[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12235

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
From: connie
1b. Re: Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
From: connie
1c. Re: Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
From: Patty Linden
1d. Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
From: Patricia Purvis
1e. Re: Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
From: Giselle

2a. Re: raw/calcium/phosphorus
From: Sandee Lee
2b. Re: raw/calcium/phosphorus
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: raw/calcium/phosphorus
From: Michael Moore
2d. Re: raw/calcium/phosphorus
From: briargarden07

3.1. Mountain Oysters? - Yassy
From: tottime47

4a. Re: Puppy is still throwing up
From: Alecia Hammack
4b. Re: Puppy is still throwing up
From: connie

5.1. Re: Ok, no more talk about bloat, how about Mountain Oysters?
From: tottime47
5.2. Re: Ok, no more talk about bloat, how about Mountain Oysters?
From: shefy gupta

6. Horse okay?
From: Deb

7a. Re: AKC poll on raw feeding
From: Lynne Noll

8a. possible problem
From: LaDawn
8b. Re: possible problem
From: Casey Post

9a. Re: Exactly what IS a knuckle bone?
From: Giselle
9b. Re: Exactly what IS a knuckle bone?
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: Is small hen OK to feed....?
From: costrowski75
10b. Re: Is small hen OK to feed....?
From: shefy gupta

11. 5 dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
From: Stephanie

12. Pregnancy question again
From: diannem200400

13a. Re: goat (was How large is a gorge meal?
From: Laurie Swanson

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1a. Re: Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
Posted by: "connie" justbullies@hotmail.com bullienut
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 5:21 pm ((PDT))

> Yeah, I have to ask how this diagnosis was made as well (for
pancreatitis).

> Casey

Has anyone heard of this site? or used it? It was emailed to me by a
friend asking if I knew anything....I don`t. She wants to know how
accurate this could be or just a place to throw your money away.Thanks..
~connie~
and a bunch of bullies
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1b. Re: Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
Posted by: "connie" justbullies@hotmail.com bullienut
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 5:21 pm ((PDT))

OOps! Here is the website..I think I forgot to add the link:
http://www.thepetcheckup.com/

Thanks..
~connie~
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1c. Re: Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
Posted by: "Patty Linden" pattykat3@yahoo.com pattykat3
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 5:42 pm ((PDT))

ginny wilken <gwilken@alamedanet.net> wrote:
On Nov 3, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Patty Linden wrote:

>
> Regarding what caused his pancreatitis--all I know is that the vet
> told me he must have gotten into some fatty foods. When I first
> adopted him, he had been found wandering the streets, apparently
> had been attacked by some other animals, and had to have surgery to
> cut off dead flesh from him wounded rear. They thought he had been
> walking around for several days like that from the appearance of
> his wound. It was about a month after I took him home that his
> first attack of pancreatitis occurred.
>

Just curious if he had been given distemper or other vaccines during
his recovery period... Distemper in particular can mess up digestive
processes for life, and, IMO, is one of the primary causes of chronic
intolerance, chronic loose stools, frequent vomiting, etc.
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When I first got him, after his surgery, he was given a number of vaccines--I think distemper was one of them. Unfortunately, I didn't know then what I know now--wish I could turn the clock back.

Thanks for your reply, Ginny--
:-) Patty

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1d. Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
Posted by: "Patricia Purvis" purvisp@yahoo.com purvisp
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 7:49 pm ((PDT))

My cat refused to eat chicken after several months of chicken and then I found out it was bad. It didn't smell bad, but my friend and I split large packages of chicken and I asked her about it and found out that her dog refused to eat it, too. So I tossed that chicken, got different chicken, and now he happily eats the chicken.

I would imagine this does not happen that often. I'm a newby, so I don't know. Also, he did not get diahrea, he just would not eat.

And cats are far more finicky than dogs--although, as I say, my friend's dog wouldn't eat the chicken eitehr.

But if you have been feeding from the same batch, you might try a different batch of chicken just to see if there is an difference. Some people find chicken with preservatives really messes with their dogs stools, too. So maybe even switch brands or butchers or what have you in case there is something in the meat that you don't know about.

Patricia

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1e. Re: Pancreatitis, diarrhea, antibiotic side effects
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 9:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Patty!
In addition to feeding leaner meats and small meals, feeding
raw pancreas can be helpful.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

<snip>
>
>
> > I was wondering if anyone else has had similar problems trying to feed a
> dog whose pancreas may not be functioning completely normally--and also,
> if
> I am doing the right thing by giving him a probiotic, in an attempt to
> perhaps restore the flora in his digestive tract that the long period on
> an
> antibiotic probably upset.
> >
> > Any suggestions (other than taking him back to the vet) anyone could
> give
> me would be very much appreciated.
> > :-) Patty
>
>

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2a. Re: raw/calcium/phosphorus
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 5:28 pm ((PDT))

Hi Sandy,

You are right...a prey model raw diet will provide everything in perfect
quantities and balance for your puppy to grow slow, strong and healthy.
There is no benefit to canned or dry foods.

Vets (even holistic) don't have a clue about nutrition and certainly aren't
aware of the benefits of feeding prey model.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "beaulah_2001us" <beaulah_2001us@yahoo.com>

My holistic vet said she would keep our puppy on at least half canned
or kibble mixed with raw until she is 8 months old so that calcuim and
phosphorus levels are maintained and good bones are made.

Doesnt raw meaty bones do this on its own? If it doesnt is there
another way I can give her a good balance of these and know she is
getting all she needs of both of these minerals?

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2b. Re: raw/calcium/phosphorus
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 8:28 pm ((PDT))

"beaulah_2001us" <beaulah_2001us@...> wrote:>
> My holistic vet said she would keep our puppy on at least half
canned
> or kibble mixed with raw until she is 8 months old so that calcuim
and
> phosphorus levels are maintained and good bones are made.
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Oh dear.
I think your holistic vet isn't so whole when it comes to nutrition
for the young wolfdog. Commercial food can only hope to emulate what
Ma Nature provides without fuss.

> Doesnt raw meaty bones do this on its own?
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Yes. A diet of meat, edible bone and organs absolutely provides
calcium and phos in a natural and healthy relationship.
While "balance" is a term born of human engineering, Ma Nature does
offer her own version of balance, and that's wole prey. Whether you
feed whole prey or you feed a variety of body parts--some meaty, some
more bony--you will be balancing as Ma Nature intended.

If it doesnt
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Ah, but it does. And that's the magic of it. Simple. Easy. Correct.
Chris O

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2c. Re: raw/calcium/phosphorus
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 9:38 pm ((PDT))

>My holistic vet said she would keep our puppy on at least half canned
or kibble mixed with raw until she is 8 months old so that calcuim and
phosphorus levels are maintained and good bones are made.

Doesnt raw meaty bones do this on its own? If it doesnt is there
another way I can give her a good balance of these and know she is
getting all she needs of both of these minerals? <<

Sandy -- I wonder how your vet thinks wolves get canned and/or ki**le in the wild?? What an utterly ridiculous statement, IMO!! Raw meat, organs and bones are truly everything that your puppy needs. Nature's model shows us that this is the optimal diet for our "house wolves."
-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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2d. Re: raw/calcium/phosphorus
Posted by: "briargarden07" briargarden07@yahoo.com briargarden07
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 9:38 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "beaulah_2001us"
<beaulah_2001us@...> wrote:
>
> My holistic vet said she would keep our puppy on at least half canned
> or kibble mixed with raw until she is 8 months old so that calcuim
and
> phosphorus levels are maintained and good bones are made.
>
> Doesnt raw meaty bones do this on its own?

Yes, RMBs are the BEST source for an ideal calcium:phosphorous ratio!
Kibble contains artificial forms of calcium such as the poorly digested
calcium carbonate or worse, dicalcium phosphate. The latter is better
absorbed by the body, but was the bane of my growing Beale pups :x I
frequently had Pano in every single kibble fed pup, regardless of
how "natural" the kibble was. My pups on raw grow to have nice even
growth and good bone structure. I do feed a bit more bony parts & prgan
meats until they are 6 mos, and cannot imagine ever going back to
kibble to grow my puppers.

Either you believe the diet is good, or it isn't, IMHO. If the Vet
wants to endorese raw, I don't understand why he'd insist ont he
kibble. If its good enough for keeping adult dogs in optimal health,
its even better to go all raw for pups :)

Noelle M.

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3.1. Mountain Oysters? - Yassy
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 5:52 pm ((PDT))

Hi Yassy,

I got a package of them for my dogs. The ones I got were about the
size of softballs, lol.

I had no idea they would become very squishy once thawed. I was
able to (barely) cut them in half and then cut one of the halves up
for my little dogs. They seemed to like it and ate all of it with no
poo problems. I fed it with meat........they did try chewing it up
themselves but it is very, very tough!

I will say of all the things I have offered so far this had to be a
10 on the gross scale for me, hehehehe........

Carol, Charkee & Moli ( we liked it! )

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--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
> I have never seen the oyster thing with my eyes so,I do not know
how big they are,but if it were too big for my dog,is it possible to
cut?? Kind of gross but,wondering if it possible or not.
>
> I know only one protin source I can get oyster thing;buffalo.
>
> So,if it was something I feel like feeding,I can order them,but I
wascurious when I read this thread.
>
> It be fed asorgan meat so,too much cause,diarrhea,correct?
>
> Thanks,
>
> yassy
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4a. Re: Puppy is still throwing up
Posted by: "Alecia Hammack" akhwbj1@yahoo.com akhwbj1
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 5:52 pm ((PDT))

They did xray's, bloodwork, and monitored him for those 48 hours. They told us it was either seizure's, food allergy, or his spincter in his stomach was not closing correctly. He is gaining weight now. He was not gaining weight with the dog food, but since we switched to raw he has gained around 3 lbs. He seems to be doing fine except for the throwing up. I have not gave him any heart worm, fleas, or tick chemicals. The vet does know we are feeding raw. He had a problem with it at first, but then released it is the only thing helping him. Thanks for the advice.

Alecia

connie <justbullies@hotmail.com> wrote:
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Alecia Hammack <akhwbj1@...> wrote:
I don't think we can give him a break because he acts like he is
starving now. We are so new to this and just
> need help. Thanks so much for responding.
>
> Alecia
Hi Alecia,
What exactly did the vet do for you in ICU? Any tests? xrays?
bloodwork? Is your dog doing the projectile throwing up where the
food just comes right back out..looking more just like food that went
in? Or is he doing the stomach heaving before the throwing up part?
There is a difference in HOW he is throwing up. There is a condition
where dogs have a (I believe humans can have it to) where the muscle
that closes and opens for food is showing a defect or injury. I
can`t remember what its called.But the food will come back up in a
projectile manner. Surgery is an option for this condition or try
keep your dog confined for 1 hour after eating or some of the things
that are an option. Have you used any chemicals on or in him in since
this all started? ie:flea/tick wormers ect.Long term effect things?
~connie~
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4b. Re: Puppy is still throwing up
Posted by: "connie" justbullies@hotmail.com bullienut
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 6:19 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Alecia Hammack <akhwbj1@...> wrote:
>
> They did xray's, bloodwork, and monitored him for those 48 hours. or
his spincter in his stomach was not closing correctly. > Alecia

I would confine him for about an hour after each meal. We treated some
cases like this at the vet clinic I worked at. We also had them add
water to their k*bble. Well, obviously that won`t apply :) But it
sounds like you and him are doing better.

~connie~
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5.1. Re: Ok, no more talk about bloat, how about Mountain Oysters?
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 6:46 pm ((PDT))

Hi Shefy & Snowy,

Not a dumb question at all! I wasn't sure what I had when I first
bought them......

Mountain oysters or buffalo fries or pork fries are all the same as
far as I know.

They are the testicles of male animals......yep, don't get too
grossed out....Dogs seem to really like them, if you can get by the
ick factor.......hehehehe.....

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote:
>
> What are buffalo fries?
>
> Get used to dumb questions like this group, I'm a vegetarian :)
Snowy's a super carnivore :)
>
> Shefy and Snowy

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5.2. Re: Ok, no more talk about bloat, how about Mountain Oysters?
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 11:59 pm ((PDT))

Ohhh...I give snowy pizzles/bullysticks. these are cow's testes i think...

he loves them, keeps him busy and cleans his back teeth..

shefy and snowy

tottime47 <tottime@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Shefy & Snowy,

Not a dumb question at all! I wasn't sure what I had when I first
bought them......

Mountain oysters or buffalo fries or pork fries are all the same as
far as I know.

They are the testicles of male animals......yep, don't get too
grossed out....Dogs seem to really like them, if you can get by the
ick factor.......hehehehe.....

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, shefy gupta wrote:
>
> What are buffalo fries?
>
> Get used to dumb questions like this group, I'm a vegetarian :)
Snowy's a super carnivore :)
>
> Shefy and Snowy

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6. Horse okay?
Posted by: "Deb" thegrittons@yahoo.com thegrittons
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 6:47 pm ((PDT))

A friend of mine today told me that I could have as much horse meat as
I wanted for free (she works at a wildlife place, and they get horses
donated to them to feed). I'm thinking - what a find! But, does
anyone else know much about feeding horse? Is that being their main
staple in their diet not a good idea? They have mostly been eating
chicken and beef and pork. Horse is going to be totally new to them.
I'm hoping its going to be just fine? What do you guys think?
Thanks!
~Deb~

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7a. Re: AKC poll on raw feeding
Posted by: "Lynne Noll" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 7:35 pm ((PDT))

Thanks, Jane. I put in my two cents.

: )

"famtimes@blazenetme.net" <famtimes@blazenetme.net> wrote:
To take part in this poll on raw feeding (whether you feed raw or no)
Go to:

http://www.akc.org/ and look at the right hand side of the page.

Jane

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8a. possible problem
Posted by: "LaDawn" cldalley@verizon.net ladawndalley4
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 7:35 pm ((PDT))

Hi, I was on this list when I first started feeding my corgi/dachshund
mix raw, and everyone was so helpful!

Well, I have been feeding her raw now for over 2 years and never had
any problems with it. (she is about 4 years old) She has been very
healthy and happy.

Today, however, she is acting like something is stuck in her throat.
Every once in awhile she kind of retches or coughs, and she is
swallowing more often than normal, too. Just generally acting like
something is irritating her throat. This happened once before and I
just fed her and eating something else seemed to take care of the problem.

I tried that today, and she ate, but it has not solved the problem.
Now she is acting like she doesn't feel well. She doesn't want to
play or chase the cat, just lay around.

Of course, this has happened on a weekend. Otherwise, I would just
take her to my vet (who supports raw feeding—to a point). And if she
gets worse, I will take her tomorrow, but I'd really like to not take
her at all, or at least wait until Monday.

Any suggestions?

LaDawn

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8b. Re: possible problem
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 7:40 pm ((PDT))

LaDawn,

Could be viral - kennel cough or somesuch?

Casey

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9a. Re: Exactly what IS a knuckle bone?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 7:44 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Ya'll!
I'm not ButcherMan, but I did some Googling and came up with
this link that might be a little helpful;

http://www.aps.uoguelph.ca/~swatland/ch2_1.htm

And I also dl a power point presentation that has parts of the bovine
skeleton numbered and named that is also useful. Anyone wanting to take a
look at it can email me privately. You must have MS Office PP, sorry, thats
the way its formatted.

I did find a pic of knuckle bones;
http://bravosnaturalrearing.com/Images/Big/knuckles.jpg
raw marrow bones, cut up;
https://www.tallgrassbeef.com/ecommerce/catalog/imagemagic.php?img=images/MarrowBones_Raw.jpg&w=165&h=165&page=prod_info
listed as femurs;
http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/products/images/KnuckleBones.jpg
The knuckles are the ends when cut, marrow bones are the middle with the
knuckles cut off and the femurs are the whole bone.

Contrast to pics with cooked - 'sterilized' marrow bones with the gristle
stripped off;
http://www.agrofoods.net/pcat-gifs/products-small/005.jpg

Hind shank bones;
http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/products/images/KnuckleBones.jpg
*http://tinyurl.com/2n48fl

*This is an interesting page;
http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/004/T0279E/T0279E05.htm

lamb neck bones;
http://www.callicoma.com.au/images/HalfLambNeck_1_sml.jpg

Pork neck bones;
http://www.atiintl.com/Neck-Bones.gif

Nice pics of pork parts;
http://www.donaldsfinefoods.com/prod_list.php?id_brand=1&id_cat=3
http://www.atiintl.com/pork.htm

HTH
TC
Giselle
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9b. Re: Exactly what IS a knuckle bone?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 8:45 pm ((PDT))

Giselle <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
>> I did find a pic of knuckle bones;
> http://bravosnaturalrearing.com/Images/Big/knuckles.jpg
*****
I don't think the issue is knowing what they look like, it's more
where are they when they're part of the cow.

>> http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/products/images/KnuckleBones.jpg
> The knuckles are the ends when cut, marrow bones are the middle
with the
> knuckles cut off and the femurs are the whole bone.
*****
So-- The knuckle is a joint between what and what? The joint
between some bone and the femur, then the femur and some bone. What
bones are these that the femur is attached to at top and bottom that
produces two (count 'em two) similar joints? Are you saying the
knuckle bone is the hock? If the hock is one of the joints (the
lower one perhaps) what is the upper joint? Or is the hock the
upper point and the pastern is the lower joint?

I still don't get it.
This might be a good example of why knowing the name for everything
is more effort than it's worth.
Chris O

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10a. Re: Is small hen OK to feed....?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 8:17 pm ((PDT))

"shefy7" <shefy7@...> wrote:
Snowy is back to normal! His gums are looking better
> than ever and his teeth are super white.
*****
This is great! It's what whole bone is all about.

I've been giving him lots of
> ham bones,which are really good for cleaning teeth btw...
*****
Are these ham bones cooked bones? Or raw bones from the uppper
leg/haunch of a pig. Cooked bones are not a good idea, regardless
of how delighted you are with Snowy's white teeth. Raw bones--raw
meaty bones--do the job just as well, with less danger of busted
teeth or shattered bone.

> I saw little packages of what looked like a chicken at safeway
today.
> It said small gaming hen on there and 8% water or something (I'm
> vegetarian remember so I haven't a clue about meat...) I'm
wondering
> if things like this are OK to feed as a meal?
*****
These are game hens ("gaming hens" sounds like some advertisement
for Reno or the Indian casinos!) which are a smaller breed of same
old chicken, and younger even than "ordinary" chickens. Here in
Sacramento Safeway's got them on sale for $1.69/lb which is
outrageous for weensy chickens BUT if you can overlook the price per
pound they'd probably be very nice indeed for Snowy. Occasionally
when Safeway blows them out for .99/lb I buy a few for my border
collie to share with the cat.

I know this is considered a gorge meal and
> he only needs 1/2lb./day to maintain his weight. So I would skip a
day
> and then feed him again?
*****
Yes, this would be a fine plan.
Chris O

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10b. Re: Is small hen OK to feed....?
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 11:59 pm ((PDT))

Of course they are raw bones :)

I wonder what he will do with the whole chicken..I might have to charge my camcorder...

Thanks for the info. Chris!

Shefy and Snowy

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
"shefy7" wrote:
Snowy is back to normal! His gums are looking better
> than ever and his teeth are super white.
*****
This is great! It's what whole bone is all about.

I've been giving him lots of
> ham bones,which are really good for cleaning teeth btw...
*****
Are these ham bones cooked bones? Or raw bones from the uppper
leg/haunch of a pig. Cooked bones are not a good idea, regardless
of how delighted you are with Snowy's white teeth. Raw bones--raw
meaty bones--do the job just as well, with less danger of busted
teeth or shattered bone.

> I saw little packages of what looked like a chicken at safeway
today.
> It said small gaming hen on there and 8% water or something (I'm
> vegetarian remember so I haven't a clue about meat...) I'm
wondering
> if things like this are OK to feed as a meal?
*****
These are game hens ("gaming hens" sounds like some advertisement
for Reno or the Indian casinos!) which are a smaller breed of same
old chicken, and younger even than "ordinary" chickens. Here in
Sacramento Safeway's got them on sale for $1.69/lb which is
outrageous for weensy chickens BUT if you can overlook the price per
pound they'd probably be very nice indeed for Snowy. Occasionally
when Safeway blows them out for .99/lb I buy a few for my border
collie to share with the cat.

I know this is considered a gorge meal and
> he only needs 1/2lb./day to maintain his weight. So I would skip a
day
> and then feed him again?
*****
Yes, this would be a fine plan.
Chris O

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11. 5 dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
Posted by: "Stephanie" Sgagos@aol.com sgagos69
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 9:38 pm ((PDT))

Hi, everyone! Well I've enjoyed lurking for a while while
I've made my way through the first two weeks of raw feeding.
I have three beagles, a chihuahua and a black springer mix
(the larger of the dogs).
So far the beagles (Minnie, Max and Delilah, mommy and kids) are
having a ball, even though their teeth are pretty bad and one of them
hardly has any teeth, they go to town every time I feed them. They
are using their neck muscles, their paws, it is all very exciting.
The chihuahua, Gizmo (the oldest, about 12 years old) likes it but
has difficulty with the bones, has diarrhea and has had a few
accidents in the house since switching him. He doesn't take a bigger
piece and work on it yet and he won't take a bone and eat it either.
So I guess I'll have to settle for a little bone in few pieces of
meat.
The springer mix is not enjoying it at all. I'm having the most
difficulty with her. I give her a leg, she takes it and drops it on
the ground. I give her a piece of chicken, she walks away with it and
spits it out. If it has bone in it she might eat it. She's hardly
eating, well at least not the amount she should be eating. She likes
gizzards, bone by itself and some pieces of chicken with bone like I
said. But I feel like she's not getting enough meat. She is totally
disinterested, doesn't seem to be salivating when the food comes out,
nothing. I've tried giving her food with the others around and
without. I so want her to take a big piece and go out in the yard
and rip it up, but that seems far away even as she sees others doing
it around her.
This is what they've been eating for the past two weeks:
chicken thighs
chicken breast with half a chicken back each for the bigger dogs backs
sardines, cold water fish, a couple of pieces each (1-2 times in the
week, is that correct? How much is enough?)
chicken leg quarters (my person favorite)
This week I added an egg, but I may not be able to afford one egg per
dog a day (is that how much they should eat?)

I'm also concerned about their stool. It's hard to keep track of what
they are pooping since we let them out in the yard. Every time I see
them pooping, I run out there, like a loony person and go to examine
it, but by the time I get there I have trouble finding it. I'm
starting to thing it's diarrhea and it's absorbing into the ground.
How can I keep missing it! Too funny. So I'll have to keep trying to
catch them in the act, it's a big yard and I'm obviously not fast
enough. I've also heard some stomach noises that sounded like they
might have diarrhea.

Well I think that's enough background. Thanks in advance.
Stephanie in New Jersey

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12. Pregnancy question again
Posted by: "diannem200400" diannem200400@yahoo.com diannem200400
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 11:59 pm ((PDT))

Didn't get any response the first time and I really value your
opinions. My questions are: Is there a limit to how much beef kidney
I can feed a pregnant bitch; and, is there any problem with feeding
Natural Balance lamb and rice roll for those times when she just will
not eat anything else? Thanks,

Dianne M.

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13a. Re: goat (was How large is a gorge meal?
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sat Nov 3, 2007 11:59 pm ((PDT))

Hi Shefy,

I get goat legs at Asian or Middle Eastern markets, as well as other
parts of goat, too.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote:
> where did you ever find a goat leg two times the size of his
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