[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12211
There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: best suppliers?
From: Giselle
1b. Re: best suppliers?
From: amvilppu
1c. Re: best suppliers?
From: Morledzep@aol.com
2a. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
From: denise strother
3a. Re: Pig feet
From: amvilppu
4a. Re: white poops (was Somebody kill me NOW)
From: Laurie Swanson
5.1. Newbie with questions
From: Dawn Ruhl
6a. Sweet Breads, Spleen & Tongue ...yum yum?
From: amvilppu
6b. Re: Sweet Breads, Spleen & Tongue ...yum yum
From: Giselle
6c. Re: Sweet Breads, Spleen & Tongue ...yum yum?
From: katkellm
6d. Re: Sweet Breads, Spleen & Tongue ...yum yum?
From: Morledzep@aol.com
7a. Re: Why is Liver so important?
From: jennifer_hell
8a. Re: 8 year old with sugar
From: raeminpin24
8b. Re: 8 year old with sugar
From: raeminpin24
8c. Re: 8 year old with sugar
From: raeminpin24
8d. Re: 8 year old with sugar
From: raeminpin24
8e. Re: 8 year old with sugar
From: raeminpin24
9a. Re: Marrow bone question
From: raeminpin24
10a. Vet is horrified
From: URSULA
10b. Re: Vet is horrified
From: katkellm
10c. Re: Vet is horrified
From: Morledzep@aol.com
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1a. Re: best suppliers?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:56 pm ((PDT))
The Lis List;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/139618
Post #139618
And some raw feeding info;
http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://www.rawlearning.com/supplementmyths.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html
http://mypetcarnivore.com/dogs_eating.htm
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374
post # 141374
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/144402
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
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On 10/27/07, Morledzep@aol.com <Morledzep@aol.com> wrote:
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> Rachael and Annaliisa,
>
> in CA we have the distinct benefit of having one of the best meat buying
> groups in the country. we get GREAT deals on a great variety of meats on
> and off
> the bone.
>
> SoCalBarf.com go to the FAQ page and read the instructions..
>
> and for finding deals in the grocery stores here is a handy website:
>
> _http://www.sundaysaver.com/#3_ (http://www.sundaysaver.com/#3)
>
> But the best way to find meat sources is to go to the yahoo group
> Carnivore
> Feeder/Supplier and put your location in the subject line. And the "Lis
> list".
>
> Catherine R.
>
>
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1b. Re: best suppliers?
Posted by: "amvilppu" amvilppu@hotmail.com amvilppu
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:45 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@... wrote:
>
> Rachael and Annaliisa,
>
> in CA we have the distinct benefit of having one of the best meat buying
> groups in the country. we get GREAT deals on a great variety of meats on and off
> the bone.
>
> SoCalBarf.com go to the FAQ page and read the instructions..
>
Catherine-
Thank you so much for the SoCalBarf contact! I am really excited. So many great buys!
Now we just need a freezer to store those big shipments. Hmm now where would I fit that
in an apartment? Obviously this group doesn't only feed based on the prey model since
they have ground mixes that include veggies and refer to themselves as BARF feeders.
Anyone give you grief about only feeding meat, organs and bone? I don't really want to
deal with people who are going to try to convince me I'm doing the wrong thing for my
dog. That's not worth even the best deals on meat. Rachel if you have limited space too
we could split some orders. Contact me privately and let me know if you're interested.
Thanks again,
Annaliisa, Drew and Boxer pup Laila
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1c. Re: best suppliers?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:03 am ((PDT))
In a message dated 10/27/2007 1:45:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
amvilppu@hotmail.com writes:
Anyone give you grief about only feeding meat, organs and bone?
Annaliisa,
NO.. never.. in fact, most of us are prey model feeders.. what socalbarf does
is buy stuff in bulk to get better deals for the members.. nothing more.
There are all kinds of raw feeders, no one judges other folks choices.
Read the message board, you'll see. The prey model feeders sometimes have
some input when the BARF feeders ask questions, but there is no bashing, no one
is going to treat you badly because of what you buy or what you feed to your
dogs.
the biggest beefs on the message board have to do with volunteering and folks
expecting the work to get done magically by elves... lol.
Catherine R.
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2a. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
Posted by: "denise strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:44 am ((PDT))
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I run a dog daycare and do fostering too, so some days there's just not enough hours in the day. That's what's so great about this list, there's always somebody around to answer questions! My Pittie girl can eat just legs ok too. She is only 48lbs and can swallow a leg whole, but she doesn't. The real reason to feed him bigger is because it is more satisfying physically and mentally for your dog. Just find some whole chickens on sale and cut them in half if they are around 3lb chickens. That size would be a good place to start for a big guy like yours. Then adjust the amount according to whether your dog gains, looses or maintains his weight. While you feed through a week or so of chickens, read the suggested reading on this groups home page and keep reading the posts. There are plenty of people on this group to help you with any questions or concerns. You and Achilles are gonna love raw feeding. Denise
liebo1134 <liebo1134@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Denise thanks for the response . . . my boy is 75 lbs. so I guess the chicken drumsticks
were too small? Where would I go about getting chicken quarters and necks and stuff like
that? He chewed up the bone pretty well but i guess it was dangerous . . . how concerned do
i have to be about Achilles licking me while or after eating the raw chicken?
Thanks,
Jeremy
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3a. Re: Pig feet
Posted by: "amvilppu" amvilppu@hotmail.com amvilppu
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:44 am ((PDT))
> *****
> The are fatty, and bony, too. They are too small for my dogs but I
> feed a larger version (cleverly called "long feet") that carry a
> decent though not lavish amount of meat: these keep my dogs occupied
> and happy and well fed.
>
> If you saw sliced feet, I recommend you ask for or keep looking for
> unsliced feet that will be a greater challenge to you dog.
> Chris O
>
These were a good 6 to 7 inches long, as best as I can estimate. I think I will pick some up
for a fun munch. On the subject of pig, Laila had her first pork tonight and I have never seen
her eat with such glee! She often eats a meal over several hours, munching and then
wandering off to return to munch (when we are able to supervise, don't want a repeat of the
drumstick buried in the duvet). Not with pork! She chowed until it was gone and then has
been staring at me longingly since then. Thanks for all the advice Chris and everyone on the
list. I have learned so much!
Annaliisa, Drew and Boxer pup Laila
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4a. Re: white poops (was Somebody kill me NOW)
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:44 am ((PDT))
Hi Tara,
Well, my thoughts/experience is that the more bone you feed, generally
the whiter and drier the stool is. And if it's too dry, it's harder
for the dog to pass. And if it's too dry for too long, they can get
constipated. But it's not a critical thing to worry about every poop.
And some people report brown poops coming out, but turning white and
powdery after a bit in the yard. I don't have that, but my dog goes in
a litter box on a covered deck, and I clean it out pretty quickly, so
that's probably why. Anyway, what's important is how it comes out of
the dog. But again, if all seems well, you probably don't need to
worry about it!
Laurie
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tlduran1" <tlduran1@...> wrote:
>why "white and powdery" poops is bad???
>
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5.1. Newbie with questions
Posted by: "Dawn Ruhl" Dawnofthedanes@mac.com dawnofthedanes
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:45 am ((PDT))
Speaking from experience, I have an 11 year old Dane permanent
foster who was turned into rescue for killing a neighbor's calf and
eating it. Now.... 7 years of being fed raw later... he will go and
play with
and bark at the cows, but no longer has any interest in killing
anything.
I believe that killing has more to do with prey drive, and two of the
dogs that I have had in 14 years of raw feeding actually hunted and
consumed their prey and both were doing it prior to me switching them
to raw.
One was a GSD (who lived to be 18, BTW) and
the other was a beagle mix.... My Danes are way too lazy
and prefer they be served their meals. But Kuma and Daisy loved to hunt
together, and it was quite amazing to watch them hunt. If the neighbor's
chicken happened to be in the way of them chasing a rabbit, they would
go around the chicken or just run it over. They loved their chicken
meals,
but weren't interested in killing one. Thank God!
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Newbie with questions
Posted by: "currysmax" currysmax@embarqmail.com currysmax
Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:19 pm (PST)
I am very new and have been scouring over the posts for learning. Have
not yet started the raw feeding, still researching.
I have an 8 year old German Shepherd, dominant female and is the alpha
dog of our household but doesn't cause problems as long as I do not
bring in another alpha bitch. 2 male chihuahua's, 6 months & 3 months
and of all things a mini male poodle just over 1 yr.
My question is this: When you feed raw rabbit, etc. will this cause
the dog to chase live food such as livestock, getting into the rabbit
cages, etc?
Thanks in advance,
Kimberly
~;*;~ Dawn ~;*;~
"There's enough for a Bull, There's enough for a Bear,
But, there's never enough for a Pig"- John P Ruhl Sr.
http://www.dawnofthedanes.com
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6a. Sweet Breads, Spleen & Tongue ...yum yum?
Posted by: "amvilppu" amvilppu@hotmail.com amvilppu
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:45 am ((PDT))
Hi-
Just curious. What are Sweetbreads? Does anyone feed spleen and tongue. And if so how
often and do your dogs seems to like it? Just looking at some meat on-line and was curious.
Thanks as always for all the info for us newbies.
Annaliisa, Drew and Boxer pup Laila
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6b. Re: Sweet Breads, Spleen & Tongue ...yum yum
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:23 am ((PDT))
Hi, Annalisa!
Sweetbreads are the thymus gland &/or pancreas;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetbread
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
On 10/27/07, amvilppu <amvilppu@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi-
>
> Just curious. What are Sweetbreads? Does anyone feed spleen and tongue.
> And if so how
> often and do your dogs seems to like it? Just looking at some meat on-line
> and was curious.
> Thanks as always for all the info for us newbies.
>
> Annaliisa, Drew and Boxer pup Laila
>
>
>
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6c. Re: Sweet Breads, Spleen & Tongue ...yum yum?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:12 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "amvilppu" <amvilppu@...> wrote:
> Does anyone feed spleen and tongue. And if so how
> often and do your dogs seems to like it?
Hi Annaliisa,
My dogs really like tongue. They'll eat spleen but without much
enthusiasm. If your dogs are newbies, sorry i just can't seem to keep
up with stuff, i wouldn't feed either as a solo meal right off because
both tend to be rich and could cause loose stools. As a part of the
prey animal, i try to offer a side of spleen with a bony meal maybe
once a month. They probably eat tongue 2-3 times a month. Again, at
least at the beginning, i would feed a side of tongue with a bone
meal. KathyM
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6d. Re: Sweet Breads, Spleen & Tongue ...yum yum?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:14 am ((PDT))
In a message dated 10/27/2007 1:45:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
amvilppu@hotmail.com writes:
Just curious. What are Sweetbreads? Does anyone feed spleen and tongue. And
if so how
often and do your dogs seems to like it? Just looking at some meat on-line
and was curious.
Thanks as always for all the info for us newbies.
Annaliisa,
i buy sweetbreads a few times a year.. they are organs as are spleens. i buy
the pork and beef spleens often, the dogs love em. Which of course means
they are icky and smell bad.. lol. The sweetbreads have no odor that i can tell
for sure, but my nose doesn't work as well as it used to, the dogs like them
too.
the organ "rotation" goes something like this.. sweetbreads (beef), kidneys
(pork and beef), spleen (pork and beef), and liver (beef, buffalo and ostrich).
I don't count hearts as organs, they are really tough muscles and therefore,
at least at my house are fed as muscle meat. a meal of beef heart and pork
spleen wouldn't be unusual. or even a meal of organs with pig feet or lamb
breast.
i'm not a very organized raw feeder, i have no set schedule. what the dogs
eat is basically whatever i thaw out, and if i forget to thaw something, they
don't eat, but will get a larger meal the following day. if i remember to thaw
organs once a week it's a miracle.. sometimes i forget about organs for 2
whole weeks in a row.. lol.
Catherine R.
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7a. Re: Why is Liver so important?
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:45 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Sheryl Edelen <sophiiblu@...> wrote:
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> I'm also a great believer in the power of Parmesean cheese. Cut the
liver into bite sized chunks and then sprinkle it on there. I also try
to feed liver coming off a fast day, when I know everyone's really
ready to eat.
>
Thanks everybody! I'll try all tricks when the day comes. I'm going to
be sneaky if I have to. Lol!
Jennifer with Mandy
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8a. Re: 8 year old with sugar
Posted by: "raeminpin24" raeminpin24@yahoo.com raeminpin24
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:46 am ((PDT))
++++Mod note: don't forget to sign your emails! thx. +++++
Yes, I mean Diabetes I am sorry I forget when it comes to the net
that I am speaking with with many people from differnt areas. As for
the allergies I never knew what they are the vet said to much money
to run test and never garenteed. I am speaking 2 differnt subjects
and not always good at explaining what I am meaning.
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8b. Re: 8 year old with sugar
Posted by: "raeminpin24" raeminpin24@yahoo.com raeminpin24
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:47 am ((PDT))
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Right now they are all 3 doing well with this and started with
chicken then added pork ribs and then differnt types beef hamburger
and tonight new york strips and then added mackrel and salmon. We
also went to the butcher shop and got what I think you all are
speaking the meaty bones and that I give then 3 nights a weeks. So I
am at 4 nights chicken, 2 nights beef and 1 day fish all nights at 2%
body weight.
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8c. Re: 8 year old with sugar
Posted by: "raeminpin24" raeminpin24@yahoo.com raeminpin24
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:48 am ((PDT))
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Thank you for the website and I will read that today as 2 years ago
my vet wanted to put her down and I said no I will do something for
her then I read about this raw diet and what people are saying from
my 1 pups breeder. I am willing to do anything.
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8d. Re: 8 year old with sugar
Posted by: "raeminpin24" raeminpin24@yahoo.com raeminpin24
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:11 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "raeminpin24" <raeminpin24@...>
wrote:
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> ++++Mod note: don't forget to sign your emails +++++++++++
>
> Right now they are all 3 doing well with this and started with
> chicken then added pork ribs and then differnt types beef hamburger
> and tonight new york strips and then added mackrel and salmon. We
> also went to the butcher shop and got what I think you all are
> speaking the meaty bones and that I give then 3 nights a weeks. So I
> am at 4 nights chicken, 2 nights beef and 1 day fish all nights at 2%
> body weight.
>
Thanx Rae
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8e. Re: 8 year old with sugar
Posted by: "raeminpin24" raeminpin24@yahoo.com raeminpin24
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:11 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "raeminpin24" <raeminpin24@...>
wrote:
>
> ++++Mod note: don't forget to sign your emails +++++++++++
>
>
> Thank you for the website and I will read that today as 2 years ago
> my vet wanted to put her down and I said no I will do something for
> her then I read about this raw diet and what people are saying from
> my 1 pups breeder. I am willing to do anything.
>
Thanx Rae
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9a. Re: Marrow bone question
Posted by: "raeminpin24" raeminpin24@yahoo.com raeminpin24
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:48 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...>
wrote:
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> "T Smith" <coldbeach@> wrote:
> >
> > I know many don't feed them but I have for many years.
> > My dogs/puppies like to chew on things & have various toys but
the
> bones
> > will keep them busy. When they get bored with pulling the meat &
some
> > chewing, I throw them away:
> *****
> Where do you find marrow bones with pullable meat on them?
> Chris O
>
I get really nice ones at our local meat market (butcher shop) and
they pull the meat off chew them for a while then toss. They are
usally good size bones and they can not eat the whole bones and this
keeps mine busy for about 2 and a half hours in the evening. I just
called them and told them mine are on a raw diet and I need what
people are calling meaty bones meaning some meat on them. And paid
3.00 for 10 pound and I bag and freeze until ready to use.
Hope this helps Rae
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10a. Vet is horrified
Posted by: "URSULA" UCL@NEUF.FR ursula21c
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:49 am ((PDT))
Hello again
My lab had constant diarrea and we took her to our vet practice
yesterday. The vet asked the usual questions, length of time with the
problem, diet and eating things she shouldn't on a walk. We told the
new lady vet everything we could. When it came to diet I explained our
dogs were fed like wolves. This horrified the vet and she kept asking:
what no vegetables? no rice? She spent a good ten minutes lecturing
my husband and myself on how cruel it was not to give our dogs a
balanced diet. THEY MUST have grains and vegetables. I tried to
offset her tirade by explaining that bones in the diet with the meats
and variety would ensure their diet was balanced and this fired her up
even more. BONES!! Are they cooked she asked - No I told her and what
bones? Chicken thighs, turkey thighs, pork spare ribs .... The vet
wanted us to take tins of ID prescription diet but I said no - our
girls' vital signs were good, the liver no challenged thank God and we
have omitted food for 24 hours much to her great unhappiness. Still
tonight will end the 24 hours and I shall begin with a little cooked
rice or do you think I should just go straight to a small meal of raw
chicken?
Thanks for your comments, I so value being able to talk 'raw' in a
community which worships kibble.
Ursula
Salies de Bearn
France
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10b. Re: Vet is horrified
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:12 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "URSULA" <UCL@...> wrote:
> Still tonight will end the 24 hours and I shall begin with a little
>cooked rice or do you think I should just go straight to a small
meal >of raw chicken?
Hi Ursula,
Hold your ground and skip the rice. Feeding rice can only add more
uncertainty about your dog's true state of health because if you feed
rice and your dog still has diarrhea, you won't know if she still has
diarrhea from the original issue or is the result of adding an
inappropriate item to her meal. If you feed the rice and your dog
doesn't have diarrhea, you won't know if you band-aid fixed the
problem for the short term and therefore are in for more loose stools
when you stop the rice. I would feed a bone in chicken breast with
the fat and the skin removed. As you said, i would feed smaller and
more frequent meals. You did a great job handling your vet's tirade.
Let us know how your first meal goes. KathyM
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10c. Re: Vet is horrified
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:17 am ((PDT))
In a message dated 10/27/2007 1:49:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, UCL@NEUF.FR
writes:
Still
tonight will end the 24 hours and I shall begin with a little cooked
rice or do you think I should just go straight to a small meal of raw
chicken?
Ursula,
your instincts are right.. a 1 or 2 day fast (max) and then start back with
SMALL meals of bland food.
and then find yourself a new vet.
Catherine R.
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