[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12166

There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Dog doesnt seem to know how to eat raw!
From: carnesbill
1b. Re: Dog doesnt seem to know how to eat raw!
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: pork shoulder
From: carnesbill
2b. Re: pork shoulder
From: Morledzep@aol.com
2c. Re: pork shoulder
From: woofwoofgrrl

3a. Re: Puppy with the runs
From: Ido Ben

4a. Re: Very odd poo
From: carnesbill

5. New: need advice
From: sltahoek9s

6. no poop since Saturday
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

7.1. Re: Fish was Re: Shopping for raw and the benefits to owners
From: woofwoofgrrl

8. I just joined
From: barbarakaslow

9a. Re: feeding raw and aggression
From: moemahood@aol.com

10a. Re: older GSD losing fur
From: moemahood@aol.com

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1a. Re: Dog doesnt seem to know how to eat raw!
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:22 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cassiusclay84"
<cassiusclay84@...> wrote:
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> Is he just a newb at eating something that requires actual
> chewing and ripping? He seems to enjoy the chicken, but also seems
> frustrated that he cant eat it.

I think you are trying too hard. You are getting both yourself and
the dog upset. Back off and let him figure it out. It may take a
few meals but he wlll get it. Put his food down and get away from
him. Stay close enought to keep an eye on him but don't say
anything or bother him in any way. He will figure it out. Have
patience and give him time. Don't hold his food. Don't do anything
but stay out of his way. He will be downing a chicken quarter in
about 5 minutes in no time then you will be posting about him
gobbling his food too fast and not chewing properly. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1b. Re: Dog doesnt seem to know how to eat raw!
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:37 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/15/2007 7:36:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cassiusclay84@yahoo.com writes:

Questions: Is 1.25 lbs too much for him at once? Should I give him
smaller portions? I really dont want to feed him twice a day,

Ali,

take a deep breath.. relax. a chicken quarter is fine for a meal. exact
weights aren't important. if he's "supposed" to get 1 lb per day then if the leg
quarter is more than 1/2 lb or less than 1.5 lbs then you're feeding him
enough.

In the beginning it's probably better to stick to the lighter side. But it's
really no big deal, he MIGHT have looser stools, but probably not.

As far as the holding it down to eat.. some dogs never do that. i have dogs
that would rather die than have their food touch their pristine paws.. and i
have dogs that stand on their food and rip away.. it's an individual thing.
And holding the food for your dog is counter productive, so is cajoling and
fussing trying to get him to eat.

What you want to do is put the food down for him where you want him to eat.
If he is working on it and trying to figure it out, let him.. don't interfere.
IF he licks it and walks away, pick it up and put it away till his next
regular meal time (yes this means the following day if you want to feed once a
day).

There is no reason to feed a normal healthy adult dog more than once a day.
And lots of us feed our dogs even less often than that.

Catherine R.

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2a. Re: pork shoulder
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:22 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "rocketblasther" <jforbes05@...>
wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> I'm curious about pork shoulders, are the bones in a pork
> shoulder OK for my GSD dog to consume.

Yes

> Would she be able to eat the whole thing?

Probably so.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2b. Re: pork shoulder
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:44 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/15/2007 9:20:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jforbes05@sbcglobal.net writes:

I'm curious about pork shoulders, are the bones in a pork shoulder OK
for my GSD dog to consume. Would she be able to eat the whole thing?

Jim and Sara,

Yep and Yep.. pork on and off the bone is a favorite meal here.. in fact, we
just did pork picnic roasts yesterday.

We cut one in 4 pieces and the other in 5 pieces. the first one we cut 3 BIG
hunks of meat off and fed the hunk with the bone still in it to Merlin (great
dane pup). And the other picnic roast bone portion went to Michiko (akita
pup). The rest of the dogs had big hunky boneless pork hunks, some with skin,
some without.

Tonight will be chicken leg quarters.. i've gone back to feeding every day
again for awhile, the dogs are hungrier now that things are cooling off. And
the akitas were getting skinnier..

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2c. Re: pork shoulder
Posted by: "woofwoofgrrl" cmc4lists1@gastrounit.com woofwoofgrrl
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:57 am ((PDT))

My Whippets and Border Collie LOVE pork shoulder - including the bone.
It takes them a while to get through it, but they thoroughly enjoy it!
I'm sure your GSD will have a blast!

Christine
rocketblasther wrote:
>
>
> Hello everyone,
> I'm curious about pork shoulders, are the bones in a pork shoulder OK
> for my GSD dog to consume. Would she be able to eat the whole thing?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim & Sara
>

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3a. Re: Puppy with the runs
Posted by: "Ido Ben" kaawazuri@yahoo.com kaawazuri
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:23 am ((PDT))

I have same type of problem, 3 german spitz pups, 4.5 weeks, as teets started the mum getting problem in feeding. We are adding "bitch milk" and want to start with raw feeding.
How to?

moemahood@aol.com wrote:
Why don't you do one meal of chicken necks?? and the other of just meat.

?Maureen

My 2-lb pom pup (15 weeks) is not capable with her puppy teeth to eat
enough bone to offset her meat meals and consequently has such very
loose stools that she cannot hold long enough to get outside. It is
hindering potty training and, well, just plain messy. I even have bone
leftover with chicken wings.

Any suggestions for firming up her stools until she masters the art of
the bone?

Thanks
Monica in IL

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4a. Re: Very odd poo
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:23 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "maurwyck" <Maurwyck@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone know what this is and should I be worried?

Sounds pretty normal for a newly switched dog. You will soon become
accustomed to what his poo will look like. It's looks will depend on
what it's made from. Sometimes it will be softer, sometimes harder,
sometimes more moisture, sometimes drier, etc. Since he will be
eating different foods, it will always look different depending on
what he ate last.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5. New: need advice
Posted by: "sltahoek9s" crazy4k9@aol.com sltahoek9s
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:50 am ((PDT))

Hi All,
I'm new to this group and new again to raw feeding. My 4 year old GSD was on raw for his
first two years. However, he seemed to have a food allergy of sorts (never diagnosed). For
those first 2 years he would vomit yellow bile 3 or more times a week and was pretty itchy.
He was on a Bravo Blend most of that time but not all. WIth frusteration I started switching
his diet, first eliminating beef, then chicken to no avail. Finally I took him completely off
poultry. Finding alternative foods was tough for me so I went to the best dry foods I could
find. He has remained somewhat itchy consistently, though the vomitting stopped when the
poultry stopped. Recently he's been on Timberwolf Organics dry fish formula and his itching
is at its least, but still not gone. The climate it really dry, but my lab isn't itchy like he is. So
i've been looking into doing raw again. He has elbow dysplasia and a partially torn ACL so I
want him to have the best diet to support his structural issues. I'm just not sure how to go
about it. I really dont want to give him any poultry again when he was so miserable. I did
offer him a mackeral today and he ate it with relish, so that was promising. How do I create
balance? I'm really hesitant so I'd appreciate any advice.
Thanks,
Tammy C

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6. no poop since Saturday
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:56 am ((PDT))

Ok, getting nervous here. Nothing's come out the back end since Saturday
morning (it's now Tuesday morning). No signs of distress, bloat, swelling,
pain, and appetite is good, drinking normal. Yesterday had one brief bout of
gagging-like sounds for a few seconds. Couldn't tell if he was coughing or
about to vomit but it passed quickly and nothing since.

Gums look good. Eyes bright. He ate mostly meat over the weekend...no
bones...because he was with a friend. Could be stress of being away? But that
never happened before since he's familiar with the person and the place and
has stayed there many times before.

Anyone have suggestions/ideas?

Carol

p.s. This is the guy who swallowed the avocado pit a few weeks ago. It's
been coming out bit by bit. Could THAT be the problem three weeks later?

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7.1. Re: Fish was Re: Shopping for raw and the benefits to owners
Posted by: "woofwoofgrrl" cmc4lists1@gastrounit.com woofwoofgrrl
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:56 am ((PDT))

Where do people find affordable fish? All the fish I've seen are over
$5/lb....

Thanks!
Christine

linoleum5017 wrote:
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> Loraine,
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> You have ME rolling on the floor, laughing! I have to say that my
> dog loves smelts -- in fact it's the only fish he will reliably
> eat. Don't think he's heard that he may have 'smelt' like 10 old
> ladies, ha!
>
> Keep trying different fishes, b/c they are that good for your
> dog.... though they don't have to be smelt.
>
> Enjoy!
> Lynne

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8. I just joined
Posted by: "barbarakaslow" barbarakaslow@yahoo.com barbarakaslow
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:56 am ((PDT))

Hi everybody,
I just joined, and I have two Bchon Firses 15, & 8 yr males
who eat the raw diet as well as yogurt, veggies and fruit.
I was wondering about the Missing Link, Wellness supplement
and the flax seed and Cod Liver oils. I have been using those
as well for years now and haven't had a problem, does anyone
else? I just read something online about how they are unnecesary.
Thanks a lot,
Barbara

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9a. Re: feeding raw and aggression
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:56 am ((PDT))

****I have yorkies and have been feeding raw for about 5 months. I have
one male and one female who have become aggressive to others of their
own sex.

Well you probably had a dominance issue before feeding raw and now that
they have something worth being dominante over they exhibit the
behavior.

Are they aggressive at meal time? If so I would make the aggressor eat
last, have him/her watch the others eat to establish that they are not
in control of the food. Also, up their obedience training -- you will
need to establish yourself as the leader so that they do not think they
can take over.

Maureen

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10a. Re: older GSD losing fur
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:56 am ((PDT))

I would get a full blood panel done including thyroid. This could be a
symptom of something serious.

Maureen

I've checked the archives and most of the losing fur questions are

regarding dogs new to raw feeding. I have two German Shepherds, one

is 9 and the other is 19 months. They have been eating raw foods for

well over a year now and are doing well. I've noticed that over the

past month my 9 year old male has some small patches of fur missing

onthe lower half of his back as well as dry skin in that area. It

also seems slightly sensitive when I brush him. Could this be diet

related? They eat a variety of chicken, beef, pork, fish and organ

meats with about only one egg a week. My "puppy" is doing great and

has the most beautiful coat. The only difference in diet is that the

puppy likes fruits and vegetables, so I share a little with her when

I eat. I can't imagine that would help her coat though.

I see that in other fur loss issues, more fat from pork and beef is

suggested. I've been feeding pretty much the same combination of

foods since they started the diet, and I'm wondering if maybe his fur

loss and dry skin could just be age related. Any suggestions?

Should I try to increase fat and eggs?

Thanks,

Rebecca

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