[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12306

There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Bad Breath
From: vickies_28
1b. Re: Bad Breath
From: T Smith
1c. Re: Bad Breath
From: Sandee Lee
1d. Re: Bad Breath
From: carnesbill
1e. Re: Bad Breath
From: Giselle

2a. Bacteria and raw feeding.
From: johkemp
2b. Re: Bacteria and raw feeding.
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: Bacteria and raw feeding.
From: Sandee Lee
2d. Re: Bacteria and raw feeding.
From: merril Woolf
2e. Re: Bacteria and raw feeding.
From: carnesbill
2f. Re: Bacteria and raw feeding.
From: Giselle

3a. First Message Since Joining 1 Question
From: thetouch2026
3b. Re: First Message Since Joining 1 Question
From: Sandee Lee
3c. Re: First Message Since Joining 1 Question
From: carnesbill

4a. Re: Whole turkey for gorge meal?
From: steph.sorensen

5a. Re: What next?
From: carnesbill

6a. Re: only eats with people
From: carnesbill
6b. Re: only eats with people
From: hiideel
6c. Re: only eats with people
From: jennifer_hell

7. Does this sound okay for a feeding plan?
From: Jennifer

8a. Need to share the excitement!!
From: jennifer_hell
8b. Re: Need to share the excitement!!
From: Eddie Scholten

9a. Update: Re: Advice please-2 days on raw with variety of stools...
From: Eddie Scholten

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1a. Re: Bad Breath
Posted by: "vickies_28" vickies_28@yahoo.com vickies_28
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:38 pm ((PST))

HI
Yes, he did lose all his puppy teeth a long time ago, I never saw them
actually since we got him at 5 mo old wtih all adult teeth. Gums are
fine, no dental issue there as far as I can see.
Slabs or ribs? Like how big exactly? I cannot give him anything larger
than 1 meal size - he doesn't stop when he's had enough and will
continue eating. And with large chunks of boneless meat - again how big
exactly, lbs I mean? I tried 1 lbs of beef no bone and he eat it in 2
min chewed a bit, so I was comfortable enough to turn away, but after a
couple of chews - it was all gone. That means he swallowed it. What are
the dental benefits of swallowing?
Are you saying you want me to give him like 3-5 lbs worth of rib slab?
How is that possible exactly?
Thanks
Vickie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> So he has lost his puppy teeth and has all of the adult teeth in?
Are his
> gums red?
>
> You may need to feed him some larger items that he has to work at in
order
> to get the flossing action and dental benefits. Slabs of ribs, large
chunks
> of meat that he has to sink those teeth in....that type of thing.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>

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1b. Re: Bad Breath
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:39 pm ((PST))

I can say a few tings about my dogs & raw.
My senior (very senior) Dalmatian had breath that you could smell a mile
away! We called it "death breath" & there's no kidding here, folks, even
the vet freaked on how rancid his breath was. Due to his health we 'could'
do a teeth cleaning but this vet didn't feel he would survive it (the
anesthesia) so we chose not to do it. Throughout his life there was never a
justified 'reason' for why his breath smelled except for it was emanating
from his stomach acids, maybe a bad tooth (requiring $500 OR MORE if they
saw fit during the surgery)......& it just progressed to intolerable... My
vet didn't think he would live much longer anyway so we chose to 'deal with
it'. My vet story goes way back but now we have a SUPER vet & very pleased.

A couple months ago I went to raw for my dogs. This boy, a few weeks after
starting raw, has no breath! I mean, he sleeps next to my bed & OMG I can't
smell him. His panting would wilt your salad & mold your cheese!! I kid
you not, this diet has changed a life long problem my senior Dal boy has
had! If only I had known about it years ago but I know now & am truly
thankful for it. For my Dal, this was the answer to his death breath.
Second, I worked at Humane Societies, shelters, vets & rescue & when
identifying a general age on a dog, we check the tartar on a dog's teeth!
OK, this diet has really been a challenge! My 6,7 & 9 month old pups all
have WHITE teeth. By now, on ki***e they would have a slight amount of
tartar at the gum line! My 2 year old Lhasa has some stained teeth from
ki***e but the tartar is gone!! I wonder how nice my Dane's teeth will be
in the years to come. They willl forever have young teeth! I know my 11 yr
old Lhasa had just had 11 teeth removed before I started raw but I am sure
she will never need any more removed from diet!
Thanks to all of you who have been encouraging to me to get through these
hard months getting started on this diet. It's not been easy with 7 of my
dogs on it but through trial & error I think we are getting it.
The only problem i am having is a slight hair loss on one of my pups & the
constant issues with my other senior guy but that's been life long.
Trina

On Nov 22, 2007 4:41 PM, Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:

> So he has lost his puppy teeth and has all of the adult teeth in? Are
> his
> gums red?
>
> You may need to feed him some larger items that he has to work at in order
> to get the flossing action and dental benefits. Slabs of ribs, large
> chunks
> of meat that he has to sink those teeth in....that type of thing.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
>
>
>

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1c. Re: Bad Breath
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:59 pm ((PST))

Vickie,

Slabs of ribs don't have much meat but would give him the exercise of
ripping and tearing. You can throw the bones away when he's done with that
activity, so it wouldn't be a huge meal. You might just have to give him
something large and take it away when you know he's had enough. Items that
are good for tooth cleaning are some of the pork roasts (hams especially
have a tough layer of fat), beef cheeks, heart and tripe are pretty chewy,
or any larger bones with lots of meat that has to be torn off.

I'm wondering if 8 months is too early to go to one meal a day? That way
you could feed one nice large consuming meal...maybe even a small snack
later if necessary? I'm not sure about that....I don't do puppies!! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "vickies_28" <vickies_28@yahoo.com>
Slabs or ribs? Like how big exactly? I cannot give him anything larger
than 1 meal size - he doesn't stop when he's had enough and will
continue eating. And with large chunks of boneless meat - again how big
exactly, lbs I mean? I tried 1 lbs of beef no bone and he eat it in 2
min chewed a bit, so I was comfortable enough to turn away, but after a
couple of chews - it was all gone. That means he swallowed it. What are
the dental benefits of swallowing?
Are you saying you want me to give him like 3-5 lbs worth of rib slab?
How is that possible exactly?
Thanks
Vickie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> So he has lost his puppy teeth and has all of the adult teeth in?
Are his
> gums red?
>
> You may need to feed him some larger items that he has to work at in
order
> to get the flossing action and dental benefits. Slabs of ribs, large
chunks
> of meat that he has to sink those teeth in....that type of thing.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>

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1d. Re: Bad Breath
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:51 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "vickies_28" <vickies_28@...>
wrote:
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> I am not sure why you would say that, that he is losing his teeth.

I meant puppy teeth but I see from other posts that he has already
repalced all those.

Bad breath is caused by bacteria, usually in the mouth but possibly
in the stomach. You say you have been raw feeding 4 months but this
problem appeared 1 month ago. What did you start feeding just
before the problem started?

I suggest going back to the beginning and start over again. Feed
chicken only until his breath clears up. Then add the other protein
sources one a week until the problem starts back. Whatever was the
last thing you added to the diet, don't feed again for several
months. I would add the organs last and feed in very small amounts
in the beginning gradually increasing until you are feeding what you
think he needs.

What you are feeding is good except something isn't agreeing with
him assuming he has no dental problems. Occasionally a cavity will
cause bad breath. If his bad breath persists after a week or so on
chicken, I would have his teeth and mouth checked real good.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1e. Re: Bad Breath
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:11 am ((PST))

Hi, Vickie!
I'd recommend that you ditch the cottage cheese - it is
species INappropriate, totally UNnecessary and most likely is the cause of
his bad breath.

TC
Giselle

On Nov 22, 2007 4:25 PM, vickies_28 <vickies_28@yahoo.com> wrote:

> As a matter of fact, I just realized I forgot to mention, that he also
> gets raw eggs with shells and cottage cheese. And ocasionally raw fish
> chunks
> would any of that cause bad breath?
> Vickie
>
>

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2a. Bacteria and raw feeding.
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:38 pm ((PST))

A question was asked on Yahoo Answers the other day in regards to
whether any raw feeders had experienced problems with bacteria and
other pathogens. As one of the many fallacies/arguments about raw
feeding is the so-called risk of infections, the poster was interested
if anyone had actually experienced any of these issues.

Not one person that responded had had any problems while feeding raw,
and I would be interested to know if anyone on this forum had
experienced bacterial or parasitic problems and if the source could be
identified.

Thanks in advance,

Joh
1 raw fed dog and 3 cats.

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2b. Re: Bacteria and raw feeding.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:21 pm ((PST))

"johkemp" <johkemp@...> wrote:
I would be interested to know if anyone on this forum had
> experienced bacterial or parasitic problems and if the source could
be
> identified.
*****
So far as I know, in the seven plus years I have been feeding raw to
eight or so dogs and three cats none of my charges have experienced
bacterial or parasitic problems that could be traced back to raw food.

Neither my husband nor I have have experienced bacterial or parasitic
problems attributable to the raw food our cats and dogs eat. Neither
of us have had ANY bacterial or parasitic problems.
Chris O

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2c. Re: Bacteria and raw feeding.
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:41 pm ((PST))

Have not in 8 years of raw feeding...haven't heard of any!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "johkemp" <johkemp@yahoo.com.au>

Not one person that responded had had any problems while feeding raw,
and I would be interested to know if anyone on this forum had
experienced bacterial or parasitic problems and if the source could be
identified.

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2d. Re: Bacteria and raw feeding.
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:51 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Have not in 8 years of raw feeding...haven't heard of any!
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "johkemp" <johkemp@...>
>
> Not one person that responded had had any problems while feeding raw,
> and I would be interested to know if anyone on this forum had
> experienced bacterial or parasitic problems and if the source could be
> identified.
>

Ditto here. Never had any yet and don't anticipate any. No parasitic problems at all. None.
No bacterial either and I'm *not* a germ-a-phobic so I use harsh cleaners sparingly.

Merril

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2e. Re: Bacteria and raw feeding.
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:26 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "johkemp" <johkemp@...> wrote:
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> I would be interested to know if anyone on this forum had
> experienced bacterial or parasitic problems and if the source
> could be identified.

I would be very surprised if you got any positive answers. These
problems just don't happen because of the dog's efficient digestive
system. In 5 years of raw feeding neither my dogs, cats, nor myself
have ever had a bacterial/parasite problem. I have fed them some meat
that you wouldn't even want to be in the same room with.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2f. Re: Bacteria and raw feeding.
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:19 am ((PST))

Nope, no problems, not me or mine - and I am not, nor have ever been, a
domestic goddess! ^_^

15+ years

Giselle
with Bea in ew Jersey

On Nov 22, 2007 8:08 PM, johkemp <johkemp@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> A question was asked on Yahoo Answers the other day in regards to
> whether any raw feeders had experienced problems with bacteria and
> other pathogens. As one of the many fallacies/arguments about raw
> feeding is the so-called risk of infections, the poster was interested
> if anyone had actually experienced any of these issues.
>
> Not one person that responded had had any problems while feeding raw,
> and I would be interested to know if anyone on this forum had
> experienced bacterial or parasitic problems and if the source could be
> identified.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Joh
> 1 raw fed dog and 3 cats.
>
>
>

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3a. First Message Since Joining 1 Question
Posted by: "thetouch2026" mitchmiedus@hotmail.com thetouch2026
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:39 pm ((PST))

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I have a 17 week old german shepherd dog who I have had on raw diet
since I picked him up at nine weeks old, started with ground meets
bone in with veggies; that i bought from a raw food pet store, they
helped me get started. First time trying raw with a dog. I then read
postings on this group and researched on the internet and realized
they didn't need veggies or ground meet. I started giving him whole
fish with the ground meat to wean him to solids because he would
swallow whole chicken necks and i didn't like that. I then gave him
beef steaks with bone, chicken thighs, to see how he ate them, with
still some ground for meals. then suddenly he wouldn't touch the
ground meat and would only eat solids. Its been fairly easy and gone
great since then. The only question I have is what bones I shouldn't
let him eat. He has organ meat, raw meaty bones and meat chunks from
chicken, beef, pork, fish, sometimes lamb, and sometimes rabbit, not
picky at all. Specifics on what parts of these animals I shouldn't
feed him would be great.

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3b. Re: First Message Since Joining 1 Question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:22 pm ((PST))

The main bones you need to avoid are the weight bearing bones of large
critters...elk, moose, beef...actually most beef bones are too hard for the
majority dogs to consume. Plus cut bones with sharp edges (steaks) and
necks which are far too small and can be a choking hazard.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "thetouch2026" <mitchmiedus@hotmail.com>

I started giving him whole
fish with the ground meat to wean him to solids because he would
swallow whole chicken necks and i didn't like that. I then gave him
beef steaks with bone, chicken thighs, to see how he ate them, with
still some ground for meals. then suddenly he wouldn't touch the
ground meat and would only eat solids. Its been fairly easy and gone
great since then. The only question I have is what bones I shouldn't
let him eat. He has organ meat, raw meaty bones and meat chunks from
chicken, beef, pork, fish, sometimes lamb, and sometimes rabbit, not
picky at all. Specifics on what parts of these animals I shouldn't
feed him would be great.

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3c. Re: First Message Since Joining 1 Question
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:27 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "thetouch2026" <mitchmiedus@...>
wrote:
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> The only question I have is what bones I shouldn't
> let him eat.

You are doing great. You have learned and progressed over time. I
don't feed my Great Danes beef bones at all. A few people do feed
beef ribs. The leg bones of LARGE animals is about all you don't
want to feed.

> Specifics on what parts of these animals I shouldn't
> feed him would be great.

Anything you buy in the grocery store will be ok to feed assuming
it's not too small like chicken necks or wings. As far as whole
carcasses, my dogs don't eat intestines or stomach contents. Some
dogs do. It's ok if they do.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4a. Re: Whole turkey for gorge meal?
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:24 pm ((PST))

Well, I just gave my two 60-lb girls a 10-lb turkey. Split it right
down the middle and that was their Thanksgiving meal. So, absolutely
feed it to her! She will love it! Mine are now sleeping, fat and
happy. :) And to answer your question about what if she keeps eating -
so what if she does? Let her finish it and then don't feed her for a
day or two. I do that with mine regularly. She may look a little
fatter than normal, but she'll digest it all. Just keep in mind what
her daily allowance should be (if she seems "voracious" like she isn't
getting enough, consider feeding her more. Is there a reason you cut
her intake down? What is her activity level like?)

I currently have one grazer and one gorger. The grazer typically
buries hers when she's done with it and then digs it up the next day
and finishes it off. The gorger will eat almost all, if not all of her
meal, at once. She ate all but a wing today, which I promptly stuck
back in the fridge in a plastic bag. I'll give it to her on Saturday.
My grazer gets nothing until Sunday morning.

I hope this helps!

Happy Thanksgiving!

-Steph and the girls

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "K. Gordon Crawford"
<kgcrawford@...> wrote:
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> I have a 16 lb turkey and I'd like to give it to my 16 mos old 120 lb
> bullmastiff and let her go to town. Is this ok? She has been rawfed
> since February and used to eat 2.5- 3 lbs per day but was recently cut
> down to 1.5 - 2 lb per day, usually in one sitting. She is voracious
> and has never been given all that she wants. Is there such thing as
> eating too much? I'd like to give it to her till she gives up, then
> cut it up for future meals - but what if she just keeps eating?
>
> --
> K. Gordon Crawford
>

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5a. Re: What next?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:51 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, skittles888@... wrote:
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> Sorry about that...she is nine years old
>
You can go ahead and change her to two meals a day now if you wish.
In a couple of months if all is going ok, you can change her to one
meal a day. A few months later change her to one meal every other day
if you want to. It's all up to you.

You can go ahead and add turkey or pork to her diet. If all is ok in
a week add whichever one you didn't add first. Assuming all is ok, a
week later add beef, then fish, then organs, then whatever you want to.

When I add a new protein source I don't go "whole hog" with it. I
will feed it a couple of meals or so a week. In other words, if I am
adding turkey to the diet, I don't feed turkey excsusively for the
next week. I will only feed a couple of meals or many alternate it
with the chicken.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6a. Re: only eats with people
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:26 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "hiideel" <hiideel@...> wrote:
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> More recently he has been refusing to eat unless we go outside and
> stand there with him.

You have several choices here.
1. Let the poor dog eat inside. (That's my choice)
2. Do what you've been doing but be tough enough to see it through.
3. Stay outside with the dog while he eats.

> but my husband and I don't want him to go without food,
> especially if he begins to eat it at this time.

Then you have choices #1 adn #3. If you are not tough enough to
carry out #2, don't attempt it. You are doing more harm than good
by caving.

> Has anyone else dealt with this?

Many have delt with dogs refusing to eat a particular food for one
reason or another. I have never heard of the exact problem you are
describing but the cure is no different than the others.

> Should we just keep taking it away afer 15-20 minutes if
> he doesn't eat?

Thats an option if you are strong enough to do it.

> What is the longest time a dog will not eat (without it
> being unhealthy for the dog?)

A week or so as long as he drinks water.

Your easiest option by far is just let the poor dog eat inside.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6b. Re: only eats with people
Posted by: "hiideel" hiideel@yahoo.com hiideel
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:27 pm ((PST))

We, unfortunately, do not have the time to watch him all the time
(especially in the morning) as it takes him a good 10 minutes to
eat. I check on him through the window as I am doing my morning
routine which includes preparing raw food for our other animals.

Thanks for the response though,
Heidi

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Shelly <StuartLittle@...> wrote:
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> Why not just stand outside with him all the time? We sit outside
and watch
> our dogs eat every day while we have our morning coffee. We really
enjoy
> watching them enjoy their food.
>
> Shelly
>
> On Thursday 22 November 2007 15:03, hiideel wrote:
> Hi,
> .......
> More recently he has been refusing to eat unless we go outside and
> stand there with him. ......
> ....The longest he has gone without eating is 1-2 days and then we
cave in and
> stand outside with him!
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Heidi
>

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6c. Re: only eats with people
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:00 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "hiideel" <hiideel@...> wrote:

> More recently he has been refusing to eat unless we go outside and
> stand there with him.

A lot of my clients' dogs do that when they get nice stuff to eat.
Mine does that too. She even takes her food to me, if I don't stay
with her (which might get messy, lol!!) to make sure I don't want to
eat it myself. If I leave her alone with something nice, she waits
until I'm back. And if I still don't want to eat it then, she goes ahead.
To help your dog, I'd stay with him. And yeah, like Bill said- let him
eat inside.

Jennifer

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7. Does this sound okay for a feeding plan?
Posted by: "Jennifer" jenniferfoeller@yahoo.com jenniferfoeller
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:00 am ((PST))

I'm just starting to look into feeding raw to my dogs and cats.. I was
wondering if anyone here feeds mice or rats to their cats? The reason
I was wondering is because I currently buy frozen mice for my pet
snake and my cats have gotten into them a few times while I was
defrosting them for the snake and really seemed to enjoy them..
I would think of course that I probably wouldn't want to use them as a
main food source, but what about say 2 days a week with whole mice, 1
day a week with whole fish, and then a combination of chicken backs
and hearts for the other days?
I'm still in the research stage, so I was just wondering as I feel
like I'm totally lost here.
Thanks..

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8a. Need to share the excitement!!
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:00 am ((PST))

I don't know anybody else who understands how great this is, lol!!
My supplier for venison (ribs which thick slabs of meat on them, the
upper parts of the legs with lots of meat on them, and organs- liver,
spleen, kidneys and heart)told me that I could get a huge supply until
Xmas (season's over until next fall then). I was so sad that my
freezer can't hold all that, and he said "hey, get another one". We're
broke, so that didn't seem to be an option. But!!! I found a used
cheapo one, that doesn't eat much power either! We pick it up today,
and I already have the first 80 lbs of venison waiting!
Woohoo! =D I'll be able to store enough venison to last until next
season!!
Sorry for the ramble. I'm so happy!

Jennifer with Mandy from Germany

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8b. Re: Need to share the excitement!!
Posted by: "Eddie Scholten" shirl-ed@hotmail.com shirley11964
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:44 am ((PST))

Hi Jennifer (and Mandy)!

We are obviously on the same time zone and so we're awake and posting at the same times.

Congrats on your venison supply and new freezer! I can well imagine how important and exciting that is for you. And I can't help but wonder if your supplier is near enough for us to drive over there and get some too!? I am not yet able to source all the food we'll need for our pup as he grows. We often go shopping in Germany, usually to Kleve. But anywhere within a reasonable distance is always do-able.

Shirley (Ed, Connor & Floris in Westervoort).

To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.comFrom: jenniferhell@web.deDate: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:48:13 +0000Subject: [rawfeeding] Need to share the excitement!!

I don't know anybody else who understands how great this is, lol!!My supplier for venison (ribs which thick slabs of meat on them, theupper parts of the legs with lots of meat on them, and organs- liver,spleen, kidneys and heart)told me that I could get a huge supply untilXmas (season's over until next fall then). I was so sad that myfreezer can't hold all that, and he said "hey, get another one". We'rebroke, so that didn't seem to be an option. But!!! I found a usedcheapo one, that doesn't eat much power either! We pick it up today,and I already have the first 80 lbs of venison waiting!Woohoo! =D I'll be able to store enough venison to last until nextseason!!Sorry for the ramble. I'm so happy!Jennifer with Mandy from Germany

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9a. Update: Re: Advice please-2 days on raw with variety of stools...
Posted by: "Eddie Scholten" shirl-ed@hotmail.com shirley11964
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:00 am ((PST))

Hello everyone,

(Bill Carnes: thank you for your reply and advice.)

I have been feeding 3-4 meals per day from day 1 (today is day 4) but I'm not sure if I've been giving too much or not because at first I cut a chicken leg in half and gave him the thigh (including part of the back bone) and he ate some and left some. (I assume he only eats what he needs and leaves the rest, which I give him again for a later meal.) So, the next time I gave him the thigh and he ate most of it...the next meal I gave the remaining very small amount of thigh and a drumstick. He ate all. The next meal a chicken back (no skin/little meat).

So, it went pretty much that way that over 3 days he has eaten 3 whole legs (with skin which I have since been removing following that advice). Is a whole chicken leg (drumstick & thigh) too much in one day for a GR pup of 8wks?

In addition to the meaty leg/s I've given him one bony breast/back section per day (very little meat on it and no skin), which he really enjoys.

Since I started removing the skin from his chicken (last night) I have not yet seen an improvement with the runny stools, but it's only been two meals that he's had skinless, so we shall see how it goes on.

But, overall, he's eating with great enthusiasm & enjoyment. So, I will continue with skinless chicken/bone only (I have not fed organs since yesterday morning - as advised).

Any further advice on runny stools or feeding will be most welcome.

Shirley (and Floris).

To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.comFrom: carnesw@bellsouth.netDate: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:51:12 +0000Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Advice please-2 days on raw with variety of stools...

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Scholten <shirl-ed@...> wrote:>> Hello everyone, > > We started our (8wks old today) GR pup on raw when we got him> home 2 days ago.> I wondered if the extra bone I've been giving (bony> breast section) had helped to firm the stools we've seen, but> the almost immediately following runny stools are a> little confusing. Stools don't have to be that messy. How many times a day are you feeding him? I suggest 3 or 4 small meals a day at that age. I also wouldn't feed any liver or any other organs for a month or so. I can't picture in my mind the volume of food you are feeding but it sounds like a lot for a little puppy that size.Feed just the chicken meat and bones only in small amounts and I think things will straighten out in a day or so. Keep feeding the bonier parts and continue removing skin until his stools become more firm.Bill Carneshttp://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htmFeeding Raw since October 2002"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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