[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12246

There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. 80/10/10 vs 'whole prey' -- Was: Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
From: katkellm

2a. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
From: moemahood@aol.com
2b. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
From: Casey Post
2c. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
From: Josh LaRue
2d. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
From: Howard Salob

3a. Re: 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
From: Casey Post

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1a. 80/10/10 vs 'whole prey' -- Was: Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 5:51 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alexanderdewey"
<alexanderdewey@...> wrote:
> I'd be interested in eventually getting Gigi WHOLE chicken (with
> feathers, and head). I'm curious though, would a whole chicken then
> consist of the 80/10/10 split?? What about a whole rabbit? Is
> typical small whole prey for a wolf or wild dog 80/10/10? Or, in
> other words, is the "whole prey" philosophy different than
> 80/10/10? If so, which in your opinion should I try best to follow?

Hi Alex,
Its me again, not Sandee. Here are some links from the archives for
you to read:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/55017

Follow this thread:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/55017

My feeling on it is that both are the same. The numbers help us
replace the "give the dog a bone" song we use to sing as kids--ok
probably showing my age here--which so many people seem to think of
when they think raw food for dogs. The reason we seem to need to add
more meat to some critters is because when we feed processed grocery
store foods they have subtracted so much of the natural animal. I am
sorry if my post to you caused this confusion. I just thought it
was cool that as a newbie, who i assumed was still in the chicken
stage, that you have a relaxed attitude and aren't all up tight about
numbers. It took me at least 6 months to stop being neurotic and
compulsive about weights and numbers. I even made charts of my dogs
to track what i was feeding. Since our dogs live with us and not out
in nature like a wolf, we do the best we can with what we have been
given to recreate a natural diet for them. It might not be a perfect
replica, but it is as close to perfect as we can make it, no matter
what you call it KathyM

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2a. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 5:51 am ((PST))

Our dog is NOT underweight at all. Does anyone have any clue why he
is so voracious that he will eat anything just for the fun of eating it?
Ann,

Perhaps he is bored.? Is he well exercised?? Maybe you need to get him some recreational bones to keep him occupied.?

If he is being fed enough food (real food) and he is still eating inappropriate stuff it may be in your best interest to get out the leash and take him for a long walk and then kennel him for his own safety.

?Maureen

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2b. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 6:21 am ((PST))

>Our puppy has been doing well on it: he thoroughly enjoys his
> meals, has been gaining weight at a healthy rate, etc. But last week
> he decided to add some concrete aggregate to his diet.

Ann,

My first thought (and I'm sure there are others out there thinking it) is,
has this puppy been vaccinated recently? What you describe is called Pica
and it can be a sign of vaccine damage.

Another possibility is nausea - some dogs react to nausea by eating
inappopriate items to try and settle their stomach. Other signs of nausea
may include drooling and/or carpet/floor licking. I know of one dog who was
made so ill by the smell of fresh paint in the house that he resorted to
eating carpeting...

Think about when the Pica started and what had changed just before that -
vaccines, carpet cleaners, fresh paint, lawn treatments, etc.?

This should probably go over to RawChat
(http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/) though because it's not really
diet-related.

Casey

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2c. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
Posted by: "Josh LaRue" moutaindude23@yahoo.com moutaindude23
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 6:32 am ((PST))

Some dogs will chew on and eat things just for fun. He most likely just bored and not hungry. And then there are some dogs who just like wierd things. My sister once had a husky mix who loved to play with rocks! She would carry them around everywhere and want you to toss them for her.
Does the dog have any recreational bones? The big knuckle bones would probably keep him busy chewing on that instead of other odd things.

Sincerely
Josh

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2d. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 6:37 am ((PST))

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Dear Moemahood,

Please get your dog to the vet asap. Concrete can cause internal injuries to your dog. Not biodegradeable. Can cause bowel obstruction and torsion.

Sincerely,

Howard

moemahood@aol.com wrote:

Our dog is NOT underweight at all. Does anyone have any clue why he
is so voracious that he will eat anything just for the fun of eating it?
Ann,

Perhaps he is bored.? Is he well exercised?? Maybe you need to get him some recreational bones to keep him occupied.?

If he is being fed enough food (real food) and he is still eating inappropriate stuff it may be in your best interest to get out the leash and take him for a long walk and then kennel him for his own safety.

?Maureen

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3a. Re: 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 6:22 am ((PST))

Stephanie,

Have you tried any red meats with her? Not all dogs actually like chicken,
you know?

This girl may be more like a cat where you have to start with small pieces
and gradually build up in size for her. I had to do that with my terrier
girl because bigger foods just freaked her out at first...

Casey

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