Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12178

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: Newbie
From: Diane Young
1.2. Re: Newbie
From: Laura Atkinson
1.3. Re: Newbie
From: Diane Young
1.4. Re: Newbie
From: ginny wilken

2.1. new to raw
From: hanson_jenlynn
2.2. Re: new to raw
From: potensbeast
2.3. Re: new to raw
From: Denise and David Spotila
2.4. Re: new to raw
From: carnesbill

3a. Snapper
From: raffiangel2
3b. Re: Snapper
From: costrowski75

4.1. Venison
From: Donna

5a. Questions from a Newbie
From: aliciamyan
5b. Re: Questions from a Newbie
From: costrowski75
5c. Re: Questions from a Newbie
From: carnesbill

6a. Little-dog sized bones
From: Caitlin
6b. Re: Little-dog sized bones
From: carnesbill
6c. Re: Little-dog sized bones
From: T Smith

7a. Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
From: aliciamyan
7b. Re: Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
From: carnesbill

8.1. Re: Tripe
From: carnesbill
8.2. Re: Tripe
From: Arlene Fell

9a. Re: bony parts
From: carnesbill

10a. Re: Kitten
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

11. (RE: cleaning) & Now a MEAT score!
From: T Smith

12. Explosive poo
From: kkellogg22004

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1.1. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Diane Young" dkyoung63@yahoo.com dkyoung63
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:58 pm ((PDT))

I'll have to try that. I'd never heard of using that before, nor would I have ever thought to combine those two ingredients. Thank you, Chris.

Diane Young

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
There's hardly a sensible reason to rely on bleach when something less
invasive like a vinegar or hydrogren peroxide spritz will work just as
well. Especially in an enclosed space like a crate.
Chris O

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1.2. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:07 pm ((PDT))

Don't combine them in the same bottle! It takes two bottles...one with
vinegar (diluted white 50/50) and one with H202. Spritz with one, then the
other. Wipe and you're done.
(copying this to rawchat so questions can happen over there)

On 10/18/07, Diane Young <dkyoung63@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'll have to try that. I'd never heard of using that before, nor would I
> have ever thought to combine those two ingredients. Thank you, Chris.
>
> Diane Young
>
> costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
> There's hardly a sensible reason to rely on bleach when something less
> invasive like a vinegar or hydrogren peroxide spritz will work just as
> well. Especially in an enclosed space like a crate.
> Chris O
>
>
>
> --
> Laura A
> Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
> Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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1.3. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Diane Young" dkyoung63@yahoo.com dkyoung63
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:23 pm ((PDT))

Thank you.

Diane

Laura Atkinson <llatkinson@gmail.com> wrote: Don't combine them in the same bottle! It takes two bottles...one with
vinegar (diluted white 50/50) and one with H202. Spritz with one, then the
other. Wipe and you're done.
(copying this to rawchat so questions can happen over there)

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1.4. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:40 pm ((PDT))

On Oct 18, 2007, at 2:43 PM, T Smith wrote:

> I've always used bleach, always will. Best disinfectant/sterilizer
> IMO. We
> bleach everything once a week, all the floors...walls, crates,
> counters, etc
> & it is done during the day on any day if needed.
> I've not had problems with it & especially use it for the counter
> tops or
> cutting boards that raw meat is on.
> Trina

This is an example of literal "overkill". There is no need to
disinfect past a reasonable point, and you are past it here. Bleach
residue is a potent organic poison. And besides, germs are good for
us, keeping our immune systems sharp and ourselves resistant to all
sorts of encountered bugs. In fact, there is no life without germs;
they are inside and outside and already on every surface we touch,
raw meat or no. If every germ in our bodies was killed we would
quickly die, as all the metabolic processes depend on the interior
biomass.

Anyway, just try to relax a bit. You, your dogs, and your kids will
be better off. It's sufficient to get "the big pieces" when it comes
to household cleanliness.

ginny and Tomo

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2.1. new to raw
Posted by: "hanson_jenlynn" hanson_jenlynn@yahoo.com hanson_jenlynn
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:23 pm ((PDT))

i've been feeding my 5yr old pit bull raw for about two weeks now. all
she has had in these two weeks is chicken thighs. (she did have a small
beef rib the other day as well) however i noticed her poop is very
solid so i thought i should give her a little chicken liver to help her
out. she absolutely refuses to eat the liver! i even cooked it for
about 30seconds thinking it might make it smellier and therefore more
appetizing. no such luck. so now i don't know where i should go from
here. is there anything else i should try to give her to loosen her
poop? or any better way to try and get her to eat her liver? thanks in
advance
~jen

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2.2. Re: new to raw
Posted by: "potensbeast" potensbeast@hotmail.com potensbeast
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:31 pm ((PDT))

is there anything else i should try to give her to loosen her
> poop? or any better way to try and get her to eat her liver? thanks
in
> advance
> ~jen
>
My dog used to like liver, then decided it wasn't his cup of tea. Dogs
love the dehydrated liver (even mine). It gives my dog the runs (if
given too much, ie handful) though so be careful with it. There are
companies that make it and it is pretty cheap. Benny Bullies is one
that comes to mind.
Jana

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2.3. Re: new to raw
Posted by: "Denise and David Spotila" brookside_casa@yahoo.com brookside_casa
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:49 pm ((PDT))

I had trouble getting mine to eat liver also! I mix it with smelly green tripe and all gone!

David and Denise Spotila

Brookside Casa
Standard Poodles
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Average minds discuss events.
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From: hanson_jenlynn <hanson_jenlynn@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:16:47 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] new to raw

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2.4. Re: new to raw
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:32 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "hanson_jenlynn"
<hanson_jenlynn@...> wrote:
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> however i noticed her poop is very
> solid so i thought i should give her a little chicken liver to
> help her out.

Raw fed dog's poop is usually more solid than kibble fed dogs. If
it's not coming out white and powdery, I wouldn't worry about it. If
it turns white in a day or two, thats ok too. If you think you need
to feed less bone, give her some boneless chicken breast.

If you've been feeding her chicken only for two weeks and the poop is
not runny (obviously it's not) then it's time to add another meat
source. Perhaps a pork roast would be good. Not a lot of bone in the
ones that have them and some are boneless. Try feeding pork once or
twice a week. In a couple of weeks add another meat.

I wouldn't worry about liver for another month or so. It won't hurt
her to go that long and by then you will probably be feeding fish or
ground beef or something you can hide the liver in.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3a. Snapper
Posted by: "raffiangel2" snazgal@aol.com raffiangel2
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:31 pm ((PDT))

moderators note:sign your mails!!!

Finally got to the caribbean market and bought 2 perfect 1lb snapper
fishies....do I need to freeze them for any specific period of time?
I know I've seen a 'fish' thread but forgot what it said.

For all you newbies...I love your questions...cause you remind me of
me...and how nervous I was in the beginning...but I have to tell
you...this is the greatest gift you can give your furries...
Listen to the pros here...trust them...and although you might get the
grey hair, your babies will be fine.

My 2 goldens spent a week at boot camp with a trainer...we're getting
ready for Therapy Dog testing...he was so impressed with their physical
condition..and mental....he's converting all his dogs to RAW..

Thank you moderators...I read every post daily...don't post often, but
always learn something.

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3b. Re: Snapper
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

"raffiangel2" <snazgal@...> wrote:
> My 2 goldens spent a week at boot camp with a trainer...we're getting
> ready for Therapy Dog testing...he was so impressed with their
physical
> condition..and mental....he's converting all his dogs to RAW..
*****
What a stellar endorsement! Trainers are really hard to turn. It's
their job to "know everything" so they are skeptical of what they don't
know. Your dogs must be gorgeous. Congrats.

Regarding snapper--I've not read of any reason to freeze it first, and
in fact it might have been delivered frozen to the market, which makes
this moot. But it is a wild caught fish and as with all wild prey, you
take the higher quality protein with the chance (chance!) of parasites
in fresh--never frozen--fish. It's your call. Freezing solid for a
week will take care of parasites if you're worried. I'd be inclined to
feed them to my dogs straight from the market.
Chris O

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4.1. Venison
Posted by: "Donna" donnad2998@yahoo.com donnad2998
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:58 pm ((PDT))

Anyone near Jasper, Georgia or Roswell Georgia that feeds RAW?
Please reply to me if you do I have something for your dog that I
don't have room for. DEER

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lauraanimal1" <lauraanimal1@...>
wrote:
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> I put this up on my freecycle
>
> Hello all I have a Dog that is very allergic to proccessed foods so
> her vet put her on what is called a "RAW" diet. This is not cheep.
So
> i
> am look for anything that you might be getting rid of meat wise.
be it
> beef, rabbit, wild game, pork, chicken and etc. if it is meat and
raw
> that would be great. It is ok if it is a little bit freezer burned
so
> if your cleaning out your freezer think of me please.
>
> Laura
>
> P/S I am willing to sign something stating this is not ment for
Human
> consumption!
>
>
> I got a few replies to it as well as a few packages of wild game,
and
> I never got any negitive geed back or comments. However I am
trying
> the one that was posted on here and see how that one does.
Changing
> it up a bit I think helps too. So thanks for the other post and
> wording. will see if that helps out better, so thanks for that
post!!!
>
> Laura & Ishta
>
>
> >
> > What kind of ads are you all putting on Freecycle? I always get
> lecture type
> > of responses about raw feeding, and when I asked for freezer
burned
> meats, I
> > received a response asking why I'd feed my dogs something I
won't
> eat.
> > Always negative responses on feeding my dogs raw meats, and as
of
> yet have
> > not received a bite of meat or a positive response.
>
> >
>

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5a. Questions from a Newbie
Posted by: "aliciamyan" alicia_larson@msn.com aliciamyan
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:29 pm ((PDT))

I've been feeding raw for 3 weeks now - Flicka 11yo 50lb lab and
Moose 3yo about 85lb (should be 100lb I think) GSD. Thanks to many
generous folks, I have a good variety to choose from (moose, elk,
venison, duck, beef, chicken). I've been feeding just bone-in
chicken (whole breasts or hacked whole chickens), small amounts of
beef (recently added), salmon oil, and the occasional chicken liver,
all divided into two daily feedings (Moose about 3.5lbs/day and
Flicka about 1lb/day). Nearly all of the non-chicken items I've been
given are boneless. To ensure they get enough bone, I've purchased
chicken hindquarters to feed along with the boneless meats. I am
making sure 1/2 of their daily portion is chicken hindquarters. I
would like to eventually move on to big food, but until I get the
hang of it and get weight on my gsd, I'm sticking to twice-a-day
meals and sometimes more.

Questions:
1) Does it sound like I'm going about this right? I have the dogs'
enthusiastic approval, but they'd approve of a pizza diet.
2) Anyone heard of Hudson Chicken? The packaging says nothing
about additives, only "Less than 5% retained water." I'm getting it
for $.69/lb by the 40lb box from my locally owned grocery store.
3) I started Moose at 3% of his current weight, he started to put
on a little weight, started feeling better, needed to exercise him
more to burn his extra energy, and lost his little bit of weight. I
think he used his little bit of fat to add on on more muscle! SOOO,
I bumped him to 3.5% of what we think is his ideal weight (which he's
never weighed, so once I see the front ribs and hip bones get some
padding, I'll know what his ideal weight really is!) Any other
suggestions for adding weight to an underweight gsd?

Thanks in advance for your shared wisdom,
Alicia

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5b. Re: Questions from a Newbie
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:43 pm ((PDT))

"aliciamyan" <alicia_larson@...> wrote:
>> Questions:
> 1) Does it sound like I'm going about this right? I have the
dogs'
> enthusiastic approval, but they'd approve of a pizza diet.
*****
Hey, I know those dogs!

I think you're doing fine; you really don't need to sweat the
nutritional bone so precisely though. I feed lots of boneless meals
and only occasionally do I toss in a chicken quarter or pork neck. I
figure the bone-in body parts I do feed are plenty compensation for
most of the boneless meals.

If you feel that adding bone to meatymeat meals benefits their
digestion, that's something else. In which case, do what you see fit.

> 2) Anyone heard of Hudson Chicken? The packaging says nothing
> about additives, only "Less than 5% retained water." I'm getting
it
> for $.69/lb by the 40lb box from my locally owned grocery store.
*****
If it is honest enough to label retained water, it probably is
minimally processed, no fuel injected anything. The brand no doubt
is local--can you ask the grocer for details?

> 3) Any other
> suggestions for adding weight to an underweight gsd?
*****
Patience, if he's a young un. They take time to fill out. Also,
feed fat to bowel tolerance. As he grows accustomed to greater
amounts of fat, add more. And, as you have already figured out,
increase his intake, also to bowel tolerance.

If he's digesting well (good stools, no upheavals) then he's clearly
using what you're feeding. It's when you pack the chow in and the
result is wretched stools and a generally unthrifty dog that you have
to worry about the amount you're feeding.
Chris O

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5c. Re: Questions from a Newbie
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:33 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "aliciamyan" <alicia_larson@...>
wrote:
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does it sound like I'm going about this right?

Yes, you are doing great. Maybe you are worrying a little more than
you need to about the amount of bone but still doing great. :)

> 2) Anyone heard of Hudson Chicken? The packaging says nothing
> about additives, only "Less than 5% retained water."

Again you are doing great and probably worrying too much about
whether or not the chicken is enhanced (in this case it's not). If
you didn't read it on the package, you would never know if it is nor
not and neither would your dogs.

> 3) I started Moose at 3% of his current weight, he started
> to put on a little weight

Don't try to rush the weight gain. It's healther if he gains weight
slowly. If he is continously gaining weight, I wouldn't worry if it
took him a year to get to ideal (it won't take that long).

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6a. Little-dog sized bones
Posted by: "Caitlin" caitlin@artistry-design.com fancyfacepoms
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:12 pm ((PDT))

Hi,
I've got two Poms that I've been feeding ground rabbit, lamb, chicken,
etc. But I know they need something to chew on. I've been having trouble
finding any meaty bones that are size appropriate for my 6 pound and 4
pound dogs. Usually what I can find doesn't have a whole lot of meat,
just bone. Any suggestions?

Caitlin & The Poms

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6b. Re: Little-dog sized bones
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:33 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Caitlin <caitlin@...> wrote:
>
> Usually what I can find doesn't have a whole lot of meat,
> just bone. Any suggestions?

Chicken necks, wings, drumsticks, backs, pork ribs, goat ribs, turkey
wings, duck necks, duck backs and probably a lot of other things I
can't think of right now. I assume you want to cut back on ground
items and feed these animal parts most of the time.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6c. Re: Little-dog sized bones
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:36 pm ((PDT))

chicken drumsticks. My teenie Lhasa chows em down with the other two
Lhasas!
Trina

On 10/18/07, Caitlin <caitlin@artistry-design.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I've got two Poms that I've been feeding ground rabbit, lamb, chicken,
> etc. But I know they need something to chew on. I've been having trouble
> finding any meaty bones that are size appropriate for my 6 pound and 4
> pound dogs. Usually what I can find doesn't have a whole lot of meat,
> just bone. Any suggestions?
>
> Caitlin & The Poms
> _
>

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7a. Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
Posted by: "aliciamyan" alicia_larson@msn.com aliciamyan
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:32 pm ((PDT))

I just got a "hit" on my craigslist, and being new to this, not sure of
what my answer should be. I have an offer for "pigs heads and their
organs"...Heads okay? Should I decline any specific organs? Any
suggestions on how to prepare my own digestive system before receiving
these items?

Thanks,
Alicia

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7b. Re: Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:34 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "aliciamyan" <alicia_larson@...>
wrote:
>
> I just got a "hit" on my craigslist, and being new to this, not
> sure of
> what my answer should be. I have an offer for "pigs heads and their
> organs"...Heads okay?

I have never fed any heads but I know a lot of people who have and
yes, they are good to feed but may be messy. I think they would
definately be an outside meal.

> Should I decline any specific organs?

> Any
> suggestions on how to prepare my own digestive system
> before receiving these items?

Watch a lot of medical shows on TV. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8.1. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:32 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, debby lappat <dlappat@...> wrote:
>
> So Bill what do you feed and what do you feel is a super food?

I feed a vareity of things but mostly (in no particular order)
chicken, turkey, beef heart, venison, pork, fish, an occasional whole
rabbit and beef plus organs of different kinds. If there are any
foods that I would consider super foods they would be venison, beef
heart and possibly whole rabbit. Well, beef would be right up there
too. :) :) :) Of course liver would be the super organ and chicken
backs the super bone. :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8.2. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "Arlene Fell" abeautiful3@yahoo.com abeautiful3
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:36 pm ((PDT))

MODERATOR'S NOTE: TRIM YOUR MESSAGES!

I was wondering how much tripe and how often to feed; and is tripe considered a meal in its self?

Arlene

debby lappat <dlappat@yahoo.com> wrote: MODERATOR'S NOTE: PLEASE TRIM AND SIGN YOUR MESSAGES!

So Bill what do you feed and what do you feel is a super food? thanks !!

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote: "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
>
> Green tripe is not a super food nor is it particularly nutritious
> nor nearly valuable enough to go to the touble, expense, and discust
> one has to go through to buy it and feed it. :)
*****
And equally, chicken backs are not super food and are not particularly
nutritious. They are worth no more effort--and no less effort--than
green tripe requires.

Those who have access to green tripe should consider it a useful part
of the diet, no less useful than chicken backs. If one has the
interest, wherewithal and tolerance (I do not find it disgusting),
green tripe is not without its purpose.
Chris O

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9a. Re: bony parts
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:54 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@... wrote:
>
> i'm sure i'm missing something here.. chicken backs and necks
> for great danes? my great dane puppy makes whole chickens
> look like a snack.. and backs and necks by themselves are far
> too boney unless you're providing more meat somewhere else..

I feed both my Great Danes 2 chicken backs each every morning and
have been for 5 years (well one of then is only 3 years old ;) )
That is their morning meal. Of course, like you say, its basically
a snack. Of course they get more meat in the evening meal.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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10a. Re: Kitten
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:32 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/18/2007 4:09:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, "Felicia
Kost" writes:

My dog adopted a kitten last night. I am not exactly a cat person but I
guess I' ll become one! Can I feed the kitten mini versions of what I feed my
dog? Dog gets a basic variety of whatever I can get! Do kittens have any special
nutrtion requirements? I was wondering about taurine?

You'll probably do fine feeding the kitten like it was a dog, provided it's
young enough to take to raw easily, which it probably is. There's taurine in
all meats but most is in heart, so I fed some chicken hearts a couple of times
a week, just to be sure--until I scored beef heart and that went over so
well with all 3 of my cats that it's become a full meal in itself, a couple of
times a week. Same as with dogs--mostly meaty meat, some bone and a little
organ, split between liver and something else (heart and gizzard don't count as
organ)--in my case, lamb kidney is the only other organ I've found, but I
keep looking. The kitten will need to eat 3 or 4 times a day if it's pretty
young, down to twice a day as it's growing up.

The only thing noteworthy about the difference in a dog and a cat is that
you cannot starve a cat into eating what it doesn't want to, because if it goes
over 24 hr. without food it is at risk of a possibly fatal liver ailment. I
know we've all read about the cat that survived 2 weeks in the well, etc., and
in the past I've left my cats without food for more than 24 hr. without any
problem, but not since I learned of the risk...

Lynda

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11. (RE: cleaning) & Now a MEAT score!
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:34 pm ((PDT))

Sorry ginny, Than overkill it will be.
I don't like germs. I will never be able to lighten up, if anything, I get
worse the older I get. There's enough germs outside, on the food, etc that
my house will be as sterile as I can get it. My 18 year old daughter rarely
ever had even a sniffle in her life & my 2 year old son will be raised the
same. Bad germs, bad, bad germs :-)

NOW!!! i got a HUGE hit on my freecycle ad from a week ago. I think it
was Maggie's wordage that i used!
The lady got back to me & said she had a shelf in her freezer with meat for
me so i arranged to go get it today (2 hour round trip to the other end of
the island) and this morning she confirmed it in an email & said her mum had
also dropped off some meat for me to get. Yipppeeee
After my dog saw the vet today (sigh) & my interview, we zoomed down to her
house..... and she had: 4 trash bags full of meat & two boxes, the bags were
in her garage because they didn't fit in the freezer!! There are HUGE pork
loin roasts, t-bone steaks, pork loin steaks, a turkey, fish & more! I have
no idea how many pounds but i told her to let her friends know if they had
any since I have 9 dogs!
SO, thank you all for your ideas & sending me to freecycle
yahoooo!!!!!!!!!!
Trina

On 10/18/07, ginny wilken <gwilken@alamedanet.net> wrote:
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> Anyway, just try to relax a bit. You, your dogs, and your kids will
> be better off. It's sufficient to get "the big pieces" when it comes
> to household cleanliness.
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> ginny and Tomo
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12. Explosive poo
Posted by: "kkellogg22004" kkellogg22004@yahoo.com kkellogg22004
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:37 pm ((PDT))

I've been feeding my two basenjis prey-model raw for two weeks now;
pre-made, ground raw diet before that for about a year. Trying to
read every message from this group, but falling behind!

Ginger, my 9-plus-year-old rescue, has had *explosive* diarrhea,
off-and-on, no discernable trigger, for about six months now. Vet,
who is conventional but open-minded about raw (haven't yet discussed
prey-model), can't find reason. Tried standard protocols - no change.
(I should mention that Ginger's always had markedly better digestion
on raw rather than even the most expensive canned or kibbled food.)

Today my small (rental) house was sprayed, to two feet up the walls,
with liquid poo containing some bone fragments. This is what she has
been producing for two weeks, although always in controlled episodes -
on walks, etc.

I've been feeding whole chickens cut into quarters, no organs, for
each meal. Twice I've substituted pork chops. Both dogs love, love,
love the food. Ginger's missing many teeth but does just fine ripping
and tearing. After particularly bad episodes, I'll fast them for a
day. Any suggestions on what to do now? I respect my vet, but I
think she's pretty stumped here. Needless to say, money is an issue,
although of course I want to take care of my dog.

Kate

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