Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12239

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: challenges!
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: 1st chik thigh...serious issue?
From: Laura Wimpey

3a. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
From: carnesbill
3b. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
From: costrowski75
3c. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
From: Laura Wimpey
3d. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
From: Michelle Grabert
3e. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
From: carnesbill
3f. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
From: darkstardog

4a. Re: Pregnancy question again
From: diannem200400
4b. Re: Pregnancy question again
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: Pregnancy question again
From: Sandee Lee
4d. Re: Pregnancy question again
From: Doguefan@aol.com

5a. Re: Starting a puppy on RAW
From: carnesbill

6a. Medicated or Non Medicated?
From: elkilpat
6b. Re: Medicated or Non Medicated?
From: carnesbill
6c. Re: Medicated or Non Medicated?
From: jennifer_hell

7a. Re: Deworming
From: Morledzep@aol.com

8a. Re: goat (was How large is a gorge meal?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

9.1. Re: Ok, no more talk about bloat, how about Mountain Oysters?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

10a. starving dog
From: chemist308
10b. Re: starving dog
From: carnesbill
10c. Re: starving dog
From: Giselle

11a. Re: Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
From: Giselle

12a. Re: Exactly what IS a knuckle bone?
From: Giselle
12b. Re: Exactly what IS a knuckle bone?
From: Giselle

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1a. Re: challenges!
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 7:48 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Linda Baldwin <ljbcandr@...>
wrote:
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> He came to us at 5 months and was fine up to about 2 months
> ago. We are having problems with gas, diarhea, vomiting.

I'm sure he hasn't had pure diarrhea and vomiting continuously for 2
months. Is it diarrhea or soft stools(diarrhea is water)? How
often does it happen? How often does he throw up?

If he has watery diarrhea and vomiting every day, he needs to see a
vet at once.

If he has soft stools and throws up occasionally, go back to the
basics. Fast him for a day then feed nothing but chicken for a
couple of weeks. Read the previous sentence once more ... NOTHING
BUT CHICKEN. At the end of a couple of weeks his stools should be
solid again. Start adding in other meats. Ground beef is something
that should be fed only occasionally.

I would add turkey first. You could feed him turkey necks or wings
or drumsticks or buy a whole turkey and cut it up.

After a week of alternating between turkey and chicken try adding in
another meat source. Pork would be good. A week later feed him
some raw fish. At this point try feeding him JUST A LITTLE liver
once or twice a week as an addition to his regular meal. Don't feed
any liver or other organ for about a month and then only in little
doses.

Feed ground meats only rarely. Don't feed yogurt or cottage cheese
anymore. A raw egg once or twice a week should be ok after you get
to this point.

I hope I presented this clear enough to be understood. Sometimes I
don't. :)

Good luck.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: 1st chik thigh...serious issue?
Posted by: "Laura Wimpey" laura.wimpey@yahoo.com laura.wimpey
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 7:49 pm ((PST))

Casey Post <mikken@neo.rr.com> wrote:
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>No meat, just bones? Bile and bone bit vomit?
Yes, bile and bone bit vomit.

>were the chicken thighs these dogs' first raw meal?
Yes, first. CORRECTION tho - hubby confirmed it was SEVERAL hours later that the bone bit vomit occured.

>Do you know the
symptoms of bloat?

http://www.globalspan.net/bloat.htm

Looking into it right now. Did not know symptoms of bloat.

Thanks!
Laura W., Eli & Maggie

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3a. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 7:49 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Casey Post" <mikken@...> wrote:
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> Bloat would be my primary concern as it can affect any dog of
> any breed of any age.

A bloating dog can't vomit. I don't have any ideas as to what this
dog's problem may be. Wish I did. I suspect he will be fine by
morning.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3b. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 7:51 pm ((PST))

"carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
> A bloating dog can't vomit.
*****
Sez who?
I suspect you may be confusing bloat with torsion.
Chris O

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3c. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
Posted by: "Laura Wimpey" laura.wimpey@yahoo.com laura.wimpey
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 8:25 pm ((PST))

carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote: >A bloating dog can't vomit.
My quick googling and reading says the white foamy vomit appears with bloat occasionally but you are right, bloating dogs don't vomit easily, just cough. BUT - he has no distended or large stomach - I think it isn't bloat. Esp considering the amount of time that's passed. Been on the phone with a few folks who suggested a trip to the 24 hour vet but that seems counterintuitive since this has been going on all afternoon....

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3d. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 9:08 pm ((PST))

For what it is worth..my freinds dog did froth and vomit white bile and continue sick all afternoon..it was bloat and he did die. michelle

Laura Wimpey <laura.wimpey@yahoo.com> wrote:

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3e. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 9:08 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> "carnesbill" <carnesw@> wrote:
> > A bloating dog can't vomit.
> *****
> Sez who?
> I suspect you may be confusing bloat with torsion.

No, I'm not, sez me. Bloat is when both ends of the stomach close and
the stomach fills with gas. Torsion is when the stomach twists and
cuts off blood supply. The two usually occur simultaneously. It's
possible to have bloat without torsion but not the other way around.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3f. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 10:33 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Laura Wimpey <laura.wimpey@...> wrote:
> My quick googling and reading says the white foamy vomit appears
with bloat occasionally but you are right, bloating dogs don't vomit
easily, just cough. BUT - he has no distended or large stomach - I
think it isn't bloat. Esp considering the amount of time that's
passed. Been on the phone with a few folks who suggested a trip to
the 24 hour vet but that seems counterintuitive since this has been
going on all afternoon....
>

I hope it's nothing. One thing that crossed my mind is that a piece of
bone might have gotten lodged in the pyloric sphincter or be blocking it.
I have zero experience with this, and zero knowledge of whether this
is likely or what would happen if that were the case, what the odds
would be that it could resolve on its own or not. Something to google,
anyway.

Marty

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4a. Re: Pregnancy question again
Posted by: "diannem200400" diannem200400@yahoo.com diannem200400
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 7:57 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> Hard to knock kidney, heart and venison. You try liver? No go on
> chicken?

Is she "normal"
> otherwise? Have you had her to the vet?

> Can you figure out what's in the NB rolls that pleases her? And
> then reconstruct it, minus the inappropriate stuff? Would she be
> interested in eating other meats mixed into the NB product?
>
> What we need here are some voices of experience!
> Chris O

Hi again, Chris.

She will eat all the liver she can get. Have to limit the amounts of
that because of the Vit. A, right? She tested allergic to all poultry
pre raw, and I'm afraid to try to experiment with it just now.

She seems to be gestating normally. Lack of appetite in the 3rd or 4th
week is not uncommon, but she's stretched this out past comfort. She
goes to the vet in about a week for an ultrasound. If I mention her
lack of appetite, he'll just tell me to put her on high quality
k*****...we've been down that road before so we just don't discuss it.

Maybe it's the lamb in the NB roll. If she likes the lamb, I wonder
why she won't touch rabbit, since they're both "mild" meats. I haven't
had any luck finding lamb except for the tiny chops in the grocery.

We're only in our 5th month on raw; so any voices of experience would
be carefully attended to!

Dianne M.

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4b. Re: Pregnancy question again
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 8:05 pm ((PST))

"diannem200400" <diannem200400@...> wrote:
>> She will eat all the liver she can get. Have to limit the amounts
of
> that because of the Vit. A, right?
*****
Yes, but how much are you letting her eat?

She tested allergic to all poultry
> pre raw, and I'm afraid to try to experiment with it just now.
*****
It's unlikely she's allergic to any raw proteins and it's unlikely
she's allergic to chicken and turkey both since they are as similar
to each other as goat is to sheep. But I agree, now may not be the
time to experiment.

> Maybe it's the lamb in the NB roll. If she likes the lamb, I
wonder
> why she won't touch rabbit, since they're both "mild" meats
*****
Lamb is not a mild meat! I don't know where you got that, but you
may be limiting her unnecessarily. Chicken, rabbit, white fish: mild
flesh. Try lamb.

I haven't
> had any luck finding lamb except for the tiny chops in the grocery.
*****
Legs, shanks, shoulder roasts. Pricey but not nearly as crazy as
those tiny chops. Talk to the Meat Dude.
Chris O

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4c. Re: Pregnancy question again
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 8:14 pm ((PST))

Dianne,

Many dogs love lamb but detest rabbit! :(

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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4d. Re: Pregnancy question again
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 8:27 pm ((PST))

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Hi Dianne-
Hope Fanny is doing well, and good luck on the ultrasound.? I wanted to let you know Ruby did the very same.? She was sooooo picky besides the organs.? I often had to cut everything up and sometimes I even had to go as far as "baiting" her like I would to show her, or play catch.? Now, I know Fanny is on the "calm" side :), so this might be out of the question.? I woud venture to say she will get over it soon.? Like I said Ruby would only eat it if it was cut up and she would not touch chicken from start to finish!? However she never did have pups, we think she reabsorbed them.? I wish you all the luck with your pretty girl!

Chels

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5a. Re: Starting a puppy on RAW
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 9:08 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "charlesmdodson"
<charlesmdodson@...> wrote:
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> Do I simply start him on chicken and slowly work him in just like
> I did before?

Yes, exactly. You MIGHT want to smash the chicken parts with a
hammer for a week or so or he may be ok without it. When I got my
Great Dane puppy at 12 weeks, he started off on chicken backs the
first week with no smashing. The second week he was eating quarters
and then after that he was eating exactly the same thing and same
amount as my adult Dane.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6a. Medicated or Non Medicated?
Posted by: "elkilpat" elkilpat@yahoo.ca elkilpat
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 9:09 pm ((PST))

I'm wondering about other's thoughts on feeding non medicated chicken,
pork, beef. I have been feeding raw for quite a few months now, and
have seen great results. However, a friend who has been feeding raw
for years is encouraging me to feed only non medicated meats and meaty
bones, including chicken. She says the medications fed to poultry,
beef, etc settle in the bone and thus there is a high concentration of
the meds that our dogs do not need (and can be harmed by). Buying
medication free sounds like a great thing to do, but is very
expensive. What are others doing?
Ellen & Bailey

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6b. Re: Medicated or Non Medicated?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 1:11 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "elkilpat" <elkilpat@...> wrote:
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> What are others doing?

All chicken in non medicated. I THINK its the same with turkey but im
not sure. I don't give a second thought to other meats either. I have
eaten grocery store meat all my life. My dogs can too.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6c. Re: Medicated or Non Medicated?
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 3:36 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "elkilpat" <elkilpat@...> wrote:
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Buying
> medication free sounds like a great thing to do, but is very
> expensive. What are others doing?

I buy organic and free range only. It's as cheap as regular- I buy
mostly the stuff that gets left behind when steaks etc are taken off,
and get everything cheap that's somehow not fit for sale (like chicken
that has been bruised and has a blue patch). I have several local
sources that call me when they have stuff for me to pick up.
I wouldn't feed my dog prey that has been fed crap (grains) their
whole short pitiful life. Can't be good. JMHO.

Jennifer

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7a. Re: Deworming
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 9:27 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/4/2007 12:23:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
BreeZ119@catt.com writes:

Do raw fed dogs need to be dewormed more than a dog on kibble?
How often do you deworm your dogs?

Tracy,

out of my 9 dogs that have been raw fed for over 4 years (actually probably
5, but I've lost track of time) I've had ONE of them wormed and that was
because he came to me as a very sick puppy 11 years ago and got worms shortly after
he got over parvo.

there is no reason to "deworm" dogs routinely, or even when they are puppies.
the only time a dog needs to be wormed is when they actually have worms (and
some folks will tell you it's not even necessary then as long as the dog has
the worms under control). worming puppies every 2 weeks or every month and
every year after that is just another way for your vet to make money while he's
poisoning your dogs.. like routine annual vaccination "boosters" and heartworm
preventative.

Catherine R.

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8a. Re: goat (was How large is a gorge meal?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 9:28 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/4/2007 2:58:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
shefy7@yahoo.com writes:

could you send me the link to where you buy the goat from? is it literally
from the state of colorado?

i might have to get a bigger freezer...

i'm in california..hehe...

shefy and snowy

shefy,

we buy goat in CA from goat farmers, and our most valuable raw feeding asset,
SoCalBarf.com.

Catherine R.

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9.1. Re: Ok, no more talk about bloat, how about Mountain Oysters?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 9:30 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/4/2007 12:23:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com writes:

What is testes

Testes = Testicles (balls, fries, rocky mountain oysters.. etc.).

Catherine R.

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10a. starving dog
Posted by: "chemist308" chemist308@yahoo.com chemist308
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 10:32 pm ((PST))

Hi, Everyone. I'm knew to raw feeding, but I realize raw feeding
isn't a cure-all. I'm switching to it because it is a low residue,
high protein food, and I think my dog will tolorate it better. So
here's my issues. I got a rescue greyhound dog that's had a well
established hookworm infection--yes it's being treated now with
medication. She has diarrhea and has been wasting. She's now severly
underweight and we're trying to save her. She's previously turned her
nose up to kibble food, eating only half a dish and wish severe
diarrhea afterward. We tried table scraps and cooked meat but the
diarrhea persisted. So we tried raw food for the last 36 hours.
There is still diarrhea with raw venison and chicken, but not nearly
as much since it's a lower residue way of feeding. I've been giving
about 2 roasts per feeding.

My question are: how much to feed under normal conditions? Am I
feeding enough? How much would you give a dog who should weigh 65 lbs
if you're trying pack weight on the dog? And, another question...can
you give eggs raw, or should I fry those up just to enough to get them
solid?

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10b. Re: starving dog
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 1:11 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "chemist308" <chemist308@...>
wrote:

> how much to feed under normal conditions?

The rule of thumb is 2% to 3% of her ideal adult weight. Adjust up
or down depending on her build over time.

> Am I feeding enough?

You may be feeding enought but you are feeding the wrong thing with
the symptoms she has. If it were my dog I would feed her nothing
but chicken for a few weeks. I would feed the bony parts of the
chicken. Bone tends to constipate. I would remove the skin and
extra fat as those tend to make for looser stools. Do not feed any
organs just yet as they tend to loosen stools also.

After her stools get more solid, you can GRADUALLY add other meat
sources into her diet.

> How much would you give a dog who should weigh 65 lbs

A pound to a pound a half a day to start with then adjust as you see
whether she is going to gain or loose weight.

> if you're trying pack weight on the dog?

You don't try to pack weight on a dog. Let her gain slowly.

> And, another question...can
> you give eggs raw, or should I fry those up just to enough to
> get them solid?

Raw but don't feed eggs until you get her digestion under control.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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10c. Re: starving dog
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 2:06 am ((PST))

Hi!
You managed to slip by the mod team, you didn't sign your name, so I
don't know who I'm talking to. :)

Have you read the emails sent to you when your application for membership to
the list was accepted? There's lots of great info. The files are a good way
to inform yourself.

You could save your dog the stress of the hookworm meds by dosing her with
diatomaceous earth - effective, and much easier on the dog's system;
http://www.dirtworks.net/Diatomaceous-Earth.html
By judicious treatment of the yard, you can keep her from being reinfested
through her feces, also.

Introducing raw feeding to an underweight dog in ill health is best done
SLOWLY - frequent meals, but much smaller than normal at first to reduce the
effects raw can have on a dog unused to real food. So, one protein type to
begin with for a week or two, then add bits and chunks of a new protein into
the meals after the dog's stools and digestion are stable and tolerating it
well. Add a another protein when the newest one is well tolerated. Add
organs after several weeks and a few proteins have been introduced.
Overloading a new-to-raw dog in ill health with too much new food can result
in cannon butt and exacerbate the problem Build up to larger feedings
gradually, her body's tolerance will show you when to increase amounts.

I'd hold off on the eggs for a few weeks, and introduce them entirely raw,
but gradually. They can be loosening.

Slippery Elm Bark Powder can soothe a digestive system that is irritated and
inflamed - I'll post a link to my recommendation to begin raw feeding that
has info on that, too;

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*

Some links to give you even more great information;

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawlearning.com/supplementmyths.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQlist
Just to mention, whole prey model feeding can be low residue, if you don't
feed a lot of bone, fur and feathers, but wile it is perfect in itself, it
isn't high protein. Each prey animal or body part has a different percentage
of protein to fat and bone content, but by far the highest percentage
usually is water. Each component is highly bioavailable and the dog will get
the best nutrients in the easiest to assimilate form this way.

This is fun to play around with, if you want to check it out for yourself;
for example, raw chicken (minus bone, offal and feathers, as this is a site
for human foods)
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

TC and let us know who you and your dog are, and how you get on!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 11/5/07, chemist308 <chemist308@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hi, Everyone. I'm knew to raw feeding, but I realize raw feeding
> isn't a cure-all. I'm switching to it because it is a low residue,
> high protein food, and I think my dog will tolerate it better. So
> here's my issues. I got a rescue greyhound dog that's had a well
> established hookworm infection--yes it's being treated now with
> medication. She has diarrhea and has been wasting. She's now severely
> underweight and we're trying to save her. She's previously turned her
> nose up to kibble food, eating only half a dish and wish severe
> diarrhea afterward. We tried table scraps and cooked meat but the
> diarrhea persisted. So we tried raw food for the last 36 hours.
> There is still diarrhea with raw venison and chicken, but not nearly
> as much since it's a lower residue way of feeding. I've been giving
> about 2 roasts per feeding.
>
> My question are: how much to feed under normal conditions? Am I
> feeding enough? How much would you give a dog who should weigh 65 lbs
> if you're trying pack weight on the dog? And, another question...can
> you give eggs raw, or should I fry those up just to enough to get them
> solid?
>
>
>

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11a. Re: Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 12:54 am ((PST))

Hi, Patty!
I find raw pancreas very occasionally in one of the 'regular'
supermarkets I shop in. Also, you can find it in Asian, Hispanic or other
ethnic markets. You might be able to get them online, but I never have, and
don't know which places carry it. Maybe some others can give up some names
of online shops that carry it.

You can buy Slippery Elm Bark Powder separately online. Its good for
soothing digestive irritations and inflammation.
http://fiascofarm.com/herbs/supplements.htm

TC
Giselle

On 11/4/07, Patty Linden <pattykat3@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Giselle--thanks for the suggestion. Where would I find raw pancreas--is
> there a place to order it on the Internet?
> :-) Patty
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12a. Re: Exactly what IS a knuckle bone?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 1:11 am ((PST))

Glad you liked it, it was a bu**er to find. ^_^

You really made me sweat for that one, Chris!

Actually, in some circles, I'm known as GoogleGirl. ; )

TC
Giselle

> Anntiga@... wrote:>
> > http://bovine.unl.edu/bovine3D/eng/bonep.jsp
>
> > What a great site!
> *****
> Weren't me what found it...this excellent website was found by our own
> Internet Dominatrix Giselle.
>
> Definitely a keeper, no? LOL, both her and the list.
> Chris O
>
>

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12b. Re: Exactly what IS a knuckle bone?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 1:13 am ((PST))

By George, I think she's got it! ; )

TC
G

<http://bovine.unl.edu/bovine3D/eng/bonep.jsp>
> *****
> Hey, this is more than a nice website: It's terrific! I think I got
> it now.
>
> The knuckle is the southern end of the femur, where it is bound with
> connective tissue to the northern end of the tibia, which may or may
> not also be considered "knuckle bone". But in either case--lower end
> of the femur/upper end of the tibia--the entire composite assembly
> along with the patella is considered the knee.
>
> Yes?
> Chris O
>
>

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