[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12185

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Little-dog sized bones
From: Dawn Taylor
1b. Re: Little-dog sized bones
From: marclre

2.1. Re: throwing up
From: Erika Heckscher
2.2. Re: throwing up
From: girlndocs
2.3. Re: throwing up
From: katkellm

3a. Re: Cats coats not shiney
From: marclre

4a. 7 days without normal poop
From: lsesassy
4b. Re: 7 days without normal poop
From: Andrea
4c. Re: 7 days without normal poop
From: lsesassy
4d. Re: 7 days without normal poop
From: cleavlet
4e. Re: 7 days without normal poop
From: katkellm
4f. Re: 7 days without normal poop
From: katkellm

5a. Re: vets and raw battles
From: A. L. W.

6.1. File - Other related lists
From: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com

7a. File - Admin-Trim it, Sign it, and Sig lines-PLEASE READ!!!
From: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com

8.1. Pork
From: rocketblasther
8.2. Re: Pork
From: bluegracepwd
8.3. Re: Pork
From: Sandee Lee

9a. Raw Feeding--No Bone
From: windmilldairy
9b. Re: Raw Feeding--No Bone
From: bluegracepwd

10a. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
From: Annaliisa Readman
10b. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
From: moemahood@aol.com
10c. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
From: bluegracepwd

11a. rabbits
From: lrosem3
11b. Re: rabbits
From: bluegracepwd

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1a. Re: Little-dog sized bones
Posted by: "Dawn Taylor" dawnmarie1968@tx.rr.com dawnt91
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:03 am ((PDT))

"Dawn,
I was very surprised by the fact that a thigh will last your Pom2-3 days, my Pom eats that per day! Do you think that's too much for her? I'm new here. How long have you been feeding your little ones ground food? The mess associated with raw feeding is really my main concern because my grandson is over and I worry if I'm clean enough with my dogs,because of the pulling and tearing (it gets on their feet, fur).I have considered doing ground for this very reason. My Pom is 11 lbs, my dauschund is 15 lbs.( a little heavy), my yorkie is 5 lbs. They all are enjoying raw.Any suggestions you ave had with your experience with little dogs would be helpful, and anyone else!!!!"

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I think the quotes got messed up on this message. I have two littles, but they're not Poms. I've got one Daschund/Chihuahua mix (13 lbs) and one Chihuahua/Min Pin mix (10 lbs). I feed them about 5 ounces a day plus organ meat. I know that sounds like a teeny tiny amount, but they were getting very porky on more food, esp my Chiweenie. Actually, he was just downright fat!

The thighs I got the other day are HUGE. I don't think they're typical, but I got a ton of them. I cut them up into 5 oz pieces and I got about 2.5 days out of each one.

I have had a hard time feeding my little dogs and having them not get fat. I really have to watch how much they eat. I guess they're called "easy keepers."

Oh, and another thing that I found that helps with keeping the weight off my littles is feeding once a day rather than twice. It was just too hard to get meals that are 2.5 ounces and have them well balanced. I think they ended up with too much food and then got fat.

I only feed ground meat if the weather is nasty and they have to eat inside. Otherwise, all three of my dogs (the other is a greyhound) eat outside. The little dogs don't make a mess at all and rarely use their feed on their food. The greyhound can get a bit bloody if he's eating a nice huge bone. I hose him off before he comes inside. I have kids, and I don't worry about the germs. I figure, they get less germs from the dogs' diet than they do at school!

HTH
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Dawn Taylor

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1b. Re: Little-dog sized bones
Posted by: "marclre" marclre@aol.com marclre
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:11 am ((PDT))

"Do you think that's too much for her?

***I'm not Dawn...but no...definitely not. If your poms are healthy keep going. Go by
waistline and ribs rather than weight.***

"it gets on their feet, fur). I have considered doing ground for this very reason."

***Don't. If you do this your little wolves (poms) will miss out on the excellent jaw/teeth/
brain workout they're currently getting with whole chunks of prey - which is an important
part of good rawfeeding Also rest assured your grandchildren will survive the odd speck of
bacteria just fine ;) you can't put em in a bubble and many many people on this list have
anklebiters around during rawfeeding with no worries at all.
Marie-Claire***

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2.1. Re: throwing up
Posted by: "Erika Heckscher" aeriqua@gmail.com jazzeriqua
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:03 am ((PDT))

thank you for your help

Erika

On 10/21/07, katkellm <katkellm@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>, "Erika
> H" <aeriqua@...> wrote:>
> > The other aussie ate all her thigh, then the other thigh,
> > then the rest of the leg...and then proceeded to throw it all up, and
> > re-eat it, and throw it up again.
>
> Hi,
> I don't think that you did anything wrong. I'm thinking that your
> enthusiastic aussie just ate too fast and her tummy, being new to raw
> and not quit up to speed, didn't have the digestive juices there and
> ready to do their job, so up the meat came. She re-ate it and you let
> her do so, so both of you handled the situation just right. It wasn't
> an "i'm sick" vomit, it was an "i need to process this again" vomit.
> While it might seem gross to people, it is just right a for dog. I would
> suggest maybe trying something bigger next time, maybe a chicken
> quarter or half a chicken to slow her down. She won't vomit like this
> all the time, so don't worry that you are in for a lot of mess. KathyM
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>
>

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2.2. Re: throwing up
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:33 pm ((PDT))

> It wasn't an "i'm sick" vomit, it was an "i need to process this
> again" vomit.

I was reading this out loud to my husband while sipping tea and he
chirped, "A tasted-so-good-I-wanna-do-it-again vomit!"

The tea went all over the desk and the monitor.

Kristin

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2.3. Re: throwing up
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:46 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "girlndocs" <girlndocs@...> wrote>
> I was reading this out loud to my husband while sipping tea and he
> chirped, "A tasted-so-good-I-wanna-do-it-again vomit!"
>
> The tea went all over the desk and the monitor.
>
Hi Kristin,
As per Laura's recent reminder, all posts that are going to require
that readers have to clean off their monitors MUST be marked with an
FDA (food and drink alert)notation.<G>
KathyM who says geeeez diet pepsi is sticky

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3a. Re: Cats coats not shiney
Posted by: "marclre" marclre@aol.com marclre
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:04 am ((PDT))

"Any ideas?"

***It's really easy you can basically feed your cats the same as you're feeding your pit...just
smaller. BTW Are you feeding all of them the 'real McCoy', as in true prey model? I ask
because your post suggests to me you may not be. Definitely ditch the useless
supplements - citric acid/parsley/bone meal/lecithin/yeast etc - ugh you don't need any
of em and they're very likely causing irritation. Join rawcat and look at the site already
mentioned.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawcat/

Marie-Claire ;)***

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4a. 7 days without normal poop
Posted by: "lsesassy" lsesassy@yahoo.com lsesassy
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:46 am ((PDT))

I am 7 days in to feeding raw to my 7 year old greyhound and am
getting concerned about the poop (or lack thereof). I am feeding
chicken leg quarters twice a day. Dempster is loving the food, no
problems getting him to eat. But he has not had a normal firm poop
yet. First it was diarrhea (twice in the house). So, I fasted him
for a day and then started removing the skin when we resumed. And I
put him on Slippery Elm. Since then he has not had diarrhea in the
house, but his poop is still liquid and only a few drops. He seems
like he is straining too. He squats to poop then moves to a different
spot and squats again, never really pooping just leaving little drops
of liquid. I am worried that he might have a blockage because he is
eating two leg quarters a day and yet nothing is coming out. He does
not seem to be in pain (except when trying to poop) and is still
eating every meal. Is this reason to be concerned?

Laura

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4b. Re: 7 days without normal poop
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:23 am ((PDT))

Is he still acting normal? I think his digestive system is still wonky and so he's trying to go
more often than he really has to. Are you sure you aren't feeding him too much? Two
quarters a day seems like a lot of food for a grey. If he is eating too much it would make
sense that his poo isn't solid.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lsesassy" <lsesassy@...> wrote:
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> I am 7 days in to feeding raw to my 7 year old greyhound and am
> getting concerned about the poop (or lack thereof). I am feeding
> chicken leg quarters twice a day.

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4c. Re: 7 days without normal poop
Posted by: "lsesassy" lsesassy@yahoo.com lsesassy
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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Are you sure you aren't feeding him too much? Two quarters a day
seems like a lot of food for a grey. If he is eating too much it
would make
sense that his poo isn't solid.
>
> Andrea
>
He weighs 65#. I figure a leg quarter is just under a pound. Do you
think I should drop down to one a day? He is already quite skinny so
I definitely don't want him to lose any weight though.

Laura

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4d. Re: 7 days without normal poop
Posted by: "cleavlet" cleavlet@yahoo.com cleavlet
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:21 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lsesassy" <lsesassy@...> wrote:

> I am worried that he might have a blockage because he is
> eating two leg quarters a day and yet nothing is coming out.

I gather that raw bones are new to his diet and that can cause loose
stools/diarrhea. Also, in my own estimation, chicken leg quarters
contain quite a bit more bone than the 10% by weight recommended by
this group (see: rawfeeding, Files). Additionally, these weight
bearing leg bones contain marrow - also a likely contributor to his
problem, especially since it's all new to his system.

So, try cutting back on the bones. And remember, balance over time;
you need not balance the meat/bone at every feeding.

Cleavon

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4e. Re: 7 days without normal poop
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:47 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cleavlet" <cleavlet@...> wrote:
Also, in my own estimation, chicken leg quarters
> contain quite a bit more bone than the 10% by weight recommended by
> this group (see: rawfeeding, Files).

Hi Cleavon,
Yea, chicken leg quarters do have more than 10% bone, but as you
stated you are trying to achieve balance over time. At the beginning
of the diet heavy on the bone is actually a good thing which is why we
normally recommend that newbies start with chicken breasts, leg
quarters, whole chickens... Since bone helps to keep things firm,
extra bone is a plus for the first week or two- of course, sometimes
for some dogs, stuff comes about that requires fine tuning with
regards to the chicken-remove the skin, or trim the fat... While not
a wonder food, chicken does have edible bone and is not normally a
problem for new dogs and over time-starting a month or so down the
road-- will be balanced out by lots of all meat/mostly meat meals. KathyM

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4f. Re: 7 days without normal poop
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:55 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lsesassy" <lsesassy@...> wrote:
> He weighs 65#. I figure a leg quarter is just under a pound. Do you
> think I should drop down to one a day? He is already quite skinny so
> I definitely don't want him to lose any weight though.

Hi Laura,
Not Andrea, but thought i would offer some input until she has time to
post. You are definielty feeding on the 3% side of his body weight
which may be more food than he can process right now. I think i would
still feed twice a day, i think that is what you are doing , yes?, but
try to feed less total food. Maybe a chicken quarter in the am and a
small bone in breast at night or buy a whole chicken and hack it into
serving size portions. I'd stick closer to a "heavy" pound for now and
see if that gets things straightened out. In a few days if all goes
well, you can gradually increase his food portion to 2lbs again. KathyM

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5a. Re: vets and raw battles
Posted by: "A. L. W." chenneoue@yahoo.com chenneoue
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:36 am ((PDT))

I never thought to ask for someone from another country. That is a
good bit of advice. I am glad it worked out well for you in the end!
And how far south is South for you in Florida? I am in the Tampa area.

Amanda

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> I've gone through 4 vets too...by leaving the 4th I was so
> frustrated, I about got nasty and defensive...I asked her...how many
> nutrition classes did you have in vet school....her answer
> was...one..but only an elective...I smiled and left...
> I checked locally again, and found a vet clinic right in my own
> shopping center...asked them if they have any foreign vets...girl
> looked at me like I was nuts...yes she said..Dr ....is from S.
> Africa.
> I asked for an appointment with him.
> My luck he was onsite and had a few minutes to spare.
> I introduced myself and asked point blank...what do you think about
> raw feeding of dogs?
> His response was...'is there anyother way?'....Urekaaaaaaaaaaa yeahhhh
> I was so excited...and we chatted more, telling him of my bad
> experiences with non raw oriented vets....
> He also explained that its moreso the American vets that are anti raw
> because they have never lived and had dogs overseas...America is one
> of the very few countries who even has kibble....so his background is
> in raw...and is anti kibble.
> He has educated the other 4 vets in this office and now they all have
> a better knowledge of it, and from what I've heard, they're also
> converting their patients to raw!!!! yipee....there is hope lol.
> Oh..he also mentioned...because I told him my ex vet told me my dog
> would choke to death on bones....he said..the chances of a dog
> choking are kibble, string, junk they find around lazy households, is
> far greater then a dog choking on the bones we feed them.
> Anyone is South Florida needing a terrific vet...let me know.
>

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6.1. File - Other related lists
Posted by: "rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com" rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:39 pm ((PDT))

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learntoshow/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawcat/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DogHealth/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dogmentor/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawbreeder/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawPup/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RMBLobby/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canineaggression/

And if you are stuck on a particular issue that you just can't seem to work out, try this list:

http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/rawissues

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BasicRaw/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalFerrets/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawVet/
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There is also a list of lists where other raw feeding lists can be found. Many are breed specific, location specific or subject specific.

http://www.rawlearning.com

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7a. File - Admin-Trim it, Sign it, and Sig lines-PLEASE READ!!!
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Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:39 pm ((PDT))

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8.1. Pork
Posted by: "rocketblasther" jforbes05@sbcglobal.net rocketblasther
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:46 pm ((PDT))

Hello All,

Quick question, Is pork shoulder roast and pork butt the same thing?

Thanks,
Jim & Sara

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8.2. Re: Pork
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

well when I'm cooking a roast, I prefer to cook pork butt. It's a
tastier piece of meat. But it's often a little more expensive than
shoulder.

But basically, the same meat, just from different parts of the animal.

cheers

Jane

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8.3. Re: Pork
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:09 pm ((PDT))

No, they aren't the same, but pretty close! Both are excellent food for our
dogs regardless of what they are called.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "rocketblasther" <jforbes05@sbcglobal.net>

Quick question, Is pork shoulder roast and pork butt the same thing?

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9a. Raw Feeding--No Bone
Posted by: "windmilldairy" drwindmill@gmail.com windmilldairy
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:21 pm ((PDT))

I butchered a cow, and didn't save any bone. Most of the bone seemed too hard for my dogs.
Can I get by feeding just the beef and no bone to my bulldog and rat terrier?

Thanks

Pat

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9b. Re: Raw Feeding--No Bone
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:03 pm ((PDT))

Hi Pat,

you definitely need to feed bone. Actually I got a call from one of
my puppy people on the weekend. Their pup is 6 months old and
suffering every day from very loose stools. Turns out they are not
feeding any bone at all. Sigh. So we had a 20 minute review on what
makes up a good raw diet.

Your two dogs need bone, even if it's just in the form of chicken
thighs. And really, they need bone daily, although the odd day of
just meat will be ok too.

cheers

Jane
www.bluegrace.com

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10a. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
Posted by: "Annaliisa Readman" amvilppu@hotmail.com amvilppu
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:21 pm ((PDT))

We have been feeding raw for about five weeks, since we adopted our boxer puppy. We haven't had any problems. She is a happy healthy pup, who is growing steadily and has a shiny coat. Our only issue is the horrified response we get from people, including my in-laws, when they are informed that we are feeding her raw (I have not been brave enough to tell my vet). A dinner party guest the other night was a nurse at a veterinary clinic and she said that they see dogs all the time who have gotten salmonella or other illnesses from eating raw food. I certainly couldn't refute her first-hand experience, but I assured her that we feed our dog high-quality meat and then explained how dogs are equipped to digest raw meat. Has anyone had experience with their dogs getting sick from their meat? Just curious.

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10b. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:53 pm ((PDT))

A dinner party guest the other night was a nurse at a veterinary clinic and she said that they see dogs all the time who have gotten salmonella or other illnesses from eating raw food. I certainly couldn't refute her first-hand experience, but I assured her that we feed our dog high-quality meat and then explained how dogs are equipped to digest raw meat. Has anyone had experience with their dogs getting sick from their meat?
You know?I hear new people ask this question frequently.? I usually tell people that we switched because we needed the highest quality food because one of mine has allergies and I didn't want her to be on steriods for her entire life.? As time goes on, especially with all the recalls, more people are curious than horrified.?

I know lots of dogs that are fed raw and not one ever had samonella.? I don't know where these dogs are coming from....maybe they get it from eating meat that wasn't handled properly?

My dogs have never gotten sick from food -- except kibble -- Molly has lost hair, gotten staph infections and had severe allergies when she ate kibble....

?Maureen

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10c. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:58 pm ((PDT))

Hi Maureen,

we've heard on the list many times over the years about diagnoses of
salmonella and the like by vets, only to later find out that the dog
or cat, has some very serious problem that the vet overlooked and
did not treat, because he/she was so bent on blaming bacteria. Dogs
and cats have died because vets have blamed the raw feeding and not
treated the emergency that was actually there.

So I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is happening at the vet
clinic that woman works at.

I had a bitch with an obstruction a few years ago. The vet blamed
bones in the diet. At least he had the courage to apologise when he
removed the tennis ball from her intestine. He was quick to jump to
conclusion, but quick to apologise when he knew he was wrong. Mind
you, most vets aren't like that.

It's probably going to be impossible to refute that sort of
allegation at a dinner party without looking terribly defensive.
You could use the other approach of saying, "yes, we're trying to
see how quickly we can kill our dogs on this diet. So far, we're
incredibly unsuccessful!"

Good luck.

- Jane

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11a. rabbits
Posted by: "lrosem3" lrosem3@yahoo.com lrosem3
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:52 pm ((PDT))

are rabbits a good source to feed to my dogs? what is the best way,,,whole,or cut up, or
maybe even gound up?

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11b. Re: rabbits
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:59 pm ((PDT))

Hi ?

check out the archives for lots of information on rabbits:

http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/rawfeeding

- Jane

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