[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12264

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Exciting Discovery Close to Home/Sweetbread Question
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: Newbie with questions-
From: Laurie Davis
2b. Re: Newbie with questions-
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: questions?
From: katkellm
3b. Re: questions?
From: Shirley
3c. Re: questions?
From: delcaste

4a. Doesn't like chicken or turkey, was No Subject
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: Info needed please...on wild game
From: katkellm

6a. The PERFECT puppy toy!
From: gusmyhairyboy
6b. Re: The PERFECT puppy toy!
From: Sandee Lee

7a. Re: FIRST DEER
From: Maria

8. Dogs Gulping Their Food
From: Susan Fortune

9a. First lamb shanks....a success!
From: miensasis
9b. Re: First lamb shanks....a success!
From: Yasuko herron

10a. deer chest carcus
From: MORGAN LEWIS
10b. Re: deer chest carcus
From: Maria
10c. Re: deer chest carcus
From: costrowski75
10d. Re: deer chest carcus
From: Sandee Lee
10e. Re: deer chest carcus
From: MORGAN LEWIS
10f. Re: deer chest carcus
From: costrowski75

11a. yeasty ears
From: Mundi Smithers
11b. Re: yeasty ears
From: Sandee Lee

12a. feeding heart
From: Lynette
12b. Re: feeding heart
From: costrowski75

13a. Re: oh, I forgot.....
From: sarahfalkner

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1a. Re: Exciting Discovery Close to Home/Sweetbread Question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:51 am ((PST))

Giselle <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, well, Chris, I read about ten entries to every one I post, so
I may
> not always choose the ones that are the most informative, I do try
for
> simple clarity. >;->
*****
LOL I'm not blaming you for what Wiki publishes! The author should
have put the conclusion up front and the details to follow. I'll go
looking for elementary my dear Watson stuff...no pop quizzes, open
book only.

In terms of feeding thymus though, if one feeds whole prey one is
there; if one looks to feed a variety of body parts from a variety of
critter one can be there without much ado. And since a. the thymus
gland (and any other gland for that matter) is small and b. not every
wolf would get every part in every feeding, there is little need to
get all strung out about the thymus's role in a good raw diet.

Not that you are getting all strung out about it...but somebody will,
I'm certain of that.
Chris O

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2a. Re: Newbie with questions-
Posted by: "Laurie Davis" lauried0001@yahoo.com lauried0001
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:56 am ((PST))

Hi-

Thanks for responding- the reason I don't add raw egg whites is they
contain something (gosh, the name escapes me right now- avidin, I
think?)- it intereferes with vitamin-B absorption, or something like
that. If you cook the whites, it goes away, but then I'd have to
cook 'em!!

Maybe I am overkilling on some things here- just wanted to make sure I
wasn't missing anything they need.

Your furbabies don't have any problem breaking up the bones? It sure is
a lot of added work to grind all that mess- maybe now, since they are
getting used to the taste, I can change the texture a little at a time.

Thanks again for your post- it has been almost 3 weeks, and the litter
box is already showing one pleasant side effect of raw feeding- the
poops don't smell up the house!

Laurie

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2b. Re: Newbie with questions-
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:20 am ((PST))

"Laurie Davis" <lauried0001@...> wrote:

> Thanks for responding- the reason I don't add raw egg whites is
they
> contain something (gosh, the name escapes me right now- avidin, I
> think?)- it intereferes with vitamin-B absorption, or something
like
> that. If you cook the whites, it goes away, but then I'd have to
> cook 'em!!
*****
Laurie, this is misinformation, has been since the get-go. I don't
know where this baloney starts but it ends here: we have JUST (and I
mean within the last few days) discussed how whole raw eggs sort
themselves out quite nicely without any intervention from us. I
recommend you browse the archives, starting with the very recent past.

These will get you started:
142003 Re: [rawfeeding] the myth about egg yolks
142002 Re: the myth about egg yolks
141967 Re: New raw feeder
131257 Re: Hello and Questions
130543 Re: [rawfeeding] Re: EGGS?
130486 Re: [rawfeeding] Re: New to Raw - Info Overload / EGGS?
Chris O

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3a. Re: questions?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:56 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:
I have been feeding raw since late March
> of this year so I'm new.

Hi Silvina,
I didn't realize that you had been raw feeding that long, and so i am
going to retract my original post, not that it was wrong and you
certainly can take away the food when you eyeball she has had the
right amount and then feed little pieces to another dog, and say that
if your dog is having no digestive issues, you can feed big meals.
What i would tell you then is that my dogs do look distended after a
big meal. They lose that tuck behind the rib curve for a day. I
think that you are starting off feeding big meals the right way. Feed
double and then a small snack the next. As you go along just start
mixing up the amounts you feed and the number of days you skip. At
some point, if your goal is to let her eat to her heart's content,
offer a big turkey and let her eat until she stops eating. Wrap what
she doesn't finish in a towel and put it in the fridge and offer again
the next day. If you feed outside you can just leave it out there and
then your dog can then eat anytime she feels like it. If you
determined that the turkey was 6 days worth of food, that is all she
gets for 6 days. If it takes or 2 days to finish it or if it takes
her 4 days, its all up to her. Of course, you can snack feed toward
the end of the time. I usually skip days and then do a light meal. I
think the great part of this is that the right way to do it is
determined by the dog, not the clock or the calender and the right way
for my dog might not be the right way for your dog. You'll discover
what's right as you go along. When she gets down toward the end of her
turkey you might find that she has had a change of heart about gulping
her food down and that she is content enough to eat politely. JMO,
KathyM

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3b. Re: questions?
Posted by: "Shirley" ssthunderpony@yahoo.com ssthunderpony
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:42 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone who posted. I have been feeding raw since late
March
> of this year so I'm new. My dog started choking and that's why I'm
> feeding Big Food but I guess I'll take it from her when she's eaten
her
> portion. What happens when the portion is so small that she could
choke
> again? Give it to another dog?
>
> Silvina

######### I would just let her finish it and feed less the next day or
skip a day .

Shirley
>

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3c. Re: questions?
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:28 am ((PST))

> What i would tell you then is that my dogs do look distended after a
> big meal. They lose that tuck behind the rib curve for a day. I
> think that you are starting off feeding big meals the right way. Feed
> double and then a small snack the next. As you go along just start
> mixing up the amounts you feed and the number of days you skip. At
> some point, if your goal is to let her eat to her heart's content,
> offer a big turkey and let her eat until she stops eating.

You know it's a pug we're talking about? I think the turkey would make
her pop if she ate it :). She acts as if she had been starved.

As long as her panting is normal, then I'm ok. My big problem is her
choking and I think if I keep giving her Big Food she'll be ok. I'M the
one that needs the help
:(

Silvina

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4a. Doesn't like chicken or turkey, was No Subject
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:01 am ((PST))

marta zadravecz <martiws1@...> wrote:
> I have a 5-year old Irish Water Spaniel. She has been on raw diet
for two months now. She loves beef, mutton, lamb and fish. Our only
problem is that she doesn't want to eat any chicken or turkey.
*****
If you are feeding bone and organs along with the beef, mutton, lamb
and fish, there is no need to worry about including poultry on the
menu. I'd say ignore poultry for the time being, then reintroduce it
later if NOT feeding it concerns you. If you really want to feed
poultry, add meat bits to meals she does like; sort of sneak the
taste/texture in while she's otherwise occupied.

Also check to make sure there's nothing about the birds that would be
offputting.

What makes chicken (and often turkey) useful is its ease. If feeding
chicken isn't easy, don't feed it. It certainly isn't a magic food.
Chris O

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5a. Re: Info needed please...on wild game
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:25 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Marcella Burgess"
<proudfootkennels@...> wrote:

> Everyone we know around us are all hunters, but they wouldn't give
up even the legs for the dogs!
>
Hi Marcella,
Lots of hunters don't process the deers themselves. They take it to a
slaughterhouse to be cut into roasts...So, find out where some of them
get the deer processed and go there. The slaughter house where i go
for stuff saves all dear heads, legs, and lots of bony stuff for me.
I take it all home and if i don't like some of the bones, i just toss
them. KathyM

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6a. The PERFECT puppy toy!
Posted by: "gusmyhairyboy" gusmyhairyboy@charter.net gusmyhairyboy
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:29 am ((PST))

Hi,Suzie G. here

I have found the PERFECT Golden puppy toy.(just like a pacifier)

Deer Head!

My extremely active Golden puppy has been working on this deer head
for several days. She has learned that if she turnes it a certain way
the antlers will stick in the ground and she has the perfect entry
way through the neck. Every day she tunnels a little further to the
brain. Luckily it's in the low 30's this a.m. and we have a fenced in
yard.(I'm not sure what the neighbors would say even up here in wild
Northern Mn:) )

We're having SOOO much fun watching Maggie discover the world of raw
food.

When given a whole rabbit she has learned to eat the head first, and
tunnel her way through the neck to the good stuff. She actually turns
the body inside out eating everything as she goes.She leaves a
perfectly licked clean tube with one foot attached. She has been able
to eat the whole rabbit with fur of a younger rabbit. She has some
nice adult teeth but still has baby ones . I'm thinking that the
thicker fur and hide of older rabbits is stiil a little tough for
her teeth.

I just had to share my pride in my Smart,5 mo. old Golden girl!!

Suzie G.

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6b. Re: The PERFECT puppy toy!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:39 am ((PST))

Isn't raw feeding fun???? After all these years I still love watching my
dogs eat, especially when it comes to weird stuff like heads. Fortunately I
live in a remote area where we actually have Winter so, like you, leaving
heads and various other parts out in the yard is an option. :)

I'll tell you what really is entertaining and keeps them occupied....frozen,
buried in snow hides! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "gusmyhairyboy" <gusmyhairyboy@charter.net>

My extremely active Golden puppy has been working on this deer head
for several days. She has learned that if she turnes it a certain way
the antlers will stick in the ground and she has the perfect entry
way through the neck. Every day she tunnels a little further to the
brain. Luckily it's in the low 30's this a.m. and we have a fenced in
yard.(I'm not sure what the neighbors would say even up here in wild
Northern Mn:) )

We're having SOOO much fun watching Maggie discover the world of raw
food.

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7a. Re: FIRST DEER
Posted by: "Maria" plava_93@yahoo.com plava_93
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:29 am ((PST))

Depending on the size of your dog they can probably eat all the bones
except for the leg bones, and all of the meat is fine for them. I
give them whole goat legs (the same as deer)and just let them rip the
meat off. Below is a list of stuff to keep, ignore the male parts if
the deer was a doe.

Testicals

Pizzle

Lungs + Trec

Liver

Head

Heart

Tripe

Pancreas

Kidneys

Spleen.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "feejeffrey" <feejeffrey@...>
wrote:
>
> just got my first deer from sheriff. Just wanted to know what all I
can
> keep. Butchering myself.
> thanks Jeff
>

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8. Dogs Gulping Their Food
Posted by: "Susan Fortune" desperatelyseekingsusan@cox.net cactususan
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:58 am ((PST))

I have two gulpers--a 9# Miniature Pinscher & a 30# Australian Cattle Dog who is the closest you'll get to having a coyote on a leash. My other two are a 40# Akita-Aussie Shepherd mix & a 90# yellow lab.

The gulpers both get their raw food frozen solid. They want to cart it off to their bed to gnaw on it, but are restricted to their feeding stations. The exception is when I just get back from a "hunt," and feed them straight from the package...but either way, it doesn't bother them--just me!

Susan
"If there are no dogs in heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."
--Will Rogers

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9a. First lamb shanks....a success!
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:58 am ((PST))

As the weeks go by since I started raw feeding, I'm moving more and
more toward feeding bigger, more whole pieces of animals. Today I gave
my dogs lamb shanks I got from the Amish market this week. I just put
a slice in the side of the leg so that they had a piece of meat to grab
onto and they were both off and running. They chewed most of the meat
off in the kitchen and then I transferred the bone and whatever was
left to their crates and let them gnaw away. Its 90 minutes later and
they have those bones picked clean but are still going at it. Riley is
so funny...he is laying on his side with the bone pulled in very close
with his paws...almost like he is spooning with his "lover". LOL I'm
wincing at the loud sound of their teeth against that bone, but I'm
trusting the info I got here that the bones are edible and won't wreck
their teeth. Up until now they've only worked on poultry bones.
BTW...this is the first time ever the dogs have used their paws to
eat. It is pretty cool!

Also, today was another first in that I tried raw with three of my five
cats. Advised to go slow on the raw cat list, I cut some raw pork into
little tiny pieces and mixed it in with some canned tuna. All three
ate it as well as the pork. I'm pretty excited!

Nancy

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9b. Re: First lamb shanks....a success!
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:28 am ((PST))

>Today I gave my dogs lamb shanks I got from the Amish market this week. then I transferred the bone and whatever was left to their crates and let them gnaw away. Its 90 minutes later and they have those bones picked clean but are still going at it.

Hi. I feed lamb but since I read it shard so sharp and,I have never fed it to my dog.Lamb bone my dog gets are from Neck and rib only.

The shank did not shard sharp??? I ask this because I have never fed so,I do not know about it..The bone itself was not too hard for dog??

>BTW...this is the first time ever the dogs have used their paws to eat. It is pretty cool!

Yes,the more the meal gets complicated and need more workout on it,I think my dog tends to use paws. Feeding Ribs are one of those meal and I like watching her placing paws on bone and strip the meat off with front teeth and,she works the same way for silver skin aswell and,it is interesting,and cute:-P

When I fed big meal of goat leg,she put biggest mouth bite she chould give and placed paws on meat and ripped off and tackling with heavy huge meal from one side to the other,dragging it with wabbly walks since it was so heavy meat block,lol.It was so funny.
She did not finish it off this 5lb leg so,she can have it another time and,save some fun for later too.

Next Saturday,my dad will come visit us from Japan,and if I feed this leg meal on Thanksgiving day for palette and let him watch how she eats,he would be shocked,lol.

yassy

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10a. deer chest carcus
Posted by: "MORGAN LEWIS" shadowland22000@yahoo.com shadowland22000
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:59 am ((PST))

Have a friend bringing me a chest carcus complete. sugestions please on the best way to feed to 2 GSDs. Morgan

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10b. Re: deer chest carcus
Posted by: "Maria" plava_93@yahoo.com plava_93
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:32 am ((PST))

Take a hack saw and cut right down the middle of the chest, then cut
down one ide of the spine to separate the ribs from it. You will then
have 2 pieces, with with spine one without. Choose how many ribs you
want on each piece then cut the meat between them they will come
appart, you will again need the hack saw fot the spine. I cut the meat
on the ribs and pull them apart then slide the saw between the ribs and
cut. I just feed 3 or 4 ribs in one piece.

Maria

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> Have a friend bringing me a chest carcus complete. sugestions please
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> Princess, CGC, TDI, GSDCA Health Award
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10c. Re: deer chest carcus
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:38 am ((PST))

"Maria" <plava_93@...> wrote:>
Choose how many ribs you
> want on each piece then cut the meat between them they will come
> appart, you will again need the hack saw fot the spine. I cut the
meat
> on the ribs and pull them apart then slide the saw between the ribs
and
> cut. I just feed 3 or 4 ribs in one piece.
*****
Maria, when you relate how many ribs you feed per slab, it would be
good to include how big your dogs are. For my retrievers, three or
four ribs are hardly worth my effort. For a small dog, three or four
ribs might be the score of a lifetime.

Best to let us know, so that we can plan accordingly.
Chris O

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10d. Re: deer chest carcus
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:34 am ((PST))

For the Danes, I just cut it in half cross-wise between the ribs. It was
really easy...just a kitchen knife did the job other than cutting through
the spine...I used a pruning shears to get through it!!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "MORGAN LEWIS" <shadowland22000@yahoo.com>

> Have a friend bringing me a chest carcus complete. sugestions please on
the best way to feed to 2 GSDs. Morgan

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10e. Re: deer chest carcus
Posted by: "MORGAN LEWIS" shadowland22000@yahoo.com shadowland22000
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:55 am ((PST))

These are 2- 80 pound GSDs that have been fed chicken, lamb, turkey, pork chops and ribs for 3 years along with hearts, kidneys and liver. How do I feed the organs in the deer. Have 8 large rabbits on order. Morgan

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote: "Maria" <plava_93@...> wrote:>
Choose how many ribs you
> want on each piece then cut the meat between them they will come
> appart, you will again need the hack saw fot the spine. I cut the
meat
> on the ribs and pull them apart then slide the saw between the ribs
and
> cut. I just feed 3 or 4 ribs in one piece.
*****
Maria, when you relate how many ribs you feed per slab, it would be
good to include how big your dogs are. For my retrievers, three or
four ribs are hardly worth my effort. For a small dog, three or four
ribs might be the score of a lifetime.

Best to let us know, so that we can plan accordingly.
Chris O

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10f. Re: deer chest carcus
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:07 am ((PST))

MORGAN LEWIS <shadowland22000@...> wrote:
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> These are 2- 80 pound GSDs that have been fed chicken, lamb, turkey,
pork chops and ribs for 3 years along with hearts, kidneys and liver.
How do I feed the organs in the deer. Have 8 large rabbits on order.
*****
YOUR dogs can probably grapple quite nicely with slabs that contain
more than 3-4 ribs; I was wondering what size dog MARIE was feeding.

However you've fed other organs is how you can feed deer organs. If
you fed whole hunks of organs and your dogs do well eating that way, do
it with deer. If you have to add organ meat to meals, then expect to
do the same with deer, at least until you find out differently.

What's likely to happen is your dogs will have loose stools because
they aren't accustomed to eating deer organs. This doesn't make deer
organs richer or wrong, just new. New is overcome by time. So if you
don't want loose stools, or if you produce some and want to make them
go away, back off and take more time introducing deer organs to your
dogs.
Chris O

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11a. yeasty ears
Posted by: "Mundi Smithers" amenfarm@wildblue.net duchessduwindsor
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:51 am ((PST))

I have just joined this list and this is my first post. I have been
feeding my two older Standard Poodles a combination of Oma's Pride raw
meat and veggies and RawInstinct kibble with great success. One of the
girls had a chronic problem with yeast infections in her ears and this
diet has cleared her ears. Enter a 5 1/2 month old Standard Poodle
puppy. He is on the same diet and his ears are a mess. My vet is
pretty much anti raw and seems to think he should be on some fancy
schmancy food that they sell. I did a bit of research and found that
the veggies in the raw meat may well be causing the yeast problems. I
am more than happy to change my entire program but need some suggestions
as to what and how much and how often to feed a growing puppy. He now
weighs 41 lbs and is definitely growing .... no airy poodle here. This
boy has enormous paws, a big chest and shoulder and will be a big boy!
Any help will be much appreciated.
Mundi and Cicero

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11b. Re: yeasty ears
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:22 am ((PST))

Hi Mundi,

Not only the veggies in the raw food, but there are a ton of ingredients in
Raw Instinct that would be suspect! Plus the prepared raw foods are notably
high in bone and lacking in meat and fat....not what you want to feed a
growing large breed puppy. They need meat and lots of it! :)

So where to begin? Stop the prepared foods and the kibble....buy a couple
of whole chickens or turkeys, cut into serving sized portions and hand to
dogs. When they are digesting this well, begin adding in other proteins,
red meat and some organs. It's just that simple. Try to feed a variety in
body parts and proteins and you'll do fine.

At 5 1/2 months he should probably be eating a couple of meals per day....if
you have any idea what his adult weight is going to be, start with 2-3% of
that figure per day. It's pretty easy to adjust that once you see how he is
looking.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Mundi Smithers" <amenfarm@wildblue.net>

> I have just joined this list and this is my first post. I have been
> feeding my two older Standard Poodles a combination of Oma's Pride raw
> meat and veggies and RawInstinct kibble with great success. One of the
> girls had a chronic problem with yeast infections in her ears and this
> diet has cleared her ears. Enter a 5 1/2 month old Standard Poodle
> puppy. He is on the same diet and his ears are a mess. My vet is
> pretty much anti raw and seems to think he should be on some fancy
> schmancy food that they sell. I did a bit of research and found that
> the veggies in the raw meat may well be causing the yeast problems. I
> am more than happy to change my entire program but need some suggestions
> as to what and how much and how often to feed a growing puppy.

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12a. feeding heart
Posted by: "Lynette" lraefried@sbcglobal.net cherrysmomma
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:52 am ((PST))

Soon to start the 3rd week of raw! Going good as far as I can tell.
Just need to understand if the heart is considered a meat meal or an
organ?

Also, when it comes to feeding organ; do I just give a tiny bit with a
regular meal?

Thanks,
Lynette

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12b. Re: feeding heart
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:14 am ((PST))

"Lynette" <lraefried@...> wrote:
>
> Soon to start the 3rd week of raw! Going good as far as I can
tell.
> Just need to understand if the heart is considered a meat meal or
an
> organ?
*****
Heart (and gizzard and tongue) is fed as meat, not organ.

> Also, when it comes to feeding organ; do I just give a tiny bit
with a
> regular meal?
*****
I recommend adding dribs and drabs and bits and pieces of new stuff
quite early on; later when the dog is accustomed to the organ--and
when you know the likely result of feeding x, y, or z organ--you can
feed larger amounts, by itself or with other food.

Many people feed heart as a "by itself" meal; my guess is liver is
fed that way less frequently and in smaller amounts.
Chris O

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13a. Re: oh, I forgot.....
Posted by: "sarahfalkner" Sarah.Falkner@gmail.com sarahfalkner
Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:27 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Davis" <lauried0001@...> wrote:
>
> I do remove as much of the muscle off the bones, and dice it for the
> cats, but I am not sure the ferrets can handle the meat
> chunks...Thoughts?
>
>
> Laurie

Laurie,

Ferrets can "handle" live rabbits and chickens twice their size :-)

Our ferrets actually completely gnaw up bones that my cats decide are too big to finish
(usually rabbit femurs and the chicken drumstick bones, also a femur I think). My cats
often leave little scraps of bone, but the ferrets eat every last molecule.

Just give 'em a drumstick and see what they can do. Those teeth may be little but they are
VERY sharp and combined with frenetic mustelid energy, they can chow through pretty
solid chunks of flesh and bone. If they have trouble at first recognizing the drumstick as
food, you can slice the meat a bit to "ribbon" it and/or peel the skin back.

if you've not fed ferrets raw before, you might want to know that sometimes they cache
their food. Are your ferrets caged or free ranging? ours actually like to bury it in their
litterbox!!! gross to us, but it seems to work for them just fine, and in the wild they'd be
dragging rabbits back to their nests and gnawing on them awhile, so that's how they've
adapted... right now we contain them in a wire pen when we're not around, but we hope
to have a large room-size enclosure in which they can be free-range.

we're living in Ireland now and raising our ferrets naturally the way people here have done
for a couple of centuries. here and in england, people have used them to hunt rabbits,
they're working animals traditionally. ours are just companions for the time being.
following the directions of the woman we adopted our ferrets from, we use peat moss (like
you get at a garden center--cheap and all natural!) as their litter and change it every
couple of days. people here put a big turkey drumstick or carcass in their pen and let
them eat off of it for a couple of days until it's gone--nearly the opposite of cats, who
need very fresh meat and are more sensitive to microbes.

I know Yassy told you about Raw Cat, which is great--do you know about the group Raw
Paws? There's ferret-specific info on that, and on Natural Ferrets too--though not
everyone on those lists is prey model, but prey model is supported on both.

Lastly, one thing I've noticed is that all the ferrets we know here in Ireland don't like fish,
and historically, they don't fish even in this very watery fish-rich land--the woman we got
our ferrets from said they peed and pooped on it when she offered them some once! But
they LOVE rabbit, and chicken (which over here people sometimes don't feed, thinking
they won't get a taste to raid the hen-house), and it seems insects are also an important
part of their diet in the wild. We don't go out of our way to feed insects, but we take them
outside so they can catch them.

Have fun, I hope you're soon seeing entertaining sights like two ferrets playing tug of war
over a chicken drumstick and war-dancing the whole time.

Sarah, hominid
Henry & Ivan, felidae
Quercus & Ilex, mustelidae

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