[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12289

There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. turkey for little JRT?
From: rosey031801
1b. Re: turkey for little JRT?
From: costrowski75
1c. Re: turkey for little JRT?
From: v_rod_or
1d. Re: turkey for little JRT?
From: katkellm

2a. Re: What about yogurt? probiotic
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Beef Shortribs? Did I buy the right thing?
From: cynthiashankman
3b. Re: Beef Shortribs? Did I buy the right thing?
From: Giselle

4a. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
From: heather pavelin
4b. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
From: valpascale

5a. got 2 deer
From: mandajenwalker
5b. Re: got 2 deer
From: katkellm

6a. food scales
From: kwrestad
6b. Re: food scales
From: Greta Hill
6c. Re: food scales
From: T Smith
6d. Re: food scales
From: Dee.1725

7. puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: kasiarukszto

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1a. turkey for little JRT?
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:55 pm ((PST))

I have a question. I got a free turkey from freecycle. I know it is ok
for my border collie but how about a jack russell terrier? Is there any
harm in giving too big of meat? I know usually biggger is better but I
am not sure about this.
Cheryl

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1b. Re: turkey for little JRT?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:08 pm ((PST))

"rosey031801" <rosey031801@...> wrote:
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> I have a question. I got a free turkey from freecycle. I know it is
ok
> for my border collie but how about a jack russell terrier?
*****
I think it would be a great thing to put down a whole turkey and let a
JRT have at it. Hard to know how much it would eat; if you are
concerned about the dog not knowing when to quit, take the turkey up
when you think it's time.

Oh, and take pictures.
Chris O

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1c. Re: turkey for little JRT?
Posted by: "v_rod_or" v_rod_or@yahoo.com v_rod_or
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:45 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
> take the turkey up when you think it's time.

Would you then refrigerate the gnawed-upon bird? (Yuck.) Or leave it
out in the yard for a couple of weeks? (It'd get pretty ripe and
maybe attract unwanted critters.)

I got a couple of big turkeys for Spike (he's a 48-pound Dal), but I
was planning to cut them up first. He'd probably enjoy a whole bird,
but how do you feed such a large bird without wasting it?

Rod and Spike
Eugene, OR

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1d. Re: turkey for little JRT?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:29 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "v_rod_or" <v_rod_or@...> wrote:

> Would you then refrigerate the gnawed-upon bird? (Yuck.) Or leave it
> out in the yard for a couple of weeks? (It'd get pretty ripe and
> maybe attract unwanted critters.)

Hi Rod,
When i feed big food like whole turkey, heads, ... i just leave them
in the yard 24/7 until the thing is eaten. I live in Illinois and
only feed huge, leave in the yard stuff when its colder and no
flies-Oct through April. You could remove and refrigerate the turkey,
but its kind of cool if the big food lays around because your dogs get
to eat whenever they feel like it not when you decide to feed them.
I live in the country and have never had critter trouble in regards to
the meat laying around. Just what works for me, KathyM

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2a. Re: What about yogurt? probiotic
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:02 pm ((PST))

"dholloway26" <dholloway26@...> wrote:
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> How often is that fed? Is it daily basis?
> thanks again, newbie for now but hope to "get it soon"
*****
You'll get it soon. Really.

There is no feeding guideline for yogurt because there's little use for
yogurt in a species approprriate raw diet. You can feed it as a treat
however you choose but it doesn't pack enough good biota at feedable
levels to be a functional probiotic. If you were to feed enough yogurt
to make a difference, you'd be feeding way past bowel tolerance which
sort of defeats the whole purpose.

If your dog needs a probiotic, find a good human grade product. If
there's no reason to supplement with a probiotic, don't.
Chris O

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3a. Re: Beef Shortribs? Did I buy the right thing?
Posted by: "cynthiashankman" ShankMa4@aol.com cynthiashankman
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:09 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...>
wrote:
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The ribs are about 2.5 inches wide by 9 inches
> > long.
> *****
> Yup, them sound like short ribs all right. They are separated,
right?
> How much meat does the package offer, compared to bone?
>
Hi Chris ~
No they are not separated; they are one long strip.
I wouldn't say they are particularly meaty. So probably not that
much meat compared to bone.

>
> >Can I give this to my dog? My dog weighs
> > 30 lbs. and is a very good chewer.
> *****
> I don't know if a 30lb dog can polish off a short rib. I don't
think
> my border collie can but she's am ambitious eater so I think I'll
pass
> on them.

My dog is a Tibetan Terrier. If you don't think a border collie
could get through the short ribs, I would think a Tibetan Terrier
might not be able to make it through either????

I'm perfectly content to feed boneless beef or to
> offer a completely inedible bone that's slathered in meat (like a
fully
> fleshed out shank).

What do you mean by fleshed out shank? Do you mean a shank with alot
of meat? If I wanted to buy that, what would I call it?
>
> If you think your girl is a considerate eater, she may do fine on a
> short rib: Either chomping through it without haste, or ripping off
the
> meat, worrying the ends and edges but leaving the greater part of
the
> bone unravaged. My guess is this is a "try it and see" situation.
>
> Fat lotta help, hey?

Yes, it's helpful ... but I'm not sure what to do??? LOL. So when I
read about people feeding beef ribs, what are they referencing, spare
ribs? short ribs? I want to feed it to him, BUT I don't want to send
myself into high stress worrying about him eating it. I get this
stress feeling when he is eating bone, not all the time, but there is
always a bit of tension in me.

Thanks,
Cynthia

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3b. Re: Beef Shortribs? Did I buy the right thing?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:02 am ((PST))

Hi, Cynthia!
Hmm, this may help;
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts_photos/beef.pdf
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts_photos/beefchart.pdf

The cuts labeled back ribs, short ribs, or either of the brisket cuts with
ribs I would avoid with a dog the size of yours or larger.

I feed my Newfy Bea the type called rib set in the aussie chart (mine have
the meaty part cut off) in slabs of 3-4 for a
snack-keep-her-busy-make-it-seem-like-a-meal on a day or three after a big
gorge meal. There's fat and a little meat and connective tissue for
'flossing', but its not a real meal, and these are NOT edible bones, imo.
Just busy work. I take the bones up and toss them when she's done stripping
off the fun stuff. And, I keep an eye on her, and trade her a treat if she
comes across a loose chunk of beef bone - if she chews and swallows these,
they always come back up later, and Bea's got a cast iron digestive system
usually.

If you have boughten short ribs, they *might* be OK for a chew toy for your
dog, but they *are* of a size for stupid eating (Chris!) or swallowing and
they aren't, imo, a meal. Better to feed beef heart for meals, not too hard
to find and pretty cheap, ime.

The shank is shown in this chart, but is better fed to a dog whole, not cut
so that the bone is in little circles that are easily swallowed;
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts_photos/beefchart.pdf

HTH
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

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>
>
> What do you mean by fleshed out shank? Do you mean a shank with a lot
> of meat? If I wanted to buy that, what would I call it?<snip>
> Yes, it's helpful ... but I'm not sure what to do??? LOL. So when I
> read about people feeding beef ribs, what are they referencing, spare
> ribs? short ribs? I want to feed it to him, BUT I don't want to send
> myself into high stress worrying about him eating it. I get this
> stress feeling when he is eating bone, not all the time, but there is
> always a bit of tension in me.
>
> Thanks,
> Cynthia
>
>

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4a. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
Posted by: "heather pavelin" hpav061378@yahoo.com hpav061378
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:10 pm ((PST))

I have 2 greys and have been feeding raw for about 3 months now. My boy had a sensitive tummy on kibble and now he is great. My greys coats have become beautiful and their teeth are nice and shiny! I feed chicken and pork and organs havent gotten to the beef yet as I am scared for my boys tummy so I am going to start slowly with that one. They are getting their own turkey for thanksgiving this year I am so excited! Good luck and just make the plunge it will be worth it. I also dolnt clean up half as much poop which is always a good thing. Heather

GreysareGreyt <greyzz@sbcglobal.net> wrote: --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Michelle Urbano" <chelleu@...>
wrote:
>> I have two rescued greyhounds that I would like to start feeding raw.
> Was just wondering if there are any other owners that have gone to
> this diet and how their dogs have done.
> >
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4b. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
Posted by: "valpascale" valpascale@yahoo.com valpascale
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:03 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Michelle Urbano" <chelleu@...>
wrote:
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> I have two rescued greyhounds that I would like to start feeding
raw.
> Was just wondering if there are any other owners that have gone to
> this diet and how their dogs have done.
> Thanks
>

Hi Michelle,

I'm new to the group and have just recently started transitioning
from kibble (ack! dirty word!) and canned food to raw, so I'm still
figuring things out and learning what my dogs like and don't like. I
have one greyhound, about 56 lbs, 4 years old. Her name is Ginger.
I also have two min pins that are going raw with mixed results so far
(one LOVES it, the other is still not sure what to do with the
RMBs).

So far, for RMBs Ginger loves turkey & chicken necks, rabbit, and
whole chicken wings. I've learned that whole turkey necks and
chicken leg quarters are too much for one meal - she hoards them
instead of eating them. She likes chicken and pork for muscle meat,
but she's not too keen on chicken liver in large chunks. She loves
fish, but that's expensive so is a rare treat.

I will say this, Ginger is much more excited about meal times than
she used to be. And her poop is firmer than before also - a big
concern for greyhound owners ;-) !

Hope this helps!
Valerie

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5a. got 2 deer
Posted by: "mandajenwalker" walker1031@chartermi.net mandajenwalker
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:44 pm ((PST))

My hubby got two deer in the last couple days and we are looking for
ideas on how to process it....I guess the question is, what bones can
the dogs eat on the deer?
Thanks
Mandy

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5b. Re: got 2 deer
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:30 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mandajenwalker" <walker1031@...>
wrote:
I guess the question is, what bones can
> the dogs eat on the deer?

Hi Mandy,
I feed all deer bones to my dogs provided they are covered with meat.
Once the leg bones are stripped down to bare naked bones, i just
remove and toss them. The legs are the only bones that i think you
should remove. The rest, including the head, imo, are edible. KathyM

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6a. food scales
Posted by: "kwrestad" kwrestad@yahoo.com kwrestad
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:29 pm ((PST))

I am looking to purchase a food scale to help weigh my dogs' meat.
Any suggestions? Places to buy them?

Thanks for the help!
Kyle R

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6b. Re: food scales
Posted by: "Greta Hill" GretaHill@aol.com sunstate23
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:51 pm ((PST))

When I needed to put one of my dogs on a diet, I bought a cheap scale
from Walmart.

Greta

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6c. Re: food scales
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:52 pm ((PST))

YESSSSS
I have a few different scales for mailing items & work great for weighing
food too.
The cheapest is the little plastic ones used in weight loss :-)
OR a postage scale works well for a few dollars (check ebay)!
Trina

On Nov 17, 2007 8:49 PM, kwrestad <kwrestad@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am looking to purchase a food scale to help weigh my dogs' meat.
> Any suggestions? Places to buy them?
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Kyle R
>
> __
>

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6d. Re: food scales
Posted by: "Dee.1725" dee.1725@yahoo.ca dagmarhnadeck
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:40 am ((PST))

Hi

I bought a digital scale at Wal-Mart for $24.99 (Canadian) and am very happy with it. Use it every day to weigh my dogs food.

Dagmar H.

----- Original Message -----
From: kwrestad
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 11:49 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] food scales

I am looking to purchase a food scale to help weigh my dogs' meat.
Any suggestions? Places to buy them?

Thanks for the help!
Kyle R

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7. puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "kasiarukszto" kasiarukszto@yahoo.com kasiarukszto
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:44 am ((PST))

Hi,

this is my first post. My french bulldog puppy has been on pre-made raw food for a week
and is not doing well. here's what happened. i started him on beef and organ mix (no
bone). i planned on using just beef for the first few weeks to make sure he tolerates well.
the first 3 days were great - loved the food, one normal poop a day, no problems. on 4th
day, his poop was loose so i thought i need to add some bone to his diet and bought a
ground beef/ground bone mix. but because it had to thaw out he still had two meals of
meat/organ, and only meat/bone at night. i also gave him some yogurt and a bit of
pumpkin.the next morning his poop was a little loose but better. so i fed him the meat/
bone mix for the whole day with some pumpkin in two of the meals. then late last night
(1AM) he had diarrhea and has been throwing up bile.

i haven't given him anything to eat today, but am at a loss for what to do next. is this a
sign he can't eat beef? was it too rich to start with? what should i give him to eat next (i
assume i should fast him, right?)?

i will take him to the vet of course to make sure he's otherwise fine, but i don't want to
give up on raw feeding, and am not sure that my vet will have much advice there (he's not
against, just not his area of expertise). i should say that unitl today (when the bile throw
up started), he's been feeling fine (active, drinking water, alert), so i don't think he's got a
virus.

thanks for any advice (and constructive criticism:),

kasia

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