[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12197

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Raw vs. Kibble
From: carolejc2007

2a. Re: why is my dog eating her poo
From: carolejc2007

3a. Re: Butchering help
From: Andrea

4a. Re: Puppy has large amount of urine output.
From: Andrea
4b. Re: Puppy has large amount of urine output.
From: Casey Post
4c. Re: Puppy has large amount of urine output.
From: carnesbill

5a. Re: Blood in poo
From: costrowski75
5b. Re: Blood in poo
From: Jennifer

6a. Re: Turkey drums- dangerous?
From: Andrea
6b. Re: Turkey drums- dangerous?
From: jennifer_hell

7a. Re: Bone & raw meat meals?
From: Andrea
7b. Re: Bone & raw meat meals?
From: carnesbill

8a. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
From: Andrea
8b. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
From: Denise Strother
8c. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
From: Denise Strother

9a. Re: When feeding organ meat question
From: Mary Anne Libcke
9b. Re: When feeding organ meat question
From: carnesbill
9c. Re: When feeding organ meat question
From: Laura Atkinson

10a. A Meat Question
From: totaly_his
10b. Re: A Meat Question
From: carnesbill

11a. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: darkstardog
11b. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: Laura Atkinson
11c. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: kaebruney

12a. Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
From: pelle567
12b. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
From: Laura Atkinson

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1a. Re: Raw vs. Kibble
Posted by: "carolejc2007" mooska2me@sbcglobal.net carolejc2007
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Dina" <dotdog99@...> wrote:
>
> My dear friend said it best, "You can't talk normal to a crazy
> person."
>
> scary.
>
> Keeps things interesting.
>
> With regards,
> Dina
>

As I have always said myself, "You just can't fix stuipd". Loved
reading your post!

Carole (Mom of 2 Greyhounds and 2 Italian Greys)

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2a. Re: why is my dog eating her poo
Posted by: "carolejc2007" mooska2me@sbcglobal.net carolejc2007
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "maradethc" <maradethc@...> wrote:
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> Hi everyone. Its so gross my dog is eating poo. I am not sure if its
> hers. I have 4 dogs. But maybe she is missing somthing in her diet.
> They are on the raw diet. I make my own vegie min and they get
chicken
> backs. They also eat marro bones to. Is there something i can do.
Thanks
> Maradeth
>
I can only add that I have a dog that used to eat poo but as soon as I
stopped feeding ki**le and started a strictly raw diet the poo eating
ceased. I suspect the veggie remains is what your dog is after and
that in feeding strictly meat and meaty bones, the poo eating will
stop. Good luck; I know how disgusting that behavior can be!

Carole (Mom of 2 Greyhounds and 2 Italian Greys)

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3a. Re: Butchering help
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:55 am ((PDT))

Unless you have little bitty dogs I would ask for the goat in about
seven pieces. The head/neck, left front leg/shoulder, right front
leg/shoulder, left ribcage, right ribcage, left rear leg/butt, right
rear leg/butt. If he could leave the feet and tail on that would be
good too. Take all the organs you can (maybe not intestine).

It would be cool to have the hide on, but it isn't the worst thing in
the world that it has to come off. Some dogs need a slow introduction
to hide on food anyway.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Tinder" <mtinder@...> wrote:

> My goats are going to the butcher Tuesday and I will need to tell him
> how I want it cut. Cut at the natural joints? Saw in uniform
> size/weight pieces>?

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4a. Re: Puppy has large amount of urine output.
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:01 am ((PDT))

I know my pups pee a lot more than their ki**le fed friends. There's a
lot of water in the food so a little pup with a little bladder would
probably have to go a lot more often than a dog eating dry food.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Kathy Roop <naps2003@...> wrote:

> Does anyone know why my puppy would have large amounts of urine
output on the raw diet? I have had his urine checked and everything is
normal including the specific gravity. He is 5 months old and seem
incontinent..

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4b. Re: Puppy has large amount of urine output.
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:09 am ((PDT))

> Does anyone know why my puppy would have large amounts of urine output on
> the raw diet? I have had his urine checked and everything is normal
> including the specific gravity. He is 5 months old and seem incontinent..
> Any suggestions? I have been feeding total raw for 7 years now.

Kathy,

And again - what exactly are you feeding?

Any enhanced meats? Any supplements? Any veggies?

Casey

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4c. Re: Puppy has large amount of urine output.
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:06 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Kathy Roop <naps2003@...> wrote:
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> He is 5 months old and seem incontinent.. Any suggestions?

If he just seem incontinient, it could be behavior problems and not
physical problems. If he has a excess of urine output, it could be
caused by some pretty serious problems. Diabetes and kidney
problems and possibly liver problems could cause excessive output.

First you need to determine if the volume is excessive or its just
the frequency thats excessive. At that point you will at least know
which problem you are dealing with.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5a. Re: Blood in poo
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:02 am ((PDT))

"Jennifer" <kali_moonwolf@...> wrote:
>
> Hi! I know this is one of those more uncomfortable topics, but I
had a
> question- my puppy, Tikahni, who is now 8 weeks, has a drop of
blood in
> his poop, when He goes.
*****
EVERY time he goes? How long has this been going on?

Anyway, thought you all
> might know why this sometimes happens on this diet.
*****
Let me see if I can get it right this time:

--blood ON the poop indicates an irritation of the lower bowel
--blood IN the poop can indicate bleeding somewhere in the upper GI
tract but it can also represent a bloody meal of liver or red meat

My assumption is a little bit of bone or even cartilage is scraping
the kid's bowels when he defecates. You might re-evaluate the amount
of bone you are feeding and its complexity. You might have to gentle
it down some for a while. And if it really is happening every time,
you should check his anus for a cut or abrasion that is not healing.

A physical looksee is generally the first thing you should do when
you see something weird or unexpected. Not a vet visit necessarily,
just a personal once-over.
Chris O

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5b. Re: Blood in poo
Posted by: "Jennifer" kali_moonwolf@yahoo.com kali_moonwolf
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:05 am ((PDT))

That helps! The blood is ON the poop, just a drop at the end, the
last 2 times, and not today, and I looked and didn't see any cuts,
however, I'll keep checking! Do you think if I cut the bone up it
would help, or give more meat so it slips out faster? Thanks for the
advice!
-Jennifer

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...>
wrote:
>
> "Jennifer" <kali_moonwolf@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi! I know this is one of those more uncomfortable topics, but I
> had a
> > question- my puppy, Tikahni, who is now 8 weeks, has a drop of
> blood in
> > his poop, when He goes.
> *****
> EVERY time he goes? How long has this been going on?
>
>
> Anyway, thought you all
> > might know why this sometimes happens on this diet.
> *****
> Let me see if I can get it right this time:
>
> --blood ON the poop indicates an irritation of the lower bowel
> --blood IN the poop can indicate bleeding somewhere in the upper GI
> tract but it can also represent a bloody meal of liver or red meat
>
> My assumption is a little bit of bone or even cartilage is scraping
> the kid's bowels when he defecates. You might re-evaluate the
amount
> of bone you are feeding and its complexity. You might have to
gentle
> it down some for a while. And if it really is happening every
time,
> you should check his anus for a cut or abrasion that is not healing.
>
> A physical looksee is generally the first thing you should do when
> you see something weird or unexpected. Not a vet visit
necessarily,
> just a personal once-over.
> Chris O
>

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6a. Re: Turkey drums- dangerous?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:06 am ((PDT))

Dangerous as in causing intestinal perforations? No, they aren't a
problem. Turkey bones may not be as soft as chicken but they aren't
any harder than goat or pork bones. You are right that even
the "meatiest" turkey legs and wings are still pretty boney. Adding
more meat to those meals is a great idea.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...>
wrote:

> I read turkey drums and wings= bad because the birds are
> often older, and therefore can crack and get sharp edges etc? That's
> not a problem, right?

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6b. Re: Turkey drums- dangerous?
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:27 am ((PDT))

Thank you! That's what I thought, too. I'll give an additional portion
of meat with the turkey.

Jennifer with Mandy (who just had a great dinner with chicken and
beef, and tomorrow I can pick up venison! Woohoo!)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
>
> Dangerous as in causing intestinal perforations? No, they aren't a
> problem.

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7a. Re: Bone & raw meat meals?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:25 am ((PDT))

Relax, Trina, you are making things too hard. No one expects you to
be feeding perfectly from day one, everyone has a learning curve.
Just don't beat yourself up every time you discover there is some way
you can improve on the diet you are giving. If boney meals helped
settle your pack's sloppy stools that is great. If one or two of
your dogs *need* the extra bone to have solid stools that is ok too.
But now that things have settled down you should start experimenting
with more meat to see how much bone they actually need. No sense in
adding turkey necks to the meal if they don't need them anymore,
right?

> how the heck do I determine how much bone is in ... let's say... a
> thigh?

You don't need to know exactly how much is in the thigh, but try
this: Look at the thigh as a whole, imagine you cut the thigh into
10 pieces, how small would one of those pieces be? That little piece
would be 10% of the whole. If the thigh bone is bigger than that
10%, you can say the thigh is a kind of boney meal.

> I honestly was not aware to feed strictly meat without bone in
> meals.... somewhere along the line this wasn't clear (to me).

There is no need for anyone to *have to* feed meaty meat meals, it is
perfectly ok to add extra meat to a regular meal. But now you know
what we are talking about when we say "balance over time" Not every
meal can or should have exactly 10% bone in it. But it is good to
add some meaty meat to the menu from time to time if you are feeding
more bone heavy stuff.

> Maybe, if someone gives me a good example of a daily feeding for a
> giant breed or someone who has a 20 pound dog (since I have both) I
> can get a clear picture of how to do this without hurting my dogs
> (or getting too frustrated to stick to it).

The thing is you aren't hurting your dogs. Things are going just
fine right now, am I right? You have things in order, just think
about adding more meat to their meals.

Andrea

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7b. Re: Bone & raw meat meals?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:06 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>
> I guess I don't understand. I will have to reassess this
> whole thing. It's
> just very confusing, I keep getting different 'directions'
> on feeding. I'm
> into this 3 weeks & I really do not know where to go from here.

Trina,
I don't know where you are in this deal. If one or both of your
dogs is having digestive problems(diarrhea/excessively soft stools)
at this point, it's time to back up and begin again from the
beginning. Feed chicken only for a couple of weeks. Don't worry
about any percentages or how much bone or anything. Just feed
chicken parts or whole chickens. Nothing else matters, just feed
chicken parts.

Once a week or so has gone by with no digestive problems, add a new
protein source. I usually recommend turkey as the next one. Just
feed a couple of turkey meals during the week. After another week
or so add something else. I recommend pork as the third protein
source. Don't worry about bone or percentages. Just feed chicken,
turkey, and pork. The pork may or may not be boneless.

The things that can cause digestive upset:
1. Adding new protein sources too quickly to newly switched dogs.
2. Feeding to little bone to newly switched dogs.
3. Adding organ meat too early to newly switched dogs.
4. Feeding too much volume
5. Feeding too much fat. (remove the skin and extra fat if your
dog is having digestive problems. If he isn't, don't worry about it.

> For those of you who have been doing this a long time, it's
> very simplistic
> to you & maybe it doesn't make sense to you why newbies are
> so confused but
> there is too much information out there that is a
> bit contradictory....

The big problem with newbies that have problems is that they take a
very simple operation and make something very complex out of it.
Often this is caused by experienced feeders trying to give too much
info in the beginning and suggesting a lot of percentages and ratios.

> going too fast, too slow, not enough, too much......there's
> just hasn't been
> a way to get an exact idea of what to do.

I don't think anyone has said "going too slow." You should go
slow. Your dog has a lifetime of eating raw. A few weeks or month
or so of learning how to digest it just isn't a big deal.

> I read alot of posts unless the subject isn't something
> directly related to
> the way of starting out (or head feeding * ! * ) & I have read
> on line too
> & 80%, 10%, 10% is clear, however, how the heck do I determine
> how much bone
> is in ... let's say... a thigh?

This is one of those instances where a very simple operation
(handing your dog an RMB) is made very unnecessarily complex. The
answer to this is don't worry about it. Those numbers are arbitrary
numbers someone came up with and all of a sudden got carved in
stone. If you feed your dogs 30% or even 35% bone, its not a big
deal. Same with 5% bone.

If you feel you MUST know how much bone you are feeding in a
particular RMB, you can go to the USDA website at

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ .

> I honestly was not aware to feed strictly
> meat without bone in meals.... somewhere along the line
> this wasn't clear(to me).

You can feed anything. Again, it's not critical. You can feed meat
only meals. You can feed organ only meals. Be aware, there is a
good chance of cannon butt if you feed an organ only meal but lots
of people do it with no problem.

> I'm trying really hard to get this but I admit, I am confused
> on what to do.....

I would direct you to my web page but when I do, the moderators
refuse to put my post through. I can post a link to any raw feeding
page on the internet but when I put a link to my own page, they
refuse to put it through.

Don't get frustrated, Trina. It is really very simple and once you
have been doing this for a couple of months, you will wonder why you
were so confused. :) :) :) If your dogs have sensitive stomachs,
just take it slow and easy as far as introducing new stuff to the
diet.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8a. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:02 am ((PDT))

Hi, Jeremy, welcome to the group! Sounds like you did just fine for
your first time out of the gate. Some dogs don't get that raw food
is actually food at first, so you were lucky that he tried it right
off.

> i just decided to buy some chicken drumsticks at the local food
> store (no hormones injected and no additives or anything)

Good call gettting non enhanced stuff to start with, but I think
drumsticks might be too small for your pooch. Next time you get some
food you should try for some chicken quarters or better yet, get a
whole chicken and quarter it on your own.

> after that he didn't touch the 2nd one so i put it in a ziplock bag
> and threw it out cause i didn't want it to be exposed for
> salmonella and stuff like that

Pish posh, no need to throw out good food! (= Really, dogs have a
fantastic digestive system and they don't ever worry about bacteria
and such in their food.

> why did he only eat 1 if it was his first meal of the day?

He might not have been too hungry, or he might have been wierded
out. In either event, it is actually a good thing he didn't go
overboard. Many dogs go a little nuts the first time they get real
food and the large amount they eat can't be digested by their newbie
system just yet which results in pretty nasty poos.

> i disenfected by washing the floor with a nice lemon disenfectent

There's something you don't have to do again. Bacteria are
everywhere, so there isn't much point in trying to sanitize the
floor. You could put the food on an old towel, a vinyl tablecloth,
in a crate, etc. And then just clean if you need to with a
vinegar/water solution. Don't use harsh cleaners where your dog is
going to eat.

> i feel like the chicken drums were cold and maybe he didn't like
> them that cold?

Next time you can warm the food up in a bowl of hot water. Chicken
doesn't have much of a smell so getting it warm can make it more
appetizing for him.

> his 2nd and last meal is going to be solid gold barking at the moon

I'd recommend getting rid of the ki**le alltogether. Since it is
pretty much junk food some dogs will refuse the new stuff knowing
they will get smelly carb filled food later in the day. Besides,
ki**le and raw digest at different rates so it might get the
digestive system off track. You're doing great, let us know how it
goes.

Andrea

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8b. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:06 am ((PDT))

Hi Jeremy,
Good to see another Pit owner here. As you'll find out, there are a
lot of us here. Drumsticks are way small for your guy. How much does
he weigh? My girl is about 48 lbs. I would not feed here anything
smaller than a quarter of a chicken. You didn't have to throw away
that drumstick. Salmonella is everywhere and not that big a problem.
Ditch the disinfectant. A solution of white vinegar and water(half
and half)is disinfectant enough and way healthier for your dog. The
chemical disinfectant stays on the floor for your dog to walk around
on and then he licks his feet and ingests the residue. Also ditch
the Solid Gold, nothing that is in that bag is as good for your dog
as lots of meat, a little bone and organs. The coldness of the
chicken might have been off-putting to your dog. Or, it could be
just the newness of eating something he's never had before. At 14
mos, Achilles doesn't need to be fed 2X's a day. Try getting a whole
chicken and cutting it into 4 quarters and feed one a day or more if
he's over 50lbs. Check out the groups archives for details. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "liebo1134" <liebo1134@...> wrote:
> Hey guys my name is Jeremy and I'm new to the group . . . I have a
14 month old American
> Pit Bull Terrier named Achilles and have been researching RAW or
BARF for quite some time
> now . . . i just decided to buy some chicken drumsticks at the
local food store (no hormones
> injected and no additives or anything) and decided to give it to
Achilles tonight . . . anyway I
> put him in a small area and put down 2 of the drumsticks and sat
right next to him and he
> kept smelling them and licking them a lot . . . then he took one
of them and nawed on it and
> at it pretty fast and then he went immediately to go to the
bathroom . . . after that he didn't
> touch the 2nd one so i put it in a ziplock bag and threw it out
cause i didn't want it to be
> exposed for salmonella and stuff like that . . . anyway I have a
few questions . . . did i do this
> right? why did he only eat 1 if it was his first meal of the day?
i disenfected by washing the
> floor with a nice lemon disenfectent so i'm assuming i did that
write . . . i basically just put
> the chicken on paper plates by the way don't know if that was
right . . . but yeh anyway i feel
> like the chicken drums were cold and maybe he didn't like them
that cold? I don't know any
> help would be good . . . his 2nd and last meal is going to be
solid gold barking at the moon
> cause i don't wanna mess everything up with him so quick . . .
>

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8c. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:06 am ((PDT))

Sorry mods about not trimming that last post. Trying to post and deal
with my 3yr old grandson and 5 dogs this morning is taxing my multi-
tasking abilities. Denise

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9a. Re: When feeding organ meat question
Posted by: "Mary Anne Libcke" Marylibcke@hotmail.com libckem
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:05 am ((PDT))

My dogs loved beef liver and brain, but will not touch pork liver. Anyone with this or any suggestions. They like chicken gizzards too.

Mary Anne Libcke

To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.comFrom: rlee@plix.comDate: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:49:35 -0700Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] When feeding organ meat question

Overall you will be feeding approximately 80% meat, 10% bone, 10% organs,half of the organs being liver. Whatever you are feeding for the daycounts, but bone is a very small part of the diet...liver is even smaller!:)This doesn't need to be "balanced" every day....over time, those are theapproximate %'s.Sandee & the Dane Gang

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9b. Re: When feeding organ meat question
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:27 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Mary Anne Libcke <Marylibcke@...>
wrote:
>
>
> My dogs loved beef liver and brain, but will not touch
> pork liver. Anyone with this or any suggestions. They
> like chicken gizzards too.

As long as your dogs are eating the beef liver, don't worry about
pork liver. In 5 years of raw feeding, I don't think I have ever
fed pork liver. Liver is a necessary part of the diet but pork
liver isn't.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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9c. Re: When feeding organ meat question
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:16 am ((PDT))

Well, don't buy pork liver would be my thought :-) As long as
they're eating liver from something, they're eating liver. Have you
tried chicken or turkey liver?

On 10/24/07, Mary Anne Libcke <Marylibcke@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> My dogs loved beef liver and brain, but will not touch pork liver. Anyone with this or any suggestions. They like chicken gizzards too.
>
> Mary Anne Libcke
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10a. A Meat Question
Posted by: "totaly_his" totaly_his@yahoo.com totaly_his
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:06 am ((PDT))

When I give a meat meal do I cut the meat off the bone or do I let her
(30-lbs) rip the meat off the bone and them remove the bone? I give her
the bone and meat meal sometimes but I am still new to this (day 9) and
thought I needed to give her JUST a meat meal sometimes. I know that
tearing the meat off is good for her teeth and jaw muscles. Also, does
anybody worry about whether or not the organ meat that the dog eats
could possibly be "diseased" ie heart,brains,lungs? Would I be able to
tell if the organ was? Thank you, Jackie

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10b. Re: A Meat Question
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:52 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "totaly_his" <totaly_his@...> wrote:
>
> When I give a meat meal do I cut the meat off the bone or do I
> let her
> (30-lbs) rip the meat off the bone and them remove the bone?

When I feed a meat only meal, I feed meat that has no bone in it. For
example, a boneless pork or beef roast, or ground beef or fish
filets. If the meal has bone in it, I allow the dogs to eat it.

> Also, does
> anybody worry about whether or not the organ meat that the dog eats
> could possibly be "diseased" ie heart,brains,lungs? Would I be
> able to tell if the organ was?

I never give it a thought.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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11a. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:27 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Josephine Morningstar"
<josephine.morningstar@...> wrote:
>
> this above makes me wonder how much pepsin is contained in canned
>tripe ..> as in any canning process, there is needed enough heat to
>seal the can in a> vacumn.
>
>

I forgot to say, you're right about canned tripe. It is cooked in the
canning process, and you would expect the enzymes in it like pepsin to
be denatured by the process.

Marty

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11b. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:14 am ((PDT))

Not in this people's food. The dogs can have all four stomachs if they want!!!

On 10/24/07, Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, it says that the first three stomachs are used in people food, so I'm
> assuming that commercially processed tripe for dogs, either raw or cooked,
> is, at least in part, from the fourth stomach.
>
> TC
> Giselle
>

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Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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11c. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:26 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@... wrote:

jut to clarify.. are we talking about green trips or the white tripe in
grocery stores?

i thought the white tripe in grocery stores was nutritionally void and
the green trip contained some stomach contents thereby making it more
nutritous?

my dogs love the green stuff, but i've never fed the white.seeing as
the green is more costly, if i can feed the white i would love to do
so.

just wanted some clarification.

thanks~

kae

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12a. Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
Posted by: "pelle567" krjoyner@firstam.com pelle567
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:25 am ((PDT))

I have a 12 year old beagle/GR mix that I adopted 1 year ago. When
he was given to me he was on Iams weight management (heave) and
weighed an extremely fluffy 50lbs. So he was switched immediately
to raw. We went to his yearly check up and he has gained 13lbs!
Now I swear he looks better than he did before, but my vet got on me
about his weight gain. When I got him he had several fatty tumors
which have all gone except for two, years of dead hair that I've
brushed out and horrible teeth. So his coat and teeth look super
and the tumors have reduced in size or completely disappeared. But
he's managed to gain almost 25% over his original weight.

I feed him 1lb of food a day (2% for his ideal 50lbs). Since being
to the vet I've made slight changes to his meals. The average day's
meals are breakfast, sm. chicken thigh (skin removed) an egg white &
squirt of salmon oil. Dinner is 1/2 lb. chicken thigh (SR) and
salmon oil. He used to get 2tbs of Kefir in the morning w/ an
entire egg and all skin on his chicken. We've been feeding a reduced
diet for 3 days now. Yesterday when I had gotten home from work he
had thrown up bile in his kennel and then after dinner he was acting
like he was starving; he kept going to his bowl and licking it...so
I gave him some cauliflower and he gobbled it right up; laid down
and went to sleep.

Should I say whatever to the doc and continue on with his normal
diet? I remember him being bigger, but maybe it was just fir??? I
don't want to compromise his health by him being overweight, but
he's hungry! When I run my hands down his sides and over his hips I
cannot feel his bones without applying pressure; he has the body
style of a beagle (kind of boxy) just much larger.

Continue with the diet or say hogwash to it...what would RAW feeders
do?

Thanks,
Katie

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12b. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:29 am ((PDT))

This raw feeder would say have a 6-panel thyroid test done for the dog.

On 10/24/07, pelle567 <krjoyner@firstam.com> wrote:
> Should I say whatever to the doc and continue on with his normal
> diet? I remember him being bigger, but maybe it was just fir??? I
> don't want to compromise his health by him being overweight, but
> he's hungry! When I run my hands down his sides and over his hips I
> cannot feel his bones without applying pressure; he has the body
> style of a beagle (kind of boxy) just much larger.
>
> Continue with the diet or say hogwash to it...what would RAW feeders
> do?
>
> Thanks,
> Katie

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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