[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12218

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Raw friendly vet in the Detroit area?
From: persephoneinfall

2.1. Re: Question
From: Casey Post

3.1. Re: Deer - Chris O.
From: helpshelteranimals

4a. Re: Brand new puppy
From: Tamara
4b. Re: Brand new puppy
From: katkellm
4c. Re: Brand new puppy
From: Andrea
4d. Re: Brand new puppy
From: connie
4e. Re: Brand new puppy
From: marclre

5a. Re: Pork Neck
From: Yasuko herron

6a. Re: sick cat
From: Deb

7a. Salmonella question
From: alexanderdewey
7b. Re: Salmonella question
From: ginny wilken
7c. Re: Salmonella question
From: carnesbill
7d. Re: Salmonella question
From: KIMBERLY

8. Newbi eIntro
From: jaygaughan

9a. Re: Green tripe location
From: Yasuko herron

10a. Re: Whole turkeys
From: kjdaughtridge

11a. Re: starting feeding
From: katkellm
11b. Re: starting feeding
From: Andrea

12a. Re: runny stools
From: Yasuko herron

13a. Re: Bella, yet again.
From: Sandee Lee

14a. {Raw Feeding} Took Max to the vet!
From: Brandi Bryant
14b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Took Max to the vet!
From: Casey Post
14c. Re: {Raw Feeding} Took Max to the vet!
From: Brandi Bryant

15.1. Re: Deer
From: jaygaughan

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1. Raw friendly vet in the Detroit area?
Posted by: "persephoneinfall" persephoneinfall@gmail.com persephoneinfall
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:18 am ((PDT))

Hello all! i know that at least one person on the group lives in the
Detroit area. I was wondering if anyone who lives around here knows
of a vet who is raw-friendly, or at least tolerant. I am not that
excited about my current vet, so a new place would be nice.
Thanks!
Annette.

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2.1. Re: Question
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:37 am ((PDT))

> Most everyone I've talked to regarding my cat and his diagnosis is
> opposed to raw feeding anyway, so of course everyone wants to place
> the blame for the first attack on switching him to the raw diet.
> It's been suggested that if I had left him on kibble, he would not be
> suffering with this disease.

Which I hope you realize is almost certainly not the case. Pancreatitis in
cats is often an auto-immune process. It may also be linked to steriod use,
kidney disease, infectious disease, etc. Which is why vets see kibble fed
cats with pancreatitis all the time.

>Now I am second guessing myself as to
> whether or not I am making the right choices with what I'm feeding
> him, and I feel completely helpless because no one has been able to
> give me any definitive answers, not even the vets.

Unfortunately, pancreatitis in cats isn't as well understood as they'd like.

>I am looking for
> any information that will help me to make an informed decision about
> his diet. Any ideas or thoughts are greatly appreciated.

All I can tell you is what I know. Bacteria are everywhere - no matter what
you feed, your cat will still groom himself and be exposed to all manner of
normal bacteria that exist both in cats and in their environment.

The pancreas plays a role in digestion. It would make sense to me to take
as much burden off the organ as possible by feeding frequent small, bland
meals of something easy to digest and assimilate...for me, that would mean
raw (until he recovers, it would mean boneless raw meats with possibly
excess fatty bits removed).

Fluids and whatever other supportive care is warranted must also be
considered, of course, but I fail to see how any vet can make a case for
something as unnatural as dry food being "easier" on a damaged pancreas than
raw...

Casey

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3.1. Re: Deer - Chris O.
Posted by: "helpshelteranimals" helpshelteranimals@yahoo.com helpshelteranimals
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> There is no research that indicates CWD is transferrable to wolves.
> Cats, yes. Dogs, no.
> Chris O
*************

Should I not feed my cats the deer meat then? Yikes!

(Remember I'm a first time Venison feeder!)

AG & Ruffian (mystery mutt)

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4a. Re: Brand new puppy
Posted by: "Tamara" tsfairish@sbcglobal.net tamarafairish
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:10 am ((PDT))

Thank you, Marie-Claire & Kathy.
It's good to know I can give her something bony today!
Can I ask for more clarification/feedback?

I'm gathering that you feed the food cold out of the refrigerator? I
was told to make things "mouse temperature" for my cat, so I assumed
the same with my puppy. She's just a baby, and cold out of the fridge
doesn't seem natural for her tummy. Thoughts?

I had read not to grind, but my cat won't eat bones unless they're
ground. He will eat good-sized chunks of meat, which I give him in
addition to the raw ground bones, meat, organs, eggs (which he also
won't eat alone), etc. In the ground recipe he's also getting Taurine
supplementation, too -- the lack of eating bones and possibly too
little taurine were issues which were concerning me when I tried to
start him out on the non-ground prey model diet. Thoughts?

Thanks again, Tamara

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4b. Re: Brand new puppy
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Tamara" <tsfairish@...> wrote:
> I'm gathering that you feed the food cold out of the refrigerator? I
> was told to make things "mouse temperature" for my cat, so I assumed
> the same with my puppy. She's just a baby, and cold out of the fridge
> doesn't seem natural for her tummy. Thoughts?

Hi Tamara,
You and i both are on the same page as far as feeding meat at room
temperature. What i meant about "defrost and feed" was not to feed it
cold, but was my attempt to help you see that it could/should be way
easier than you were making it. I usually defrost my stuff on the
counter, so when i feed, it is room temp. If it feels cold to me, i
run it under a little warm water. I'll leave the cat stuff to
Marie-Claire because i have no cat skills worth sharing. KathyM

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4c. Re: Brand new puppy
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:10 am ((PDT))

> I was told to make things "mouse temperature" for my cat, so I assumed
> the same with my puppy. She's just a baby, and cold out of the fridge
> doesn't seem natural for her tummy. Thoughts?

Some pups and dogs have trouble with cold foods, some don't think twice
about it. Both of my boys eat food straight from the fridge without
any problems. Try both with your pup and see if it makes a difference
for her.

> I had read not to grind, but my cat won't eat bones unless they're
> ground.

I fought a long and hard battle with my cats to get them to whole food
and most of the time it seemed like they were winning. What worked
best for me was to offer really soft bones at first and slowly work up
from there. Cornish game hens have rediculously soft bones, so that
might be a place to start.

> the lack of eating bones and possibly too little taurine were issues
> which were concerning me when I tried to start him out on the non-
> ground prey model diet. Thoughts?

From what I remember, taurine is present in muscles and is found in
greatest concentration in muscles that are used a lot. I feed heart
often to the cats for this reason. It seems like bone would be more
important for calcium than taurine.

With cats it is often one step forward, two steps back. For two years
I have been cutting up their food into largish chunks since they would
refuse to eat anything larger than a drumstick. This weekend I was in
a hurry and gave the three cats a half chicken for dinner, fully
expecting that I would have to pick it up and chop it in a few
minutes. Imagine my surprise when all three of them just dug in! I've
never been prouder of the little furballs!

Andrea

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4d. Re: Brand new puppy
Posted by: "connie" justbullies@hotmail.com bullienut
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:03 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, tamara <tsfairish@> wrote:
> First, at what point do I go ahead and give puppy
> > raw meaty bones, and which do I start with -- chicken wings or neck
> >or what?
>

Hi Tamara,
I am weaning 3 puppies onto raw and feed 3 adult dogs on raw. My
puppies are six weeks old and have been eating raw since 4 weeks old.
The love chicken breast meat w/ bone, Chicken thigh w/ bones. They
really love cornish hens and work them over really well. I was
quartering them, now I just cut in half. I started with a little ground
meats w/goats milk and realized by 4.5 weeks of age they have some nice
little chompers in their mouths. What`s left of their meal mamma dog
gets to clean up. I have also given wide strips off a beef brisket.That
was a little tough but they had a blast. They still get a sip from the
milk bar now and then when mom feels like it. And these are all
bulldogs I feed. I have a ice cream bucket I fill with quartered
chicken and a rectangle contaniner I fill with beef tongue, liver
brisket, pork or what ever special I have found other than chicken, in
the bottom shelf of my fridge. Thats everyones meals for the week. I
take rec. bones straight from the freezer when I feel need to give
them. Planning ahead makes it much easier than day by day. If someone
doesn`t eat..let`s say their chicken...it goes back in the bucket for
next feeding. I hope this helps.
~connie~
and a bunch of bulldogs
www.justbullies.com

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4e. Re: Brand new puppy
Posted by: "marclre" marclre@aol.com marclre
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:13 pm ((PDT))

**Hi again Paula

"I'm gathering that you feed the food cold out of the refrigerator?"

***it honestly depeneds on the dog/cat you're feeding. For some dogs/cats/pups/kits I'll
allow food to warm up by leaving out of the fridge for a bit. For some cats I'll plunk a
couple of mice into a baggie & leave in a bowl of warm water for a few mins - for others I'll
just leave the chow out and let them decide when it's reached the preferred temp. My dog
is very partial to crunchy frozen-solid rabbit's feet as treats and has never given a hoot
about food temperature. You will probably find your young fella' ma lad is tougher than
you think ;)***

"I had read not to grind, but my cat won't eat bones unless they're ground. He will eat
good-sized chunks of meat, which I give him in addition to the raw ground bones, meat,
organs, eggs (which he also won't eat alone), etc."

***For a bunch of different reasons adult cats are often trickier to transition to rpm than
dogs so you're doing well. My personal experience is that if you're prepared to apply
enough cunning & elbow grease, most kitties will eventually agree to it ;) The key thing is
to go at the cat's own individual pace and never *ever* try and force the issue - especially
not by withholding food. This is a v bad idea as if cats don't consume sufficient calories
they can very quickly develop organ failure, become very ill and possibly die.

In getting them to consume bone, beginning with smallish rodents and softer-boned
critters like chicken and rabbit has always worked well for me. My kittens were making a
good job of this by only about 4 weeks old.

Sounds as if you've made a pretty good start with your guys ;) and need only stick with it.
If you check out the archives at rawcat you'll find all sorts of dastardly ingenious
suggestions for coaxing even the most elderly and stubborn of cat personalities onto 'full
metal jacket' raw prey model. Don't forget to check out the links I gave you.

"In the ground recipe he's also getting Taurine supplementation, too"

what exactly is in the ground recipe you're feeding at the moment? The thing is that
provided he's getting a decent prey model diet your cat shouldn't need it supplemented by
Taurine or anything else. So when you were feeding rpm before, you were actually fretting
needlessly ;) The one possible exception to this rule may possibly be good quality fish oil
in the event you're not able to feed enough grass fed meat or omega 3 rich fish. Otherwise
you don't need to add any supplements at all. Notta thing ;)

Marie-Claire***

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5a. Re: Pork Neck
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:10 am ((PDT))

>>I also got pork necks which I
> know lots of people feed but they look so tiny (they where chopped
> up in the supermarket package) I'm worried about choking.

Hi. I get Pork Neck from supermarket but,my corgi dog 35lb eats it fine and no choking at all. It is not hard bone either compare to Beef Neck. She eats all.

I get mine little bigger than my fist size and my dog never be able to swallow whole with that size.

My suggestion to you is,if you find smaller piece of anything on meat shelf at supermarket,ask the meat guy if he/she has unsliced anything or any bigger size of what you want.

You find oxtail on meat shelf with probably around 1 inch size chunk,don't you?

I asked the meat guy and I got whole oxtail. So,if you ask them,you may get lucky item from behind the counter:-P

Pork neck is somewhat bony so,I usually add more pork meat to that meat.

Hope this tip helps.

yassy

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6a. Re: sick cat
Posted by: "Deb" thegrittons@yahoo.com thegrittons
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:25 am ((PDT))

Your poor kitty's mouth must be sore. I doubt it was any food that you
fed him (he's on strictly raw, right?). But, cats can show his
symptoms when they have a reaction to something inhaled, i.e. litter
dust, new perfume or home fragrances like glade sprays or febreeze.
Or, it is possible for a mother cat to pass on some viruses to her
babies while in the womb, and while they are nursing. A couple of
those are FCV, FHV, and Chlamydia. Feline Chlamydia affects the mucus
membranes around the eyes, nose/mouth. Makes them inflamed and swollen,
and causes chronic conjuctivitis and nasal discharge. FCV and FHV look
similar, with the red spots in the mouth, drooling, muscle and joint
pain. The only thing the vet usually does is put the pet on
antibiotics to knock out any secondary bacterial infections that may
occur. There's no actual treatment for FCV and FHV since they are
viruses. You may see flare-ups every once in a while at times of
stress, or for no apparent reason. I know a couple of people with a
cat with FCV, and they use an herbal remedy for the pain. There are
also some oily plants that can cause sores in the mouth when chewed on.
So, that's my opinion - my 2 cents' worth! Hope this helps in some way.
Good luck!
~Deb~

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Felicia Kost <saphiradane@...> wrote:
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> I have a young cat that I have been raw feeding for about 8 months. I
noticed the other day his fur was wet on his chest. Upon further
investigation he was drooling.

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7a. Salmonella question
Posted by: "alexanderdewey" alexanderdewey@yahoo.com alexanderdewey
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

Forgive me if this is already in the archives (I've looked but cannot
read them all).

I've read that dogs CAN get salmonella. Can someone please tell me
under what circumstances this happens?

My dogs been eating raw chicken for a month with no problems, but I'm
curious. Thanks,

Alex

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7b. Re: Salmonella question
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:48 am ((PDT))

On Oct 29, 2007, at 10:35 AM, alexanderdewey wrote:

> Forgive me if this is already in the archives (I've looked but cannot
> read them all).
>
> I've read that dogs CAN get salmonella. Can someone please tell me
> under what circumstances this happens?

Salmonella is pretty much everywhere, and any organism on earth has
probably built up an immune defense against its proliferation. In an
animal with a defense system weakened by vaccines and other
destructive aspects, the salmonella will, like any proper
opportunistic bacterium, proliferate and cause potential ill health.

So the answer is, one is at risk if there are certain inherited
predilections, if the immune system has been seriously weakened by
drugs, vaccines, poor food, bad living conditions, and/or there is
other serious disease present.

This likely exempts your rawfed dogs.

ginny and Tomo

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7c. Re: Salmonella question
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:03 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, ginny wilken <gwilken@...> wrote:
>
> In an
> animal with a defense system weakened by vaccines and other
> destructive aspects, the salmonella will, like any proper
> opportunistic bacterium, proliferate and cause potential
> ill health.

I would love to see some kind of credible evidence that a vaccinated
dog is more susceptible to salmonella than a non-vaccinated dog. I
have never personally known ANY dog to have salmonella that was
diagonsed by lab tests.

> So the answer is, one is at risk if there are certain inherited
> predilections, if the immune system has been seriously
> weakened by
> drugs, vaccines, poor food, bad living conditions, and/or
> there is
> other serious disease present.

I would also be interested in finding out which drugs causes a dog
to be more susceptible to salmonella.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7d. Re: Salmonella question
Posted by: "KIMBERLY" currysmax@embarqmail.com currysmax
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:04 pm ((PDT))

I am pouring over as many posts as possible in the next week as I am seriously considering changing over. I have cut the following from another post:

So the answer is, one is at risk if there are certain inherited
predilections, if the immune system has been seriously weakened by
drugs, vaccines, poor food, bad living conditions, and/or there is
other serious disease present.

This likely exempts your rawfed dogs.

My question is:
Does this mean that we should not be giving rawfed dogs any vaccines?

Kimberly

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8. Newbi eIntro
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

Hello all.

I'm new to the list. My name is Jay and I live in Middlebury CT.

I'll be getting my new Black Dane puppy in a few weeks and he will be
my first to feed all raw.
I've had 2 other Black Danes in the past.

I'm reading everything I can get my hands on as far as BARF goes.
Seems straight forward and makes perfect sense to me. I'm also an avid
archery hunter and fisherman so my lucky dog will be getting lots of
fresh meat and fish in his diet.

Time to start going over the tons post here. Hope I can contribute
after I'm more knowledgeable in the BARF subject.

Jay

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9a. Re: Green tripe location
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

>http://www.sitstay.com/store/edibles/tripett.shtml

Hi,Josephine. Thank you for the link.I looked at it. It is interesting they have lamb tripe too.

But did you look at ingredient? What is vegetable Gum?? It is one of the ingredient for lamb tripe.I wonder if it is ok or not.

>its from upper ny state. and i pay just over $1 per lb its in 5 lb tubes

Tube??? I saw just cans. was I looking different page??

I think that tripe treat that is only rawtripe as ingredients is interesting too.

if in east coast,then,shipping fee may not be too pricy too.

thanks,

yassy

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10a. Re: Whole turkeys
Posted by: "kjdaughtridge" kjdaughtridge@yahoo.com kjdaughtridge
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

Thanks to all who replied. As it turns out, my dogs knew better than I did. They both walked
away when they were full--even before they were bloated. I put what remained of the birds
into hefty bags and back in the fridge. I guess I'll keep pulling them out until the dogs finish
thm or until they are too disgusting for me to put back in the fridge, whichever comes first.

-Kathleen D

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11a. Re: starting feeding
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:05 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:>
>The third
> week I think it would be good to alternate chicken quarters with
> turkey necks in the evening,

Hi Bill,
Can i please make a suggestion? I remember--or at least i think i
remember, hard to tell some days---that you clarified your use of
turkey necks by saying that the ones you fed are at least a foot long
and that you order them. The ones i see most often in grocery stores
just don't fit that description so, maybe, i'm not looking to debate
anything because i have read your debate posts and you could lose me
in a phone booth, you could, if in fact my memory is serving rather
than failing me, state the kind/size of turkey necks you are feeding.
I just think it would be easier for newbies if things appeared
consistent in that respect.

KathyM who says please don't debate post back at me

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11b. Re: starting feeding
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:14 am ((PDT))

I believe that the turkey necks sold in grocery stores are usually cut
in half. I ordered a case of turkey necks once and was surprised at
how long they were.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:

> you clarified your use of turkey necks by saying that the ones you
> fed are at least a foot long and that you order them. The ones i
> see most often in grocery stores just don't fit that description

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12a. Re: runny stools
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:28 am ((PDT))

>> does pumpkin help to firm up stool?

Hi.I second to chris. Evaluate your feeding and tweak the feeding for your dog.

I hear that home-made feeders feed pumpkin (cooked and mashed) for fiber intake, and manyu tend to rely on it if runny stool comes. It does firm up because of fiber but,feeding too much fiber(pumpkin) cause worse diarrhea if fed too much I heard.

And if you feed bone also,then,bone+fiber may cause constipation too.

Not good....

So,try what chris has suggested and see if they helps.

oh,one question..Orange peeled pumpkin that people use for curving is edible??I did not care for it..could have been just for curving purpose?? I have never ate pumpkin for 5 years because I wasn't sure...and I cannot find kabocha.

yassy

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13a. Re: Bella, yet again.
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:45 am ((PDT))

Hi Renate,

I don't see anything wrong with what she is eating. It is normal for them
to crave certain foods, refuse others (usually bone). I wouldn't worry
about it...you don't need to add any supplements (especially calcium) or
inappropriate foods. And yes, the color and consistency of her stool
reflects what she is eating....meat, organs, no bone. No big deal!! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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14a. {Raw Feeding} Took Max to the vet!
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:03 pm ((PDT))

I took Max to the vet Saturday morning. The vet did not try to persuade me
into feeding kibble when I told him I fed a raw diet. He took 3 skin
scrapings, going to run some blood test. But he does not think that he's
got hypothyroid because Max isn't fat. He weights 83.8 lbs - and the vet
did give him some antibodics. The test results will be in sometime this
week, and when I can he's requested that I send in a stool sample. He's
been on the antibodics for 3 days now.

I will keep you all posted on how he's doing and what the tests show....oh
what is cushings disease in dogs?

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Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok

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14b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Took Max to the vet!
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:21 pm ((PDT))

> But he does not think that he's
> got hypothyroid because Max isn't fat.

Typical. Just so you know, dogs don't have to be fat to be hypothyroid.
Too many vets think that they do, so you may have to be more proactive on
this one.

> I will keep you all posted on how he's doing and what the tests show....oh
> what is cushings disease in dogs?

http://www.kateconnick.com/library/cushingsdisease.html

Casey

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14c. Re: {Raw Feeding} Took Max to the vet!
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:49 pm ((PDT))

>>>Typical. Just so you know, dogs don't have to be fat to be hypothyroid.
Too many vets think that they do, so you may have to be more proactive on
this one. <<<

After the blood tests come back and if it's not the things that he's looking
for then he will run the hypothroid tests on the blood that he's already
taken, I'm assuming!

--
Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok

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15.1. Re: Deer
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:15 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone. I'm new here and to raw feeding but this is a subject
I'm very familiar with. I'm an avid archery hunter and fisherman and
belong to an archery club.

I live in Middlebury CT. If you have and land (any size at all) that
has deer on it I can help you stock your freezer for free. I have a
limited amount of deer tags for most areas in CT (6 deer tags). Some
areas such as Fairfield I can get replacement deer tags to take more
since the population is considered over populated. I've been archery
hunting for over 25yrs. I'm very safe and discrete. Your neighbors
don't even have to know you have a hunter coming over. By the way,
its complete legal and you have NO liability what so ever for anyone
hunting on your land in CT. Just an offer I thought I would put out
there.

A little about CWD. It has not been found in CT yet. But it most
likely soon will be. This is the same disease called by many names
for all kinds of animals including humans. The only way animals and
humans get this type of disease is from eating BRAINS of animals,
eating infected animals, or via saliva from eating off the same food
source of infected animals.
Cows were fed ground up cow parts including BRAINS and got Mad Cow.
Deer on farms ate ground up meats that included BRAINS and came up
with CWD. Human's cannibals get it from eating human Brains. Google
it up and you'll find this disease in every animal group that eats
brains. It always goes back to eating brains.
So PLEASE DO NOT drop piles of food out to feed deer. If you are
going to feed deer (or any wild animals) spread out the grain on the
ground so the deer aren't all eating from the same pile passing
diseases such as CWD around via their saliva.

Also you might want to call the local police and inform them you are
picking up a road kill deer. If the DEP sees you with a dead deer not
legally tagged you can be arrested. I know this sounds crazy but
trust me, I've seen people arrested for this very thing.

If you live near a place like a forest where people hunt leave a note
on their car asking them to call you for the deer carcass. The inners
are always left in the woods since you take them out immediately to
cool the meat so it doesn't rot. Most discard parts such as the ribs
are great for dogs.

I can also help out some with fresh fish if you want it. Blue fish
are loaded with good oils (Omega's) and are in the Sound now. I
caught a dozen over 14lbs the other night and my boat looked like a
murder scene. I'm freezing a bunch for my breeder up in NY since she
has no way to get fish.

Jay

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