[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12193

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Blood in poop
From: costrowski75
1b. Re: Blood in poop
From: helpshelteranimals
1c. Re: Blood in poop
From: merril Woolf
1d. Re: Blood in poop
From: costrowski75
1e. Re: Blood in poop
From: Giselle

2a. Re: Feeding Eggs and Fish
From: Annaliisa Readman
2b. Re: Feeding Eggs and Fish
From: costrowski75

3.1. Feeding Fish
From: cynthia iparraguirre
3.2. Re: Feeding Fish
From: costrowski75
3.3. Re: Feeding Fish
From: Morledzep@aol.com

4a. was: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal? Now is
From: lauraanimal1

5a. New to the group: Feeding pork
From: D. Rajska
5b. Re: New to the group: Feeding pork
From: Morledzep@aol.com
5c. Re: New to the group: Feeding pork
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: spricketysprock
6b. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: Laura Atkinson
6c. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: Sandee Lee
6d. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: katkellm

7a. Raw feeding a chiuauah... in Mexico.
From: cringingsphinx
7b. Re: Raw feeding a chiuauah... in Mexico.
From: erikamdey

8. swallowing food whole
From: erikamdey

9a. Packaged raw diets
From: Margo Farnsworth
9b. Re: Packaged raw diets
From: Sandee Lee

10. Dog's serious sickness blamed on raw food?!
From: nahteo1

11. RILEY'S FIRST VISIT TO VET SINCE STARTING RAW
From: miensasis

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1a. Re: Blood in poop
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:03 am ((PDT))

"costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
> Poop IN the stool--
> Poop ON the stool--

Well, THIS is certainly one of my dumber comments.
Let's try:
BLOOD in the stool--
and
BLOOD on the stool--

It's the double Os what hung me up.
Sorry.
Chris O-O

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1b. Re: Blood in poop
Posted by: "helpshelteranimals" helpshelteranimals@yahoo.com helpshelteranimals
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:02 pm ((PDT))

Oh my god Chris!!! LOL!!!!!!!! You certainly are the life of the
rawfeeding group! That's ok, it only proved to me that you are human
and not some super power with unending intellect. *wink*

It's nice to know that you have 'blonde moments' like the rest of us.
Lol! I think that was the highlight of my day!!

AG & Ruffian (Mystery Mutt)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
>
> "costrowski75" <Chriso75@> wrote:
> > Poop IN the stool--
> > Poop ON the stool--
>
> Well, THIS is certainly one of my dumber comments.

> Chris O-O

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1c. Re: Blood in poop
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:23 pm ((PDT))

> It's nice to know that you have 'blonde moments' like the rest of us.
> Lol! I think that was the highlight of my day!!
>
> AG & Ruffian (Mystery Mutt)
> > "costrowski75" <Chriso75@> wrote:
> > > Poop IN the stool--
> > > Poop ON the stool--
> >
> > Well, THIS is certainly one of my dumber comments.
>
> > Chris O-O

And what's even funnier :- I read the post and knew exactly what she was talking about and
didn't even notice the mistake until I saw the correction.

Guess you can add me to the dumb blonde reader.

Merril

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1d. Re: Blood in poop
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:56 pm ((PDT))

"merril Woolf" <merril@...> wrote:
> And what's even funnier :- I read the post and knew exactly what she
was talking about and
> didn't even notice the mistake until I saw the correction.
>
> Guess you can add me to the dumb blonde reader.
>
> Merril
*****
Well Ms WOOlf, it's cuz you tOO have grown tOO accustomed to the double-
O configuration. It certainly can bambOOzle if one forgets to use
one's nOOdle. What can I say.
Chris OO

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1e. Re: Blood in poop
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:16 pm ((PDT))

O.M.D.!
meeee, too!
ROFLOL!

Giselle

On 10/23/07, merril Woolf <merril@kentfieldwhippets.com> wrote:
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> > It's nice to know that you have 'blonde moments' like the rest of us.
> > Lol! I think that was the highlight of my day!!
> >
> > AG & Ruffian (Mystery Mutt)
> > > "costrowski75" <Chriso75@> wrote:
> > > > Poop IN the stool--
> > > > Poop ON the stool--
> > >
> > > Well, THIS is certainly one of my dumber comments.
> >
> > > Chris O-O
>
> And what's even funnier :- I read the post and knew exactly what she was
> talking about and
> didn't even notice the mistake until I saw the correction.
>
> Guess you can add me to the dumb blonde reader.
>
> Merril
>
>

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2a. Re: Feeding Eggs and Fish
Posted by: "Annaliisa Readman" amvilppu@hotmail.com amvilppu
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:03 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for all the feedback on the fish and eggs. Laila gets fish and eggs daily but also beef/and or chicken. She's a very active growing Boxer pup and eats quite a bit! I just wanted to make sure that fish and eggs were something that could be eaten daily. We luckily have had virtually no diarrhea (except when she gulps ocean water!). What I had read on the listserve maybe a month ago is that Herring shouldn't be fed daily because it blocks the absorption of some vitamin (can't remember which one), so Laila gets some Herring but mostly Capelin.

Annaliisa, Drew and Boxer pup Laila
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2b. Re: Feeding Eggs and Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:15 pm ((PDT))

"Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...> wrote:
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> Of the 13 dogs we have here, 10 of them have tried tilapia at one
> point or another. I may as well simply feed them the money I spent to
> buy it. They'd at least have fun shredding that!
*****
Boy no foolin'.
It's even worse if one has spent serious bucks on the rejected food.
What! What do you MEAN you won't eat it? How can you not like this?

I have tried several times to interest my big Lab in whole bunny but
nope, no way, uh-uh ain't gonna happen, forget it. At least Tilapia
isn't a high zoot item.
Chris O

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3.1. Feeding Fish
Posted by: "cynthia iparraguirre" cyn7711@yahoo.com cyn7711
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:49 pm ((PDT))

I have found canned salmon at a very, very reasonable price, but is it good to feed?

Cynthia Flores

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt." -- Mark Twain

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3.2. Re: Feeding Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:54 pm ((PDT))

cynthia iparraguirre <cyn7711@...> wrote:
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> I have found canned salmon at a very, very reasonable price, but is
it good to feed?
*****
Upside:
it is a source of protein variety
it is a source of Omega 3 fatty acid
it is affordable

Downside:
it is cooked
it is salty

Some people rely on it.
Some people feed it from time to time.
Some people don't feed it at all.

Your choice.
Chris O

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3.3. Re: Feeding Fish
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:35 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/23/2007 11:49:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cyn7711@yahoo.com writes:

I have found canned salmon at a very, very reasonable price, but is it good
to feed?

Cynthia,

canned = cooked.. which kinda defeats the purpose of a raw diet. it's great
to keep around to make salmon patties, or for a "oops i forgot to thaw
something" meal, but skipping a day never hurt anybody either..

Catherine R.

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4a. was: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal? Now is
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:50 pm ((PDT))

> Why do people rave about this tripe business when wolves supposedly
> don't eat stomach contents?

All I know is that My dog loves it, she absalutely adores it, so no
matter its values or lack there of, it is worth the time and effort.
She has great fun and is happy to get it and when she finishes it she
lets me know that she is very happy she got it and loves me a bit
extra that day. She doesnt do this with chicken backs so it makes it
worth that much more to me for that reason and that reason only,
nothing to do with nutrition or which one is better!!!!

Does anyone know whats so good about eye balls? and which eye balls
are better? beef, pig, venison etc.? My girl seems to have found she
likes them a lot if it is a young animal more then an old one, on a
young one she makes sure thats one of the first things she eats, but
doesnt touch the older one. what are the nutrition values of them?

Thanks so much everyone,
Laura and Ishta

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5a. New to the group: Feeding pork
Posted by: "D. Rajska" d.rajska@gmail.com deerajska
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:39 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the group and wanted to send out a quick hello. My name is Dee,
and I'm getting a Cairn terrier puppy in three weeks. I've read lots of your
archives, and have learned a lot from your emails - thank you :)

One question I did want to ask though: in your posts, I've seen a couple of
references to feeding raw pork. I read somewhere that you shouldn't feed raw
pork because of possible trichinosis contamination? Can I get people to
clarify?

:)

Thanks,

Dee & Baby Frankie

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5b. Re: New to the group: Feeding pork
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:00 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/23/2007 12:39:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
d.rajska@gmail.com writes:

One question I did want to ask though: in your posts, I've seen a couple of
references to feeding raw pork. I read somewhere that you shouldn't feed raw
pork because of possible trichinosis contamination? Can I get people to
clarify?

Dee,

Raw pork is just fine if you buy pork raised for human consumption in the
USA, Canada, Australia and most of the EU. And if you're hunting wild pork, just
freeze it solid for a month.

My dogs eat pork a LOT.. it's cheap and easy to get.. and feeding 9 large
dogs would be impossible if not for cheap pork and cheap chicken..

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5c. Re: New to the group: Feeding pork
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:05 pm ((PDT))

"D. Rajska" <d.rajska@...> wrote:
> One question I did want to ask though: in your posts, I've seen a
couple of
> references to feeding raw pork. I read somewhere that you shouldn't
feed raw
> pork because of possible trichinosis contamination? Can I get people
to
> clarify?
*****
Sure.
If you feed pork raised in the US, Canada, Australia or some few
Duropean countries, you do not have to worry about trich. It's been
good to go in the US and Canada since 2000 I think, maybe 2001;
Australia has never had a problem with it.

Certainly in the archives you will find links to corroberating websites.
Chris O

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6a. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:47 pm ((PDT))

But what's so great about it?

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6b. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:50 pm ((PDT))

It's a part of the whole. It's a muscle meat that dogs enjoy. That's
all. And most dogs will do handstands for it...that's the fun part.

On 10/23/07, spricketysprock <jess.hamway@gmail.com> wrote:
> But what's so great about it?

--
Laura A
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Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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6c. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:57 pm ((PDT))

It's a nice chunk of nutritious chewy muscle meat (something that seems to
be lacking in many diets) and part of the whole. Since we stress feeding as
many body parts as possible, it's merely one more option for variety in the
diet.

Generally dogs absolutely love it and it has been known to get fussy dogs to
eat liver!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "spricketysprock" <jess.hamway@gmail.com>

But what's so great about it?

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6d. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:16 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "spricketysprock" <jess.hamway@...>
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> But what's so great about it?

If you are asking what is so great about it from a dog's point of
view, i'm going to answer for my three-i hope. "It has this really
great smell and tastes even better, kind of like wet horse poop-which
i won't tell ya if we like to eat or not. It is really really chewy
and even though it doesn't look like much it takes work to wrestle it
around and eat it. It makes our mom laugh when we shake our heads in
fast little jerks and pretend that we are emptying out the stomach
content like our ancestors, the wolf. It makes me feel like a wolf
when i know how a wolf does something and nobody ever told me that is
how a wolf would do it." OK, i lied. They only told me to type the
first two. <giggle> KathyM

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7a. Raw feeding a chiuauah... in Mexico.
Posted by: "cringingsphinx" anielkacsaky@gmail.com cringingsphinx
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:49 pm ((PDT))

MODERATOR'S NOTE: PLEASE SIGN YOUR MESSAGES.

New here.

So here is the deal, I have 6 month old female Chihuahua who is around 3lbs. The only brand
of food available here is purina which is basically corn and some chicken fat. I don't want to
feed her that.

So, I'm thinking very seriously about putting her on a raw diet. Are there any Mexico resident
raw feeders here (I live in Oaxaca City) or for that matter third world country residents that
can give me suggestions as to where I can buy SAFE raw meat?

And for every one, what is the best kind of diet for a dog of this size? Everything a normal
dog gets but smaller? How much do I feed a day?

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7b. Re: Raw feeding a chiuauah... in Mexico.
Posted by: "erikamdey" erikamdey@hotmail.com erikamdey
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:54 pm ((PDT))

I am just learning, but it seems that this is true, a small dog gets
the same diet, just in smaller portions.
As far as portion size, they say starting off at 2% of body weight is
the amount that should be fed. So in your little guy's case here's how
I would calculate:
3lbs * 16 (to get amount in ounces) = 48
then multiply 48 by .02 to get 2% of that: .96
wow - so if this is right, your tiny tot should get just under an ounce
of food a day (1/16 of a lb!).
I would predict that a dog of that size would thrive best on smaller
softer bones considering even if his jaw muscles were really strong,
the bones would still need to be soft enough that they don't hurt the
tiny bones in his little jaw. But let me reiterate, I'm really new to
this stuff AND not an expert, just making assumptions really, but it's
nice to know that others are critiquing and can correct me if I'm wrong.
Hope you find good meat and cheers to you for thinking of your dog's
good health.

And for every one, what is the best kind of diet for a dog of this
size? Everything a normal dog gets but smaller? How much do I feed a
day?

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8. swallowing food whole
Posted by: "erikamdey" erikamdey@hotmail.com erikamdey
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:33 pm ((PDT))

This is a wonderful message board, thanks all to the great insight.
I have a little dog, a 7# papillon who just started on this diet. How
do I get him to NOT swallow his food whole, or maybe is this okay at
first? He's decided that this was the best invention created by me,
but man, I think he's overzealous. This morning he got a chicken wing
and after eating the first joint off, he swallowed the upper joint
whole! He hasn't acted uncomfortable, quite the contrary (I've never
seen him with soooo much energy!), but I don't know that a whole
chicken bone is healthy inside his system. Wondering what other's
experiences, comments, sugesstions are... Thanks, Erika

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9a. Packaged raw diets
Posted by: "Margo Farnsworth" mfarnsworth@mfgraffix.com mfarnsworth06759
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:54 pm ((PDT))

I'm looking for some honest feedback on the packaged raw diets available. I
was looking at Oma's Pride and Bravo. Reading the Bravo website, I saw that
the beef flavor has almost a 5% ash content. Should this be of concern, and
why does it contain ash? I thought that was something that ended up in
commercial dry foods and is considered a "bad" thing. I'm just looking for
something to make life a bit more convenient. I'll feed them RMBs in the am
and then do a packaged diet in the evenings and when we are away (make the
pet sitter's life easier). Does anyone else do this, a combination of RMBs
and the packaged raw diet?

Thanks,
Margo

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9b. Re: Packaged raw diets
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:22 pm ((PDT))

In addition to being ground, as you can see you have no control over the
ingredients. The raw mixes are notorious for including too much bone, not
enough meat and fat, and too many other inappropriate ingredients. I am not
certain of the vegetable content in Bravo because they don't list it, but
Oma's contains 20% vegetables.

Why pay those horrendous prices for food that is not nutritious, not species
appropriate and not necessary?

It's no more difficult (and far more healthy) to hand your dog a chunk of
meat than it is to cut off a chunk of ground up mush.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Margo Farnsworth" <mfarnsworth@mfgraffix.com>

> I'm looking for some honest feedback on the packaged raw diets available.
I
> was looking at Oma's Pride and Bravo. Reading the Bravo website, I saw
that
> the beef flavor has almost a 5% ash content. Should this be of concern,
and
> why does it contain ash? I thought that was something that ended up in
> commercial dry foods and is considered a "bad" thing. I'm just looking
for
> something to make life a bit more convenient. I'll feed them RMBs in the
am
> and then do a packaged diet in the evenings and when we are away (make the
> pet sitter's life easier).

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10. Dog's serious sickness blamed on raw food?!
Posted by: "nahteo1" nahteo1@yahoo.com nahteo1
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:54 pm ((PDT))

MODERATORS NOTE;SIGN YOUR MAILS!!!!

My 5 month mini-doxie began vomiting/ diarrhea last week and within two
days, took to my vet for a check. Long story short, they suspected
either a blockage or pancreatitis. Tests came back normal, x-
rays/ultrasound negative. One week and NO diagnosis. Another blood
test, another ultra-sound of the abdomen, then pancreatitis was finally
ruled out, but they found an enlarged lymph node, which was causing low
platelet count. Vet's making it sound that it's due to raw feeding??

My doxie's diet rotation consisted of turkey necks, chicken wings/
drummet, fish twice a week (full, raw sardine) and a piece of chicken
liver weekly. IF my doxie survives this unexplainable sickness,
they're suggesting completely OFF raw and switch to a low-fat kibble.

My resolve w/ raw food is being tested and somehow, I feel responsible
for his being sick. What's going on??

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11. RILEY'S FIRST VISIT TO VET SINCE STARTING RAW
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:54 pm ((PDT))

Hi Everyone...

The recent posts here about how to handle the vet when feeding raw
were very timely and helpful. I've had my wheaten, Riley, on raw for
about a month now and was nervous about his upcoming vet visit and
how to handle the subject of diet if it came up (plus the fact that
they always ask for a stool sample...and Riley's always has little
bits of bone in it!). Well...it never came up because the vet was SO
IMPRESSED with him. He said Riley's teeth were immaculate, his body
size and weight was perfect, and that Riley gets a gold star for the
healthiest dog he has seen in awhile. He even asked if we had just
come from the groomer because Riley's coat was so shiny and soft.
(Riley is actually DUE for a bath tomorrow!) He said...I don't know
what you are doing with this guy....but whatever it is KEEP IT UP! I
just kept quiet, said THANK YOU, and we went on our way. Riley has
seen this vet several times since he was a pup, and he has NEVER,
EVER had this kind of praise for him! I left feeling so good about my
decision to feed raw and it was just extra proof of the power of this
very natural way of eating.

Nancy

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