[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12269

There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: How many times a day do you think adults dogs should eat?
From: carnesbill
1b. Re: How many times a day do you think adults dogs should eat?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: FIRST DEER
From: susrob061174
2b. Re: FIRST DEER
From: JustTom

3a. Re: Beginning - Deer and Other Questions
From: costrowski75

4a. High BUN and raw meat?
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: Organic or Non Organic
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: Is the raw honeymoon over??? LOL
From: linoleum5017
6b. Re: Is the raw honeymoon over??? LOL
From: miensasis

7. is this turkey ok to feed???
From: MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com

8a. Caught my dog with a joint
From: JustTom
8b. Re: Caught my dog with a joint
From: jennifer_hell

9. Nutritional content of raw meat
From: Evie

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1a. Re: How many times a day do you think adults dogs should eat?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:02 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Kathy Roop <naps2003@...> wrote:
>
> It seems like our adult dogs are gaining weight, do you think
> I should cut the adult down to one feeding and keep the pups on two?

It's not the number of feedings but the amount of food that controls
weight. If you cut down to one meal and feed the same amount/day,
nothing will change. If you want them to lose weight you must feed
less/day.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1b. Re: How many times a day do you think adults dogs should eat?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:03 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/11/2007 5:17:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
naps2003@yahoo.com writes:

It seems like our adult dogs are gaining weight, do you think I should cut
the adult down to one feeding and keep the pups on two?

Kathy,

I've NEVER fed adult dogs (dogs over 1 year old) more often than once a day
unless they had health issues that required them to eat more often.

Since we've been feeding raw we've been feeding less often than that. We
found that the dogs can eat more and and lose weight if we feed larger meals
every other day rather than smaller meals every day.

We have an American Bulldog (8 years old) with mobility issues caused by an
accident she had as a puppy before she came to us. if she gains even a couple
lbs she has trouble walking and even when she's at her best she has trouble
running. If we feed her every day she has to eat less than 1/2 lb. Feeding
the way we do i can hand her a hunk of something that's anywhere from 1 lb to 2
lbs every other day and she keeps her girlish figure and is able to nearly
keep up with the pups.

Catherine R.

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2a. Re: FIRST DEER
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:07 pm ((PST))

In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "feejeffrey" <feejeffrey@...wrote:
<<<Just wanted to know what all I can keep. Butchering myself.>>>

Congrats on the Deer!!!! Its so much easier when someone calls you to
ask if you want a deer. I get one every other day.

I'm sure I may be a little late in telling you what to keep if someone
has already chimed in, but just in case no one has the following I
would keep.

Heart, kidneys, liver, lungs, panceras (ms), any meat that you can get
off, the rump has the most meat. I keep the shoulders and the top part
of the legs, hips and femur part of the back legs and the ribs. If you
are worried about CWS, I would not keep the head, neck, back and tail.
When you cutting the meat from the bones, make sure you leave some
meat on the bones.

Good luck,

Susanne, Courtney and The Danes
www.streborsgreatdanes.com

Life is grand when you love a Dane. Have you licked your Dane today? :oP

If you dont know, ask. If you dont ask, wont know.

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2b. Re: FIRST DEER
Posted by: "JustTom" general.woundwort@yahoo.com general.woundwort
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:42 am ((PST))

--- feejeffrey <feejeffrey@yahoo.com> wrote:

> just got my first deer from sheriff. Just wanted to
> know what all I can
> keep. Butchering myself.

I'm guessing you already know how to do it, but for
those who don't, this might be of some use:

http://cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/_circulars/circ508.pdf

And this:
http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Butchering-Livestock-Game-Mettler/dp/0882663917/ref=pd_sim_b

tom

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3a. Re: Beginning - Deer and Other Questions
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:21 pm ((PST))

"jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...> wrote:
> Best join the RawCat group. And check out rawfedcats.org.
*****
There's nothing like a crowd of similarly cat-challenged rawfeeders for
support--moral and tactical. Yes, the rawcat list is recommended.

As far as I
> know cats prefer their meat very fresh,
*****
I suspect this is a myth begun and maintained by cats, although I am
sure there are some rawfeeders who find this works best. I don't have
many rawfed cats to my name (I'm only starting on number three) but
none of them--even cat number three--has been the least bit concerned
about the "very freshness" of its meat. In fact, they seem to mind
cold much more than old.

so it would probaby be best to
> freeze fresh chicken in portions instead of leaving the chicken in the
> frigde while feeding your way through it.
*****
Maybe yes, maybe no. Unless the cat is specifically against such a
supply, there's no reason not to feed through a bird.
Chris O

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4a. High BUN and raw meat?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:38 pm ((PST))

"Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Here is the study.....
>
> http://www.antechdiagnostics.com/clients/antechNews/2003/jun03_02.htm
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Thank you for posting this link, Sandee. I was sure there was a way to
present the information without having to reprint the entire article.
I appreciate your taking the time to locate this.
Chris O
Moderation Team

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5a. Re: Organic or Non Organic
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:45 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Greta Hill" <GretaHill@...> wrote:
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> Hold on there - it says Minimally Processed AND has 12% chicken broth
> in it? That's very misleading. I better double check all the fine
print
> on the labels.
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
*****
The Tyson chickens Winco sells and the SaveMart house brand are both
minimally processsed AND enhanced. FF and Sanderson Farms (FoodsCo)
are not.
Chris O

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6a. Re: Is the raw honeymoon over??? LOL
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:27 am ((PST))

Nancy,

If Riley is turning up his nose, I am inclined to think he is being
fed overmuch, perhaps? (don't know the wheaton wheight ideal)....
can you easily feel his ribs? If not, then try feeding less each
meal, but keep the meals fitting the 80%10%10% ratio, (over time.)

Rotsa Ruck,
Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
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>> I am approaching the two month mark of raw feeding my two
wheatens.
> (YEAH!!) Riley, always the picky and light eater, took to the raw
> chicken with gusto ...<snip>... today I fed him a bone-in chicken
breast with some additional boneless thigh meat and a smidge of
liver...and the little sucker looked disappointed.
> Nancy
>

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6b. Re: Is the raw honeymoon over??? LOL
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:16 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "linoleum5017" <linoleum5017@...>
wrote:
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> Nancy,
>
> If Riley is turning up his nose, I am inclined to think he is being
> fed overmuch, perhaps? (don't know the wheaton wheight ideal)....
> can you easily feel his ribs? If not, then try feeding less each
> meal, but keep the meals fitting the 80%10%10% ratio, (over time.)

Lynne...

At our vet visit a couple of weeks ago, the vet said Riley's weight
was ideal. He called him "very trim" and yes...we can feel all of
his ribs as well as his hip bones. Some time has passed since that
day and I'm certain now that Riley was simply trying to hold out for
something "better". We're just a few weeks into raw and started with
chicken-only meals. We had just started adding variety, but this day
we went back to the usual chicken and he was expecting something
else. We pretty much let him know that what we give is what he
gets...lol...so there hasn't been a repeat of this behavior from
him. He now eats the chicken and everything else with gusto!

Nancy

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7. is this turkey ok to feed???
Posted by: "MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com" MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com mustbluvspaniels
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:41 am ((PST))

in our local Stop and shop flyer. they have shady brook farms turkeys on
sale for $.59 a pound. I looked up the description on the company's web site.
this is what it said.


Fresh Whole Turkey
Product Description
Shady Brook Farms® Fresh Whole Turkey is all-natural, minimally processed
with no additives or preservatives.
Is this turkey good to feed to my dogs? What does Minimally processed mean?
They are frozen, so If I thaw them enough to chop them up, is it safe to
refreeze them and feed later? Thanks Lisa
PS small brag. My Raw fed Puppy won his his 1st points at a show this
weekend.

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8a. Caught my dog with a joint
Posted by: "JustTom" general.woundwort@yahoo.com general.woundwort
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:42 am ((PST))

HI,

I sent out a note a few days ago bragging about my dog
being a natural and how the chicken was no problem.
Much to my surprise, she stopped eating it on
Wednesday, and wouldn't do more than sniff it since.

Knew she wasn't starving, so figured she'd found a
treasure somewhere.

Went out the back door this morning, and sure enough,
there was a leg joint and portion of a shoulder of a
small deer. I guess hunting season came early for
somebody, though I don't understand why they wouldn't
have taken it. Meat on leg perfectly intact, but
skinless, like it was straight out of an anatomy
class, so she's working her way down.

My question: Even though she's obviously been working
on this since at least wednesday, I'm thinking I
should still wrap it up and freeze it for a few weeks
to be on the safe side? Does everyone else tend to
let their venison have some time in the freezer before
giving it, or do some give it fresh?

thanks,
tom

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8b. Re: Caught my dog with a joint
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:09 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, JustTom <general.woundwort@...> wrote:
> Does everyone else tend to
> let their venison have some time in the freezer before
> giving it, or do some give it fresh?
>
I always get a lot at once, so I feed fresh for a few days and freeze
the rest.

Jennifer

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9. Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "Evie" archie.willow@yahoo.co.uk archie.willow
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:09 am ((PST))

Hi,

Does anyone here have a link to a website that shows the nutrional
content of raw meat. I'm on a general dog website and want evidence to
show that meat is not 100% protein as a few of the members there are
insisting it is. (Doing my best to spread the word!) They are mostly
homecooked diet feeders aware of the evils of kibble.

Regards,
Evie

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