[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12205

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Chicken Sale
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: Hamburger???
From: Morledzep@aol.com

3a. Re: Smelts
From: Morledzep@aol.com
3b. Re: Smelts
From: Giselle
3c. Re: Smelts
From: ginny wilken

4a. Great links to How Awful Pet Food Is
From: Anntiga@aol.com
4b. Re: Great links to How Awful Pet Food Is
From: Howard Salob
4c. Re: Great links to How Awful Pet Food Is
From: costrowski75

5a. Constant diarrhoea
From: URSULA
5b. Re: Constant diarrhoea
From: Casey Post
5c. Re: Constant diarrhoea
From: Giselle

6a. Re: Two cats, different levels of transition
From: persephoneinfall

7a. is a pet ever too old to start feeding raw?
From: kaebruney
7b. Re: is a pet ever too old to start feeding raw?
From: Michelle LaFay
7c. Re: is a pet ever too old to start feeding raw?
From: Casey Post

8a. swallows whole
From: Mary Tinder
8b. Re: swallows whole
From: costrowski75
8c. Re: swallows whole
From: Giselle

9a. Re: New with Questions
From: D. Rajska
9b. Re: New with Questions
From: Laura Atkinson
9c. Re: New with Questions
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: Hi everyone!
From: D. Rajska

11a. Re: Specific feeding questions... Lots of them....
From: D. Rajska

12a. Re: hot dogs/sausage (was Hamburger???)
From: D. Rajska

13a. Re: Egg questions;which type of Eggs would you choose to feed if you
From: ginny wilken

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1a. Re: Chicken Sale
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:49 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/25/2007 4:38:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
redkeds@comcast.net writes:

BTW - this is for the greater Seattle area stores.

***i checked the ads for Southern CA, the Albertson's chickens are on sale
here for $.77 lb.

that's very nearly the best price we've seen all year..

Catherine R.

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2a. Re: Hamburger???
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:51 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/25/2007 11:16:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
doglover72@gmail.com writes:

So, it's ok to give them sausage and hotdogs then too? How about Blood
pudding? This lady is offering me all these things.

Natalie,

Sausage and hot dogs are seasoned and cooked.. probably not great for wolf
chow. But they can be used for treats cut into tiny bits.

usually with freecycle it's best not to piss off the folks offering the
goodies. Take all of it.. and toss what you won't use.

Catherine R.

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3a. Re: Smelts
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:59 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/25/2007 10:05:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
snazgal@aol.com writes:

Probably not really worthy of worrying about...was a snack/treat not a
meal...
Info on Smelts please??

Phyllis,

my dogs aren't big fans of smelts either.. i buy them to feed to the fish..

Catherine R.

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3b. Re: Smelts
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:15 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Phyllis!
I'm lucky, I guess. Bea pretty much will eat anything I give
her. she's not fussy. It may take her awhile to figure something new out,
but I've learned that just because she's not eating something, and it seems
she doesn't like it at first, it doesn't mean that she will never eat it
readily.

No one animal (or fish!) or animal part is important to feed, except liver.
And even with liver, you have choices of which animal to source it from,
and how to feed it. I feel tho', that since I've already gone to all the
trouble to hunt, and drag the prey home, the least I can do is give the dog
plenty of opportunity to eat the thing. ^_^

Variety is important, so I give anything new I've been able to buy several
chances, sometimes several days in a row, sometimes (if its frozen) every
other day or so until its eaten. She pretty much knows by now that if I put
it on her towel, it really, really is food.

The best way I've found to entice Bea to crunch into something she's not
sure of, is to add tripe. I keep frozen ground tripe in the freezer. You
could chop the smelts into big chunks and mix some tripe into them. That
works. You could also just roll the smelts whole around in some tripe, to
get the smell on it. That works, too. If I'm feeding something new to her,
now all I usually do is toss a small chunk of tripe next to it on her eating
towel, and she eats both up! Gotta love classical conditioning.

I'd also consider whether each of your dogs or cats usually prefers their
food frozen, semi frozen, thawed or warmed, and serve it the preferred way
for each for now.

I hadn't fed Bea today, and had 2 lbs of smelts frozen in a bag in the
freezer. She's had mackerel, and whiting, but not smelt. I pulled it out of
the fridge, dropped the frozen block onto her feeding towel, and she took
less time to eat it than its taken me to type this email. ; ) Oh, and she's
back on her love seat, snoring. Gotta love her! ^_^

HTH
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/25/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
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> "raffiangel2" <snazgal@...> wrote:
> > Anyone have any experiences with Smelts?? ideas?
> *****
> My dogs won't eat it and my cat won't eat it. I don't buy it. If it
> doesn't work and you don't care, don't pursue it. If it doesn't work
> and you really want it to, keep trying.
>
> Try it frozen, try a different source, try it dressed. Give it a few
> months' break and try it. Unless you are starved for protein variety,
> it's not worth it, IMO.
> Chris O
>
>

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3c. Re: Smelts
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:24 pm ((PDT))

On Oct 25, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Morledzep@aol.com wrote:

> Phyllis,
>
> my dogs aren't big fans of smelts either.. i buy them to feed to
> the fish..
>
> Catherine R.
>

Tomo eats smelts, one or two at a time, frozen. The chickens won't
eat them, and my fish are not that big - but heck, I could try it.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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4a. Great links to How Awful Pet Food Is
Posted by: "Anntiga@aol.com" Anntiga@aol.com anntiga
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:02 pm ((PDT))

This is a great site that has a list with links to several articles about
how awful pet food is.

_http://www.canineadvantage.com/Rendering%20Plant%20Article%20Websites.pdf_

(http://www.canineadvantage.com/Rendering%20Plant%20Article%20Websites.pdf)


Ann and Norman (Portuguese Water Dog)
San Francisco Peninsula, CA, USA

"Never underestimate the warmth of a cold nose."

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4b. Re: Great links to How Awful Pet Food Is
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:28 pm ((PDT))

Dear Anntiga,

Wow! Great stuff. This is amazing. I will definitely have info to use when people question why raw is best and kibble is not.
Thank you for sending this.

SIncerely,

Howard

Anntiga@aol.com wrote:
This is a great site that has a list with links to several articles about
how awful pet food is.

_http://www.canineadvantage.com/Rendering%20Plant%20Article%20Websites.pdf_

(http://www.canineadvantage.com/Rendering%20Plant%20Article%20Websites.pdf)

Ann and Norman (Portuguese Water Dog)
San Francisco Peninsula, CA, USA

"Never underestimate the warmth of a cold nose."

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4c. Re: Great links to How Awful Pet Food Is
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:14 pm ((PDT))

Anntiga@... wrote:
>
> This is a great site that has a list with links to several articles
about
> how awful pet food is.
*****
Ann!
You're back!
Where ya bin?
Good to see ya.

Everything okay? How is Master Norman?
Chris O

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5a. Constant diarrhoea
Posted by: "URSULA" UCL@NEUF.FR ursula21c
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:03 pm ((PDT))

Hello sorry if I spelt it wrong - my five year old lab has constant
liquid diarrhoea for three days now and she empties her bowels during
the night always in the same place, fortunately on tiled flooring. She
had a long walk today and the output was the same liquid stools. My
husband says to stop the raw feeding immediately and give her rice and
cooked chicken or fish or we have to visit the vet who hates the idea
of raw feeding and will put her on prescription diet for irritable bowel.
Her brother is fine and robust in health. Our girl was poisoned in
Spring of this year from farm fertilisers we think and this challenged
her liver. She has always been good with raw food and we have fed
both our dogs raw since 9 weeks old.
I am extremely worried about her and hate the idea of changing her
diet but something is not right and I haven't a clue what to do about it.
I would really appreciate some advice.
Many thanks
Ursula
Salies de Bearn
S.W. France

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5b. Re: Constant diarrhoea
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:54 pm ((PDT))

> Our girl was poisoned in
> Spring of this year from farm fertilisers we think and this challenged
> her liver. She has always been good with raw food and we have fed
> both our dogs raw since 9 weeks old.
> I am extremely worried about her and hate the idea of changing her
> diet but something is not right and I haven't a clue what to do about it.
***********

Ursula,

Time for another trip to the vet. You say that she suffered liver damage
from the poisoning...so what you're seeing may be linked to that. It
certainly needs to be checked out.

That said, this sounds to me like a medical issue, not a diet issue. If
it'll make your household more at ease, go ahead and feed the chicken and
rice or whatever your husband wants until you can get her to a vet. But do
get her to one soon...

Casey

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5c. Re: Constant diarrhoea
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:13 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Ursula!
I agree a vet visit is in order to check her liver function.
I don't think it is the raw food causing this problem, especially if you
haven't changed what you are feeding.

Go back to simple. Feed chicken. Trim visible fat. Cut off skin. Or feed
rabbit. Or whatever meat she has done best on, that you can feed lean.
Heart, maybe. Find out if she does better with more, or less, bone. Feed
liver, but don't feed it by itself, feed small bits with meals. Try feeding
smaller portions, more frequently.

Once you have a report from the vet on her health status, then you can start
to explore the limits of her digestive abilities.

Don't feed cooked. Don't feed grains. This can't improve her condition, or
her health.

You might want to fast her for a meal, or for a day.
Try Slippery Elm Bark Powder to soothe her digestive system.

SEBP - Slippery Elm Bark Powder. This good, innocuous herb soothes the
stomach and digestive system. If you feel you need to intervene when your
dog has loose poops or constipation, this is the way to go. SEBP is "used to
treat diarrhea, constipation, enteritis, colitis & irritations of the
stomach. Used to soothe, protect & lubricate mucous membranes. Also, it used
to relieve the discomforts of kennel cough & other types of bronchitis."
http://fiascofarm.com/herbs/supplements.htm
I use 1 tsp of SEBP to one ounce of ground or chopped chicken. Mix them
together and shape enough meatballs for several days doses, and freeze some.
They thaw quickly. For small dogs, divide in ½-ounce meatballs, for large to
giant dogs, 1-ounce meatballs. Feed 1 with each meal, and in between meals.
Or, fast for a day, (not for pups, fast for just a meal or two) offer plenty
of water. Feed SEBP meatballs 3-4 times throughout the day. You can also mix
SEBP with water or no salt added chicken or beef broth, or sprinkle it on
meat, if the dog will eat it this way. Feed smaller, more frequent meals
with small amounts or no bone for several days after, gradually increasing
the meal size and decreasing the SEBP meatballs. You will often see an
increase in mucousy poops with SEBP, this is part of the way it soothes the
digestive system, and the dog's body will sometimes produce mucous on its
own to deal with digestive irritation even without SEBP. SEBP will not
provide bulk, or 'fiber' to firm up poops, this will happen naturally, as
the dog's digestive system and meals return to normal.

HTH
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/25/07, Casey Post <mikken@neo.rr.com> wrote:
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> > Our girl was poisoned in
> > Spring of this year from farm fertilizers we think and this challenged
> > her liver. She has always been good with raw food and we have fed
> > both our dogs raw since 9 weeks old.
> > I am extremely worried about her and hate the idea of changing her
> > diet but something is not right and I haven't a clue what to do about
> it.
> ***********
>
> Ursula,
>
> Time for another trip to the vet. You say that she suffered liver damage
> from the poisoning...so what you're seeing may be linked to that. It
> certainly needs to be checked out.
>
> That said, this sounds to me like a medical issue, not a diet issue. If
> it'll make your household more at ease, go ahead and feed the chicken and
> rice or whatever your husband wants until you can get her to a vet. But do
>
> get her to one soon...
>
> Casey
>
>

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6a. Re: Two cats, different levels of transition
Posted by: "persephoneinfall" persephoneinfall@gmail.com persephoneinfall
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:03 pm ((PDT))

Andrea,
thanks for your tips!

> Cut the meat into tiny tiny
> pieces and mix them in with a can of their regular food and let it
> marinate overnight. The cats would eat the food if it smelled like
> their regular food and was cut into tiny bits.

I like the idea of letting the meat marinate. I have cut the meat up
into tiny pieces and hid it in the canned food, but she always knows!

> I'll also say that trying different kinds of meats is really
> important with cats.
i'm trying that too, but it's hard with my budget right now.

> Have you checked out the rawcat list?
yes! i am on that list too and posted this there as well. this list
seems a bit more active though, hence the double post.

again, thanks for your help. don't think i've ever seen pork cheek
anywhere, but i'll try to find it.
annette.

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7a. is a pet ever too old to start feeding raw?
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:49 pm ((PDT))

I've been feeding my dog raw for nearly two years now and having
brought in two rescues and also feeding them raw, I am a tried and
true believer in the benefits of it.

My mother is the owner of two cats one 9 another 6, and I was
wondering if it is possible to switch over an older feline to raw as well?

Knowing how sketchy cats can be if you move their litter box (one of
hers will pee allover the house in protest at first), would it be wise
to change their food this late in the game?

one of the cats had crystals and has since grown through it. The other
cat is obese because he munches kibble all day and whines if he can't
get to it.

i would love to convert them to see if it helps, but I need some sound
advice to back up my argument to my mother.

so:

1- can it be done?
2- are there any risks at this age?
3- do cats suffer from starving themselves worse than dogs? (I'm sure
they won't go for it the first day or two)
40 what's the best meats to introduce? i've never raw fed a cat. do
they eat the same meats as dogs?

Fire away gang! I'm all ears.. um, eyes. *lol*

Thanks!

Kae

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7b. Re: is a pet ever too old to start feeding raw?
Posted by: "Michelle LaFay" mblafay@gmail.com mblafay
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:28 pm ((PDT))

My and my mom's cat that lives with her just started eating some raw this
year at age 13. Mom finally gave in and started feeding her 12yr old chi raw
so figured she would offer the cat some too. She just supplements but even
that has made a HUGE difference in him. She still leaves k*bble down for him
all the time but gives him meat too. Mostly chicken liver because he LOVES
it but sometimes he steals the dog's chicken away from him too. Personally I
think he would go all the way raw with no issues but my mom is, well,
stubborn. He has her well trained to give her a piece of liver every time
she goes into the kitchen and drives her up the wall if his k*bble bowl gets
empty. He looks great, has lost some weight, toned up quite a bit, lost that
"boy cat belly flap" and his coat is MUCH better. He is also more energetic
and much more social.

You might want to check out the rawcat list for more info on how to switch
cats, they are more delicate than dogs and will get sick if they don't eat.

On 10/25/07, kaebruney <kaebruney@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
> 1- can it be done?
> 2- are there any risks at this age?
> 3- do cats suffer from starving themselves worse than dogs? (I'm sure they
> won't go for it the first day or two)
> 40 what's the best meats to introduce? i've never raw fed a cat. do they
> eat the same meats as dogs?
> Thanks!
>
> Kae
>
>

--
Michelle - The Future Mrs Foley!
mblafay@gmail.com

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7c. Re: is a pet ever too old to start feeding raw?
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:02 pm ((PDT))

> 1- can it be done?

My old girl started the switch at 14 (took a while to get her all the way
there). On rawcat, we have a cat who switched (easily!) at 19 years old, so
yes, it CAN be done!

> 2- are there any risks at this age?

Risks...not so much risks as special consideration. Older cats may have bad
teeth that need to be addressed before you expect much from them. They also
take more time to build up their jaw strength. Older cats may also be more
prone to constipation, so it's a good idea to keep bone on the low end of
the spectrum, at least in the early days - 10% edible bone is plenty fine.

> 3- do cats suffer from starving themselves worse than dogs? (I'm sure
> they won't go for it the first day or two)

YES. Google "cats hepatic lipidosis" and you'll see why fasting a cat into
a diet change is NOT recommended here.

> 40 what's the best meats to introduce? i've never raw fed a cat. do
> they eat the same meats as dogs?

Yes, they do. But cats tend to do very well with a lot of variety right up
front, so don't be shy about trying anything and everything with them. From
pork to beef, from quail to emu, from mouse to moose - all good! Of course
cats cannot handle the larger bones, but the little critters (game hen,
mice, quail, etc.) provide enough edible bone and you can count the rest as
boneless meals.

Start here -

www.rawfedcats.org and you'll find the link there to our sister list,
rawcat. We'll be happy to help you out!

Casey

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8a. swallows whole
Posted by: "Mary Tinder" mtinder@tinderco.com mmmaryt
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:49 pm ((PDT))

OK, my Dane, who was initially dubious about the raw diet is now
swallowing whole chicken halves, most often without more than one or
two initial crunches. He seemes to digest it ok!

Worst problem is that it makes it not very satisfactory for "mother" as
dinner time is rather short. He acts insatiable!

Bigger pieces? Give him the whole chicken? Freeze b4 hand? Should I
worry?

Mary Tinder

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8b. Re: swallows whole
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:25 pm ((PDT))

"Mary Tinder" <mtinder@...> wrote:>
> OK, my Dane, who was initially dubious about the raw diet is now
> swallowing whole chicken halves, most often without more than one or
> two initial crunches. He seemes to digest it ok!
*****
Yes, because he is eating normally.

> Worst problem is that it makes it not very satisfactory
for "mother" as
> dinner time is rather short.
*****
It is also not very satisfying to the dog. If it were, he would not
be acting like a starving fool.

> Bigger pieces?
*****
Yes.

Give him the whole chicken?
*****
Yes, absolutely.

Freeze b4 hand?
*****
If you want. Not necessary if what you feed is truly "big enough".
Might help make food that is not "big enough" more challenging though.

Should I
> worry?
*****
No. Just feed Big.

This is where Big Food/little food works so well. Yes, give him a big
honking chicken. Or a big honking pork shoulder roast. Or a pork
haunch. Or half a turkey. And then feed nothing (or a small
something) the next day. Mix this BIG/little arrangement in with what
you would otherwise feed; keep it interesting, make him work for his
food at least once in a while.
Chris O

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8c. Re: swallows whole
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:34 pm ((PDT))

Hi Mary!
You got it!
But, don't worry! Feeding raw is a lifetime of tweaks and adjustments,
learning, adapting, changing with each dog and their different sizes, ages
and needs.
Going to bigger parts is the answer. How long have you been feeding raw? You
may want to feed once a day, if you are feeding twice or more.
You could give him whole chickens, butterflied open to make them more
complicated to eat.
You could serve them partly or entirely frozen.
You could move on to turkey - halves or whole.
You could introduce pork shoulders or fresh hams, skin on.
You could try to obtain 6 way cut goat or lamb.
Skin and fur or feathers on whole prey can add bulk and complication to
meals, too.

Feeding bigger parts would mean you would either have to take the part up
when he had eaten a day's worth of food, or allow him to eat until he
stopped, and then skip a day or two before feeding Big Food again.

Big Food feeds teach a lot of dogs to be more relaxed about eating. When
they are full, they aren't interested in food. You can then feed treat sized
snacks for a few days, until its time for another Big Feed.

Often, once dogs are more relaxed about feeding, you can feed a couple Big
Feeds a month and feed daily sized or snack sized meals the rest of the
time.

You can't start out feeding this way, but you certainly can take baby steps
leading in this direction.
HTH
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/25/07, Mary Tinder <mtinder@tinderco.com> wrote:
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> OK, my Dane, who was initially dubious about the raw diet is now
> swallowing whole chicken halves, most often without more than one or
> two initial crunches. He seems to digest it ok!
>
> Worst problem is that it makes it not very satisfactory for "mother" as
> dinner time is rather short. He acts insatiable!
>
> Bigger pieces? Give him the whole chicken? Freeze b4 hand? Should I
> worry?
>
> Mary Tinder
>
>

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9a. Re: New with Questions
Posted by: "D. Rajska" d.rajska@gmail.com deerajska
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:02 pm ((PDT))

On 10/25/07, lolathomson <lolathomson@gmail.com> wrote:
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> -agreed most of our dogs do not get the same physical exercise as
> wolves in the wild, even those which have an active lifestyle, but
> surely feeding something which is closer to the natural diet is better
> than feeding something less close to the natural diet?
>

I don't excercise the way cave people did when they had to hike the woods to
pick their berries and wild vegetables and chase their prey whilst wielding
a big stick... That doesn't mean that chocolate is a more ideal diet for me
than fruit, whole grains and lean meat was for a cave person... Just means
my intake should be commensurate with my activity level...?

> -surely the chemical content due to environmental contamination is
> going to affect not only meat and bones, but vegetables, fruit, grains
> and anything else in our current environment?
>
>

Again... to me that's like saying, gee, I'd love to eat a salad, but I'm
afraid there's so much pesticide in vegetables I'll just be better off
eating a Twinkie... I'm new here, all I do is ask a lot of questions, but
that argument just makes no sense. I wish it did - I'm visiting a friend
right now and it would be great if I could justify the dessert I just
inhaled.... ;)

Dee

>
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9b. Re: New with Questions
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:04 pm ((PDT))

And what's wrong with my Twinkie logic that you've stolen? <grin>
Preservatives keep us young...that's why they call them preservatives!
Besides, there's never been an e-coli incident with Twinkies. (all further
discussion should be taken to iluvhostess or rawtwinkietalk)

On 10/25/07, D. Rajska <d.rajska@gmail.com> wrote:

Again... to me that's like saying, gee, I'd love to eat a salad, but I'm
afraid there's so much pesticide in vegetables I'll just be better off
eating a Twinkie... I'm new here, all I do is ask a lot of questions, but
that argument just makes no sense. I wish it did - I'm visiting a friend
right now and it would be great if I could justify the dessert I just
inhaled.... ;)

Dee

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Laura A
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9c. Re: New with Questions
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

"D. Rajska" <d.rajska@...> wrote:
> I don't excercise the way cave people did when they had to hike the
woods to
> pick their berries and wild vegetables
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Tee hee.
No wild vegetables for the Cave Family; no fruits and whole grains
either; but good point nevertheless.

Chris O

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10a. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "D. Rajska" d.rajska@gmail.com deerajska
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:54 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to say thank you for all your responses and support... I'm
definitely getting a lot more perspective, and yes I have every intention of
pulling myself together before he comes home...

Dee

On 10/25/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
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> "Three weeks is a lotta time to get yourself together.
> Hyperventilating is neither attractive nor productive unless you are
> a Hollywood starlet with more bosom than brains. It certainly
> doesn't help feed a good raw diet. Breathe in, breathe out, relax.
> <rawfeeding-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=>
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11a. Re: Specific feeding questions... Lots of them....
Posted by: "D. Rajska" d.rajska@gmail.com deerajska
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:54 pm ((PDT))

Thanks guys, I really appreciate your feedback!

:)

Dee

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12a. Re: hot dogs/sausage (was Hamburger???)
Posted by: "D. Rajska" d.rajska@gmail.com deerajska
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:54 pm ((PDT))

On 10/25/07, Laurie Swanson <laurie@mckinneyphoto.com> wrote:
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> I don't know what blood pudding
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Hi,

I believe that blood pudding has some kind of grain in it - barley perhaos?
Don't give that to your dog. Stick with cuts of raw meat....

Dee

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13a. Re: Egg questions;which type of Eggs would you choose to feed if you
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:18 pm ((PDT))

On Oct 25, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Yasuko herron wrote:
> so,your suggestion is, pour tiny bit over several feeding til she
> gets better torelates?
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> She loooves Egg,so,she needs nothing to eat with to eat Egg.She
> loves Egg.only torelance prob.
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> If cooking it does not help building torelance,then,try little by
> little over several feeding then?

Tolerance is always best built gradually. And cooking shouldn't be
part of it the diet anyway. I would not, I repeat, cook eggs for a
dog. But I might give egg mixed with other food. On the other hand,
I'd probably just give 'em egg and the Devil take the hindmost. I
don't pay much attention to poop any more; I'd rather just get good
stuff in them.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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