[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12254

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: my dog doesn't like raw.
From: Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)

2a. Re: Feeding Pork
From: Yasuko herron
2b. Re: Feeding Pork
From: Morledzep@aol.com
2c. Re: Feeding Pork
From: cynthia iparraguirre

3a. rawfeeding a pup
From: kim
3b. Re: rawfeeding a pup
From: Tina Berry

4a. ADMIN/Re: Dog not digesting food & food aggression ?
From: costrowski75

5a. beef liver question
From: mrsmenk
5b. Re: beef liver question
From: Morledzep@aol.com

6a. Re: Dog not digesting food
From: Morledzep@aol.com

7a. Re: Dog not digesting food & food aggression ?
From: Morledzep@aol.com
7b. Re: Dog not digesting food & food aggression ?
From: katkellm
7c. Re: Dog not digesting food & food aggression ?
From: MORGAN LEWIS

8a. SMELLY LAMB SHANKS???
From: miensasis
8b. Re: SMELLY LAMB SHANKS???
From: Laurie Swanson
8c. Re: SMELLY LAMB SHANKS???
From: miensasis
8d. Re: SMELLY LAMB SHANKS???
From: MORGAN LEWIS

9a. New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
From: phantasierre
9b. Re: New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
From: Laurie Swanson
9c. Re: New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
From: Doguefan@aol.com
9d. Re: New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
From: katkellm
9e. Re: New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
From: miensasis
9f. Re: New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
From: cynthiashankman

10. Calcium:Phosphorous
From: deborah_flick

11. Poop does not look good - yellow
From: vickies_28

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1a. Re: my dog doesn't like raw.
Posted by: "Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com carolyn.garnaas
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 1:36 pm ((PST))

My dog didn't like raw either. That is, she liked raw chicken
drumsticks, but nothing else. If it were not for this group, I would
probably have caved in to her demands. She refused all other raw food,
and would go for days - up to four days - without eating a single
thing.

Molly's health, which is one of the most important things in the world
to me, would ultimately have suffered from a diet based entirely on
chicken. It was very hard to hang tough, especially when Molly (Toy
Poodle) weighed only two pounds, which is exactly what she weighed when
I brought her home from the breeder. Note, however, that even at two
pounds, she was still a force to be reckoned with! She's a Poodle of
Very Strong Opinions.

She still tests me on this feeding thing from time to time, just to see
if I have changed my mind about her having a balanced diet. I haven't.
Thank goodness I had the wisdom of thousands of rawfeeders on this list
to guide me, hold my hand, make suggestions that were really helpful,
and that ultimately carried the day.

Now Molly happily eats whatever I give her, but she will do handstands
when it's tripe!

Carolyn J. Garnaas and Molly Toy Poodle, A Dog of Extraordinarily Strong
Opinions

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2a. Re: Feeding Pork
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 1:59 pm ((PST))

>What cuts are better suited for my dog & what price should I expect to pay for them?

I do not look "what cut" to get meat for my dog.I rather look meat amount,and if bone is too much etc when feeding.

Here are what I feed for pork Category

*Pork Boneless (chops without bone, boneless pork loin ;I got loin with $1.6/lb),pork butt(I got with $1.6/lb)

*Pork heart
*Pork Tongue
*Pork feet (rec purpose)
*Pork ear(toy)
*Pork Ribs (spare ribs or bb back ribs)
*Pork Necks(I add more meat to this meal)

But did you try feeding Turkey yet?? I saw add today Ukrop in VA sells Whole Turkey 38 cents per pound this week.)

If price was something you concern,I think in this season,maybe Turkey is cheaper than pork.

Pork maybe cheaper in summer due BBQing.

yassy

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2b. Re: Feeding Pork
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 3:00 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/7/2007 10:09:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ladyver@sbcglobal.net writes:

I'm in Southern California and can almost always get unenhanced pork picnic
shoulders and butt roasts for $0.89 - $0.99 lbs on sale.

****I'm with Sonja on this one.. most of the major chain grocery stores in
Southern CA sell pork picnics and shoulder butt roasts for right around $1 lb
and they go on sale for less than $1 lb often.

Alberstson's and Winco are selling enhanced pork. Ralph's, Stater Bros and i
think Von's sell only unenhanced pork (von's is usually kinda expensive so i
don't go there often). I've found that the smaller chains, and the hispanic
grocery stores sell only unenhanced pork and usually for less $$.

Superiour Warehouse almost always has some type of pork on sale and it's not
enhanced. Same with Jon's market in Simi.

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2c. Re: Feeding Pork
Posted by: "cynthia iparraguirre" cyn7711@yahoo.com cyn7711
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 3:10 pm ((PST))

Yup...
She has had turkey legs, rabbit (organs included) some beef (but beef tends not to grab her attention) & of course every single part of the chicken.

She is allergic to fleas (I know, it sucks!) & has had mites before so I really want to built her immune system so that she can better fight these pesty little critters.

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But did you try feeding Turkey yet?? .

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3a. rawfeeding a pup
Posted by: "kim" ksomjen@yahoo.com ksomjen
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 2:00 pm ((PST))

Hey guys -
Haven't posted here for awhile, though I have rawfed
for 6 years, this is my first true pup...

Berlin is an 8 week old doberman bitch. I had planned
to switch her gradually over to raw (she came from a
kibble-feeding breeder) until she was out of her
cone-head stage, as I know how messy my dogs can be
and didn't want meat on either her open edges of the
ears, or the cup that is on her for 2 weeks.

Berlin, however, knows what is best for her, and wants
nothing to do with that. Dumps her bowlful of kibble
on the floor repeatedly until she gets her raw meals!

I'm feeding her between 1-1.5 lbs a day, but she wants
it all in one meal! Last night she ate 1.4 lbs of a
whole chicken and is not interested in eating anything
for the next two meals. I've had to send my older male
in to clean up meals before she keeps eating!

Lord, my 8 week old pup is already gorging and
fasting!

I'm only feeding chicken right now, and I am going to
try to cut her chicken into smaller pieces to get her
2-3 meals a day (I don't feel comfortable leaving this
little one on only one meal a day)... just a little
funny!

This weekend she will get her first dose of rabbit,
and then we will intro beef next week!

How have the rest of you handled the raw little ones?

Kim Somjen, DVM

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3b. Re: rawfeeding a pup
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 3:10 pm ((PST))

"I'm only feeding chicken right now, and I am going to try to cut her
chicken into smaller pieces to get her
2-3 meals a day (I don't feel comfortable leaving this little one on only
one meal a day)"

At 8 weeks I agree; I still fed my pups 3 x daily. I would not cut her
chicken into smaller pieces, but would give her say a leg or thigh one meal,
a bone in breast the next, then the other leg or thigh the last meal.
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4a. ADMIN/Re: Dog not digesting food & food aggression ?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 2:08 pm ((PST))

Please take all food aggression discussion to RawChat, where the topic
may be addressed as long as necessary.

Discussion about digestion may of course continue on the rawfeeding
list.
Thanks.
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5a. beef liver question
Posted by: "mrsmenk" mrsmenk@starpower.net mrsmenk
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 2:15 pm ((PST))

I just got my big box from hare-today. The dogs were thrilled! Now I
need help. I ordered a whole beef liver and need to know how to cut
this up into serving size pieces for my dogs. They have not yet moved
on to organ meat so I am just storing it in the freezer for now. I
have a 130 lb great dane and a 110 lb lab/dane mix. What is a serving
size of liver for them? How do I best cut this thing up and store it?
Thanks so much!

Linda, Luke, Lucy, & Taz (the cat)
No. VA

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5b. Re: beef liver question
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 2:24 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/7/2007 2:16:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mrsmenk@starpower.net writes:

I
have a 130 lb great dane and a 110 lb lab/dane mix. What is a serving
size of liver for them? How do I best cut this thing up and store it?

Linda,

when i buy huge whole livers like from beef or buffalo i cut them into about
3" cubes and stuff as many in a quart freezer bag as i can and refreeze.

when you're ready to introduce liver just thaw the bag, and hand a hunk to a
dog.

One of the key things to remember when feeding dogs new things is that you
can't react like it's anything new or different. Just hand it to the dogs like
it's the same thing they've always been eating. If they even suspect that
it's something different or something that makes you uncomfortable they will
reject it out of hand and then you get to convince them which means you have to
handle it even more..

Catherine R.

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6a. Re: Dog not digesting food
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 2:55 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/7/2007 5:42:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
reachpanda@hotmail.com writes:

This was 7
HOURS after eating it and it wasn't digested in the least bit. How is
that possible? And why? She's also been acting a little constipated.
Could she have a blockage? I first put her on raw becuase of really bad
chronic diarrhea, and now nothing will come out!

Andrea,

If something irritates a dog's stomach for whatever reason, they have the
unique ability to make it leave their body. This could be why your dog vomited
up a whole undigested chicken breast.

did you allow her the opportunity to re-eat it? or did you just clean it up?
Sometimes dogs eat too greedily and too big and cough it up to re-eat it
only smaller. Sometimes something irritates their stomach and they won't try to
re-eat it, but you should always let the dog decide unless what they are
attempting to re-eat could hurt them.

lots of dogs don't poop for a day or two or sometimes three after changing to
raw food. Their bodies have been deprived of proper nutrition for so long
that their bodies use nearly everything that is put in and there really isn't
anything to poop out. This continues to be the case as long as you are raw
feeding, but eventually they will poop on a more regular schedule.

if you are concerned that your dog may have a blockage, you should take her
to the vet and make sure that she doesn't. But don't let a vet tell you that
bones in her stomach or in her intestines is going to kill her. We hear of
lots of dogs that are operated on unnecessarily because some vet saw bones in an
x-ray and decided to operate when it was normal digestion and there was NO
blockage.

going from diarreah to solid stools there will be some lag time inbetween..
it takes time for stools to form and move through the bowels. Her body was
keeping itself empty because something in her previous diet was irritating her
digestive tract. Now it needs time to fill up, form stools and move them
normally..

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7a. Re: Dog not digesting food & food aggression ?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 3:08 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/7/2007 10:09:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
reachpanda@hotmail.com writes:

I'm hesitant to try taking food away from her since she has a slight
food aggression. I'm not afraid of HER (it's not that bad), but won't
taking her food reinforce the aggressive protection of food? I think
that's why she eats so fast, so no one can take it away.

Andrea,

do you stand around and watch her eat? don't hover.. don't watch.. be close
in case she chokes or something, but standing over her while she's eating CAN
be threatening.. will make her want to swallow things to big to hurry and eat
them before you take it away from her.

My big wolfdog is like that.. he's a known counter-surfer. He'll steal
something in a plastic bag and run for his room. IF i try to take it from him he
will swallow it with the bag.. IF i let him into his room he will take whatever
it is out of the bag and leave the bag. So when he gets something like that
i just open his bedroom door for him, as long as what's in the bag isn't going
to hurt him i'd rather he ate what is in the bag and not the bag itself.

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7b. Re: Dog not digesting food & food aggression ?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 4:47 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "reachpanda" <reachpanda@...>
wrote:I do leave
> the food in biggish pieces, but I'll try partially freezing it.
> Hopefully that will slow her down. Is 1 lb/day enough? She just can't
> seem to gain weight. I'm guessing she should be 50-55 lbs.

Hi Andrea,
Your girl is sooo lucky that you found her. I would suggest that you
might want to try half a chicken. Sometimes you can get frying
chickens that are about 4 pounds. If you want her to gain weight, you
could probably feed her closer to 3% of the weight you would like to
see her at, and so, a pound and a half would probably be a suitable
amount for her. KathyM

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7c. Re: Dog not digesting food & food aggression ?
Posted by: "MORGAN LEWIS" shadowland22000@yahoo.com shadowland22000
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 5:16 pm ((PST))

Well I have to admit mine are spoiled, they (2 GSD bitches) get about 2 pounds per day. Chicken thighs, turkey neck, hamburger, ground turkey, Beef liver, kidneys, and heart and pork or beef ribs or shoulder if available and I shop smart. Cut the liver, kidneys, hearts into strips. I seat in the back yard and hand feed, (except ground, although I have served frozen patties, by hand.

With just 2 its a wonderful way to unite with the girls, even the grand kids enjoy, except the liver (it's yucky grandpa).

Started feeding raw when the older bitch was diagnoses with PF, everyone stated that our breed and most others have grain allergies. Most feed fish and potatoes, venison (but still kibble); thought all the PF members were going to krock when I went RAW, but it has worked. I can control the bowels easier by adding more fat, and control weight. Well that's my story and 2 cents worth. Morgan and his Angels

Morledzep@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 11/7/2007 10:09:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
reachpanda@hotmail.com writes:

I'm hesitant to try taking food away from her since she has a slight
food aggression. I'm not afraid of HER (it's not that bad), but won't
taking her food reinforce the aggressive protection of food? I think
that's why she eats so fast, so no one can take it away.

Andrea,

do you stand around and watch her eat? don't hover.. don't watch.. be close
in case she chokes or something, but standing over her while she's eating CAN
be threatening.. will make her want to swallow things to big to hurry and eat
them before you take it away from her.

My big wolfdog is like that.. he's a known counter-surfer. He'll steal
something in a plastic bag and run for his room. IF i try to take it from him he
will swallow it with the bag.. IF i let him into his room he will take whatever
it is out of the bag and leave the bag. So when he gets something like that
i just open his bedroom door for him, as long as what's in the bag isn't going
to hurt him i'd rather he ate what is in the bag and not the bag itself.

Catherine R.

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8a. SMELLY LAMB SHANKS???
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 3:10 pm ((PST))

Hello Everyone...

I am not experienced with lamb...never cooked it for myself...but I
recently purchased lamb shanks for my dogs. The date on the package
says they are good through Nov 13th (and the package says they are from
Australia), but I cut open the pack today and the smell was horrid.
Within a minute I had my son and husband from other rooms of the house
running into the kitchen and asking what the terrible smell was. Is it
normal for lamb to smell...umm...strong??? Since I don't have
experience with lamb, I'm not sure if this is usual or not. If its not
normal...should I still feed it...even to dogs who are still in the
early weeks of raw?

Thanks,

Nancy

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8b. Re: SMELLY LAMB SHANKS???
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 3:50 pm ((PST))

That doesn't sound normal for lamb, in my experience. Some people
might still feed it, but I'd take it back. I normally feed fresh (or
previously frozen) local/U.S. lamb, but I just remembered that I have
seen some of those packages of the Australian lamb in the meat section
of Safeway that is very tightly sealed where all the air is out of the
package and the sell by date was like 2 months in the future or
something. I thought it was weird but never looked into it. I wonder
if it's that type.

Laurie

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8c. Re: SMELLY LAMB SHANKS???
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 4:48 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...>
wrote:
>
I normally feed fresh (or previously frozen) local/U.S. lamb, but I
just remembered that I have seen some of those packages of the
Australian lamb in the meat section of Safeway that is very tightly
sealed where all the air is out of the package and the sell by date
was like 2 months in the future or something. I thought it was weird
but never looked into it. I wonder if it's that type.

Laurie...

Yes...it is exactly that type. It was in a very tightly sealed
plastic wrap. And when I cut the wrapper off....whew....horrible!
I'm definitely going to toss it. I put the shanks in the fridge and
covered them tightly with plastic wrap while waiting for this group
to weigh in on my post, but we just cannot stand the stench. Every
time the fridge is opened, we all want to wretch. That odor travels
fast. Weird thing is that aside from the smell, the meat *looks*
perfectly fresh. I've never had to deal with rotten/spoiled meat
before so I'm not sure if it is even supposed to look spoiled.

Nancy

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8d. Re: SMELLY LAMB SHANKS???
Posted by: "MORGAN LEWIS" shadowland22000@yahoo.com shadowland22000
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 5:29 pm ((PST))

We have the same thing here aqt Publixs; it is tightly wrapped and stinks to high heaven, The meat is good and the dogs love it, (But don't let them kiss you, skunk oil might be easier to get rid of. Morgan

miensasis <kpmnlm@patmedia.net> wrote: --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...>
wrote:
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I normally feed fresh (or previously frozen) local/U.S. lamb, but I
just remembered that I have seen some of those packages of the
Australian lamb in the meat section of Safeway that is very tightly
sealed where all the air is out of the package and the sell by date
was like 2 months in the future or something. I thought it was weird
but never looked into it. I wonder if it's that type.

Laurie...

Yes...it is exactly that type. It was in a very tightly sealed
plastic wrap. And when I cut the wrapper off....whew....horrible!
I'm definitely going to toss it. I put the shanks in the fridge and
covered them tightly with plastic wrap while waiting for this group
to weigh in on my post, but we just cannot stand the stench. Every
time the fridge is opened, we all want to wretch. That odor travels
fast. Weird thing is that aside from the smell, the meat *looks*
perfectly fresh. I've never had to deal with rotten/spoiled meat
before so I'm not sure if it is even supposed to look spoiled.

Nancy

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9a. New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
Posted by: "phantasierre" kellc869@newschool.edu phantasierre
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 3:33 pm ((PST))

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hi,
i've been reading this message board for awhile, and have found a
wealth of information! i have finally switched my 2-year-old cavalier
king charles spaniel (harper) over to raw.

we're just beginning her second week, and so far i'm just feeding
chicken backs and quarters. i was planning to add a new meat source
some time this week.

i am just a bit concerned about her stool. her poops have been TINY
since just after starting raw, and very hard- i think sometimes there
are little bits of bone in the stool (like today, it seemed like a
piece of bone the size of a pebble), so of course i worry she is not
chewing the food enough, and there is going to be bone stuck in her
intestines!

i have read a lot about problems with loose stool, but obviously i am
having the opposite issue. should i just go ahead and start trying to
incorporate other meat sources (which will be less bony), or should i
keep feeding the chicken until her stool becomes more normal?

i appreciate any advice or similar experiences!

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9b. Re: New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 3:50 pm ((PST))

Hi there,

Less poop is normal for rawfed dogs, and you will have the occasional
hard/white stool if you feed a boney meal, but you don't want that to
be the case frequently. I'd add some more meat, whether it's chicken
(add in some boneless or bone-in breasts, reduce or eliminate the
backs, or just buy whole chickens and cut into meal-size hunks and feed
through) or if you're ready to add another meat, it doesn't really
matter.

Sounds like she's doing great. Sometimes newbie dogs will have bits of
bone in the stool. As her system gets up to speed, this will probably
go away.

Laurie

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9c. Re: New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 4:47 pm ((PST))

Hello ??? You are definately feeding too much bone. I would start by cutting out the chicken backs all together, those are way too boney.? Even quarters are a bit boney.? Perhaps before you introduce a new protein source, I would try giving her more meaty pieces of chicken for the rest of the week and then add a new meat next week.? Whe I started out adding new meat sources I would give a just a little more bone than usual to help with loose stools.? But untilI started feeding organs and tripe mixtures with the meaty meals I did not see normal stool.? By normal I mean almost a clay consistancy.? The small, hard, dry stool means too much though.? I would try chicken breasts, or chop upa whole chicken.? We have Albertsons here that usually have small chickens for 99 cents a pound or less!?
I am fairly new as well, but that is my two cents!? :)? Happy feeding!

Chelsea

-----Original Message-----
From: phantasierre <kellc869@newschool.edu>
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Sent: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 2:39 pm
Subject: [rawfeeding] New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?

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hi,
i've been reading this message board for awhile, and have found a
wealth of information! i have finally switched my 2-year-old cavalier
king charles spaniel (harper) over to raw.

we're just beginning her second week, and so far i'm just feeding
chicken backs and quarters. i was planning to add a new meat source
some time this week.

i am just a bit concerned about her stool. her poops have been TINY
since just after starting raw, and very hard- i think sometimes there
are little bits of bone in the stool (like today, it seemed like a
piece of bone the size of a pebble), so of course i worry she is not
chewing the food enough, and there is going to be bone stuck in her
intestines!

i have read a lot about problems with loose stool, but obviously i am
having the opposite issue. should i just go ahead and start trying to
incorporate other meat sources (which will be less bony), or should i
keep feeding the chicken until her stool becomes more normal?

i appreciate any advice or similar experiences!

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9d. Re: New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 4:48 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "phantasierre" <kellc869@...> wrote:
> we're just beginning her second week, and so far i'm just feeding
> chicken backs and quarters. i was planning to add a new meat source
> some time this week.

Hi,
That sounds like a good plan to me. After a week on chicken Harper
would probably enjoy a taste of something new. If you were going to
introduce pork next, you could buy a pork roast and cut a little pork
meat off the roast and feed it along with a proportionately smaller
amount of chicken. Keep mixing the boneless pork with the chicken.
Keep an eye on her stools and if all is well, with a slight increase
in meat and decrease in bone you should notice that it is easier for
her to go, when you get down to the pork bone still covered with some
meat, you could try an all pork meal which would include the bone.
Just a suggestion, KathyM

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9e. Re: New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 5:15 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "phantasierre" <kellc869@...>
wrote:
>
>her poops have been TINY since just after starting raw, and very
>hard- i think sometimes there are little bits of bone in the stool
>(like today, it seemed like a piece of bone the size of a pebble)...

I have been doing this just 5 weeks now so I'm just a little bit
further along than you. What you are describing is perfectly normal
poop for what you are feeding which is a high concentration of bone
(and BTW a very good way to introduce raw). The poops you are
describing are definitely preferable to the loose stools/diarrhea
issues that can occur early on. My dogs had the bone fragments at
first, but now that their system is adjusted they are digesting the
bone fully. In time, yours will too.

> should i just go ahead and start trying to incorporate other
> meat sources (which will be less bony), or should i
> keep feeding the chicken until her stool becomes more normal?

Since your dog is tolerating the bony chicken, you can either give
meatier bones like bone-in breast, or simply add some boneless meat
to the chicken backs and quarters that you are currently feeding.
Once your dog is doing fine with that you can try some fully boneless
chicken meals and then slowly add another protein source (like beef
or turkey) in gradually increasing amounts with the chicken meals
until you work up to full meals of the new protein.

Sounds like you are doing great!

Nancy

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9f. Re: New to raw feeding- am i giving too much bone?
Posted by: "cynthiashankman" ShankMa4@aol.com cynthiashankman
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 6:30 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "phantasierre" <kellc869@>
> wrote:
> >
> >her poops have been TINY since just after starting raw, and very
> >hard- i think sometimes there are little bits of bone in the stool
> >(like today, it seemed like a piece of bone the size of a pebble)...

I am three months into feeding raw ... and when I fed too much bone the
same thing as you are experiencing happened to my dog.

Good grief, one time he pooped and the sound of the poop hitting the
pavement sounded like glass dropping!!! Way too hard! Way too tiny!

My opinion is ... try some meatless meals and red meats.

I am sure we will hear from the moderators.

Cindi

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10. Calcium:Phosphorous
Posted by: "deborah_flick" drdflick@qwest.net deborah_flick
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 5:48 pm ((PST))

Hello,

I'm new to this group and raw feeding my own concoctions rather than prepared frozen raw
food, which my dog refuses to eat. My question concerns balancing, for lack of a better term,
calcium and phosphorous. I feed my standard poodle youngster (14 mos) chicken bones
(usually wings and back bones) in the morning. About 7-8 oz. This makes up about half of
her diet in ounces. Most evenings I feed a veggie mix with raw turkey and occassionally beef
or lamb. Should the heavy load of phosphorous in the evening meal meat be balanced with
the appropriate amount of calcium? If so, what is the best source? Or, is she getting enough
calcium in the morning meal of chicken bones and no need to worry about adding calcium to
the evening meal? I want a 1:1 ratio of calcium to phosphorous.

Thank you so much!

Deborah

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11. Poop does not look good - yellow
Posted by: "vickies_28" vickies_28@yahoo.com vickies_28
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 5:48 pm ((PST))

Hi
I've been pretty good at feeding raw for about 3 months now. So my
basset eats it all- beef, chicken, pork, occasional lamb, organs and
bone, fish, egss and cottage cheese.
But lately I've been having "poop situation". For several days his poop
has been brigh yellow and very hard. I saw a piece of bone in it once,
very sharp from chicken and then he threw up in the morning once (was
hungry, bile vomit cause didn't get his breakfast on time, and then
once in the evening, same thing, but it wasn' time yet for his meal).
Anyhow, the poop is kindda bothering me. Why is it yellow?
And now that I think about it, his poop is never "perfect". It's often
mucusy and sometimes too hard and sometimes too soft.

Anyone has any advice? What am I doing wrong?

Vickie

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