[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12225

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Lamb spine
From: Andrea
1b. Re: Lamb spine
From: Laurie Swanson
1c. Re: Lamb spine
From: jennifer_hell

2a. Re: still swallowing whole
From: Andrea
2b. Re: still swallowing whole
From: Laurie Swanson
2c. Re: still swallowing whole
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Allergies in raw vs. cooked meats
From: mgitaville

4.1. Re: Introduction
From: Laurie Swanson

5a. Ready for Next Step/Question about lamb shanks
From: miensasis
5b. Re: Ready for Next Step/Question about lamb shanks
From: Andrea

6a. Re: 7# Chihuahua Ready for more than chicken
From: autumnji@aol.com
6b. Re: 7# Chihuahua Ready for more than chicken
From: cynthiashankman

7a. Question about small dogs and beef bones
From: Patty Linden
7b. Re: Question about small dogs and beef bones
From: carnesbill
7c. Re: Question about small dogs and beef bones
From: Sandee Lee

8a. Kittens Getting Started - weeks 2 thru 14
From: marclre
8b. Re: Kittens Getting Started - weeks 2 thru 14
From: Patty Linden

9a. Re: Beef necks??
From: costrowski75

10a. {Raw Feeding} Lab work
From: Brandi Bryant
10b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Lab work
From: Sonja
10c. Re: {Raw Feeding} Lab work
From: Brandi Bryant

11a. video - my dog eating a furry rabbit
From: Lisa S.
11b. Re: video - my dog eating a furry rabbit
From: Scott Baker
11c. Re: video - my dog eating a furry rabbit
From: Patty Linden

12a. Re: Newbi eIntro
From: jaygaughan

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1a. Re: Lamb spine
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:38 am ((PDT))

I don't remember how big your girl is, but my 60lb pups go right
through the spine area of lamb. I'd stand by with extra meat for her.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...>
wrote:
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> are these hard bones, or do your dogs eat it whole? I'd like to know
> whether to expect my girl to have a boney meal with that, or if she'll
> have to rip of the meat (like she does with venison).

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1b. Re: Lamb spine
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:59 am ((PDT))

Depends how big your dog is. I get lamb necks, cut into about 3" x 8"
pieces. My 23# Boston eats the whole thing. I usually let him eat
part of a hunk with some added meat and feed the remainder later. It
depends how meaty they are as to how they'll be eaten, I think. Mine
will rip some of the meat off and then crunch the bones.

Oh, I just remembered, I have gotten some lamb bones that were denser
than others, from older sheep. I believe there were some neck bones he
hasn't eaten. So that will also be a factor. Most of them, he has
eaten, though.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...>
wrote:
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> are these hard bones, or do your dogs eat it whole?

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1c. Re: Lamb spine
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:59 am ((PDT))

Great! Thank you. She's a 55lb pitbull.

Jennifer with Mandy

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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> I don't remember how big your girl is, but my 60lb pups go right
> through the spine area of lamb. I'd stand by with extra meat for her.
>

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2a. Re: still swallowing whole
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:43 am ((PDT))

If she refuses to eat politely you'll have to make an artificial small
meal for her. Give her a big chunk of stuff and just take it away
after she's had a little bit. I'm sorry you had such a scary moment
with her. Just keep things big and she might learn to eat politely
down the road.

BTW, you mention that you've given up on the other one, what does that
mean?

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:

> But the other day I gave her some lamb @ 6 oz, sort or "ribboned"
> and she choked! I thougth I had lost her. I kept doing the Heimlich
> and was able to get the offending piece out. She did the same thing
> the following day (it was goat meat that I had left, not frozen,
> but "hard." I truly believe that if I hadn't intervened, she would
> have choked to death. Please tell me what exactly should I give
> her for dinner?

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2b. Re: still swallowing whole
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:59 am ((PDT))

Hi Silvina,

I've had some of these issues with my Boston. For us, it's been a
matter of figuring out the right items/sizes to feed. And I've also
found that he's slowed down and gotten smarter over the past year of
prey model.

I'm not sure exactly what you've tried, and this might seem a little
confusing, but it sounds like you might be feeding things this
particular dog is more likely to choke on. If the lamb piece had
either been bigger, or chopped up smaller, that might have been
safer. But if she's prone to gulping, ribboning a fairly small hunk
of boneless meat (but not quite small enough to swallow easily) might
make her think, "Oh, this will go down..." Or not even really
think...You basically did half of her work for her, but she thought
it was ready to swallow. But since she didn't do the work herself,
she didn't really break it down into what she needed, nor did she
have a good sense of what she was about to swallow. Make some
sense? I think you're going to need to try bigger and/or more
complicated, in order to make your girl stop for half a second and
think about how she's going to tackle her meal, and to get a sense of
what she's eating. It really should work!

How often are you feeding? Can you feed bigger pieces less often?
Or try to work up to it? That would really help. And what else have
you tried feeding and how has that gone?

You may be able to get creative within the amount you want to feed
daily. What about feeding some meat attached to bones she can't eat
(and then removing the inedible bones once they're cleaned off)? Can
she eat goat leg bones? If those aren't easily edible, maybe you
could have a goat leg cut into, say, 1# pieces (1/2 lb. just seems
too small, and you don't want any choking-sized bones). Then, if you
want to feed about 1/2 lb. per day, you could feed one of those one
day and let her eat half. Feed the remaining half the next day, or
alternate with another food.

It's going to be hard to get bone in the diet feeding that small, to
a small dog, though. What about fish? Those are easy, edible
bones. If you can't or won't feed bigger, you might need to feed a
ground meat and bone mix and/or chop up her food into smaller pieces
she'll be less likely to choke on (bite-size).

But you might find that if you can feed bigger, more labor-intensive
food less often, she will finally get somewhat satisfied--by the
stimulation and exercise of ripping and tearing her food, as well as
the higher volume of food in her stomach. As I'm sure you know, dogs
are made for it--their stomachs are designed to stretch and shrink
with big meals and then no meals, or small meals. They don't need an
exact amount every day (barring other health issues).

Let us know what you think. We'll help you figure this out.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:
I truly
> believe that if I hadn't intervened, she would have choked to
death.
> Please tell me what exactly should I give her for dinner? She won't
> self-regulate. Maybe large chunk of beef/pork ribs? Goat leg? She
> will tackle these with gusto. Big pieces one day then on the next
day
> a piece of kidney with gizzard? I'm lost.

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2c. Re: still swallowing whole
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:42 am ((PDT))

"delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:
> I am having trouble with my pugs. I've given up on one but the
other
> one eats like you say she's supposed to: she rips and tears and
> swallows those pieces she's torn. So far so good, in fact, I loved
> watching her because she was doing so, so good. But the other day
I
> gave her some lamb @ 6 oz, sort or "ribboned" and she choked!
*****
I suspect the six ounces of ribboned meat was too small a meal for
her ambitions. And of course a ribbon of meat is precisely the
right shape for mindless grabbing and gobbling. Since she's a
competent eater, I recommend you do nothing to make meals easier for
her. Only the timid or unadventurous feeders need their meats
ribboned.

I > thougtht I had lost her. I kept doing the Heimlich and was able
to get
> the offending piece out.
*****
Scary. Good you kept at it! Did you try going into her mouth to
pull or/push down the piece of food? Sometimes that is more quickly
effective than the Heimlich. I have a pair of those surgical tongy
things for reaching down deep if needs be.

She did the same thing the following day (it
> was goat meat that I had left, not frozen, but "hard." I truly
> believe that if I hadn't intervened, she would have choked to
death.
*****
Hard to know, good you didn't have to find out. Again, perhaps you
are feeding something just a hair larger than she can easily swallow
(again, overstated ambitions on her part), or, on the other hand,
food that's not quite large enough to stifle the challenge.

I have found through similar experiences that it's the "middle
sized" food that causes the most anxiety. So I don't feed middle
sized food. If it's not significantly BIG, I cut it smaller. If I
have any doubt about the hunk being big enough, it gets made
smaller. But this comes from time on the job and knowing how greedy
my dogs are.

What is "middle sized" to you, specifically? I have no idea. But
conceptually it's food that may be viewed by the dog as swallowable
without further processing, even if it isn't. Like, perhaps, the
six ounces of lamb you fed or the somewhat frozen hunk of goat. My
guess is the Big Food you are feeding is not Big enough.

> Please tell me what exactly should I give her for dinner?
*****
I can't tell you exactly. To what extent have you tested her self-
regulatory ability? Have you? Or do you call it quits when YOU
think it's quitting time? Perhaps there's a gap between her quits
and your quits that you should re-evaluate.

Maybe large chunk of beef/pork ribs? Goat leg?
*****
These sound fine, but I recommend though that you are sure the both
of you agree on what constitutes a "large chunk." I'm guessing you
need to make the chunk larger yet.

Beef ribs are not generally fed for edible, and the meat on beef
ribs is not abundant. If you want to feed a slab of beef ribs for
the effort, good; to make the event a full meal consider adding some
meat (either a big enough hunk or meat that's cut small enough to
gulp foolishly). I'd think a goat leg would be dandy.

She
> will tackle these with gusto. Big pieces one day then on the next
day
> a piece of kidney with gizzard? I'm lost.
*****
I don't think you're lost. I think you are there but don't
recognize it.

If a goat leg is a Big Meal for your pug, then yes, some kidney or a
rew gizzards would fine small meals the next day. However--based on
what she did with her hunk o' lamb--perhaps the piece of kidney
should be fed in either notably small pieces or a notably larger wad.

If finding the right hunk of meat is difficult, you can always feed
a lovely meaty body part (goat leg is excellent; lamb shank might be
another option, as are tom turkey necks or drums, or trimmed out
pork shoulder half-roasts) one day and an appropriate amount of cut
up meat the next. Or--even--offer a really big hunk o' meat that
she simply cannot jam into her greedy maw but take it away when
she's eaten her share.

Chris O

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3a. Re: Allergies in raw vs. cooked meats
Posted by: "mgitaville" mgitaville@hotmail.com mgitaville
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:59 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Tina Berry" <k9baron@...> wrote:
>
> "A true food allergen isn't going to go away due to raw... "
>
> Unless it's a grain allergy which is super common. Taking grains
out of a
> pets diet has eliminated many allergies - but as mentioned, it can
also be
> other type of allergies not food related.
> --
> Tina Berry - MT
> Kriegshund German Shepherds
> Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
> www.kriegshundgsds.com
>

******As I wrote this I was in the mindset of protein sources so your
clarification is correct. However, even with grains you are still
simply removing the allergen from the diet. The actual allergy
itself does not go away...meaning the animal will still always be
allergic to grain - you are simply choosing not to expose the animal
to it. Obviously with fewer allergens the animal is exposed to
though the better the animal can then handle those which you can not
remove from diet or enviorment.

Marguerita

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4.1. Re: Introduction
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:00 am ((PDT))

Hi Kris,

Congrats on the switch. Your insatiable chewer should be more
satisfied now that he'll be working harder for his food and eating
such yummy stuff! He may have been a snacker because he didn't like
his previous food very well. If he still doesn't want to eat a lot
on raw, check to see if you're overfeeding--but I bet he'll be more
enthusiastic.

I just got a second dog and started him on raw and he did what you're
talking about with half his meal chewed up in his mouth, but still
attached to the rest of it that's outside his mouth. My other dog
doesn't do that. I'm not sure if it's because he's new or what. He
also doesn't use his paws as much as my other dog. It sounds like
yours is doing fine, though, since he's chomping it well.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "motyka_skathock"
<motyka_skathock@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, My name is Kris. I've just switched my dog, Mack, to raw foods.
> Mack is an 8 month old, Lab/pit/GSD/Rotti who is an insatiable
chewer.

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5a. Ready for Next Step/Question about lamb shanks
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:20 am ((PDT))

Hello Everyone...

I've had my two wheatens on raw for about 6 weeks now. While they
have mostly subsisted on chicken (meat, meaty bones, and organs) I
have introduced a little variety in the last two weeks with some
turkey, beef, egg and a smidge of beef liver. I have introduced
these items WITH the chicken (like maybe half chicken/half new item)
and they have both tolerated everything extremely well....nice
firm/never runny poops (aside from Molly's initial episode of cannon
butt early on in week one). My question is....since they are
tolerating this bit of variety well...should I introduce other types
of variety in small bits each week...or would I do well sticking with
the two sources I added....turkey, beef/beef liver...but work to
whole meals of these items to ensure they can tolerate them? Any
advice would be appreciated.

Also...yesterday I found lamb shanks in my grocery store. they were
nice sized pieces--about the size of those monster turkey drumsticks
one finds in the meat case. Depending on feedback regarding my
initial question, I'll either feed them this week or freeze them for
future variety....but when I do feed them should I expect that the
bone is edible? I know that weight bearing bones of larger animals
like cows is hard on teeth, but what about weight bearing bones of
the smaller hooved animals?

Thanks,

Nancy

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5b. Re: Ready for Next Step/Question about lamb shanks
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:40 am ((PDT))

> My question is....since they are tolerating this bit of variety
> well...should I introduce other types of variety in small bits each
> week...or would I do well sticking with the two sources I
> added....turkey, beef/beef liver...but work to whole meals

Meh, you could go either way. Personally I work up to a whole meal of
new stuff before moving on, but that's because I would probably forget
to work up to whole meals in the end. Whatever works best for you guys
is more than ok.

> but when I do feed them should I expect that the bone is edible?

Sure, your pup may not have the jaw strength to break down the bone,
but the bone is still pretty soft compared to beef femurs. I feed legs
of goat, pig and lamb quite often.

Andrea

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6a. Re: 7# Chihuahua Ready for more than chicken
Posted by: "autumnji@aol.com" autumnji@aol.com jayagurumayi
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:40 am ((PDT))

thanks to all who replied and esp giselle,

it is true that i did not do the homework and
got overwhelmed by all the files. im sorry.
by reading the posts i had realized i was way overfeeding
edible bones and couldn't figure out what exactly do feed next.
one of the files actually said their "little" got 3 chicken necks per
day. i know this is not optimal.

thank you all for your devoted energy helping us
confused newbies. starting today i am going for more
meatymeat and less edible bone.

autumn

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6b. Re: 7# Chihuahua Ready for more than chicken
Posted by: "cynthiashankman" ShankMa4@aol.com cynthiashankman
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:42 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, autumnji@... wrote:

> by reading the posts i had realized i was way overfeeding
> edible bones and couldn't figure out what exactly do feed next.
> one of the files actually said their "little" got 3 chicken necks per
> day. i know this is not optimal.

Autumn, Giselle, CatherineR, Andrea, et al,

OMGosh, That is so awesome!!!! Yay Autumn and her little Chi!!! More
meat for Chi!!!

Cynthia

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7a. Question about small dogs and beef bones
Posted by: "Patty Linden" pattykat3@yahoo.com pattykat3
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:30 am ((PDT))

Hi--I was wondering if anyone with small dogs (mine is a 13 lb. pomeranian) would have any suggestions for feeding beef bones. Would beef ribs be a safe bone to feed (as far as not harming his teeth, and would he be able to crush them?). I started my little guy out on chicken a month ago. Lately he is refusing the chicken each time I offer it, but absolutely loves to gnaw on a turkey neck. He is a very careful and methodical eater--but doesn't like to use his paws. When he occasionally uses them to hold the meat or bone, he has to stop and clean those paws before beginning again. Does anyone else have a dog like this? I know he needs to be given a variety of proteins--that is why I am asking about the beef.
Thanks for any suggestions you might have
:-) Patty

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7b. Re: Question about small dogs and beef bones
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:23 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Patty Linden <pattykat3@...>
wrote:
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> Hi--I was wondering if anyone with small dogs (mine is a
> 13 lb. pomeranian) would have any suggestions for feeding
> beef bones.

I have 2 Great Danes and I don't feed them beef bones of any kind.
All the beef they eat is boneless.

> Lately he is refusing the chicken each time I offer it, ...

You need to step up and take the responsibility of deciding the diet
your dog eats. Picky eaters are made not born and your dog is well
on the way to being a picky eater. When one of my dogs refuse
something I put down, I pick it up after 10 monutes of no interest
and put it back in the fridge. Sometimes I don't even wait 10
minutes. He gets nothing to eat until next meal time when I bring
out the same thing again. He continues to get that particular piece
of whatever until he eats it.

> He is a very careful and methodical eater--but doesn't like to
> use his paws.

Neither of my dogs use their paws. I don't worry about it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7c. Re: Question about small dogs and beef bones
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:46 am ((PDT))

Patty,

Most dogs are not able to consume beef bones...but that's OK...just use beef
for a meaty meal. If he's been eating chicken and turkey necks, he's
getting plenty of bone...add some nice red meat....beef, pork, lamb, goat,
etc.

Many dogs don't use paws for their meals....certainly isn't necessary.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Patty Linden" <pattykat3@yahoo.com>

> Hi--I was wondering if anyone with small dogs (mine is a 13 lb.
pomeranian) would have any suggestions for feeding beef bones. Would beef
ribs be a safe bone to feed (as far as not harming his teeth, and would he
be able to crush them?). I started my little guy out on chicken a month
ago. Lately he is refusing the chicken each time I offer it, but absolutely
loves to gnaw on a turkey neck. He is a very careful and methodical
eater--but doesn't like to use his paws. When he occasionally uses them to
hold the meat or bone, he has to stop and clean those paws before beginning
again. Does anyone else have a dog like this? I know he needs to be given
a variety of proteins--that is why I am asking about the beef.

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8a. Kittens Getting Started - weeks 2 thru 14
Posted by: "marclre" marclre@aol.com marclre
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:41 am ((PDT))

Hi All

A few weeks ago I paid a visit to our local Home Depot to pick up some earth and a
shovel. Somehow, instead of the potting soil, about 20 minutes later I found myself
outside their garden dept clutching a box of 4 very tiny kittens. We guessed they were
around 2 weeks old and when the cashier told me they were to be dumped outside the
doors at close of business I was sunk :-0

As luck would have it, Mama was the first cat trapped that night in a long overdue spay/
neuter program and so the kits were spared bottle feeding.

Since then we've watched, gobsmacked, as something that just had to be 'got through'
rapidly turned into a not-to-be-missed saga. Every week there's something new. Not least
an ongoing and for us eye-opening look at the mechanics of raw feeding...at least
somewhat as it might naturally happen.

For the first week or so, life in the laundry room was pretty quiet, Momma ate truly eye-
popping amounts of food and nursed a lot - the babies squeaked and slept a lot. Not
much purposeful locomotion...as with puppies of that age motor skills seemed limited to
vigorous back leg scrabbling which took them most mostly around in circles.

One evening - somewhere around week 3.5 - we plunked down a chicken quarter
and left Mama to hunker down in peace. A few moments later we peeked in and caught a
startling (for me anyway) sight. Said chicken chunk had been highjacked by a miniscule
but extremely determined 'ninja' kitten. That bird was up on a 2 ½ -foot ledge (kitten-free
zone up to that point) and considerably bigger than junior…but no matter. The kitten
tugged, grunted & `sqrowled' with ferocious intent, very shortly joined by ninjas 2 & 3.
Number 4 made it up onto the ledge by climbing over no three's head. We were amused.
How much could they eat after all? Most of Ma's dinner it turned out.

Since then mealtimes have been no holds barred free-for-alls. They're about 14 weeks old
now and whatever makes an appearance on that food mat does not last long! Chicken/
rabbit/beef/pork/goat/lamb/sardines/catfish/herring/feeder chicks/mice/quail are all fair
game...nothing refused so far and very little waste. They also dispatch any bugs...crickets
etc, foolish enough to show themselves.

It's been fascinating to watch all sorts of instinctual behaviours appear and develop. These
guys NEVER stop playing and nothing seems without purpose. From the beginning we put
out plenty of toys – mice/birds/tunnels/trees etc and once they became mobile each new
item was spotted & checked out immediately. Fake prey items were interesting once the
real thing had been tasted & this seemed the point at which hunting/prey-handling
practice started in earnest.

I'm thrilled to say it looks like we may possibly have a fabulous NR home for 2 of these
cuties - Mama will likely be staying with us for a while as she's still pretty shy. This leaves
2 more babies to place. We're not limiting our search to the immediate area, but are more
than willing to drive/fly them wherever it takes in the US/Canada. Anyone interested (or
just in need of a grin) can check out the gang chowing down, playing and generally raising
hell at the link below. Apologies my filmaking skills are extremely basic :-0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdKYgaKIHgE

Marie-Claire ;)

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8b. Re: Kittens Getting Started - weeks 2 thru 14
Posted by: "Patty Linden" pattykat3@yahoo.com pattykat3
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:24 am ((PDT))

Hi All

A few weeks ago I paid a visit to our local Home Depot to pick up some earth and a
shovel. Somehow, instead of the potting soil, about 20 minutes later I found myself
outside their garden dept clutching a box of 4 very tiny kittens.
############

Hi Marie-Claire,
Your movie was fantastic! What were the kittens eating--a mouse? They look so healthy :-)
Patty

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9a. Re: Beef necks??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:58 am ((PDT))

"cmhausrath" <cmhausrath@...> wrote:
>> Ah, but see, back in the glory days of Griffin's diet, back when
> Georgetown Farm in central VA was still raising not only quality
beef
> but also bison, and selling it at a criminally low price and cut
to
> specifications -- back then, I got hunks of beef neck that were
> dripping with meat, with a nice not-terribly-sliced-up chunk of
bone
> in the middle.
(Something like a half a vertebra per chunk, I
> think?
*****
The meat sounds perfect but I choose not to feed such small bones.
If I could find a beef processor here in Sacatomatoes I would pursue
the dream of whole meaty necks but the nearest possibility I've
found is a great Filipino butcher who cuts meat in the "back room".
He's willing to sell me meaty enough aitch bones but the neck he
cuts down for his "serious" customers (the whole shop thinks I'm
nuts). Or else he just plunders necks for the meat.

California, being the fifth wealthiest country in the world, seems
to have no lack of customers for fully processed beef; iconoclasts
be damned.
Chris O

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10a. {Raw Feeding} Lab work
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:15 am ((PDT))

I checked with my vet and they still haven't gotten the results from the
blood work taken from Max on Saturday. And the lab that Dr. Dodd uses is
the same lab that my vet uses. Why spend the extra money, if Dr. Dodd took
the blood sample and did the tests in her own lab I could see doing it but
that's just an extra step that I can avoid if my vet uses the same lab.

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Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok

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10b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Lab work
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:47 am ((PDT))

I was under the impression that Dr. Dodds does everything in-house. I took my dogs in last Thursday and got the personal call from Dr. Dodds on Friday. The paperwork for the titers came in the mail on Saturday, and the paperwork for the full thyroid and blood panels came in on Monday. I don't think that would be possible if they didn't do it in-house. Heck, I didn't think efficiency like that even existed anymore!

BTW, Dr. Dodds is quite possibly one of the nicest people I've ever met.

Sonja

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10c. Re: {Raw Feeding} Lab work
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:47 pm ((PDT))

Are you in California though where she is? I'm in Oklahoma where the vet
would ship it to her in California then they would ship to
Tennessee...what's the point?

Brandi

On 10/31/07, Sonja <ladyver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I was under the impression that Dr. Dodds does everything in-house. I
> took my dogs in last Thursday and got the personal call from Dr. Dodds on
> Friday. The paperwork for the titers came in the mail on Saturday, and the
> paperwork for the full thyroid and blood panels came in on Monday. I don't
> think that would be possible if they didn't do it in-house. Heck, I didn't
> think efficiency like that even existed anymore!
>
> BTW, Dr. Dodds is quite possibly one of the nicest people I've ever met.
>
> Sonja
>
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>
>
>

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Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok

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11a. video - my dog eating a furry rabbit
Posted by: "Lisa S." acbrio@shaw.ca trzazz
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:47 am ((PDT))

Hi,

I posted a couple videos I took of my dog eating two types of raw
food - a whole, furry rabbit ... and a chicken back (when he was a
pup).

Brio eating raw foods pictures / videos:
http://community.webshots.com/user/brioraw

Brio is a 40 pound Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever, two and a half
years old.

If a few people would please tell me if the videos play OK for you
(picture and sound.... or which ones don't), I would appreciate it.
If it doesn't, if anyone has tips for a Mac person with iMovie on how
to make / format a better QuickTime movie for webshots, I'd
appreciate that. It displays choppy for me online.

Note - if the thought of a dog eating a whole, furry rabbit (head,
guts and all) bothers you ..... then you might not want to watch the
rabbit video.

I just ordered 3 more rabbits from my raw group, since my dog
apparently loves them ! It did take him 25 minutes to figure out how
to get started. The video shows clips him eating his first ever
whole, furry rabbit, head first, once he got going. It runs about 4
minutes. It actually took him an hour and a half or so (in two
sessions) to eat the whole rabbit. He ate every scrap - fur, feet and
all. He does his best to never touch his food with his paws, which I
find quite funny. Or perhaps that's a good thing, since he never gets
messy or tracks anything into the house !! I have never had to clean
him off. I guess he's a dainty, gentlemanly eater.

Hopefully I'll post more of videos or pictures at some point.

- Lisa S.
and Brio

Regular dog pictures:
http://community.webshots.com/user/acbrio

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11b. Re: video - my dog eating a furry rabbit
Posted by: "Scott Baker" scottsbaker@gmail.com scottpsbaker
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:47 pm ((PDT))

Wonderfull videos!

On 10/31/07, Lisa S. <acbrio@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I posted a couple videos I took of my dog eating two types of raw
> food - a whole, furry rabbit ... and a chicken back (when he was a
> pup).
>
> Brio eating raw foods pictures / videos:
> http://community.webshots.com/user/brioraw
>
> Brio is a 40 pound Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever, two and a half
> years old.
>
> If a few people would please tell me if the videos play OK for you
> (picture and sound.... or which ones don't), I would appreciate it.
> If it doesn't, if anyone has tips for a Mac person with iMovie on how
> to make / format a better QuickTime movie for webshots, I'd
> appreciate that. It displays choppy for me online.
>
> Note - if the thought of a dog eating a whole, furry rabbit (head,
> guts and all) bothers you ..... then you might not want to watch the
> rabbit video.
>
> I just ordered 3 more rabbits from my raw group, since my dog
> apparently loves them ! It did take him 25 minutes to figure out how
> to get started. The video shows clips him eating his first ever
> whole, furry rabbit, head first, once he got going. It runs about 4
> minutes. It actually took him an hour and a half or so (in two
> sessions) to eat the whole rabbit. He ate every scrap - fur, feet and
> all. He does his best to never touch his food with his paws, which I
> find quite funny. Or perhaps that's a good thing, since he never gets
> messy or tracks anything into the house !! I have never had to clean
> him off. I guess he's a dainty, gentlemanly eater.
>
> Hopefully I'll post more of videos or pictures at some point.
>
> - Lisa S.
> and Brio
>
> .
>
>
>

--
Scott

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11c. Re: video - my dog eating a furry rabbit
Posted by: "Patty Linden" pattykat3@yahoo.com pattykat3
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:47 pm ((PDT))

Hi Lisa--Just wanted to tell you your video was great--a little choppy, like you said. It's so interesting for me to hear that some other's dogs don't like to use their paws to eat--I was beginning to think there was something wrong with my little fellow.
:-) Patty

Hi,

I posted a couple videos I took of my dog eating two types of raw
food - a whole, furry rabbit ... and a chicken back (when he was a
pup).

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12a. Re: Newbi eIntro
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:52 am ((PDT))

> Hmm. Did you take the time to read the Admin Messages you received
> when your subscription was approved? One of them addresses the
> term "BARF" as well as the more representative "raw feeding". Here
> is the beginning paragraph:

LOL Come on. I'm a guy.

First thing I do when I buy something is throw out the instructions.
LOL

I have all the emails going to there own raw folder. I'll go and
actually read them.

Thanks for the links.

Jay

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