[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12168

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Turkey Drums
From: Tina Berry

2a. Re: New at Raw Feeding
From: katkellm
2b. Re: New at Raw Feeding
From: Michael Moore
2c. Re: New at Raw Feeding
From: jennifer_hell

3a. Re: I just joined
From: Sandee Lee

4a. Emu
From: Morledzep@aol.com
4b. Re: Emu
From: Yasuko herron

5a. Re: pork shoulder
From: kahonebay

6a. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: nwworkingdogs@aol.com
6b. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: Scott Baker
6c. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: costrowski75
6d. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: Raw feeding info and literature in Spanish?
From: tillandsiausneoides

8. UPDATE ON PRINCESS NALA - THE PARVO PUP
From: dogsofnature

9a. What does GSD stand for?
From: cynthiashankman
9b. Re: What does GSD stand for?
From: MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com

10a. Re: picking out bones
From: mandarini_gg

11a. Beef Question
From: windmilldairy
11b. Re: Beef Question
From: costrowski75

12a. Just switched to raw- question
From: reachpanda
12b. Re: Just switched to raw- question
From: katkellm
12c. Re: Just switched to raw- question
From: Laurie Swanson

13a. Switching a 12-year-old dog to raw food
From: Yoko
13b. Re: Switching a 12-year-old dog to raw food
From: Carol Dunster

14. Dry aged beef scraps - safe?
From: Margo Farnsworth

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1a. Re: Turkey Drums
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:38 pm ((PDT))

I prefer turkey over chicken, but turkey drums although pretty meaty, have a
little too much bone ratio. I feed a 1lb turkey drum with 1lb venison to my
bunch so they get their approx. 10 bone in there to keep their poops
normal. I would recommend buying whole turkeys on sale (or chicken) and cut
the chickens in half - feed a half a chicken with the organs for a meal. I
mostly feed wild game since it's hunting season now, IMO wild game then
turkey are the closest to a natural diet. I don't feed a variety of meats,
I feed venison year round as long as I have it (at least 9 months anyway).
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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2a. Re: New at Raw Feeding
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:39 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Marilyn Neil <ems1classic@...> wrote:
Grate one veg/fruit and also to add to meat three times a week.

Hi Kristina,
I have only raised one puppy on raw, my adopted aussie/bc x, so i
thought i would let others who bred reply, but i just wanted to offer
my opinion to this post because i have never, nor would i ever, fed my
puppy or my adult dogs grated veggies or fruit or introduce carbs in
the form of oats. I would like to suggest that before you take that
advice, you read the archives about dogs as carnivores, the finest
post is Giselle's post for factual authenticity,
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/144402.

Veggies
and fruits are not necessary in you puppy's diet and can actually be
harmful. At the very least, they occupy a seat in the diet that could
be taken by meat. Inappropriate food choices made for a puppy can only
lead to trouble later on. JMO, KathyM

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2b. Re: New at Raw Feeding
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:39 pm ((PDT))

>>We start our pups on raw from 5 weeks old. We start by giving them ground beef and minced chicken, chicken carcasses with skin and back bone removed, Oats soaked overnight in goats milk, yogurt, honey, veg. <<

Marilyn -- I have to strongly disagree with part of your response to Kristina. I do not believe there is any need for any grains in a puppy's diet -- ever. Not when they are being weaned, not ever. I weaned my Corgi puppies to raw without any grains, just prey model, not even anything ground or minced. I simply ribboned the meat on the bone-in chicken breasts for the first week to give them something to grab onto. I give *no* veggies/fruits as you also recommended, nor is there any reason to, IMO.
I do suggest to Kristina that she feeds her puppy four times daily until about 4 mos., then three times daily until 6 mos. At around 10-12 mos., I will move puppies to once daily feedings. I use chicken to introduce the puppies to raw since the bones are so soft and easily chewed.
But I quickly move onto other proteins. By 7 weeks of age, my pups had eaten venison, elk, beef, pork, fish, eggs, turkey and chicken. I do believe that introducing a variety of foods early is easy and sensible with puppies.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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2c. Re: New at Raw Feeding
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:56 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Marilyn Neil <ems1classic@...> wrote:
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> Hi Kristina
>
> We start our pups on raw from 5 weeks old. We start by giving
them ground beef and minced chicken, chicken carcasses with skin and
back bone removed, Oats soaked overnight in goats milk, yogurt, honey,
veg.
>
What makes oats, goat's milk, yogurt, honey and vegetable a species
appropriate part of the diet?

Jennifer with Mandy

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3a. Re: I just joined
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:27 pm ((PDT))

Hi Barbara,

Yes, all of those supplements are unnecessary (as well as the yogurt, fruits
& veggies). Seriously, there is not one ingredient in these supplements
that has any benefit to a carnivore...and some that could certainly cause
problems. Dogs are not designed to digest starches, grains, sugars,
soy...they have no requirement for carbohydrates. Flax is not useful to a
carnivore, cod liver oil is merely Vitamins A & D which are fat soluble, can
be overdosed and provided in their diet. Kelp is one thing I surely would
avoid as it can inhibit the thyroid...and it is found in both the Wellness
and Missing Link.

If a dog has a specific need for a specific supplement, by all means use it,
but "just in case" supplements that include everything but the kitchen sink
are not beneficial and a huge waste of money.

Stick with the diet as nature intended...lots and lots of nice red meat, a
little bit of edible bone and some organs. Can't improve on that! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "barbarakaslow" <barbarakaslow@yahoo.com>
I just joined, and I have two Bchon Firses 15, & 8 yr males
who eat the raw diet as well as yogurt, veggies and fruit.
I was wondering about the Missing Link, Wellness supplement
and the flax seed and Cod Liver oils. I have been using those
as well for years now and haven't had a problem, does anyone
else? I just read something online about how they are unnecesary.

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4a. Emu
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:58 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/16/2007 10:51:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com writes:

And,I like to ask,where did you get Emu? The other day,I found exotic site
that tellsflavor difference along with retailer page andI posted it ,but they do
not have Emu. Your dog likes it? waht part of Emu is most recommended to
feed?I don't think you can buy whole Emu,I think.

Yassy,

many years ago i had a great source for emu and didn't feed raw.. didn't
realize the gold mine that i had. My dad raised emu, and we started feeding raw
a couple years after he died..

We got emu through our buying group, the buying group bought it from an emu
farm that raised emu for oil. after they butchered the emu and harvested the
fat they sold off all the rest of the animal. we got big hunks of lean meat,
HUGE easy to eat bones, whole necks, whole legs.. now that was a treat. the
dogs LOVED it..

but apparently our emu connection petered out.. we haven't got any in a
couple years and i've mined my freezers all the way to the bottom and i just can't
find any more.

Catherine R.

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4b. Re: Emu
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:51 pm ((PDT))

> apparently our emu connection petered out

Hi,Catherine. If you put EMU is yahoo search,most comes out with result of Emu oil or soap..no meat. Maybe if I lived in Australia,it could have been easier to find farms??

I am always looking new stuff although now the freezer still close to full...so,if anybody know source of Emu in US,and if you shared with us,it will be super

Thanks.

yassy

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5a. Re: pork shoulder
Posted by: "kahonebay" kahonebay@yahoo.com kahonebay
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:58 pm ((PDT))

Jim & Sara,
I have two 3-year old GSD's and they LOVE pork picnic shoulder roasts.
I try to purchase large 10+ pound roasts when they are on sale and then
shave off of it until I have it down to a good size meal for my 125LB
male and then he'll get the bone w/meat (about 3lbs). I alternate
between the two (the next time I have a large picnic roast that is
shaved down the other GSD, a 90LB female, gets it and vice versa). It
takes them awhile to get through the bone, but most of the time they do
get through it. Sometimes I find left over bits of the bone (2-3 inch
pieces) in the yard that they didn't finish and I just toss those when
I find them. When they have a good sized meal like that I usually feed
a little light the next couple of days. Good luck!
Kris

> I'm curious about pork shoulders, are the bones in a pork shoulder OK
> for my GSD dog to consume. Would she be able to eat the whole thing?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim & Sara
>

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6a. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "nwworkingdogs@aol.com" nwworkingdogs@aol.com firegin1
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:54 pm ((PDT))

Turkey is full of an amino acid called L-Tryptophan. There is some in milk
as well. L-Tryptophan makes you sleepy. That's why when we eat turkey and
drink milk at Thanksgiving, we get tired and want to take a nap. Of course,
in my house everyone else takes a nap whilst I end up doing the damned
dishes!!!

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6b. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "Scott Baker" scottsbaker@gmail.com scottpsbaker
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:59 pm ((PDT))

ummm, this is actually not true. L-Tryptophan does not make you sleepy.
There is the same amount of L-Tryptophan in Chicken as there is in turkey.
People get tired because we fill our guts at thanksgiving lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-tryptophan

Turkey meat and drowsiness

One widely-held urban myth <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_myth> is that
heavy consumption of turkey
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_%28bird%29>meat (as for example
in a
Thanksgiving <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving> feast) results in
drowsiness, which has been attributed to high levels of tryptophan contained
in turkey.[42] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-tryptophan#_note-Helmenstine>
[43] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-tryptophan#_note-howstuffworks>[44]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-tryptophan#_note-McCue>While
turkey does contain high levels of tryptophan, the amount is
comparable to that contained in most other
meats.[12]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-tryptophan#_note-USDA>Furthermore
postprandial <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postprandial> Thanksgiving
sedation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedation> may have more to do with
what is consumed along with the turkey, and in particular
carbohydrates<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate>,
rather than the turkey itself

On 10/16/07, nwworkingdogs@aol.com <nwworkingdogs@aol.com> wrote:
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> Turkey is full of an amino acid called L-Tryptophan. There is some in
> milk
> as well. L-Tryptophan makes you sleepy. That's why when we eat turkey and
> drink milk at Thanksgiving, we get tired and want to take a nap. Of
> course,
> in my house everyone else takes a nap whilst I end up doing the damned
> dishes!!!
>
> Virginia Dunn & the NW Working Dogs Team!
> ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> The pics are up! Come see all the fun we had at the
> NW Working Dogs Expo!
> June 1st, 2nd and 3rd at the Clackamas County Fairgrounds.
> Then, help us plan for next year!
> ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> www.NWWorkingDogs.com
> .
>
>
>

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6c. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:38 pm ((PDT))

nwworkingdogs@... wrote:
>
> Turkey is full of an amino acid called L-Tryptophan. There is some
in milk
> as well.
*****
It is practically everywhere, including red meat, eggs, fish and
poultry. The amount found in turkey is typical for poultry in
general. For more information, check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan

Chris O

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6d. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:42 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Baker" <scottsbaker@...>
wrote:
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> ummm, this is actually not true. L-Tryptophan does not make you
sleepy.
> There is the same amount of L-Tryptophan in Chicken as there is in
turkey.
> People get tired because we fill our guts at thanksgiving lol
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-tryptophan
*****
Oops!
Sorry to walk all over your post, Scott.
I shoulda read first.
Chris O

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7a. Re: Raw feeding info and literature in Spanish?
Posted by: "tillandsiausneoides" amwagner@botany.ufl.edu tillandsiausneoides
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:58 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alexanderdewey"
<alexanderdewey@...> wrote:
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> Can anyone suggest a good publication or on-line resource which
> discusses raw feeding (whole prey model) in Spanish?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex Dewey
>

Hola Alex,

http://www.lobourbano.com/

Ann

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8. UPDATE ON PRINCESS NALA - THE PARVO PUP
Posted by: "dogsofnature" dogsofnature@yahoo.com dogsofnature
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:59 pm ((PDT))

Hello All,

Just want to thank you for all of the great advice and support in my
Dane puppy's time of need. I drove 2.5 hours to pick up Parvaid and
Vibactra on Sunday morning. I administered everything as directed and
it worked wonderfully!! By the time I gave Nala the second dose of
Parvaid, she was drinking water on her own. Today, she had her first
solid bowel movement and I never thought that I would celebrate POOP.
Right now she eats around six to seven tiny meals a day, her appetite
is really picking back up. I feed her ground raw turkey w/mashed
sweet potato, garlic, and honey. I'll start her on bone meals next
week. She's very strong and playful, almost back to herself again.

Thanks again for everything, especially introducing us to Parvaid and
Vibactra

Kesha and Princess Nala (I posted her picture in Photos)

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9a. What does GSD stand for?
Posted by: "cynthiashankman" ShankMa4@aol.com cynthiashankman
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:38 pm ((PDT))

Hi ~

What type of dog does GSD stand for?

Thanks.

Cindi

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9b. Re: What does GSD stand for?
Posted by: "MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com" MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com mustbluvspaniels
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:54 pm ((PDT))

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10a. Re: picking out bones
Posted by: "mandarini_gg" amanda.gasparini@gmail.com mandarini_gg
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:54 pm ((PDT))

My Dane does the EXACT same thing, and she does it only with chicken.
She picks out the bones until the entire 1/2 bird I gave her is
mangled (but still in 1 piece) and lying in the grass. Once that
happens, she's completely uninterested.

I'm dealing with it tonite, actually. I always just put the meat back
into the fridge or freezer, offer it again a few hours later, and if
she doesn't eat it, oh well! I'll just offer it again the next
evening. Sometimes it goes on for a while...she'll just nibble at it
and flop it around a bit, but eventually, she eats it. Once the
chicken is all gone, THEN I give her the "good stuff"....emu, pork,
beef...the stuff she LOVES).

Mandi

-What is weird is she very carefully picks out the bones
-and leaves the meat is a few chunks on the floor.

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11a. Beef Question
Posted by: "windmilldairy" drwindmill@gmail.com windmilldairy
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:26 pm ((PDT))

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As many of you already I own a large dairy farm and unfortunately we often have extra beef
around. How much of a dogs diet can consist of beef(instead of chicken or turkey)? I think I
am going to feed a raw diet when I take the plunge. I would love if someone could give me a
sample meal or meals for a typical day. Also, how many meals for growing puppy and how
many meals for an adult. Thanks

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11b. Re: Beef Question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:01 pm ((PDT))

"windmilldairy" <drwindmill@...> wrote:
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> As many of you already I own a large dairy farm and unfortunately we
often have extra beef
> around.
*****
Well, maybe not a misfortune for your dogs!

How much of a dogs diet can consist of beef(instead of chicken or
turkey)?
*****
A raw diet does not have to include chicken or turkey at all in terms
of meat protein. But since beef bones--especially mature beef bones--
are difficult if not impossible to eat and also are renowned for
busting teeth, you may want to feed chicken, turkey, lamb and goat for
edible bone.

I think I
> am going to feed a raw diet when I take the plunge. I would love if
someone could give me a
*****
What plunge? Most people consider raw the plunge but it sounds as if
you've got a pre-raw plunge to deal with first. How many obstacles you
got going here?

> sample meal or meals for a typical day.
*****
Today I fed my retrievers lamb breasts which will tide them over for
two days. The cat got some venison in the AM and half a quail in the
PM; the BC not-a-pup-anymore got venison as her daily meal. Tomorrow
the cat will get some chicken something and the BC will get a leg
quarter. Or maybe a wing/breast quarter.

I try to put as much red meat into the menu as I can, including of
course beef.

Also, how many meals for growing puppy and how
> many meals for an adult.
*****
IMO a young growing pup can get three maybe four meals a day; a
middlin' growing pup can get two meals; and an advanced growing pup can
switch to one meal at 10 months or so--but ultimately it depends on how
the pup does on what you feed. Adjusting to meet the needs of the dog
is one of the joys/responsibilities of feeding a custom diet.

The adult's needs are similar: feed what works best for the dog. I
generally move dogs to Big Food/Small Food rotations when they're
safely into their first year...but it does vary by dog. Some dogs
never graduate to Big Food/Small Food but that's okay.
Chris O

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12a. Just switched to raw- question
Posted by: "reachpanda" reachpanda@yahoo.com reachpanda
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:26 pm ((PDT))

I found a stray mini-rottweiler 4 months ago (approx 1.5-2 y/o) who is
now part of our family. She has had chronic diarhhea from day one and
has been to the vet several times and tried many medications, deworming
etc. Nothing seemed to be working, so, after a lot of research, I
switched her to a raw diet almost 2 weeks ago. I started with chicken
backs and leg quarters and added an egg one day. She seemed to be
improving, but then my local pet store convinced me that it is
impossible to feed a balanced raw diet and that I had to mix a raw dry
food in with the store bought chicken. And of course since I started
adding in the dry she is getting worse.

Obviously I will stop feeding her the raw dry food, but what about the
prepackaged raw patties? I want to feed her 100% on my own, but what
about keeping some patties on hand for emergencies? Are they worth it?
Or should I only feed store bought meat at any cost?

Andrea

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12b. Re: Just switched to raw- question
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:07 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "reachpanda" <reachpanda@...> wrote
> Obviously I will stop feeding her the raw dry food, but what about the
> prepackaged raw patties? I want to feed her 100% on my own, but what
> about keeping some patties on hand for emergencies? Are they worth it?
> Or should I only feed store bought meat at any cost?

Hi Andrea,
IMO, the prepackaged raw patties are not worth keeping around. The
frozen raw patties have a very high bone content because it is cheaper
to make the patties with lots of bone, less meat, and therefore more
money for the company. Also, the patties usually contain veggies such
as green beans and acorn squash which should not be on a carnivore's
menu. Basically, the makers of frozen patties run a hustle similar to
that of the kibble companies. So, i just can't recommend them. Also,
a pet store could be viewed as having the same agenda as a pet food
company. It is to the pet store's advantage to convince you that
feeding your dog proper nutrition either requires a PHD in something
or something they just happen to sell. Let us know how it goes for
your now very lucky rescue girl. KathyM

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12c. Re: Just switched to raw- question
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:28 pm ((PDT))

Also, because of her issues and the irritation she's had to her system,
it would be a good idea to keep things simple (at least for awhile
until she's more stable). If you can find some packaged food that's
just meat/bone/organ, and it's a protein she does well with, you could
keep some on hand and mix or alternate w/some meat (since, like Kathy
mentioned, the patties are usually high in bone). Or if she ends up
doing ok on some of the mixed patties, you could use those sometimes.
My dog does better without the veggies and I think veggies might be
likely to flare up any kind of digestive issue in dogs. You could also
just keep some "easy" meals in the freezer for emergencies that would
serve the same purpose. Whatever seems easy to you--chicken leg
quarters, boneless meat of some kind, ground meat, etc. Separate them
into meal size baggies and there you go. You could just make sure you
have an emergency stash of anything that works.

Laurie

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13a. Switching a 12-year-old dog to raw food
Posted by: "Yoko" ys57701@gmail.com ys57701
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:28 pm ((PDT))

I read a few web articles regarding raw feeding, but I have not been able to
find any that addresses issues on feeding old dogs. An article on caring for
old dogs recommended "light" diet. Shall I give my 12-year-old Lab-Spaniel
mix lean meat? Does an older dog tolerate fasting as well as younger adult
dogs? My dog's teeth and health are in pretty good conditions except a bout
of arthritic pain she suffers when the humidity is high. I'm planning to
switch her diet cold turkey to raw, but I would like to hear your advice
before carrying it out. Thank you.

Yoko (a new member)

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13b. Re: Switching a 12-year-old dog to raw food
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:37 pm ((PDT))

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:18:49 -0600, you wrote:

>I read a few web articles regarding raw feeding, but I have not been able to
>find any that addresses issues on feeding old dogs.

I don't know either, but last week I switched all of my Silkys to raw
(I have four of them). The oldest is almost 13, then there are two
that are 11 and one that is 4 or 5 (I've lost track!). They sure don't
seem to have any problem with it at all. They LOVE their new food and
I'm just planning to adjust quantities and fats if I have trouble with
their weight. :)

They were already used to raw supplements to their kibble - I've a
source for free beef liver and heart and we had duck eggs I've given
them for a couple of years now. So, I quit the kibble and added
chicken so far and even the mostly toothless old girl manages to
crunch down a whole chicken wing, bones and all with no trouble.
(Remember these are toy breeds, so their day's intake is about 1/4
lb.)
~ Carol
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14. Dry aged beef scraps - safe?
Posted by: "Margo Farnsworth" mfarnsworth@mfgraffix.com mfarnsworth06759
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:36 pm ((PDT))

I have a friend who raises natural beef and then dry ages it. This process
creates a lot of waste that they cut away on the outside of the carcass.
Does anyone know if this would be safe to feed to dogs?

Dry-aged steak is aged in the open air at controlled temperature between 34
F and 38 F with an ambient humidity level adjusted between 50% and 75%.

Margo

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