[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12315

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Kathy intro-premix raw concerns
From: Michelle R

2a. Re: Excessive urinating
From: eu_azi

3a. Re: comfort levels. bacteria, raw feeding...
From: ada

4a. Re: Newbie intro
From: Sandee Lee
4b. Re: Newbie intro
From: beaulah_2001us
4c. Re: Newbie intro
From: DM H

5a. trying not working
From: tiffany.contempopainting
5b. Re: trying not working
From: recyclerat@aol.com
5c. Re: trying not working
From: windmilldairy

6a. New to List (sevice dog with allergies)
From: groomindiva67
6b. Re: New to List (sevice dog with allergies)
From: judy tallant

7a. Salmon Oil/How much???
From: cynthiashankman
7b. Re: Salmon Oil/How much???
From: katkellm
7c. Re: Salmon Oil/How much???
From: Yasuko herron
7d. Re: Salmon Oil/How much???
From: cynthiashankman

8a. First Feeding
From: Sallie Taylor
8b. Re: First Feeding
From: katkellm
8c. Re: First Feeding
From: Sallie Taylor

9a. Re: I am scared silly
From: ada
9b. Re: I am scared silly
From: cypressbunny
9c. Dog with heartworm
From: DM H

10a. Re: another newbie
From: Peggy Parker
10b. Re: another newbie
From: Sandee Lee
10c. Re: another newbie
From: katkellm

11a. Re: Support when making the switch?
From: costrowski75

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1. Kathy intro-premix raw concerns
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:35 pm ((PST))

Kathy,

Welcome to the list. I hope this list will be as great a benefit to you as it has me. There is a wealth of info in the archives, so be sure to check them out.
You say you have found a company who "makes a wonderful product", I am concerned because the basis for most who seek to feed raw is returning to nature. Mother nature "makes" all the food we need, perfectly ...all we have to do to feed is hand it to the dog. Some premixes come with high fruit and/or veggie content along with other processed nasties. The whole idea when switching to raw is getting away from the processed food and getting back to the perfect foods mother nature has already created.

Michelle Radcliff
Mengshi Chinese Cresteds
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2a. Re: Excessive urinating
Posted by: "eu_azi" dantennispro@gmail.com eu_azi
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:35 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
wrote:
If she's doing the squat and dribble, with no output, then she may
> have a UTI and that'd be the first thing I'd check...
>
Thank you for your response...Would you mind explain what exactly
means "dribble with no output" please? Thanx again
eu_azi@yahoo.com

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3a. Re: comfort levels. bacteria, raw feeding...
Posted by: "ada" mom2moz@yahoo.com mom2moz
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:35 pm ((PST))

Hi Michelle,

> I do admit I use a cholox cleaner on the counter
> after Ive been preparing the raw stuff. I am a bit
> of a germ-a-phob tho. I even wipe doorknobs and
> everything. ;-)

I used to be a bleach-aholic, and still can't be
comfortable until I've cleaned with bleach after
handling tripe. Yes, I wipe doorknobs and every
surface I, or the raw meat, has touched. It's the
responsible thing to do, as we (hopefully) would take
basic precautions when preparing raw meat for our
families.

> I am new to raw tho and I expect as I get more
> comfortable, I will not be as phobic about my
> cleaning. ;-)

'Tis true :). But, until such time, do what you can
live with that will allow you to keep feeding your
dogs a species appropriate diet. And, don't let
anyone make you feel guilty about whatever ritual you
need. Keeping in mind, of course, that vinegar IS
much better for your family and your pets than bleach
;). (yeah...do as I say - not as I do. lol) And, soap
and water is adequate for most clean-ups.

> I have either vinyl flooring or hardwood thru-out
> the house, so cleaning will be easy, esp on the
> vinyl.

Many of us who feed inside use feeding cloths - old
towels, or cloths specified for dog feeding. These
can be laundered, and just wash the floor underneath.
Mine have learned to keep the meat ON the cloth. They
find it helps to hold the meal, as opposed to chasing
it all over the floor. Also, contained area for human
to clean ;).

ada
mo (silkie/shih-tzu/maltese mutt) & abbie (yorkie)

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4a. Re: Newbie intro
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:48 pm ((PST))

Hi Kathy,

Unless the pork and lamb necks have tons of meat, all of the bone items
sound too bony...chickens necks far too small. The meat is all ground.
Eggs are good but you probably don't want to add them until your dog has
adjusted to one protein source. You don't need the veggies or herbs. :))

So...long story short, you can do a much better job by going down to your
local markets, buying whole chickens and turkeys, large lamb and pork
roasts, slabs of ribs, beef brisket and heart, etc. A raw diet is mainly
meat, a bit of edible bone and the ever important organs, fed in nice large
portions to give your dogs the dental benefits of ripping and tearing.

Choking *can* happen with items that are too small (necks, wings) but also
kibble toys, etc...loose stools *can* happen when introducing too much
variety too soon ("raging" diarrhea is generally indicative of
illness)...and broken teeth are the result of feeding the large hard marrow
bones devoid of meat. So she is partially right!! :)

Start out slowly and you'll do fine. There are tons of us on this list
successfully feeding raw!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "gudrun032150" <gudrun032150@yahoo.com>

I am interested in raw feeding, and have contacted a company in
sonoma, Feed This, who have a wonderful product. My vet is a great
holistic doctor, and she is familiar with this company. She thinks raw
is a good diet, and gave me the ok, while also giving me her few
warnings: choking on bones, "raging" diarrhea (very occasionally) and
broken teeth.

I have signed up for a delivery, first one on Dec. 10.
I'M VERY NERVOUS! thought i would peek around and try to find out more
and more.

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4b. Re: Newbie intro
Posted by: "beaulah_2001us" beaulah_2001us@yahoo.com beaulah_2001us
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:51 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "gudrun032150" <gudrun032150@...>
wrote:
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> Hi all
> I'm Kathy from northern california. I live with Odie, a year +- few
> months old rescue catahoula/hound/??? from the Mendocino County
Animal.
*Welcome to the group Kathy, Odie and Sammie. I am still new here,
well I feel like I am. I have been here for about a year now give or
take a little.

I lost my beloved Dobies to cancer; one this past April (lymphoma) and
one two and a half years ago (Hemangiosarcoma.) Another Dobie was
lost to cardiomyopathy. One guy lived to about 13! And two terrier
mutts lived to 14 & 16!
*We lost our two babies in less than a year this last year. One to
pain, arthritus, severly fused back adn she was 14-15. The other one
we lost to Insulinoma Cancer. Nasty stuff. She was 10 1/2 yrs old. We
now have Sophie who is just over 3 months.

My vet is a great holistic doctor, and she is familiar with this
company. She thinks raw is a good diet, and gave me the ok, while
also giving me her few warnings: choking on bones, "raging" diarrhea
(very occasionally) and broken teeth.

* It takes a little getting used to but I like feeding raw. Yes with
Sophie she has had a couple of choking incidents but we feed her when
we are right there. The only problem I have had with my holistic vet
is that she still thinks the dogs need veggies and suppliements.
While maybe some supplements are good I dont think one needs them all
the time. I could be wrong on that, but that is my personal feeling
on it.

I have signed up for a delivery, first one on Dec. 10.
I'M VERY NERVOUS! thought i would peek around and try to find out
more and more.Kathy & Odie (and foster dog Sammie--kelpie looking for
a home.)

* Good luck with your first delivery. I am sure your fur babies will
love you to pieces!
Sandy

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4c. Re: Newbie intro
Posted by: "DM H" hawks.bluff@yahoo.com hawks.bluff
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:57 pm ((PST))

Hi Kathy,

I got the same lecture from my vet in 2003, when I
started feeding raw to my dogs. I also foster dogs
for my local county shelter (El Dorado) and currently
have a little Chow mix awaiting heartworm treatment.

All I can say is that none of the dire warnings ever
came true, and my dogs have thrived. I didn't go the
whole way - I did a modified with home-cooked diet
consisting of meat/brown rice/veggies and fed a lot of
RMB's, poultry wings and necks, and organ meats. I am
just now slowly moving toward a comprehensive raw
diet.

I have also introduced every one of my foster dogs to
raw foods, and have not had a single bad experience.
No vomiting, no choking on bones, no diarrhea. Some
dogs take a few days to get the hang of it, but 99% of
them take to it immediately and seem to really like
it. The only hard part is adopting them out to
someone who walks off with a bag of Hill's Science
Diet under their arm! :-(

My new challenge is that I'm fostering two cats - one
adult and one kitten - and I'm trying raw on them!

Donna

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5a. trying not working
Posted by: "tiffany.contempopainting" tiffcurran@gmail.com tiffany.contempopainting
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:27 pm ((PST))

Hi new at this.I tried turkey necks, chicken legs, and even the frozen packaged raw. They sniff it, lick it, then are done with it. My cat loved it but dogs want no part of it. Tried lightly frying just top skin to no avail. Any idea's on what else to try to get them going. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Tiffany

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5b. Re: trying not working
Posted by: "recyclerat@aol.com" recyclerat@aol.com syrusmommy
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:57 pm ((PST))

not a pro here, but have you tried chopping it up into smaller hunks?

.heather.

Hi new at this.I tried turkey necks, chicken legs, and even the frozen
packaged raw. They sniff it, lick it, then are done with it. My cat loved it but
dogs want no part of it. Tried lightly frying just top skin to no avail. Any
idea's on what else to try to get them going. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Tiffany

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5c. Re: trying not working
Posted by: "windmilldairy" drwindmill@gmail.com windmilldairy
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:05 pm ((PST))

Hi Tiffany--

Maybe they are not hungry enough, try letting them get their appetite elevated and I'M
almost certain they will eat it. Do try small bite size pieces than work your way up.

Pat

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tiffany.contempopainting" <tiffcurran@...> wrote:
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> Hi new at this.I tried turkey necks, chicken legs, and even the frozen packaged raw. They
sniff it, lick it, then are done with it. My cat loved it but dogs want no part of it. Tried lightly
frying just top skin to no avail. Any idea's on what else to try to get them going. Any help
would be greatly appreciated.
> Tiffany
>

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6a. New to List (sevice dog with allergies)
Posted by: "groomindiva67" redneckdiva@sbcglobal.net groomindiva67
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:27 pm ((PST))

Hello I am new and have been thinking about putting my daughters
service dog on a prey diet. she has horrible allergies with chewing
and itching and hotspots. At this point she can not go out in public
because of her skin and smell. I have done just about everything to
help this poor dog and she is so miserable. I guess I am just looking
for support as I make this transition. Looking forward to hearing all
of the input. My daughters dog is a Golden and she weights about
60lbs. I think I should feed her 1.5 lbs divided into 2 feedings is
this right??? and should I wait to start her for 12 hours after her
kibble feeding??

Thanks again

Monica and the Redneck Crew
4 Standard Poodles
1 Golden Retreiver (hearing dog)
1 Rhodesian Ridgback (retired show dog)

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6b. Re: New to List (sevice dog with allergies)
Posted by: "judy tallant" judy@tallant.com judyltallant
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:33 pm ((PST))

I too have a golden with allergies. She's been tested and the
allergens are environmental such as grass, dust, hemlock, cats,
fleas, human dander and many more. This sort of allergy shows up in
dogs on their skin and it's an autoimmune disorder. The smell is
undoubtedly yeast, which thrives on irritated skin. It's partner is
staph and together they make her quite pitiful. The most important
thing I can do for her is to provide her a diet that will build her
immune system and not create any variables, in terms of the things
that hurt her. I feed her a lot of salmon, fowl and organ meats.

In terms of additional treatment, keep her from chewing that
irritated skin or it will get infected. Beyond that, different
veterinarians will try combinations of antibiotics, anti-fungals, and
steroids. Or you can go the homeopathic route.

On Nov 25, 2007, at 4:14 PM, groomindiva67 wrote:

> Hello I am new and have been thinking about putting my daughters
> service dog on a prey diet. she has horrible allergies with chewing
> and itching and hotspots. At this point she can not go out in public
> because of her skin and smell.

Judy Tallant
Snohomish, Wa

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7a. Salmon Oil/How much???
Posted by: "cynthiashankman" ShankMa4@aol.com cynthiashankman
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:42 pm ((PST))

I am resending this question:

Is there a guideline on how much salmon oil to give a dog? My dog
weighs 30 lbs. The capsules I have contain 1000 mg. of oil.

Thank you.

Cindi

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7b. Re: Salmon Oil/How much???
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:01 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cynthiashankman" <ShankMa4@...> wrote:
> Is there a guideline on how much salmon oil to give a dog? My dog
> weighs 30 lbs. The capsules I have contain 1000 mg. of oil.

Hi Cindi,
A maintenance dose of s.o. is 1000mg per 30lbs of dog. A therapeutic
dose could be as much as 1000mg per 10lbs of dog. When i started
feeding salmon oil a couple of years ago, somehow, someway, i
remembered the dose to be 1000mg per 20lbs of dog and that is what i
have been feeding mine. I try to remember to feed it 4 times a week.
KathyM

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7c. Re: Salmon Oil/How much???
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:08 pm ((PST))

hi.I thought 1000mg Salmon oil cap per 20lb body weight for maintanance level dose.

My dog 34lb but I cannot give 1.5 cap,so,I give 1 cap one day andnext day I give 2 cap and balance it out.

I give daily.

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7d. Re: Salmon Oil/How much???
Posted by: "cynthiashankman" ShankMa4@aol.com cynthiashankman
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:15 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> hi.I thought 1000mg Salmon oil cap per 20lb body weight for
maintanance level dose.
>
> My dog 34lb but I cannot give 1.5 cap,so,I give 1 cap one day
andnext day I give 2 cap and balance it out.
>
> I give daily.
>
>
ahhhh! Great idea Yassy! Thank you!

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8a. First Feeding
Posted by: "Sallie Taylor" treterra@yahoo.com treterra
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:43 pm ((PST))

OK, so the Bullmastiff ate half a chicken in about 10 minutes. We stayed with her the whole time and took it away once just to be sure she's OK w/ that. Crunched bones for sure, but is this enough time?

Sallie

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8b. Re: First Feeding
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:18 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Sallie Taylor <treterra@...> wrote:
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> OK, so the Bullmastiff ate half a chicken in about 10 minutes. We
stayed with her the whole time and took it away once just to be sure
she's OK w/ that. Crunched bones for sure, but is this enough time?

Hi Sallie,
If you mean does it sound like she gulped it down or does it sound
like she ate politely, imo, it sounds like she ate properly and did a
fine job--both of you did good. KathyM

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8c. Re: First Feeding
Posted by: "Sallie Taylor" treterra@yahoo.com treterra
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:06 pm ((PST))

Kathy. THANK YOU. I appreciate your affirmation. This IS scary the first time -- especially when she NEVER chewed her other food. Not kidding, less than a minute, tops, to go through an entire bowl. No hurling on the chicken, yet, either, and it's been over an hour. Again, thanks!

Sallie

katkellm <katkellm@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Sallie Taylor <treterra@...> wrote:
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> OK, so the Bullmastiff ate half a chicken in about 10 minutes. We
stayed with her the whole time and took it away once just to be sure
she's OK w/ that. Crunched bones for sure, but is this enough time?

Hi Sallie,
If you mean does it sound like she gulped it down or does it sound
like she ate politely, imo, it sounds like she ate properly and did a
fine job--both of you did good. KathyM

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9a. Re: I am scared silly
Posted by: "ada" mom2moz@yahoo.com mom2moz
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:57 pm ((PST))

Hi Wendy,

> I have asked a neighbor who hunts to give me his
> deer and turkey trim,

Sooooooo Jealous!

> I have overcome my worries that the food all needs
> to be organic (yes, I know that would be best, but
> fresh has to be an improvment over
> processed; .organic can wait until I can afford to
> eat it daily myself!)

Yep!

> I am terrified...<snip>....has anyone else ever felt
> this way before taking the plunge?

uummmm...just, maybe all of us? lol I have nothing to
add to the great advice you've already received here,
except to share my RAW beginning. Apologies to the
ones who have read it a gazillion times :-Þ

I was forced into RAW, because my 8y/o(at the time)
mix was throwing up every commercial kibble we tried.
Yes, even "the real quality" ones <rollseyes> by
prescription from the vet. He'd always had a sensitive
tummy, but things escalated as he got older. We're not
talking a little *gack*ing and spitting up - I'm
talking serious wretching. I don't remember how I
heard about RAW; but, I stumbled on this group while
researching. After watching for awhile, I decided I
best give it a 'go', as Mozart was still declining.
Well, he can be verrrry stubborn. He didn't eat for
three days, and every day I would write a sob post:
"He's still not eating...don't think I can do this".
Everyone encouraged me that I had to be strong, to do
what was best for him, and that "healthy dogs will NOT
starve themselves. He'll eat when he's hungry".
Well, the thing was, he was NOT healthy, and I was
really starting to worry. Talk about terrified! I had
nowhere to turn, if this diet didn't work out. On the
fourth morning, I offered the leg quarter, and he gave
it the usual disdainful *sniff*, looked at me with the
usual "why do you hate me", and walked away. I came
in to write our farewell post: "Thanks everyone for
the support; but, I just can't do this to him
anymore...(blah blah blah)", when I heard an odd noise
coming from the kitchen. Thinking he was in the trash
(again), I went in to find him....eating the RAW
chicken!! Literally tears of joy.

Mo is in his 13th year now - five extra years I know
we wouldn't have him, if he'd continued on k***le.
Abigail (7.5lb Yorkie), has been RAWfed since her 9th
week :). She's muscular, her coat is shiny, and the
vets can't believe her teeth "for a Yorkie" ;).

ada
mo (silkie/shih-tzu/maltese mutt) & abbie (yorkie)

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9b. Re: I am scared silly
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:00 pm ((PST))

> I came
> in to write our farewell post: "Thanks everyone for
> the support; but, I just can't do this to him
> anymore...(blah blah blah)", when I heard an odd noise
> coming from the kitchen. Thinking he was in the trash
> (again), I went in to find him....eating the RAW
> chicken!! Literally tears of joy

*** Still brings tears to my eyes, Ada. Hats off to Mo.

Carrie

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9c. Dog with heartworm
Posted by: "DM H" hawks.bluff@yahoo.com hawks.bluff
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:09 pm ((PST))

I am fostering a dog who was diagnosed with heartworm
disease. I just got him yesterday - a very cute
little Chow mix, probably four years old and about 45
pounds.

I tried feeding him some raw beef, and he was
ambivalent about it. So for the time being, I have
been giving him some raw as a treat (chicken wings,
which he has decided are good) but feeding him
canned/kibble as his main meals. He is going in for
his neuter tomorrow, then will start his treatment for
heartworm in approximately one to two weeks, during
which he must be kept as calm and quiet as possible.
(No control over timing on my part, unfortunately.)

Should I start converting him now, with the idea that
the sooner he starts eating right, the better off
he'll be? Or should I let him eat what he is
comfortable with, with the idea that the less stress,
the better? Any opinions? I am open to all thoughts,
with the understanding that none of your are vets (at
least that I know of <g>). My gut feeling is to start
him for real tomorrow afternoon, when I pick him up
from the vet.

I have also ordered a package of "Parasite Dr." I
know that is a topic for another group, but if anyone
has any experience with it, I'd appreciate any
off-group responses you want to give. It is primarily
garlic, neem, and ruta graveolens.

TIA,

Donna

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10a. Re: another newbie
Posted by: "Peggy Parker" peggyparker_4@yahoo.com peggyparker_4
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:01 pm ((PST))

So, I guess the freeze dried raw food offered on the net is not a good idea? I will throw out the kibble and go see the holistic vet in the area who has frozen raw that she sells and use that while I am figuring this out.

One more question in the meantime....this pup wants to eat his poop, and that was before I fed him the kibble. What's that all about. So far we have caught him in the early stage and been able to stop him. Is there a cure for this? Some deficiency somewhere?

Peggy

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10b. Re: another newbie
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:19 pm ((PST))

No, but neither is the frozen raw. Just go get a couple of chickens while
you are figuring this out....it's that simple! And keep reading. By the
time you are ready for more variety you'll know it all! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Peggy Parker" <peggyparker_4@yahoo.com>

> So, I guess the freeze dried raw food offered on the net is not a good
idea? I will throw out the kibble and go see the holistic vet in the area
who has frozen raw that she sells and use that while I am figuring this out.

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10c. Re: another newbie
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:47 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Peggy Parker <peggyparker_4@...> wrote:
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> So, I guess the freeze dried raw food offered on the net is not a
good idea? I will throw out the kibble and go see the holistic vet in
the area who has frozen raw that she sells and use that while I am
figuring this out.

Hi Peggy,
Frozen raw pre made patties are not a good idea either. You are
thinking way too hard and making this out to be lots more difficult
than it actually is. To start with, all you need is a regular old
grocery store. Go buy a chicken and cut it up into serving size hunks
so that you are feeding 2% of your dog's ideal body weight per day.
That is all you need to start off. Next, you can read the archives
and/or ask more questions. That's all you need to do to get off to a
good start. KathyM

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11a. Re: Support when making the switch?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:39 pm ((PST))

Michelle R <crested_dog8@...> wrote:
I am wondering what sort of problems you folks faced from family and
friends when switching to raw?
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My husband was (and continues to be) supportive, the rest of the
world can pound sand.

I got (and continue to get) support from this list and other natural
rearing/raw lists, and from other raw feeders I have come to know
over the years. The rest of the world can pound sand.

The vets I see now are not necessarily proponents of raw feeding but
they have never once questioned my ability to feed my dogs properly.
The rest of the world can, well, you get the picture.

I am under a verbal barage of questions and really ridiculous ass-
umations on the part of some friends and all of my family (except my
daughter, lol) I was nearly assaulted over thanksgiving.
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This is unconscionable. It's not their bsuiness. Regardless of how
desperately much family members want to remake you in their images,
you are doing what you feel is right and I assume you did your
research up front (and that you continue to) so you did not go into
raw feeding as if it were a fad and you were a silly goose.

I have a long history of ignoring my family, so what they've thought
of me through the years has not significantly affected my choices. I
don't recommend keeping one's kith and kin at arm's length, but it
sure does make going about one's own business a lot easer.

I was "informed" I am
> A) giving my dogs worms and other parasites
> B) feeding them e-coli, salmonella and other horrible things
> C) asked how I could afford such a diet, its too enpensive and far
too much work and whereever was I finding time?
> D) informed I had to add very expensive supplements to balance a
crazy unbalance raw diet
> E) informed that by handling the raw food I was going to subject
myself to all the same parasites and disease I was now feeding my
dogs (we are all gonna die, basically)
> F ) informed that all the barf crap was just that.... a bunch of
CRAP and I was told flatout that I was stupid to think otherwise.
> G) How could I ever know how much to feed, its not like each bite
was balanced?
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Suggest they go to http://rawfed.com or print out the myths section
for them. If they chose not to read the material, neener-neener on
them. I urge you not to let them put the onus of proof on you. A
simple "show me" is all you need say.

They simply wished to strike out, but did not allow me to share my
knowledge with them. I got up from the table and just left the
room. :-(
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The only thing you could have done, actually. In similar situations
I have dumped coffee on people's heads, so leaving really was a
better choice. As long as they limit their abuse to verbal and don't
mess with your dogs, you can get along, I think. You are doing the
right thing, they are being fools...family is not an easy concept.

What bothers me is my trusted family, what should be my primary
source of support, has really let me down
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Yup, that's what happened. It is their loss ultimately, not yours.

I can not share my joy over seeing less tarter on their teeth(really
wish I had taken pictures to document the change, its wonderful) with
my family...I can not share how happy I am with the differences Im
seeing in just general well being of my dogs
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Pish tosh. You can share with us. You can share with people who
have figured out there are better ways to raise dogs; on this list,
on other lists. Truly, it is your family that is missing out.
Chris O

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