting down his food as he is so young. Calcium carbonate will firm the stools pretty quick you can get it in the chemist sold as an ant-acid for us but I would only do that if you are concerned about fluid loss through diahrea or something.

Some dogs are just different to others and you might find he does better with tripe and chicken together....some lamb...maybe its just that he is taking a while to settle, he has been reared on kibble and now raw...maybe chicken wont be his 'staple'

If all else fails tell him that I'm now saving about £140. per month on vet bills, simply because I changed my pup to a raw diet. If he wants details you/he are welcome to email me.

Also remind him of the higher risk of heart disease through poor dental hygene in K*@!le fed dogs, even if you use denta rasks, this could carry the risks of the dog becoming overweight in years due to their high calorie count, not to mention thyroid problems stemming from the additives and more tummy upsets than ever since so many kibble fed dogs seem to just get the runs every now and again without reason. On top of this once reached mid-life, its likley that he will need to spend about £500. on dental work anyway, oh and put up with the honking breath!

Hope the wings help,


Natalie

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7b. Re: Support when making the switch?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:53 am ((PST))

Eddie Scholten <shirl-ed@...> wrote:
> Our 8 wks GR puppy still has loose stools since we began feeding
him raw when we brought him home 6 days ago. Now, my fiance (who
happily agreed to feed raw - but never did any research on the
subject himself) is telling me that if the stools don't improve he
will take the puppy off raw and seek vet advice!
*****
Six days is bubkes. If the pup belongs to your fiance, perhaps logic
will help you. If the pup is yours, just say no.

> Am I feeding him too much?
*****
I suspect you are feeding too much per meal, through not necessarily
too much per day. I recommend you divvy the food over four meals
instead of three, and continue to remove the skin and any dangly
fat.

Also, it may be that the leg and wing bones are too difficult for the
kid. You might want to try just backs, with meat added if not in
every meal certainly half of them. You could also try quail, which
should be available at ethnic markets at a price on the upside of
affordable. I have found whole quail butterflied and slightly bashed
to be very kind to newbie pups. They weigh about four ounces each.

I doubt the boy is sick. When I see loose stools I automatically
think "oops, too much." Too much food, too much fat, too much
variety, too soon. Too much excitement, too much lifestyle change,
too much life in general can also cause loose stools.

Back off, simplify, provide quiet time, don't overstimulate the kid.
Taking a young dog to the vet for something as easily remedied as
loose stools is exposing the baby to a diseased environment FOR NO
REASON.

Prevail you, for the good of your fine young gr.
Chris O

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7c. Re: Support when making the switch?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:43 am ((PST))

> I would say also that I would cut out the legs and switch to just
> chicken wings for a couple of days and you should see the stools
> firming up.

While I agree that less food and/or a little more bone would be very
helpful, I think chicken wings are too small for a golden pup (unless I
misunderstood and the dog in question is a small dog). Perhaps chicken
backs with some meat added would be a better bet if smaller meals
doesn't do the trick.

Andrea

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8a. Re: Making the switch
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:44 am ((PST))

"paula.0666" <roogirl@...> wrote:>
but is it okay to switch a dog straight to all raw feeding or
> should there be a transitional phase?
*****
It's fine, Paula. The sooner you get the kibble out of the dog's life,
the better.

If you haven't joined Yahoogroups (the link is at the bottom of every
email you receive from this list), please do. Access to the message
archives will help you tremendously.
Chris O

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9a. Re: chicken necks
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:49 am ((PST))

IMO there's no real reason to feed something purely because it is a
source of bone. Your dogs don't need a lot of bone in the first
place. Unless you are feeding multitudes of meaty meat you shouldn't
need to add necks.

> I also have one dog Toby that doesn't have very big teeth and has a
> hard time with the leg bone so I use shears and cut the bone up as
> best I can and give it to him that way

If it were me, I would feed bone in breast or wings on breast for the
time being. As your pups build up their jaw strength they will be more
able to tackle the leg bones and such. At first my cats couldn't chew
through anything more than chicken ribs, but now they can eat their way
through the whole chicken. It just takes time.

Andrea

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10a. Re: South African Boerboel puppy question?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:01 am ((PST))

"footblack78" <footblack78@...> wrote:
My breeder that I am
> buying my dog from spoke to me about bone growth and protein. She
stated that it is
> important that I can slow the bone growth down, with using the right
food with the right
> percentage of protein can help.
*****
That's correct. It's often difficult for kibble feeders to know what
laboratory formula provides the "best" puppy nutrition; in fact it's
difficult for tame industry scientists to know what in real food is
important to try to replicate and what is not.

However, when you ignore the bought and paid for nonsense that comes
from the dogfood industry and look straight to the source (Ma Nature)
for the right stuff, it's easy peasy.

Quick fix: don't feed kibble, feed a raw diet based on whole prey (Ma
Nature's laboratory), using a variety of body parts from a variety of
animals.

I need some help in figuring out proper puppy/dog food,
> treats, chew bones, vitamin brands that are out there. Also what kind
of human food do some
> of you give your boerboel that continues to give them good health?
*****
Buy no "puppy/dog food", buy only the whole meats, whole meaty edible
bones and organs that puppy/dog food companies try to emulate. No
commercial food.

Treats can be anything that the dog considers special; chew bones are
redundant in a raw diet that regularly offers edible bones; vitamins
like almost all supplements are not necessary. In a raw diet, "human
food" and "dog food" are pretty much the same thing. With the
exception of raw green tripe (don't worry about this for the time
being) and road kill (although there are some people who will eat some
roadkill though probably not on this list but you never know), most any
food you buy for your pup will be food for a human, somewhere, somehow.

If you are writing from South Africa, I do understand that finding
sources for whole foods can be difficult. Still, I suspect with the
right amount of creativity and flexibility you will not once have to
feed your pup "puppy/dog food".

Please check out:
http://rawfed.com
http://rawfeddogs.net

And join Yahoogroups (the how-tos are at the bottom of each rawfeeding
post you receive) to access the group's message archives.
Chris O

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11a. Re: First Feeding
Posted by: "h h" deedeekinsisme@yahoo.com tarbedyh
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:09 am ((PST))

You did say one thing that bothers me greatly. It's a pet peeve of
mine. I suggest that you don't "take it away just to be sure she's
OK w/ that." More often than not people cause the very problem they
are trying to avoid using techniques like that.

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I'm going to have to disagree with you here Bill. The ability to take away something the dog is has in his mouth and/or is eating is very important. You never know if your dog might try eating something that could harm him, and if you don't establish to the dog that you have the right to take over any food it has (you are the alpha wolf type BS)--your dog may end up dead. Now, I wouldn't be forcing the issue if the dog has a problem with you near his food when you first switch to a raw diet, but with a little patience and training, you should be able to take anything from your dog to inspect and determine it is safe for the dog to have before giving it back.

HEIDI MARIE
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11b. ADMIN/Re: First Feeding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:32 am ((PST))

This is not a diet issue. It is about resource guarding and resource
guarding is NOT a topic for the rawfeeding list. Please take ALL
discussion to RawChat or private.

Further postings on the subject of resource guarding are unacceptable.
Chris O
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12a. Bone size
Posted by: "groomindiva67" redneckdiva@sbcglobal.net groomindiva67
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:09 am ((PST))

I have 1 golden 60lbs , 3 standard poodles 60lbs each, 1 standard/mini
30lbs and 1 Ridgeback 100 lbs. what is the good bones for my guys and
what should I stay away from. My father raises cattle so getting beef
processed for my dogs will be easy how should I have it done for the
dogs?? I can also get goat with no problem. what is good and bad
bones of a goat. I also can get fresh pork from my dad, can the dogs
have pork. I was always told to stay away from pork. I have fresh
pork heart and liver in my freezer as well as well as beef tongue.

how about chicken. I going to the store today to get chicken what
should I stay away from.

Thanks so much!

Monica and the Redneck Crew

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12b. Re: Bone size
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:50 am ((PST))

"groomindiva67" <redneckdiva@...>

> My father raises cattle so getting beef processed for my dogs will be
> easy how should I have it done for the dogs??

Big chunks of the beast are best. Don't feed any bare bones
(especially the leg bones). But legs with meat and sinew still
attached are ok if you take the bones away when they have been stripped
clean. Other parts of the cow should be perfectly usable.

> I can also get goat with no problem. what is good and bad bones of a
> goat.

All goat is good! Again, no naked bones, I get my goats 6-way cut.

> I was always told to stay away from pork.

Hogwash (pun intended)! Pork is a great addition to the party, and all
of it can be edible depending on wether or not the dog decides to eat
it.

> I have fresh pork heart and liver in my freezer as well as well as
> beef tongue.

Fantastic, you can feed them down the line, but I wouldn't use them as
first meats. Lots of dogs have to build up bowel tolerance for heart
and tongue otherwise they get loose stools.

> I going to the store today to get chicken what should I stay away
> from.

I'd stay away from anything smaller than chicken quarters. Lone wings
and lone drumsticks are too small for your crew. Sounds like you'll be
set once you guys get going. I'm jealous.

Andrea

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13a. Re: support when making the switch
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:16 am ((PST))

Michael Moore <m-tak@...> wrote:
> Oh, geez, Chris, did you really dump coffee on people's heads over
rawfeeding??? LOL -- sorry, but I can indeed picture it!
*****
Alas, it was over a less vital topic than raw feeding. Imagine if you
will how I might respond to a raw feeding conflict. Oy.

Today, thanks to Valley Girls, if the person from whom the nonsense
spews is not worth the psychic energy, I just give 'em that really
really annoying "WHATever" and walk away. She who whatevers first wins.
Chris O

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14a. Re: Excessive urinating
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:22 am ((PST))

Morledzep@... wrote:
>> i know that most folks don't think they do it, but female
dogs "mark" also.
> they squat many times and dribble just enough to leave a scent,
especially
> just before and during their "heat" cycle.
*****
Oh yes. One day I decided to count how many times my little Lab marked
while we were out for a lovely Spring walk. Fourteen. Fourteen times
she sniffed, piddled some paltry amount, and moved on. She had been
spayed at six months, she did not have a UTI, she was however a real
alpha bitch.

I think one really needs to know one's bitch to recognize the
difference. IMO if there's any doubt, consider testing.
Chris O

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15.1. New member
Posted by: "Kim" kimamarok@yahoo.com shumonitu_siberians
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:05 am ((PST))

Hi all,

I thought Id post an intro as Ive just joined up.

Ive been feeding raw for about 13 years and have
never had any troubles with any of my dogs. When I
started out I just guessed what was best for my
dogs...then as I kept reading more I found out I was
on the right track!! I also dont use chemicals on my
dogs - Ive found alternative methods have worked for
us for years so no need to overload them with toxic
stuff they dont need!!

Ive raised one litter of pups raw fed and all went on
to homes that continued to do so (I kept one pup). I
try and get my rescues on to raw food as well. Also,
many friends and family now feed their dogs raw after
seeing how happy and healthy my dogs are and also from
learning that not everything vets tell us is whats
best for our dogs.

I currently have a 13 year old Begian Shepherd whos
only visit to the vet has been to be sterilised and
for an ear infection (which I now know how to treat
myself). He is a very fit dog and runs around like a
2 year old, his only problem is he is going deaf
although he still manages to hear the bag of bones
rustle!!

I also have a 8.5year old Siberian Husky (one visit
to the vet when a young dog jumped on her and pinched
a nerve in her neck), 3 year old Siberian Husky (one
visit - for a microchip!) and 9 week old Koolie pup.
Ive been very lucky with my dogs and put their good
health down to their appropriate diet!

I recently lost my 6 yr old male Siberian Husky,
although if it wasnt for raw feeding he wouldnt have
had as long as he did (he suffered a head injury as a
pup).

I was lucky in that my Koolie pup came from a working
farm so was fed bones and meat, so coming here and
getting proper food was no problem, I was happy to see
he sensibly chewed his food and wasnt a gulper! Even
after travelling almost 5000km to me he hasnt ever had
an upset stomach and he has grown so much in the one
and half weeks he has been here. I love watching him
(and all my dogs) get a great workout eating their
dinner.

I also know he will have an easier time when it
comes to loosing his puppy teeth, Ive known some
kibble fed dogs who suffer badly at the teething
stage, none of mine have ever had much trouble thanks
to their food.

I run my dogs in harness and I believe they gain peak
condition so quick because they get fed such good
quality food.

Ive recently moved and now live not far from a
slaughterhouse and free range, chemical free poultry
farm. So, once I get a freezer Im going to dive in and
buy some different meat for the dogs that Ive not got
before.... can anyone suggest what to ask for direct?

Ive never tried to feed things like chicken feet
and Ive never found anywhere to get green tripe... Im
tempted to ask for sheep or cow heads as I can imagine
the dogs would enjoy that too (do you let them eat
the brains????).

Anyway, thanks for letting me share, I hope to learn
more from this list and also to reassure anyone going
through the transition either to raw food or with a
pup on raw food - be content to know your doing the
best for your dog. I have seen so many dog's illnesses
go away after getting off rubbish junk/commerical food
and on to food they should be eating and my dogs are
proof enough for me that nature knows best!!

thanks

Kim

Shumonitu Siberian Huskies
*Raw Powered Sleddogs*
Western Australia

Siberian Husky Rescue,
Western Australia,
*180 rehomed since 2000*

wasled.com

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16a. Re: 8 Week Old Puppy
Posted by: "Geri" CapeWindMastiff@comcast.net capewindmastiffs
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:06 am ((PST))

Hi Tommy,

YOU may have only been feeding Caesar raw since 12 weeks, HE started
with raw at 3 weeks with me, out of generations of rawfed dogs:-)
Check your private email for advice of how to get my grandbaby
switched over to what you normally feed.

Get Brando OFF that k*bble crap ASAP. Hopefully with a bit more
mentoring Brando's breeder will make the jump to wean to raw.

You asked me to let you know how things went with my dogs being put
back on kibble short term since the fire. One word somes it up!
AWEFUL!!! You know I am a dedicated raw feeder, and will argue FOR
raw, and you KNOW what my dogs looked like on raw. It would break
your heart to see what this crap has done TO Cierra! Until we can get
the logistics worked out, I'm blowing about $25-30 per day at BJs to
feed the fur kids.

When we went to raw years ago, the improvements were VERY noticable,
and I knew things would not be great with kibble, but I had NO clue
of HOW bad the dogs would suffer.

--
Geri MacDonald
Mastiffs Raised Naturally
Mastiff Rescue Volunteer

http://CapeWindMastiffs.com

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