[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12279

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: New to list
From: Joni
1.2. Re: New to list
From: aliciamyan
1.3. Re: New to list
From: Bumble1994@aol.com
1.4. Re: New to list
From: Joni
1.5. Re: New to list
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: Stunned
From: Yasuko herron

3. bones for puppies
From: icemama68

4a. Re: problems on raw food
From: steph.sorensen
4b. Re: problems on raw food
From: Sandee Lee
4c. Re: problems on raw food
From: Yasuko herron
4d. Re: problems on raw food
From: Stephanie Sorensen
4e. Re: problems on raw food
From: Salvador Gonzalez Jr.
4f. Re: problems on raw food
From: spricketysprock
4g. Re: problems on raw food
From: Yasuko herron

5. Um, Brains?
From: Jen Craver

6a. Re: puppy constipated
From: cmhausrath

7a. Chinese Crested gulper
From: iluvshortlegs
7b. Re: Chinese Crested gulper
From: Salvador Gonzalez Jr.
7c. Re: Chinese Crested gulper
From: Yasuko herron

8.1. Chicken Backs
From: windmilldairy
8.2. Re: Chicken Backs
From: Mallory Kwiatkowski
8.3. Re: Chicken Backs
From: Mallory Kwiatkowski
8.4. Re: Chicken Backs
From: Michelle
8.5. Re: Chicken Backs
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

9a. Re: I need a new vet!!
From: Shannon Parker

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1.1. Re: New to list
Posted by: "Joni" naturalbeautyandnutrition@yahoo.com naturalbeautyandnutrition
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:19 pm ((PST))

Ok, I have a suggestion for you.It may work,it may not work,but
remember rawfeeding is balance over time,yeah?
>
> so,you do not have to feed bone all the time and also,some dogs
do better with 20% bone intake and some is ok with 10%.It depends.
>
> However,if you stick to 10% bone intake,how about doing this
method??
>
> 4ozx4days=16oz which is1lb sharp,right?
>
> If you wanted to feed roughly 10% bone,you can feed 1.6oz of bone
every 4 days and rest is boneless 14.4oz.
>
> Usually,1 chicken feet weigh about 1.5oz so, 1 chicken feet every
4 days if you understand.
>
> It does not have to be exact amount of number so,you can bump up
the bone to 2oz and 14oz of boneless meat for 4 days time.
>
> and if yourdog had poo prob without any bone during 4 days
time,then,you can feed every 2 days. 4ozx2days=8oz(half pound)
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> So,about 1oz of bone in every 2 days. and rest is boneless.
>
> you can adjust that over-time.
yassy

Thank you yassy, that is a very big help. I thought I had to feed
bone everyday. She has done so well on this raw diet so far. I don't
want to make it hard on her now because of adding bones into her diet.
So thank you thank you. I am going to go for it and do it the way you
talked about. I think that will work better. I am also going to go by
what allot here have said, to get small game like hens etc. I think
that will be easyier to not give her to much.

I have a hard time with my disabilities to cut things up and cut into
small pieces. So I think just getting small game with help with that.
Then the worst I have is cutting it into a few pieces.

Joni

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1.2. Re: New to list
Posted by: "aliciamyan" alicia_larson@msn.com aliciamyan
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:31 pm ((PST))

Joni,

Technically, the butcher I contacted isn't "selling" me the meat
(heart, tongue, liver). They are "giving" me the meat but charging
me the cost of cutting and wrapping - the same cost to the farmer who
brought the animal in to be butchered. Often the person purchasing
the meat isn't the farmer who brought the animal in to be butchered.
The butcher will cut and wrap the offals not knowing if the customer
will want them. When the customer comes to pick up the meat, and
they turn down the offals, and the farmer doesn't want them either,
then they sit in the freezer or go in the trash. The butcher was
pleased to get the stuff out of their freezer and get reimbursed for
their expense. You might try that angle with the butcher and see if
they could work with you on that. Be sure to explain you are feeding
it to your dogs, not humans.

You might consider watching your local paper and see which farmers
are advertising meat and contact them directly about purchasing the
offals from them. They probably use the same butcher you contacted
and after a few visits picking up your orders from the farmers, you
can build a relationship that might open a door for more
opportunities.

Hope that info helps.
Alicia

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Joni"
<naturalbeautyandnutrition@...> wrote:
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> I just called the only butcher in my whole area. He said they can't
> sell any of the scraps like organs or anything. He said he didn't
> even know if it was legal to sell and that he gets it from farmers.
> Something about a contract or gave me the impression that he is not
> allowed to sell any of the scraps but has to throw them away.

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1.3. Re: New to list
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:02 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/14/2007 7:19:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, "Joni"
writes:

But my dog can only have about 4oz a day. That would be such a small amount
of bone that I don't know how to work it out.
I gave her a turkey thigh today with the bone. I cut some of the meat
off to give her tonight. But the thigh bone maybe more then the 10%.

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That's about how much my cats need. I feed some meat with something that has
a bone in it about every 4th or 5th meal (feeding twice a day), a piece of
liver or kidney for organ meat (just found some sweetbread) gets thrown in also
about every 4th or 5th meal, and the rest of the time, they get good old
meaty meat. :)

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1.4. Re: New to list
Posted by: "Joni" naturalbeautyandnutrition@yahoo.com naturalbeautyandnutrition
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:05 pm ((PST))

> will want them. When the customer comes to pick up the meat, and
> they turn down the offals, and the farmer doesn't want them either,
> then they sit in the freezer or go in the trash. The butcher was
> pleased to get the stuff out of their freezer and get reimbursed
for
> their expense. You might try that angle with the butcher and see
if
> they could work with you on that. Be sure to explain you are
feeding
> it to your dogs, not humans.
>
> You might consider watching your local paper and see which farmers
> are advertising meat and contact them directly about purchasing the
> offals from them. They probably use the same butcher you contacted
> and after a few visits picking up your orders from the farmers, you
> can build a relationship that might open a door for more
> opportunities.
>
> Hope that info helps.
> Alicia

That info was very helpful, I will give it a try.
Joni

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1.5. Re: New to list
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:59 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Joni"
<naturalbeautyandnutrition@...> wrote:
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> In my area there is not much to choose
> from and anything that is natural is so expensive. But I am afraid
> that if I feed my animals hormones and antibiotics that are in the
> meat they will gain more weight and they may get immune to the
> antibiotics so that if they ever do need them they would not
> have the effect the antibotics should.

Joni,
Chicken doesn't have hormones and rarely does it have antibiotics.
Hundreds of millions of people and tens of thousands of dogs eat
chicken every day.

I don't buy into the paranoia about grocery store foods. I eat all
kinds of meats and feed all kinds to my dogs. I pay no attention to
grassfed or hormone free or enhanced or any of that stuff some
people are so terrified of.

> But also most are
> saying 10% of the amount you feed should be bone and no more.

Don't worry about percentages. They are arbitrary numbers that have
no meaning. You need to feed mostly meat, some bone and some
organs. Exact amounts just don't matter. You don't have to feed
bone every day.

> But my
> dog can only have about 4oz a day. That would be such a
> small amount
> of bone that I don't know how to work it out.

Feed meat every day. Sometimes feed bone. Sometimes feed organs.
Sometimes feed meat only.

> I gave her a turkey thigh today with the bone. I cut some of
> the meat off to give her tonight.

I don't think you will ever want to take meat off the bone.

> But the thigh bone maybe more then the 10%.

It's close to 22% bone.

> I might have to try graigs list or whatever it is called.

craigslist is a good source as is freecycle. BUT ... the meat you
get from those places came from grocery stores most of the time.

If you have a freezer you can but in bulk and save a lot of money.
Check the small independent grocery stores about buying in bulk from
them. Visit in person. I never had any luck on the phone.

Check with local restaurants (not the fast food chains) and find out
where they buy their meats. Get yours from the same place they do.
Again, you will have to buy in bulk.

> I am just nerves from some of the stuff I heard about the list.

Don't be. There is nothing to be afraid of. Some people here will
feed rotten stinking meat to thier dogs but they won't feed grocery
store meat. Just doesn't make sense. If you will eat meat in a
restaurant or from a grocery store, your dog can too. Think about
it.

> I also am
> finding that going to the websites you all have given links to
> is so costly to buy with the shipping. I just don't know if I
> can afford that.

Don't worry about it. Your local grocery stores have everything you
need. Most of us buy grocery store meat. 99% of the people in the
country eat meat from grocery stores. I bet most of these people
that are afraid to feed it to their dogs eat it regularly. I bet
they also give their dogs tap water to drink and think nothing of
that.

> There must be a way to keep the cost down and still feed them
> enough meat and different kinds.

Yep, lots and lots of ways.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: Stunned
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:19 pm ((PST))

>Reily is maintaining his some what overweight. 90 lb be better for him.That is on the low side for his size .,But with his bilateral knee dysplasias it is better if he were on the skinny side. I was feeding him a pound and a half, and he was gaining.

What food are you feeding?? Possibly quite fatty food?? Like mutton??

Do you excersize your dog??

> I wonder ,just to add more eggs and hart (low fat) to his diet to bring up the
protein in his food .

Look at this site.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c201n.html

Egg is 63% fat.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c21Dd.html

Lamb tongue is70% fat

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20ts.html

Beef heart is 32% fat.

You can look up fat % on thissite and choose what you feed and how much you feed.

No wonder my dog could not torelate 4oz of lamb tongue when I just introduced her months ago....

I still do feed lamb tongue but lower amount of food with other meat to have so-so-fat% with so-so kcal she can burn,not excessleft to become fat in body.

I recently changed my idea on feeding my dog to loose a pound or two for long back body(corgi). If I feed 10oz roughly without any fat restriction,she be usually gets more than 600kcal per day andfat% be above 50% most of the time. She did gain weight 5lb after switching to raw although we do walking too.

I then thought that kcal she takes from food is too much for her activity level so,I lowered the kcal rather than food amount and mix and match meat when I feed high fat item like lamb tongue,I check on this site and keep the fat % around 40%.she isgetting about 450k to bit over 500kcal per day thesedays.

We go for walks 2 times a day and she lost 0.6lb so far.Not much but at least,not gaining.

yassy

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3. bones for puppies
Posted by: "icemama68" icemama68@aol.com icemama68
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:31 pm ((PST))

Hello,

I want to give my 10 week old puppies some bones to chew on- which are
the best for puppies? They are Portuguese Podengo Medio puppies- grown
up they will be about Whippet size.

Thank you,
Allison Jones-Michigan

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4a. Re: problems on raw food
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:33 pm ((PST))

Wow, I always cut the fat off of their pork and beef just because I
don't like feeding them fat (I think fat on meat is gross - it takes me
about an hour to pick through a piece of brisket that I'm eating). Now
I'm glad I do it for another reason!

Thanks for the info!

-Steph and the girls

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nora Lenz" <nmlenz@...> wrote:

I think fat is responsible for a lot of problems that dogs
> experience on the raw diet.
>
> Best wishes,
> Nora
> UltimateK-9Health@yahoogroups.com
>

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4b. Re: problems on raw food
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:44 pm ((PST))

Except that it's nonsense, Steph! :) *You* might think fat is gross, but
your dogs don't and it is a necessary part of the diet. Low fat isn't
healthy for canine or human!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "steph.sorensen" <steph.sorensen@yahoo.com>

Wow, I always cut the fat off of their pork and beef just because I
don't like feeding them fat (I think fat on meat is gross - it takes me
about an hour to pick through a piece of brisket that I'm eating). Now
I'm glad I do it for another reason!

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4c. Re: problems on raw food
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:57 pm ((PST))

>I always cut the fat off of their pork and beef just because I don't like feeding them fat (I think fat on meat is gross - it takes me about an hour to pick through a piece of brisket that I'm eating

Hi,steph. I clip visible glob of too much fat pieceif it exist but other than that,I don't cut off fat. When you have goatrib,there is quite thick fat skin-like and I tend to cut off some of it but I don't cut off every tiny piece of fat.

I cut most fat skin of Duck piece but it is just because she cannot torelate well on piece of Duck meat that has fat skin on.If she gets torelate well,I will leave fat on.

I may look amount of Duck piece to feed for fat intake but,I don't worry about fat on if dog can torelate ok with it.

Some fat is needed for Energy for dog.

yassy

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4d. Re: problems on raw food
Posted by: "Stephanie Sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:57 pm ((PST))

I know. :) Trust me, they get WAY more fat on their meat than I do on mine. I just don't like the way it tastes. Yuck. >:-P It's just that the beef brisket they've been eating on this week was about 40% fat. I just think that is a little too much, don't you? Should I not trim it anymore? It does make the final product weigh much less than the product I bought.

Interested to know others' thoughts on this. My girls are also quite gassy, which I've found is cut back by feeding less fat.

-Steph and the girls

Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:
Except that it's nonsense, Steph! :) *You* might think fat is gross, but
your dogs don't and it is a necessary part of the diet. Low fat isn't
healthy for canine or human!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "steph.sorensen" <steph.sorensen@yahoo.com>

Wow, I always cut the fat off of their pork and beef just because I
don't like feeding them fat (I think fat on meat is gross - it takes me
about an hour to pick through a piece of brisket that I'm eating). Now
I'm glad I do it for another reason!

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4e. Re: problems on raw food
Posted by: "Salvador Gonzalez Jr." salgonza@sbcglobal.net salgonza22
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:57 pm ((PST))

So if the dog is to eat 10% fat.

Lets say 80lbs dog eating 2% of his weight.

He shouldn't have no more than 2.56oz of fat?

From: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Howard Salob
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:46 PM
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Re: problems on raw food

Dear Nora,

Well said! I am a chiropractor and you could not of said it more
appropriately. You gave the science and the raw feeding rule is 10% fat- no
more.

Sincerely,

Howard

Nora Lenz <nmlenz@speakeasy.net <mailto:nmlenz%40speakeasy.net> > wrote:
Hi Mike,
I just wanted to comment a bit more on the vomiting of yellow bile,
which my dog used to do regularly, even after being raw fed for many
years. I desperately sought advice from veteran raw feeders and all I
was ever told was that I needed to feed more often. I finally figured
out the problem on my own, and resolved it, after much thought and
research. Bile's function in the body is to break down fats, and when
a dog is over-fed fats, the body is forced to produce more of it than
it normally would. When a dog anticipates a meal, bile is secreted in
preparation for digestion. It enters the stomach, where it would
normally mix with food. When there is no food present, bile irritates
the stomach lining and the body's response is to get rid of it hastily
via vomiting. The answer isn ot to keep food in the stomach so the
bile always has something to do, but to get the dog on a low-fat diet
so that the body will stop producing so much bile. My dog used to
vomit bile almost everyday and it probably took a year or more on a
low fat diet before it stopped completely, but now he *never* vomits
bile. I had to cut WAY back on his fat consumption, to the point of
feeding very low fat meats -- quail, venison, game hens, all trimmed.
All of the other symptoms he used to experience have gone away too,
so I think fat is responsible for a lot of problems that dogs
experience on the raw diet.

Best wishes,
Nora
UltimateK-9Health@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:UltimateK-9Health%40yahoogroups.com>

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4f. Re: problems on raw food
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:02 pm ((PST))

I think both are valid causes. I'm glad you posted this... when I first
switched my dog to raw, he threw up bile all the time because his
stomach wasn't used to being empty. He adjusted in a few weeks and
hadn't thrown up for months. I recently got him a whole chicken that
was very fatty, and the day after eating some he vomited yellow bile
several times, very likely because of all the fat he'd eaten.

Jess & Toby

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> "Nora Lenz" <nmlenz@> wrote:
> >The answer isn ot to keep food in the stomach so the
> > bile always has something to do, but to get the dog on a low-fat
diet
> > so that the body will stop producing so much bile.
> *****
> I would argue that a healthy dog can indeed consume quite a bit of
> fat.

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4g. Re: problems on raw food
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:23 pm ((PST))

>So if the dog is to eat 10% fat. Lets say 80lbs dog eating 2% of his weight. He shouldn't have no more than 2.56oz of fat?

I think people are confusing with organ %. I do not think you can find diet consists of 10% fat in meal. Even lean Turkey has 38% fat.

Like chris hassaid,10% is for oegan intake which is 5% liver andrest is kidney etc.

And,other 10% you find on this list is with bone intake.Too much bone cause constipation and, too much bone is too much calcium and too less other important nutrients you find in meat..

I am kind of wondering if you were thinking bone equal to fat because bone has marrow in it.

But I do not think making diet with 10% fat intake is impossible unless the diet is based on carb or something.

And, question is,if there were diet that has 10% fat in it,how do they calculate fat in diet??
I do not think it is possible...fat is in meat,fat is in bone marrow,fat in skin etc..

I do not think fat 10% rule exists.. maybe mistook with something else..

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5. Um, Brains?
Posted by: "Jen Craver" jcraver1@nc.rr.com ncrnrgrl
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:57 pm ((PST))

I recently got 60# of you name it meat products, some organs, some whole prey, pretty much you name it, including a thing of pork brains... ? Do you guys feed brains? Am I being a newbie sissy? :)

Thanks,
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6a. Re: puppy constipated
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:35 pm ((PST))

"vickies_28" <vickies_28@...> wrote:

> I have an 8 mo old puppy on raw for about 3 months. Now, he is
> constipated, hasn't gottten any poo for 2 days straight. I didn't
feed
> him any bone for the past 5 days at all. lately been beef and
liver.

My dog has had longish poop-free periods -- 2-3 days, perhaps.
Particularly if he's been eating meat only. It would seem -- though
I say this based only on my impression, not on any external
reference -- that he's digesting **everything** that comes in, and
there's no excess to be gotten rid of.

Curious: why the 5-day stretch with no bone at all? Coincidence, or
something intentional?

> He doesn't seem to be sick or upset or anything. What do I do?
Should
> I worry? I gave him yogurt today in the morning - still nothing.

If he doesn't seem upset at all, why should you be? Seriously, I
wouldn't worry about it. Whatever he's eating is either being
digested, or it'll eventually come out somewhere. If he doesn't seem
uncomfortable -- straining to poop but unable, or with a distended
belly, or unable to lay down comfortably, etc. -- I don't see what
there is to worry about.

Also curious: why yogurt? Some dogs are very tolerant of
inappropriate foods like yogurt; others have digestive upheaval when
given dairy products. For the record, I don't believe that all food
items must always be perfectly healthy and species-appropriate -- my
dog likes oatmeal cookies, and I like ice cream -- but I DO believe
that any time you're concerned about your dog's health (as in,
thinking your pup is constipated), that's NOT the time to be adding
random, species-inappropriate foods.

IMO.

-- sandy & griffin

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7a. Chinese Crested gulper
Posted by: "iluvshortlegs" iluvshortlegs@yahoo.com iluvshortlegs
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:23 pm ((PST))

I have two dogs that I have been feeding raw for about 3 years now, a
20 lb. standard doxie and a 50 lb mixed breed, both are nice gnawers.
I recently brought home a 9 lb. 6 mo. old Chinese Crested from the
shelter I work at, and this little guy gulps down the chicken I started
him out on. I've been cutting it into bite sized pieces since he
almost swallowed half a chicken wing. He does just fine with a beef
rib since he has absolutely no chance of swallowing it, and must chew
and tear the meat from the bone. Any other suggestions for feeding?
Also, if there are other crestie raw feeders on this list, is this
going to help his acne?

Kris

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7b. Re: Chinese Crested gulper
Posted by: "Salvador Gonzalez Jr." salgonza@sbcglobal.net salgonza22
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:51 pm ((PST))

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Maybe trying leg quarters and cut off some of the mean. That might slow him
down with the longer bone.

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7c. Re: Chinese Crested gulper
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:51 pm ((PST))

> I've been cutting it into bite sized pieces since he almost swallowed half a chicken wing.

Hi,kris. I think the smaller the piece is,the more tempting for dogs to swallow whole.

If you feed chicken wing,then,make sure it still attached to breast part and,this would allow dog to slow down and no swallowing whole.

Buy a whole bird and cut up to your dog's portion,no 1inch dice cube chunks or isolated tiny parts of bird in meal anymore.


this should help.but again,dog do not necessary chew like us and they crunch food till they get small enough size to swallow so,it is like crunch crunch swallow.

If piece was small enough,they never chew.

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8.1. Chicken Backs
Posted by: "windmilldairy" drwindmill@gmail.com windmilldairy
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:24 pm ((PST))

Just wondering what others are paying for cases of chicken backs..

Pat

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8.2. Re: Chicken Backs
Posted by: "Mallory Kwiatkowski" m_k_jesusfreak3@yahoo.com m_k_jesusfreak3
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:51 pm ((PST))

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where are you all getting cases of chicken backs? or cases of anything for that matter. I have been feeding 5 dogs raw from the grocery store, and i just can't do that anymore. where do you all go?

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8.3. Re: Chicken Backs
Posted by: "Mallory Kwiatkowski" m_k_jesusfreak3@yahoo.com m_k_jesusfreak3
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:51 pm ((PST))

where are you all getting cases of chicken backs? or cases of anything for that matter. I have been feeding 5 dogs raw from the grocery store, and i just can't do that anymore. where do you all go?
mallory.
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8.4. Re: Chicken Backs
Posted by: "Michelle" michelledearden@mac.com michelledearden
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:12 pm ((PST))

Hello I am paying .47 per lb for organic chicken necks and backs

Michelle Sharpe

On Wednesday, November 14, 2007, at 07:24PM, "windmilldairy" <drwindmill@gmail.com> wrote:
>Just wondering what others are paying for cases of chicken backs..
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>Pat
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8.5. Re: Chicken Backs
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:12 pm ((PST))

Not enough meat on the backs for my dogs, I do the whole chickens, when I did do backs, I got them for .40 a pound. But like I said, not enough meat on them to pay for them any more.
Jeni

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9a. Re: I need a new vet!!
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:24 pm ((PST))

Hi There,

Just stop telling your vet you feed raw. They are the last person you should look to for an unbiased opinion, so just tell them you feed a high quality kibble. Most dog-related issues won't be a result of your diet, especially if you're on raw.
Shannon

hungrymoses <hungrymoses@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Is there anyone out there who can recommend a vet in the Montreal area
that won't tell me what an idiot I am for feeding my dog a raw diet?
I've already been to three that have warned me of the horrible danger
I'm putting my dog in. Please help...

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