[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12298

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Trichinosis
From: angelis20107

2a. Re: Digesting bone
From: Andrea
2b. Re: Digesting bone
From: Sonja
2c. Re: Digesting bone
From: Andrea

3. Re: need a recipe for liver treat for training
From: Andrea

4.1. At my wits end!
From: sltahoek9s
4.2. Re: At my wits end!
From: Sonja
4.3. Re: At my wits end!
From: Mallory Kwiatkowski
4.4. Re: At my wits end!
From: Tina Berry
4.5. Re: At my wits end!
From: Andrea
4.6. Re: At my wits end!
From: sltahoek9s
4.7. Re: At my wits end!
From: Tina Berry
4.8. Re: At my wits end!
From: costrowski75
4.9. Re: At my wits end!
From: Morledzep@aol.com

5a. Re: certain meats cause panting
From: spricketysprock
5b. Re: certain meats cause panting
From: marlena_adema

6a. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
From: merril Woolf
6b. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
From: Tina Berry
6c. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
From: costrowski75
6d. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
From: Tina Berry

7a. question about marrow bones
From: marlena_adema
7b. Re: question about marrow bones
From: Sandee Lee
7c. Re: question about marrow bones
From: Andrea
7d. Re: question about marrow bones
From: Giselle

8a. Re: Enough Variety?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

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1a. Re: Trichinosis
Posted by: "angelis20107" angelis20107@yahoo.com angelis20107
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:29 am ((PST))

HI, I'm not Jolene, but the dog's owner, Shelley.
The answer to a few questions I've seen asked so far: We are a
rabies free country so no, there has not been any rabies vaccination,
we don't vaccinate for that here.

We do have the option to do a muscle biopsy, but have been told by
the lab in the states that will do it that it is unlikey we would get
a definite answer from this. They stated that the part of the muscle
that is biopsied would not necessarily be a part that was infected.
So far we have not found a lab that has a test for Trich. My pup is
very weak and does not have a lot of 'quality' muscle left, so we
have decided against this so far. We have been told this is the only
option we have for testing. And since she has started the treatment
for trich on Saturday, she has showed some improvements. So at this
point it is a wait and see. I do want to say that all 3 of the vets
treating my dog are from the US and Canada. The head veterinarian
went to Louisiana State and is still using them as consult in this
case as well as South Florida Veterinary Specialist. My dog was
scheduled to be sent to Florida for further treatment/diagnosis but
was not going to be allowed to re-enter Cayman due to her breed.

I am positive that she has not had any wild game here as there is not
really a lot here in Cayman! The other possibility is the rat
issue. She is usually is not outside unsupervised, but I'm not going
to positively swear she did not get a hold of a rat. However I have
rarely seen rats in my yard. The pig ears are frozen for a couple of
weeks before she gets them, so that part I do not understand either.
Thank you to those of you who have kindly responded and offered other
suggestions. I am going to check in to the toxic algae issue as
someone else here has mentioned.

Hoping for the best for my girl
Shelley

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "brutus_buckley"
<brutus_buckley@...> wrote:
>
> Jolene,
> If it were my dog, or my friend's dog, I would find a facility
> *somewhere* that could provide the proper testing. Perhaps a blood
or
> muscle sample could be sent out to a lab by your vet.
Unfortunately,
> even if the test confirms that it is trich, it would be difficult
to
> prove the source. FWIW, trich larvae is killed by freezing. This is
> from wikipedia:
> Freezing pork less than 6 inches thick for 20 days at 5 °F
(&#8722;15 °C) or
> three days at &#8722;4 °F (&#8722;20 °C) kills larval worms.
> Pig ears would in fact be less than 6 inches thick but the temp and
> duration of freezing would be unknown.
>
> Being as this is not your dog, are you sure the dog was not fed
wild
> game of any kind? Honestly, in the same situation, I would probably
> jump to the same conclusions you did, but the reality is that at
this
> point they are just that: assumptions. Please find a way to get the
> proper testing done and report the results to us. I sincerely hope
that
> this isn't trich, that it did not come from imported US pork and,
most
> of all, that the bullie recovers.
>
> -Renee W.
>

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2a. Re: Digesting bone
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:30 am ((PST))

> My older lab devoured it, the puppy cleaned off the meat and chewed
> a little bit of the bone off.

Did the pupster have any other meat with the meal besides what she
got off the bone? It's probable that she had too much bone at once
and her stomach decided to return it to sender. Pork bones are more
dense than poultry bones as well so they should take longer to
digest. Perhaps her stomach wasn't up for letting them sit in there
until they were fully digested.

> If bone doesn't get digested by the stomach at all, is it an
> idication that I'm feeding too much bone?

In the case of the leg bone it is probably because the bone was too
large to digest completely.

> She seems to digest duck backs just fine, it's all the other bones
> that seem to not get processed 100%.

Is she swallowing large pieces with minimal crunching? You might try
feeding larger portions that aren't easily gulpable say, a half
chicken instead of a quarter.

Andrea

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2b. Re: Digesting bone
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:52 am ((PST))

>>Did the pupster have any other meat with the meal besides what she
got off the bone?

No, she just had the pork bone with meat on it, and she got a minimal amount
of bone because she knawed on the edges until she got tired and stopped.
What she threw up was a lot of stinky meat with the small bone pieces that
she had managed to get off. We let her re-eat it.

>>>You might try
feeding larger portions that aren't easily gulpable say, a half
chicken instead of a quarter.

I have a few questions on this...how does everyone manage to feed large if
the "large" amount exceeds what the dog's daily intake should be? Should I
feed a whole duck and take it away from her when she's eaten what I think is
adequate? She has zero behavioral issues, so I'd hate to accidentally create
one by stealing her food after every meal. Or maybe I could trade her for a
pork chunk. :-)

Sonja

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2c. Re: Digesting bone
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:02 pm ((PST))

> Should I feed a whole duck and take it away from her when she's eaten
> what I think is adequate?

Exactly. Since she's still relatively new you don't want to let her
eat her fill because she might eat too much and end up with loose
stools. If you want you can slowly work her up to bigger meals down
the line followed by little/no meals the next day.

> Or maybe I could trade her for a pork chunk. :-)

Yup, see, you have the right instincts. Trade for something cool like
a chicken foot or a favorite toy.

Andrea

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3. Re: need a recipe for liver treat for training
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:34 am ((PST))

Do a search on the rawchat list

http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/rawchat

There have been lots of discussions about treats over there, but it's
off topic for this list.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kzyocy" <kzy01@...> wrote:
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> what kind of liver treat recipe can I make or give my 12 week old
> pup, Hercules, for training?

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4.1. At my wits end!
Posted by: "sltahoek9s" crazy4k9@aol.com sltahoek9s
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:52 am ((PST))

I recently posted about my 13 month old labrador excessive panting after eating and
urinating much more frequently, occasionally messing in the house again. She's been eating
raw 2 weeks now.
Last night she panted a little after eating. I took her out and she had a mucousy stool that
was semi-formed. Well early this morning I had the privilege to awaken to the sound of her
liquid diarrhea all over her dog bed and my floor, followed by urination. I'm getting so
frustrated with the messes. It's like she has no control over her bowels anymore. I've kept
her only on chicken. Usually she gets half a chicken a day and the included organ meats
every other day. I've seen no correlation between organ feeding and upset stomach. Once or
twice I've given her just a couple thighs and drums. The change between whole chicken and
parts does seem to correlate to previous diarrhea. The only other thing she has had was an
egg last night for the first time. I figured since it came from a chicken she wouldn't have an
issue. Any thoughts? Should I try a different protein?
My GSD has always had a sensitive stomach, but he's doing great on pork. He's also had
rabbit and fish now with no issue. Yet my lab, who previously could eat anything it seemed
without upset, can't even stay normal on chicken. I was going to try them both on turkey
over thanksgiving, but now I'm not sure. All of my friends and family think this is justification
not to feed raw, that i'm poisoning her with bad bacteria. I'm at my wits end. Please Help!!!

-Tammy C.-

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4.2. Re: At my wits end!
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:30 pm ((PST))

Are you sure the chicken you're feeding isn't enhanced?? In my experience, the salts in enhanced meats can cause excessive thirst, frequent urination, stomach upset, and heavy panting.

Sonja

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4.3. Re: At my wits end!
Posted by: "Mallory Kwiatkowski" m_k_jesusfreak3@yahoo.com m_k_jesusfreak3
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:30 pm ((PST))

maybr she is detoxing?? when they do that, they get better before they get worse. or she just got a piece of bad meat, and it will pass. I wouldn't give up on raw just yet.
mallory


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4.4. Re: At my wits end!
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:30 pm ((PST))

"Usually she gets half a chicken a day and the included organ meats every
other day"

Hi there - how much does she weigh? Over feeding will cause loose stools;
also you might try taking the excess skin and fat off the chicken for a
couple of weeks. It takes a good month or so for them to adjust to raw.
You might add some plain yogurt or digestive enzymes to help her thru the
transition. Pure pumkin will help the loose stools - I would recommend
giving a couple tablespoons of each daily for awhile.

But I am curious what she weighs - 1/2 a chicken is probably around
2-2.5lbs; my 18 month olds get about
1.5 lbs daily and I run them a mile in the am and a mile in the pm.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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4.5. Re: At my wits end!
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:58 pm ((PST))

Sorry you are having a hard time, Tammy. Have you tried cutting back
on the amount of food she is eating? Half a chicken sounds like a
lot of food for a lab to me, unless you are feeding small chickens.
I think the egg was a little much for her since she isn't doing great
digestively just yet. Here's what I would recommend: go back to
feeding just chicken(or rabbit/turkey/some not too fatty food), no
organs no eggs, nothing else. To be safe you could trim off the
extra fatty parts you see on the chicken. Make sure you aren't
overfeeding her and possibly split the day's food into two meals. If
her stools firm up, keep her on just chicken for about two weeks
before you add in organs or another protein.

As far as the urination goes, I know my pups urinated more often when
they switched over. As the bladder control gets better they just
take a couple of really long pees during the day.

And about the panting, I don't have much of an answer for you. When
my GSP mix was a puppy he used to pant a lot and eventually he just
stopped doing it, no idea why. I have read other posts from owners
who notice increased panting with newly switched dogs. They report
it eventually goes away as well. I speculate that there might be
some connection with a dog suddenly having lots more bio available
energy in the body with the new raw food, but I have no science to
back that up. Makes me wish I studied biology instead of physics.

Take a deep breath and go back to the basics with your girl. Let us
know how it goes, ok?

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sltahoek9s" <crazy4k9@...> wrote:

> I was going to try them both on turkey over thanksgiving, but now
> I'm not sure. All of my friends and family think this is
> justification not to feed raw, that i'm poisoning her with bad
> bacteria. I'm at my wits end. Please Help!!!

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4.6. Re: At my wits end!
Posted by: "sltahoek9s" crazy4k9@aol.com sltahoek9s
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:01 pm ((PST))

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I'm going to stick with it and try to simplify. I don't think
the chicken is enhanced, but i'm definitely going to triple check before I buy the next set.

My lab weighs 52 lbs. She is small compared to all her siblings and I grew her lean to avoid
potential skeletal problems. Her breeder told me she was undernourished and that had
stunted her growth (his breeding/show dogs are all kept heavy). He told me to largely
increase her food intake. This was right before I switched her. So she is eating almost 5%
body weight. I'm not sure if he's right about her growth or not. I think I will cut her back,
but will she still grow the necessary amounts while staying lean?

Thanks again,

-Tammy C.-

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4.7. Re: At my wits end!
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:07 pm ((PST))

"My lab weighs 52 lbs"

Mine weigh 85-95 lbs and get 1.5 lbs per day. She will still gradually grow
on 100% raw - you don't need to overfeed her - I suspect this is the issue
here. Glad to hear you are going to stick to it - best decision I ever made
for my dogs.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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4.8. Re: At my wits end!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:41 pm ((PST))

"sltahoek9s" <crazy4k9@...> wrote:

> My lab weighs 52 lbs. She is small compared to all her siblings
and I grew her lean to avoid
> potential skeletal problems. Her breeder told me she was
undernourished and that had
> stunted her growth (his breeding/show dogs are all kept heavy).
*****
The breeder is nuts. If you had malnourished your Lab, you'd be
seeing far more fallout than mere size. This strikes me more as a
defense of kibble than any useful support from the breeder.

Kibblefed dogs and pups are doughy; it is sadly not uncommon for a
breeder whose dogs do not have "enough" bone to bulk the dog up in a
ridiculous attempt to fool the judge. It's terribly unfortunate that
some judges are indeed fooled by such dietary legerdemain.

He told me to largely
> increase her food intake. This was right before I switched her.
*****
Depends of course on the size of the chicken you are feeding half of,
but--for my 55lb Lab when she was not too old--half a normal chicken
was too much food. Not that she didn't want to try, just that the
results were, um, counterproductive. A leg quarter was a fine meal
for her, much to her dismay.

I think you should take the girl back down to 2% or so if that amount
is good for her; the breeder be damned. If you've got a sow's ear
(not that you do, don't misunderstand), don't try to make it into a
silk purse--make it the best gosh darn sow's ear anyone ever saw.

If you feel she can use some extra food (probably she doesn't,
probably your instincts are spot on), don't increase her meal size;
increase the daily intake gently over time AND feed the increased
amount in multiple small meals so she can digest everything.

Growing is as much genetics as it is nutrition. My guess is you got
a small Lab, and it may even be that the breeder with intent selected
for you--a mere pet owner--a puppy that was judged not to be show
ring material. How nice to be able to blame one's breeding foibles
on the dog owner.

Ignore the breeder. Feed your girl food that sustains and nourishes
her in amounts that allow her to digest the food and actually benefit
from it. When she's fully growth, she's fully grown.

Skip a meal or two, cut back on her intake, cut out everything but
her primary protein, and don't expect overnight miracles. You can do
this!
Chris O

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4.9. Re: At my wits end!
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:46 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/20/2007 11:53:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,
crazy4k9@aol.com writes:

I've seen no correlation between organ feeding and upset stomach. Once or
twice I've given her just a couple thighs and drums. The change between
whole chicken and
parts does seem to correlate to previous diarrhea. The only other thing she
has had was an
egg last night for the first time. I figured since it came from a chicken
she wouldn't have an
issue. Any thoughts? Should I try a different protein?

Tammy,

Eggs are known for their ability to cause canon butt.. you might want to
backoff on the eggs for awhile. They are great food for dogs that can tolerate
them, but if they give your dogs the squirts it's probably not worth it.

The difference between whole chickens and chicken parts is that the parts are
almost always enhanced. And when you buy whole chickens you have a fighting
chance of not having them enhanced.

also, it might be the difference in the AMOUNT of food. Dogs that are new to
raw don't always tolerate BIG meals well. most grocery store birds are about
5 lbs, and half of that is 2.5 lbs. which unless your lab is as big as my
wolfdog (150 lbs), is a LOT of food in one meal. And in the beginning, big
meals can cause loose stools.

i don't know how long you've been feeding raw, and if it was in your post i
must have missed it. I think that sticking with one meat that isn't setting
well with your dog for more than a couple weeks is counterproductive. So if you
feel the need to change to a new type of meat, then by all means, do it.

Catherine R.

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5a. Re: certain meats cause panting
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:01 pm ((PST))

I don't know what's causing this, but logic would say to simply stop
feeding your dogs pork. With enough variety, pork isn't a necessity at
all.

Jess & Toby

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Felicia Kost <saphiradane@...> wrote:
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> I was wondering if ceratin foods, such as pork would make a dog hot
and panting. My dogs have been raw fed for almost a year now. Every
time I feed a pork shoulder the dogs pant all night long.

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5b. Re: certain meats cause panting
Posted by: "marlena_adema" marlena_adema@yahoo.ca marlena_adema
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:46 pm ((PST))

Interesting you say that, cuz I just gave my dog a marrow bone (first
time) and she too seemed to be panting afterward, but not
excessively. I thought it was just excitement... Hmmmm.
Marlena

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6a. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:03 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne J" <suzjoxx@...> wrote:
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> Just wondering what the long-term (positive) effects of raw feeding
> are. I started my dogs at ages 7 and 5 years. I'm wondering if anyone
> has an older dog they've been feeding since it was a pup, and what your
> experience is, versus a dog that was fed kibble for several years
> first. Are the always-raw fed dogs way more healthy?
>
> Suzanne
>

My experience has been that they rarely see a vet except for rabies shots and athletic
injuries related to their weekend jobs.
No dentals, no allergies.....no nothing.
Healthy into old age. Die of age related illnesses or mental instability. Average age: 16.

I did feed a 50/50 kibble/raw diet back in the late 80's-early 90's so I do have some
experience with kibble. Raw since 1977 to the present with the aforementioned dabble in
kibble.
Only time my dogs had a dental was during the kibble/raw years. None prior or since.

Never had a dog with cancer. (touch wood).

I do feed extreme variety from day one. Everything from regular meat to some foods that
has me or the person's watching going 'aaaggghhhh' and frequently.

I've not ever had any dogs with any digestive upsets. Doesn't happen. Everything goes
down enthusiastically and stays down. :-)) Never had a picky eater either.

Not sure what else I can say. I don't usually preach the raw diet to anyone and let my
dogs do the talking. They are out every weekend competing and they speak for
themselves.

Positive effects?...

Gleaming coats
no vet visits
clean teeth
no dentals
healthy glowing dogs
longevity
healthy old age
one touch immune system
tough stomachs
eager eaters
happy content dogs
easy back-yard cleanup!
no gas
good energy when working
no doggy breath
no doggy odor
less bathing

I could go on....

Merril

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6b. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:07 pm ((PST))

"Are the always-raw fed dogs way more healthy?"

Mine is only 3 yrs old; raw fed from 9 weeks; minimally vaxed and has never
been to the vet... never had a reason and he goes everywhere.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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6c. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:13 pm ((PST))

"Suzanne J" <suzjoxx@...> wrote:
Are the always-raw fed dogs way more healthy?
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Since I do not have an older dog that I've been feeding since puppyhood
(unless you could 4 months old as puppy and six years as a long time) I
will let others address that question.

However, about rawfed dogs always being more healthy, I think the
answer is not necessarily. The hitch in your question is the
word "always". No, rawfed dogs are not always more healthy because
there's so much more than diet that affects health. If anyone believes
a species appropriate diet alone can make/keep a dog healthy, I've got
bridge AND some nice bottomland to sell them.

Diet is only part of the equation. It's important--and a dog cannot be
healthy without a healthy diet--but it's not enough, not all by its
lonesome.
Chris O

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6d. Re: How long have you been feeding raw to the same dog?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:46 pm ((PST))

"Diet is only part of the equation."

Ditto - which is why my two 18 mo olds are also vax free/chemical free in
addition to being weaned at 4 weeks onto raw. And not one issue with either
of them - they've never been to the vet either, again, no reason.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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7a. question about marrow bones
Posted by: "marlena_adema" marlena_adema@yahoo.ca marlena_adema
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:04 pm ((PST))

I have read plenty about not giving "wreck" bones as many dogs break
thier teeth. I just got some marrow bones, as I have heard they are
good. Now, I don't know much about bones for dogs, but they look like
the big, weight bearing bones (same as rec bones?) only cut into 2
inch peices. I just want to confirm these are indeed okay to give?

Thanks kindly,
Marlena

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7b. Re: question about marrow bones
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:18 pm ((PST))

Nope...those are indeed the "wreck" bones that damage teeth. Bones should
for the most part be edible unless they are covered with tons of meat (beef
shank for instance) and then removed when the meat is gone.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "marlena_adema" <marlena_adema@yahoo.ca>

I have read plenty about not giving "wreck" bones as many dogs break
thier teeth. I just got some marrow bones, as I have heard they are
good. Now, I don't know much about bones for dogs, but they look like
the big, weight bearing bones (same as rec bones?) only cut into 2
inch peices. I just want to confirm these are indeed okay to give?

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7c. Re: question about marrow bones
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:20 pm ((PST))

Nope, sorry. Marrow bones = wreck bones

Andrea

-- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "marlena_adema" <marlena_adema@...>
wrote:

> Now, I don't know much about bones for dogs, but they look
> like the big, weight bearing bones (same as rec bones?) only cut into
> 2 inch peices. I just want to confirm these are indeed okay to give?

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7d. Re: question about marrow bones
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:26 pm ((PST))

Hi, Marlena!
Nope, those are w/rec/k bones, too!

Any bone labeled recreational, marrow, soup, dog bones are likely to be just
bare, too hard bones that will cause wear or tooth breakage over time.

In addition, 2 inch w/rec/k bones are asking to be swallowed by bigger dogs,
causing obstructions.

Its much better for dogs to provide them with larger meaty parts of critters
to give them not only a meal, but dental, mental and physical workouts and
emotional satisfaction at the same time.

I'd take these bones and get a refund for them where I bought them.

Get a lovely, cheap fresh pork ham or shoulder. LOTS of meat with some chewy
skin, fat and a lovely, mostly edible bone (depending on your dog's size).

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Nov 20, 2007 4:43 PM, marlena_adema <marlena_adema@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I have read plenty about not giving "wreck" bones as many dogs break
> their teeth. I just got some marrow bones, as I have heard they are
> good. Now, I don't know much about bones for dogs, but they look like
> the big, weight bearing bones (same as rec bones?) only cut into 2
> inch pieces. I just want to confirm these are indeed okay to give?
>
> Thanks kindly,
> Marlena
>
>

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8a. Re: Enough Variety?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:47 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/20/2007 10:42:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bob_roth@comcast.net writes:

Should I add canned
salmon?

Is that enough variey? I give no suppliments though I am thinking of
adding some fish oil.

Bob,

no.. you should not add canned salmon, it's cooked and it has a rather high
sodium content. it may be ok to keep on hand for an emergency but it's not wolf
chow.

your dogs' diet seems very heavy on chicken.. you really should investigate
other meats. Try pork, lamb, goat, ducks, turkeys (especially right now), beef
often goes on sale for cheap this time of year.. i've seen 7 bone roasts for
less than $1.50 lb. i cut the bones out and give the big hunks o beef to the
dogs.

fish oil is nice, but unless your dog is demonstrating a need for it, it's
not necessary.

Catherine R.

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