[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12165

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Intro to Fran and Nugget
From: Giselle

2a. Re: Puppy with the runs
From: Marilyn Neil

3a. Re: a question on beef
From: Denise Strother

4a. Re: Bad Doggy farts - what can you do?? (sorry to be graphic)
From: T Smith
4b. Re: Bad Doggy farts - what can you do?? (sorry to be graphic)
From: Yasuko herron

5a. Hello from a new member. (a bit long)
From: Crystal Amezdroz

6a. Re: Lamb flaps
From: doreenchui
6b. Re: Lamb flaps
From: cypressbunny
6c. Re: Lamb flaps
From: doreenchui

7a. feeding raw and aggression
From: Julie Howard
7b. Re: feeding raw and aggression
From: cypressbunny

8a. Dog doesnt seem to know how to eat raw!
From: cassiusclay84
8b. Re: Dog doesnt seem to know how to eat raw!
From: Yasuko herron
8c. Re: Dog doesnt seem to know how to eat raw!
From: Giselle

9a. older GSD losing fur
From: bek67
9b. Re: older GSD losing fur
From: Casey Post

10a. I've Taken the Plunge
From: totaly_his
10b. Re: I've Taken the Plunge
From: carnesbill

11.1. Re: Shopping for raw and the benefits to owners
From: linoleum5017

12a. Not Drinking!
From: briargarden07
12b. Re: Not Drinking!
From: Carol Dunster
12c. Re: Not Drinking!
From: Casey Post

13a. pork shoulder
From: rocketblasther

14a. Very odd poo
From: maurwyck
14b. Re: Very odd poo
From: Casey Post

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1a. Re: Intro to Fran and Nugget
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:07 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Fran!
Welcome to the raw side. ^_^

I know this is a high volume list, but reading daily posts and searching out
the archives for topics such as new to raw, or how do I start or allergies
or allergic can be very helpful.

Here's an archived post to get you going;

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*
And a few links;

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://mypetcarnivore.com/dogs_eating.htm
Keep in mind, tho', that allergies can be caused by the environment, such as
flea, mite and tick bites, pollens, molds and mildew and chemicals that we
use every day on our dogs, ourselves and in the house and yard. Even
carpeting and fabrics can give off gasses that can cause skin problems.

HTHs
TC and keep us posted on your progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/15/07, Fran < frankersey@verizon.net> wrote:
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> MODERATORS NOTE:SIGN YOUR MAILS!!
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> Hello everyone,
>
> I just registered and I wanted to introduce my pup and myself to the
> group.
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> I just got Nugget in August. He is a Shar pei, going on 10 months old
> now. He was a rescue and was near death from neglect when I brought
> him home. He was totally flea bitten, had yeasty ears, both eyes
> infected, one cherry eye, hugely swollen infected legs and very little
> hair because he had a bacterial skin infection.
>
> <snip>
> I know he has allergies and it would be great if that problem could be
> resolved via diet rather than a shot or a pill.
>
> Theres a lot to read here so I imagine I wont be posting much for awhile.
>
> Just wanted to say hello, its good to be here.
>
>

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2a. Re: Puppy with the runs
Posted by: "Marilyn Neil" ems1classic@btinternet.com marilyn9751
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:26 pm ((PDT))

I would suggest a meaty chicken carcass, allow her to eat as much as she wants and then dump the rest. This way she will be getting both meat and very light and easy to eat bones. For pups, I always remove the back bone from the chicken.

What else are you feeding your puppy?

Marilyn

www.lestorm.co.uk

moemahood@aol.com wrote:
Why don't you do one meal of chicken necks?? and the other of just meat.

?Maureen

My 2-lb pom pup (15 weeks) is not capable with her puppy teeth to eat
enough bone to offset her meat meals and consequently has such very
loose stools that she cannot hold long enough to get outside. It is
hindering potty training and, well, just plain messy. I even have bone
leftover with chicken wings.

Any suggestions for firming up her stools until she masters the art of
the bone?

Thanks
Monica in IL

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3a. Re: a question on beef
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kickrocks54" <kick_rocks54@...>
wrote:
hey everyone, im adam with my 4 mo pitbull "Rabbit"... I want to get
him going on beef, just kinda curious what kinds. i bought a few
racks of ribs for him, tho i dont think he can eat the bones in them
so it seems kind of pointless(aside from the fact he loves to chew
on them) to use that as a meal. To get to the point, does anyone out
there use beef for any of their dogs bone intake? If so, what type
of cuts. And also, would a chunk of ribs be an appropriate meal?

Hi Adam,
I feed beef ribs to my dogs - 2 Chihuahuas and a Pitbull. I feed
when they are cheap. They are mostly bone, but, if you feed them
attached to each other instead of cut into individual ribs, they are
great for keeping your dog busy for a long time. Stripping the meat
off of those bones is good for cleaning teeth. I take the bones away
after all of the meat is gone and they have chewed on the ends for a
while. The Pit can chew some off of the ends and the Chi's can get a
little marrow after the Pit gets the ends chewed on. Just be sure to
supervise so that if your dog is bitting too hard on them you can
take them away. Denise

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4a. Re: Bad Doggy farts - what can you do?? (sorry to be graphic)
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:41 pm ((PDT))

No No not back on the heads AHHHHHHH
Do put it in subject so I can delete! & NOT open!
Trina
*faint*

On 10/15/07, Denise Strother <denisestrother@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> If you think dog farts are graphic, check the archives. We discuss all
> kinds of graphic stuff here, like feeding goat heads, poop, etc. Denise
>

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4b. Re: Bad Doggy farts - what can you do?? (sorry to be graphic)
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:38 pm ((PDT))

>My girl Ishta Had the same thing, HORRIBLE, run you out of the room,

Hi.Mine too. sheusually did fart to go upstairs (while climbing stairs and toot) or when she put paws on my thigh to stand up and toot and one time,she did real real bad smelly stuff at vets office thatwas closed in!! vet was gagging...it was before diet change.

that was long time ago.

She rarely fart anymore after switching to raw.Occasionary she does,but not as bad.
she goes to bathroom to fart too(yea,very lady-like) so,it is not as bad when she comes dragging the smell to us. Still smell but not too bad.

I think that she tends to fart when she gets bit fattier cuts of meat,but I maybe wrong.

>I also had to tell my neighbors to stop giving her treats when she

>was outside.

I did too. When she hadtreats from neighbor,she woke me up in middle of the night and did explosive diarrhea and she was miserable..I think shedoes not fart with treats but gives run.Real messy ones.

I used to take her to neighbors lot when chat with them but I try not to thesdays because they tendto give her one big slice of salami or ham or something else I would not be too happy about,and it is usually too late to notice to stop.

yesterday,neighbor brought chocolate cake to us with bunch of huge semi soft sausage doggy treats..that made palette explosive diarrhea months ago...

Palette can see him standing outside and,waving the treats in front of palette acrossthe window...so,palette got so excited and wanted tocome to door but I politely reminded him about treats. I am happy to know that they like palette that much but,not good for palette..

At the time of diet switch,I cutted all commercial doggy treats all at once,so no commercial doggy treats for palette for 5 months now and I suspect that she cannot handle all those preservative stuff anymore.

Anyway, my feeling for fart is that,palette maybe farting more with pork or lamb. If you observe the dog farts,you may discover what give dog farts.

But it is very rare ocasion she farts after diet switch.

Tonight was Buffalo ribs with extra buffalo meat for dinner and she had to work on it about 50min straight after 2 walks today and she is so tired out.

This morning,we went about 30-40min long walk and,she went to deep nap with half eye open.It was freaky!! I tried to take a picture but the sound of camera to get it "on" woke her up so,I could not take a picture....

We went for evening walk too but, with these walk and tiring/tedious meal for dinner,she retired from tv room and sleeping around entrance now.

Even if she was tired from walks,she managed to eat all buffalo bone,and satisfied.

yassy

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5a. Hello from a new member. (a bit long)
Posted by: "Crystal Amezdroz" c_amezdroz@yahoo.com.au c_amezdroz
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:41 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone,

I joined a few days ago and haven't had a chance to introduce myself yet.

My name is Crystal and I live in Victoria, Australia.

I currently have two fur babies:

Rastus, 3 1/2yo, Lab X, black, rescued him from the pound 7 months ago.

Leeroy, 9mo, DMH (just a normal fluffy puss) tabby, saved from going to the pound, the people didn't want him any more.

I have always fed a fair amount of raw food but didn't realize their was a proper name for it! lol I'm so pleased that I have found other people who share my point of view.

I'm having no problems with getting Rastus to eat a pure raw diet. He's part lab so he just Hoovers anything that lands in his bowl. :D We are moving tomorrow so he has been having 'freezer treasures' for the last week or so. He particularly enjoyed the old beef mince I found hiding at the bottom. :D

Leeroy however is being much more difficult. (I have joined raw cat too) Till I got him he had only ever eaten 1 type of k*bble and 1 type of processed mush and only the one flavor! He will now take boneless chicken but couldn't work out what to do with the necks I bought. Had a tiny nibble and left it on the floor, I think I will smash the bones for him next time. Chicken livers and hearts (cubed) are OK. He won't eat the beef mince at all but did take tiny cubes of beef steak and I have worked up to casserole sized pieces now. He was most impressed with whole tiny fish I found but won't eat more than one of them a meal and that doesn't seem like much.

Think I will just have to persist and try lots of different things to see what he likes. He seems to like tiny cubes so I might have to give in a little with new things and once he's eating them make the pieces progressively bigger. It's working with the beef. :D

Thank you,
Crystal

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6a. Re: Lamb flaps
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:41 pm ((PDT))

It looks like ribs(long ones) with a little bit of meat on it.
Doreen
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "beaulah_2001us"
<beaulah_2001us@...> wrote:
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> What are lamb flaps? I have never heard of that before.
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> Sandy
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "doreenchui" <doreenchui@> wrote:
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> > Is lamb flaps good as RMB?
> > Doreen
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6b. Re: Lamb flaps
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:35 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "beaulah_2001us"
<beaulah_2001us@...> wrote:
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> What are lamb flaps? I have never heard of that before.

*** Lamb flaps are usually the tissue between the ribs and the loin,
that held in the abdominal organs when the lamb was alive. It may
include the last couple of ribs, and should include quite a bit of
thin muscular tissue. It is great as meaty bone, but may tend to be a
bit fatty, depending on the lamb. Start with small amounts if your
dogs are not used to it.

--Carrie

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6c. Re: Lamb flaps
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:47 pm ((PDT))

Thanks. That's of great help.
Doreen
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cypressbunny" <cypressbunny@...>
wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "beaulah_2001us"
> <beaulah_2001us@> wrote:
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> > What are lamb flaps? I have never heard of that before.
>
> *** Lamb flaps are usually the tissue between the ribs and the loin,
> that held in the abdominal organs when the lamb was alive. It may
> include the last couple of ribs, and should include quite a bit of
> thin muscular tissue. It is great as meaty bone, but may tend to be a
> bit fatty, depending on the lamb. Start with small amounts if your
> dogs are not used to it.
>
> --Carrie
>

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7a. feeding raw and aggression
Posted by: "Julie Howard" jonel@sbcglobal.net chyorks
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:36 pm ((PDT))

Has anyone experienced an increase in aggression since they have started to feed raw? I have yorkies and have been feeding raw for about 5 months. I have one male and one female who have become aggressive to others of their own sex. I like feeding raw, but don't want any of my dogs to be seriously hurt or killed either.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Julie

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7b. Re: feeding raw and aggression
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:44 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Julie Howard <jonel@...> wrote:
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> Has anyone experienced an increase in aggression since they have
started to feed raw?

*** Diet has nothing to do with aggression, except that higher value
food may be more worthy of defensive behavior, and species-appropriate
nutrition allows an animal to be as healthy as possible.

http://rawfed.com/colbythekiller.html

I suppose you could decrease food-related aggression by feeding sand
or cardboard (or Doom Nuggets), but I don't find those tradeoffs
worthwhile. Also, if you feed subpar food, the dogs might be too tired
or sick to be aggressive.

--Carrie

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8a. Dog doesnt seem to know how to eat raw!
Posted by: "cassiusclay84" cassiusclay84@yahoo.com cassiusclay84
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:36 pm ((PDT))

I started my 50lb all american mutt on raw this past Friday. 2% of 50
lbs = 1lb/day, right? I'm a complete newbie, so maybe his reaction
that didnt make sense to me will make sense to y'all.
Friday night (after a 24 hour fast) I gave him a chicken quarter that
weighed probably 1.25 lbs (1/4 of a 5 lb chicken). He LICKED it. And
licked it, and licked it. I cut it up a bit, leaving the pieces
attached, to try to get him to use his teeth. After about an hour of
him licking and me trying everything I could think of to get him to
bite it, I gave up. He had eaten maybe 1/2 lb of meat, no bone.
I gave him the rest of it for breakfast the next day (Saturday) He did
a little better, but mostly stood over it and licked it. We tried
again in the evening and he FINALLY finished that chicken quarter
after 3 tries over 2 days.
Sunday we gave him another quarter, and with us coaching (holding it
still so he could rip at it) it took him over an hour to eat the whole
thing. He seemed intersted the whole time, only taking 30 seconds
breaks to walk around and then come back.
Tonight (Monday) I gave him another quarter and after about 20 minutes
he had eaten the thigh. He didnt seem interested in the leg, so I put
it away. I should mention that while eating he stands over his food,
and doesnt use his paws to hold it still.
Questions: Is 1.25 lbs too much for him at once? Should I give him
smaller portions? I really dont want to feed him twice a day,
especially if he's going to take SO LONG to eat! I'd rather just
throw down a chunk of chicken while I cook dinner, as it sounds like
y'all do. Is he just a newb at eating something that requires actual
chewing and ripping? He seems to enjoy the chicken, but also seems
frustrated that he cant eat it. I dont think his teeth or gums hurt,
because he loves to chew on rawhide bones and stuffed animals.
Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
-ali

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8b. Re: Dog doesnt seem to know how to eat raw!
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:10 pm ((PDT))

>I should mention that while eating he stands over his food,and doesnt use his paws to hold >it still.

Hi,Ali. Mine did same;no using paws when I started rawfeeding,isn't he using side of the molar teeth to eat mostly and standing??? That is how she was when beginning.

As time passes by and the meal gets more complicated,she started using paws without any problems. She eat holding bone or meat to chew off/rip off the meat with paw soaking wet sometimes:-P

I think it is matter of time and as long as you help yourdog,maybe your dog would not learn how to tackle the meat by himself and maybe expect you to hold it and if not,he may wait on you to do that.

My dog did not have problem on chicken but when I give her something unfamiliar shape and size after she did good on all protins I like her to eat,I started feeding one big meal a month and first time of hugesize,heavy weight meal,she did same as yourdog did.licked at meat,staring at me,licked at meat,staring at me,but I ignored and she ate fine.

Only when I gave her cow hooves;2.5lb, as recreational after breakfast, she was not sure what it is and how to tackle it. She herd it first thinking it is something sheshould herd and try to nip the hooves with some stalk but since no response from it,she just lay down staring.

Only on thatoccasion,I got scissorsready and made slit around fur around hooves and clip off tiny bit so thatshecan taste it.

She tasted it andinterested andstarted chewing on the hooves,hide etc with some wabbly walks to carry (since it was heavy for her) but she tackled fine.

So,I think once dog knows it is a food,it may takes time but dog would figure out and no need to coaxing the dog orcatering the dog too much.Just give him time and let him figure out on his own.

Figuring out how to tackle could be one of mental excircise I think.

>Questions: Is 1.25 lbs too much for him at once?

If your dog had no upset tummy with that amount,probably ok but I prefer to go slow and steady. Sometimes,too much food cause run.So, watch your dog how he does and go from there. 2% 3% feeding is not set in stone rule so,you can change accordingly.

>Should I give him smaller portions?

Yourdog is doing ok without any tummy upset with that amount?

>if he's going to take SO LONG to eat!

Some meal takes time to eat. my dog spent 2 hours on cow hooves but ate 6oz(less than half pound,but this is recreational ),she spent 90 minutes on Beef neck .. today,buffalo rib 50 minutes... Poultry meal is shorter length timefor her to eat but those above meals take time.I just let her eat it to her heart content though.some people take bone away after dog eats meatoff from the bone,you can do that too.

>I'd rather just throw down a chunk of chicken while I cook dinner, as it sounds like
>y'all do.

I feed 2 times a day now trying to make one of the meal bigger than the other,but I feed her after human finish eating dinner. While I cook,sheis either staring at me thinking waht I am cooking or laying on cool bed and napping.

good luck

yassy

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8c. Re: Dog doesnt seem to know how to eat raw!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:41 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Ali!
This is pretty common problem with dogs that are new to raw. Most
dogs take to raw feeding NPs. Some dogs are unsure how to eat real meat and
bones after a lifetime of eating the equivalent of cereal and Micky Dee's.
Some dogs too, have been chastised for most of their lives for scarfing
'people food' and scrounging in the trash - they may be apprehensive that
they could be punished if they attempt to eat real meat at first.

Check out the links to the suggestions to get your dog more comfortable with
eating raw in these archived posts;*
*

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/130758*

*Message #130758*

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/134336*

*Message #134336*
3% of 50 lbs = 1 lb 8 oz.
2% of 50 lbs = 1 lb
Right!
Once you've fed him raw for a few weeks, you can see if the portion amounts
needs tweaking up or down .

You can offer his daily portion in 2 meals to make the portion less daunting
and easier on his digestive system at first.

You'll need to be feeding raw for several months at least, and begin
offering portions bigger than his head in order for him to feel a real need
to use his paws to manage his food.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/15/07, cassiusclay84 <cassiusclay84@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I started my 50lb All American mutt on raw this past Friday. 2% of 50
> lbs = 1lb/day, right? I'm a complete newbie, so maybe his reaction
> that didn't make sense to me will make sense to y'all.
> Friday night (after a 24 hour fast) I gave him a chicken quarter that
> weighed probably 1.25 lbs (1/4 of a 5 lb chicken). He LICKED it. And
> licked it, and licked it.
>

<snip>
> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
> -ali
>
>

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9a. older GSD losing fur
Posted by: "bek67" bek67@yahoo.com bek67
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:39 pm ((PDT))

I've checked the archives and most of the losing fur questions are
regarding dogs new to raw feeding. I have two German Shepherds, one
is 9 and the other is 19 months. They have been eating raw foods for
well over a year now and are doing well. I've noticed that over the
past month my 9 year old male has some small patches of fur missing
onthe lower half of his back as well as dry skin in that area. It
also seems slightly sensitive when I brush him. Could this be diet
related? They eat a variety of chicken, beef, pork, fish and organ
meats with about only one egg a week. My "puppy" is doing great and
has the most beautiful coat. The only difference in diet is that the
puppy likes fruits and vegetables, so I share a little with her when
I eat. I can't imagine that would help her coat though.

I see that in other fur loss issues, more fat from pork and beef is
suggested. I've been feeding pretty much the same combination of
foods since they started the diet, and I'm wondering if maybe his fur
loss and dry skin could just be age related. Any suggestions?
Should I try to increase fat and eggs?

Thanks,

Rebecca

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9b. Re: older GSD losing fur
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:11 pm ((PDT))

Rebecca,

Nine year old GSD, fur loss, dry skin - all make me think that your very
next step should be a test for hypothyroidism. Get the full six panel
(don't let the vet talk you into less) and get it done soon. If this is
hypothyroidism, the sooner you catch it, the better.

Casey

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10a. I've Taken the Plunge
Posted by: "totaly_his" totaly_his@yahoo.com totaly_his
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:44 pm ((PDT))

I am so excited and so NEW at this. But after researching and reading
posts in this forum I know that I am doing what's best for my pet.
Angel's (Jack Russell/Beagle mix) very 1st raw meal was today and it
went well. She took to it without a hitch. I have a few questions that
I would appreciate some help with.
1) Is it alright to leave the fat/skin on the meat?
2) I am not trying to be so "perfect" with the amount that I am to feed
my dog but I need to know approximately how much I should feed. My dog
weighs 32# but is alittle overweight. I know that the general rule of
thumb is 2-3% of their ideal weight. Would giving her 2-3 chicken
thighs a day be enough/too much for her? Could you please give me some
more sample meals for her weight?
3)She is 6 years old and unfortunately has been on kibble all her life.
She has tarter on her teeth and alittle bad breath. Will this new raw
feeding diet help with that? Should I consider AT ALL possibly getting
her teeth cleaned at the vet? Thanks, Jackie

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10b. Re: I've Taken the Plunge
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:18 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "totaly_his" <totaly_his@...>
wrote:

> 1) Is it alright to leave the fat/skin on the meat?

Not only is it alright, its preferable as long as there is no
digestive upset.

> 2) I know that the general rule of
> thumb is 2-3% of their ideal weight. Would giving her 2-3 chicken
> thighs a day be enough/too much for her?

Can't help you with this one. I never weigh my dog's food and they
are much larger than your dog.

> 3)She has tarter on her teeth and alittle bad breath. Will
> this new raw feeding diet help with that?

Absolutely yes.

> Should I consider AT ALL possibly getting
> her teeth cleaned at the vet?

Wait a few months. I think you will find you won't need to get them
cleaned.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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11.1. Re: Shopping for raw and the benefits to owners
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:45 pm ((PDT))

Loraine,

You have ME rolling on the floor, laughing! I have to say that my
dog loves smelts -- in fact it's the only fish he will reliably
eat. Don't think he's heard that he may have 'smelt' like 10 old
ladies, ha!

Keep trying different fishes, b/c they are that good for your
dog.... though they don't have to be smelt.

Enjoy!
Lynne

(Are you in Rothburg, as in Germany?)

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> Yesterday I managed to hit a bunch of sales and meat discounts for
my dogs. I purchased 5 whole beef roasts, 1 pork shoulders, 5 Pork
Necks, 1 whole pork leg and some smelt.

So after about 20 min of playing with the little fish, they started
to roll on them.

I just know the owners are going to be wondering why my pups smell
like 10 old ladies.
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12a. Not Drinking!
Posted by: "briargarden07" briargarden07@yahoo.com briargarden07
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:47 pm ((PDT))

My almost 7yr old Shepherd mix has not drank any water in 2+ days,
and I am VERY worried.
Here is some background on this dog: He's been on raw since he was 11
months old, then about two years ago, when I moved, he remained with
my mother. He was on kibble with her, and for the past 7-8 months
she's fed him homecooked. Mom's arthritis is getting bad, so we
decided since she can't really keep up with him anymore that he'd
come to live with me. That was about two weeks ago.
The first few days after I switched him back to raw, I noticed his
urine was foul smelling and copius. Seemed to be normal color, except
maybe a little dark. That lasted for about a week, and now that his
coat is coming back in and he's obviously feeling much better, has so
much more energy, he has been going 2-3 days at a time without taking
a drop of water :( I remember when he was younger & on raw, he was
never a big drinker, but he did drink, once a day. He usually held
out all day, until he was very thirsty, and drank 3/4 to the whole
quart of water he was given. If it makes a difference, we are pretty
sure his aversion to water began when his first owner tried to poison
him with Windex in his water bowl when he was about 5-6 months old -
he wasn't vicious enough for him @@ We got him shortly thereafter
(about 5 min later, lol), because it was eitehr surrender the dog to
us or we'll call AC on you. I actually saw the SOB pour the Windex in
the dog's bowl and force him to drink it. Not sure how much he drank,
but his poop the next day came out blue.
I continue to think about that incident and wonder if that could
possibly have anything to do with Thunder's refusal to drink water
all these years later? He's NEVER gone this long. He is urinating
MUCH smaller puddles than he ever has, but color is normal and foul
odor is gone. I know he was drinking daily for my mother, and she's
been staying with me so I don't think this behavior has to do with
him missing her ...
Anyone have any idea what the problem could be, why this dog won't
drink water? I know their thirst drive is much less on raw, but this
is ridiculous.
Thanks so much for any help.

Noelle M.

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12b. Re: Not Drinking!
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:00 pm ((PDT))

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:27:57 -0000, you wrote:

>Anyone have any idea what the problem could be, why this dog won't
>drink water? I know their thirst drive is much less on raw, but this
>is ridiculous.

Did you change the water bowl when he moved in with you? Perhaps he
feels safe drinking from one specific bowl. Is the water different?
Perhaps he would drink if you gave him chicken broth (a bit of flavor
to encourage him to try it and the salt will make him thirstier).

~ Carol
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12c. Re: Not Drinking!
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:18 pm ((PDT))

Noelle,

A few thoughts...

It may simply be that his moisture needs are being met by the raw food and
he'll drink when he needs to.

You moved - maybe the water where you are now smells weird to him? Try a
gallon of bottled and see if that makes a difference.

Does he wear a collar with tags? If so, they may hit the side of the bowl
and the sound may be freaking him out (which makes me think hypothyroidism
because of the sound sensitivity, so if this is the case and he has ANY
other possible symptoms, get him tested). Remove the tags and see if that
helps him.

Casey

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13a. pork shoulder
Posted by: "rocketblasther" jforbes05@sbcglobal.net rocketblasther
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:20 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone,
I'm curious about pork shoulders, are the bones in a pork shoulder OK
for my GSD dog to consume. Would she be able to eat the whole thing?

Thanks,
Jim & Sara

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14a. Very odd poo
Posted by: "maurwyck" Maurwyck@hotmail.com maurwyck
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:22 pm ((PDT))

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My pup has been on raw for about a week now and he has had a very wide
array of feces. I'm worried now though because it's very mucusy (if
that's a word). It has also varied in colors from a green mucus to now
a yellow color. Does anyone know what this is and should I be worried?

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14b. Re: Very odd poo
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:29 pm ((PDT))

> My pup has been on raw for about a week now and he has had a very wide
> array of feces. I'm worried now though because it's very mucusy (if
> that's a word). It has also varied in colors from a green mucus to now
> a yellow color. Does anyone know what this is and should I be worried?

Can you please detail for us exactly what you're feeding him?

Casey

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