[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12179

There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: Tripe
From: Josephine Morningstar
1.2. Re: Tripe
From: katkellm
1.3. Re: Tripe
From: darkstardog
1.4. Re: Tripe
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: Russell
From: Giselle

3.1. Re: Tripe in a can Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Tripe
From: Giselle
3.2. Re: Tripe in a can Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Tripe
From: Pepper

4a. Re: Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
From: katkellm
4b. Re: Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
From: Morledzep@aol.com
4c. Re: Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
From: Laurie Swanson

5a. Re: Is it the eggs?
From: rlayt

6a. Re: Explosive poo
From: carnesbill

7.1. Re: Newbie
From: darkstardog

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1.1. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "Josephine Morningstar" josephine.morningstar@gmail.com jomorningstar
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:38 pm ((PDT))

actually, green tripe is more then that.. its the 4th stomach of the cow..
and in that 4th stomach, is the enzymes and amino acids that meat eaters
need to help to digest food.. in the cow, its called pepsinogen and when it
combines with the cow's HCL (which is pH3) it releases 44 amino acids and
becomes pepsin another enzyme needed for digestion.

what keeps the cows stomach from being eaten by its own HCL is mucous.. it
helps to coat the lining and then the amino acids and enzymes are what
digest the food.

I was trying to figure out what was so important about the green tripe
myself.. so i did a bunch of research.. and im not done yet.. here is a link
that will explain the cows digestion system.. its for a school.. a bit
simply put but interesting none the less..

http://library.thinkquest.org/11226/main/c10txt.htm

On 10/18/07, carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> green tripe which is a sack with some partially
> digested grass clinging to it.
>
>

--
Josephine MorningStar & Heather, Pyr, Mobility & MASD
Native American in Massachusetts

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1.2. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:30 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Arlene Fell <abeautiful3@...> wrote:
> I was wondering how much tripe and how often to feed; and is tripe
considered a meal in its self?

Hi Arlene,
There are no set rules, its kinda what works for you and your dog.
Mine love tripe, so i usually feed it once a week. It can be fed as a
whole meal or as a side dish with a bony piece of meat or any combo
you pick. The only "rule" is that it is a bowel tolerance food, so i
would introduce a little bit at first and work my way up before i
ventured into making it a whole meal. KathyM

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1.3. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Josephine Morningstar"
<josephine.morningstar@...> wrote:
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> actually, green tripe is more then that.. its the 4th stomach of the
cow..
>

Where did you read that green tripe was specifically the fourth
stomach section?

marty

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1.4. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Josephine Morningstar"
<josephine.morningstar@...> wrote:
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> actually, green tripe is more then that.. its the 4th stomach
> of the cow.. and in that 4th stomach, is the enzymes and
> amino acids that meat eaters need to help to digest food..

I think you are mistaken there. There is no reason for enzymes to
digest meat to be in a cow's stomach. Cows don't eat meat. Dogs
already have he necessary enzymes to digest meat without eating it
in tripe. If tripe were needed my dogs and many many other dogs
would be in trouble because they haven't had tripe in their lives.

> I was trying to figure out what was so important about the
> green tripe myself.. so i did a bunch of research.. and im
> not done yet..

Keep looking. I don't think you've found it yet. :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: Russell
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Renate!
Have you explored the possibility that Russell may be
hypothyroid?
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/ThyroidDisease.htm

Raw can certainly help improve his health and support his immune system, but
if he is hypothyroid, even the anti-seizure meds won't solve the reason
*why* he has seizures. Putting a hypothyroid dog on a therapeutic dosage of
Soloxine or Thyroxine can help reduce, or even eliminate the need for
anti-seizure meds. A proper raw diet can also reduce the dosage needs for
meds.

Dr Jean Dodds is the one you want your vet to send his blood work to. She
will analyze the test results and fax you and your vet a diagnostic report.

BTW, Thyroxine or Soloxine is a pretty cheap med, and easy to does, as the
pills are little. Just tuck one into a chicken heart and feed!

HTHs
TC
Giselle

On 10/18/07, Renate <renate.tideswell@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi again, Russell is my foster with the seizures. He just will not eat
> his
> potassium bromide. Fights against it with all his might. I've wasted most
> of the day researching dietary help for epilepsy. I really think animals
> have a bit of sense and if this meek little dog is so against his meds
> there
> has to be a reason. So I'm going to put him on raw in the morning - I
> usually feed him at night, but all my own raw guys are fed in the morning,
> so he'll just have to join them and fast for a bit. No more meds. Is there
> anything extra I need to do to help his seizures, or just switch him over
> and hope for the best?
> --
> Renate
> 'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'
>
>

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3.1. Re: Tripe in a can Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Tripe
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:25 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Pepper!
Canned tripe is better than no tripe like canned fish is
better than no fish.
Acceptable occasionally, but not desirable.

Its still cooked. Cooking changes the composition and destroys nutrients.

Some online sources of raw tripe;
http://www.greentripe.com/

http://www.aplaceforpaws.com/rawgreenuntr.html

http://www.paws-for-raw.com/shop/index.php?cPath=37&osCsid=7b5f8e503e170c69c3f287d1a815c712
*http://tinyurl.com/29ka62

*http://bravosnaturalrearing.com/Main/GreenTripe.html*

*http://www.hare-today.com/product_info.php?products_id=45

Comparison between raw tripe;
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl
And canned tripe;
http://www.tripett.com/

TC
Giselle

On 10/18/07, Pepper <pepperanne14@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
> I was wondering if the green tripe in a can that I use is good enough....
> I couldn't find green tripe, but at the natural pet food store(they sell raw
> bones, patties, meats, and premium foods) they had cans of green tripe dog
> food. It's called Tripett www.tripett.com
>
> I buy the green beef tripe... but because it's canned it does get heated
> to seal the can but it says in the FAQ section that they did analysis on it
> and it kept it's nutritional value.... I know totally raw is best but is
> this better than no tripe at all?
>
> Thanks,
> Anna
>
>

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3.2. Re: Tripe in a can Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Tripe
Posted by: "Pepper" pepperanne14@yahoo.com pepperanne14
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:53 am ((PDT))

TYVM for the links Giselle.. I will check into them and see if they can ship to Canada :) I appreciate the help.
Anna

Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Pepper!
Canned tripe is better than no tripe like canned fish is
better than no fish.
Acceptable occasionally, but not desirable.

Its still cooked. Cooking changes the composition and destroys nutrients.

Some online sources of raw tripe;
http://www.greentripe.com/

http://www.aplaceforpaws.com/rawgreenuntr.html

http://www.paws-for-raw.com/shop/index.php?cPath=37&osCsid=7b5f8e503e170c69c3f287d1a815c712

*http://tinyurl.com/29ka62

*http://bravosnaturalrearing.com/Main/GreenTripe.html*

*http://www.hare-today.com/product_info.php?products_id=45

Comparison between raw tripe;
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

And canned tripe;
http://www.tripett.com/

TC
Giselle

On 10/18/07, Pepper <pepperanne14@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I was wondering if the green tripe in a can that I use is good enough....
> I couldn't find green tripe, but at the natural pet food store(they sell raw
> bones, patties, meats, and premium foods) they had cans of green tripe dog
> food. It's called Tripett www.tripett.com

>
> I buy the green beef tripe... but because it's canned it does get heated
> to seal the can but it says in the FAQ section that they did analysis on it
> and it kept it's nutritional value.... I know totally raw is best but is
> this better than no tripe at all?
>
> Thanks,
> Anna
>
>

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Cheers,
Pep

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4a. Re: Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:30 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "aliciamyan" <alicia_larson@...> wrote:
I have an offer for "pigs heads and their
> organs"...Heads okay? Should I decline any specific organs? Any
> suggestions on how to prepare my own digestive system before receiving
> these items?

Hi Alicia,
I think i would tell him that you would love the heads-a 4 paws up
favorite of my dogs- and anything else that it is convenient for him
to save for you. You might make him mad if you decline anything and he
has to sort stuff. I would take anything he gives you and then sort
it out when you get home. If you have to sort it out there yourself,
i would leave the intestines for sure. Me personally, i won't process
the stomach, but you could. I would take the heads, hearts, kidneys,
spleen?(i think that is what it is) and the liver. If he has the leg
with foot attached, i would take that as a great fun chew toy, not a
meal. The first couple of times i went to the slaughterhouse i cut
everything up into serving size hunks before i froze them. It was
icky and squishy and messy and i would never do that again. Now, i
bag and freeze stuff whole. When i want to feed it, i partially
defrost it and then cut off a serving size hunk and refreeze the rest
again. If you do the organs this way, i don't think you'll have any
trouble. As far as the heads go, its a mind set. That same pig is
already someones pork chops and bacon. All you are doing is making
sure none of the animal goes to waste.
You can do this! KathyM

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4b. Re: Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:55 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/18/2007 6:32:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
alicia_larson@msn.com writes:

Heads okay? Should I decline any specific organs? Any
suggestions on how to prepare my own digestive system before receiving
these items?

Alicia,

as far as pork goes.. we use everything but the oink.. lol. take all you can
get. it's getting cold now so having a pig head in the yard for a few days
isn't gonna become a nasty stinky mess..

Catherine R.

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4c. Re: Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:53 am ((PDT))

Hi Alicia,

I've only fed one half a lamb's head so far and let me tell you it was
pretty gross and hard to do (we're vegetarians, too). I had my husband
dump it out of the plastic bag onto the floor (on a towel). But it got
easier to watch--and it helped to see how much my dog loved it! He was
absolutely in heaven! I have a few more in the freezer and it will be
no biggie next time.

Good luck!

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "aliciamyan" <alicia_larson@...>
wrote:
Any
> suggestions on how to prepare my own digestive system before
receiving
> these items?
>

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5a. Re: Is it the eggs?
Posted by: "rlayt" rlayt@bresnan.net rlayt
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:30 am ((PDT))

Well, this has been quite an education about meat and butchery. I
usually try to avoid Walmart but the prospect of cheaper food had me
there. I bought leg quarters for .49 a lb which is the cheapest I
have seen anywhere. I think Walmart and other biggies already
killed off 99% of the independent grocers here so I have to try
Albertsons on ordering. I looked at seafood at Walmart but its all
from China and after reading about what the FDA turned away I won't
buy anything from China any more.

I am looking at other local resources. I need to try the freecycle
ad since hunters here are going to be cleaning out their freezers
soon. And, when I asked a hunting friend about saving me some duck
guts and feet she reminded me we have a wild game processor here. I
think I have to go knock on their door. And I was thinking that the
ham place that preps local hams might be getting big pig
parts...they advertise it as pig raised locally.

Keep the good info coming, please! Thanks for all the help.

Robin

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6a. Re: Explosive poo
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kkellogg22004"
<kkellogg22004@...> wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on what to do now?

There are basically 4 things in the raw diet that can cause diarrhea
like you described.
1. Not enough bone in the diet (I suggest chicken backs only for
the first week of raw feeding. They are good an boney and help keep
diarrhea away.)
2. Too much organ meat too early in the diat. (I suggest not
feeding organs for about 2 months when beginning raw feeding.)
3. Feeding too large volume for the dog to digest. (Try feeding
smaller meals.)
4. Feeding too much fat. (I suggest cutting the skin and extra fat
off the animal parts before feeding.)

I suspect one of these 4 things are causing your dog's problem. You
will have to study what you are feeding and determine which one(s)
might be the cause. Any of the 4 should clear up once your dog gets
used to digesting whole animal parts.

Good luck.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7.1. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, ginny wilken <gwilken@...> wrote:
>If every germ in our bodies was killed we would
> quickly die, as all the metabolic processes depend on the interior
> biomass.
>

I think that's way overstated.
What about germfree mice for example?

marty

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