[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12155

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Walmart Chicken Quaters was - Gathering Info.
From: mousegirls
1b. Re: Walmart Chicken Quaters was - Gathering Info.
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: girlndocs

3a. Re: HELP...worried my shiz tzu issnt eating enough
From: Carol Dunster

4.1. Dog won't eat raw
From: alicia.fagan
4.2. Re: Dog won't eat raw
From: Sandee Lee
4.3. Re: Dog won't eat raw
From: Andrea
4.4. Re: Dog won't eat raw
From: Howard Salob
4.5. Re: Dog won't eat raw
From: alicia.fagan
4.6. Re: Dog won't eat raw
From: alicia.fagan
4.7. Re: Dog won't eat raw
From: Gail Edmond
4.8. Re: Dog won't eat raw
From: alicia.fagan
4.9. Re: Dog won't eat raw
From: Howard Salob
4.10. ADMIN: Dog won't eat raw - making dog treats
From: pretty24355

5a. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
From: pretty24355

6.1. Re: New Puppy
From: Sandee Lee

7a. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
From: Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)
7b. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

8a. Re: switching kitten to raw
From: Gail Edmond

9. Watery stools -but not diarrhoea HELP
From: mrskheath

10a. Re: PLS HELP ME FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TO FEED AS A MEAL?
From: Tina Berry

11a. Re: How long will this last?
From: Yasuko herron

12a. Tikahni
From: Jennifer
12b. Re: Tikahni
From: Carol Dunster

13. Is it ok to give puppy 7mos half chicken?
From: angela182548

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1a. Re: Walmart Chicken Quaters was - Gathering Info.
Posted by: "mousegirls" mousegirls@gmail.com ladysown
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:08 pm ((PDT))

This is one of those things that it might make a difference where the
wal-mart is located.

haven't noticed enhanced chicken being an issue in wal-mart here in
southern Ontario.

annette

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1b. Re: Walmart Chicken Quaters was - Gathering Info.
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:00 pm ((PDT))

I buy my quarters at Walmart. Sometimes they are enhanced and
sometimes they aren't. If they are enhanced it MUST say so on the
package. The two different kinds come from two different
distributors.

I don't really care. There is no real nutritional difference between
the two.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:08 pm ((PDT))

Hi Tracy,

> I was only asking because it stated for a sick dog (mange) that a dog
> needs to fast in order to get all the toxins out of the system.

I don't know about this "toxins" business. I don't know of any actual
evidence that bodies produce "toxins" which must be removed by any way
other than the body's already (generally excellent) mechanisms for
doing it.

In any case, a lack of calories puts an additional toll on a body when
it's dealing with illness -- food is fuel -- so my vote would be
instead of fasting to feed whatever's most nutritious, digestible and
appropriate for that particular body.

Kristin

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3a. Re: HELP...worried my shiz tzu issnt eating enough
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:08 pm ((PDT))

If your new mother isn't eating enough calories to support herself and
her babies, I would consider upping the fat content of her food.
Perhaps you could give her more chicken skin and fat. Will she eat
more if you break it into more meals? How often are you feeding her?

If she feels well and the pups are full, plump and satisfied, then she
is likely fine and just needs to eat more. Now, her appetite should
pick up as she recovers from being pregnant, it's not uncommon for
them to be thin when they whelp (no matter what they eat) as they just
don't have a lot of room in their tummies with a litter in there too!
I had that problem with my Silkys.

A nursing mother probably does need more than twice the food as she
did before, esp. as the pups start to grow more. How many puppies does
she have?

Anyway, that's rather stream of consciousness questions and ideas...
:)

~ Carol
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4.1. Dog won't eat raw
Posted by: "alicia.fagan" alicia.fagan@yahoo.com alicia.fagan
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:01 pm ((PDT))

Looking for advice...my nearly 3-yr-old Lhasa apso is resisting raw
food. I've tried raw chicken livers. I've tried store-bought raw mix
of chicken and veggies; that alone, then tried dressing it w/ honey.
She went on hunger strike. Yesterday, i tried the drumstick from a
cornish hen, placed it on a towel on the kitchen floor. She spent an
hour moving it to different locations around the house (me following
w/ disinfectant), then took it outside, let it sit on the deck for 20
mins, then finally buried it somewhere. Did not go back to it. Is an
extremely finicky eater anyway, but seems to only want cooked meat.
Any suggestions are welcome!

Alicia

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4.2. Re: Dog won't eat raw
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:21 pm ((PDT))

Alicia,

Get a nice meaty bone-in chicken breast, warm it up, "ribbon" it so there
are lots of nice starting places for her...you can even sprinkle Parmesan
cheese down into the cuts in the meat. Then put it and her on her towel.
If she tries to move it, put her back on the towel. It won't take long for
her to realize that is her place to eat. Don't let her carry it all over
the house.
If she doesn't eat, pick the food up, put it in the refrigerator and offer
it again at the next meal. Don't mess with it, don't fuss or worry.

And stop with those disinfectants! LOL Seriously, they are far more
harmful to not only your dog but yourself and family than any potential
bacteria could ever be. If you need to do any cleanup, soap and water or a
vinegar/water combination will do the job quite effectively.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "alicia.fagan" <alicia.fagan@yahoo.com>

Looking for advice...my nearly 3-yr-old Lhasa apso is resisting raw
food. I've tried raw chicken livers. I've tried store-bought raw mix
of chicken and veggies; that alone, then tried dressing it w/ honey.
She went on hunger strike. Yesterday, i tried the drumstick from a
cornish hen, placed it on a towel on the kitchen floor. She spent an
hour moving it to different locations around the house (me following
w/ disinfectant), then took it outside, let it sit on the deck for 20
mins, then finally buried it somewhere. Did not go back to it. Is an
extremely finicky eater anyway, but seems to only want cooked meat.

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4.3. Re: Dog won't eat raw
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:30 pm ((PDT))

Liver is often resisted by enthusiastic raw eaters, so I'm not
surprised she turned her nose up at it. The game hen is a much better
starting point I think. Your girl may just not get that the game hen
is food just yet. Try cutting into the meat, making ribbons that she
can get a hold of. You could also sprinkle something like parmesan
cheese into the crevices so she gets the idea to lick it and go from
there.

Don't let her trapse around the house with her food, if she takes it
off of her towel just put it back and tell her you want her to keep her
food in that spot. Don't give her any treats or other food, and don't
try all manner of bribes in the same meal.

So, to recap, this would be my plan of attack:
Ribbon the meat on a game hen breast (chicken would also be fine) and
warm the food in a bowl of hot water before serving. Give her 20
minutes to start eating (keeping her food on the towel) and if she
doesn't start eating (or at least licking) in the 20 minutes pick it up
and put it back in the fridge for next meal time.
Second feeding, warm the chicken in hot water and then sprinkle some
parmesan cheese on it and rub it in. Give her 20 minutes and pick up
if not eaten.
Third feeding, sear both sides of the chicken in a really hot pan and
serve to dog (after it cools a bit). Give her 20 minutes.

Most dogs just need a little push to know the meat is food. Don't fuss
over her or try to entice her to eat, just calmly wait and read a book
or something. She'll get the idea.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alicia.fagan" <alicia.fagan@...>
wrote:
>
> Looking for advice...my nearly 3-yr-old Lhasa apso is resisting raw
> food. I've tried raw chicken livers. I've tried store-bought raw mix
> of chicken and veggies; that alone, then tried dressing it w/ honey.
> She went on hunger strike. Yesterday, i tried the drumstick from a
> cornish hen, placed it on a towel on the kitchen floor. She spent an
> hour moving it to different locations around the house

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4.4. Re: Dog won't eat raw
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:31 pm ((PDT))

Dear Alicia,

Try the green tripe. Have not met a dog who would not eat it.

Sincerely,

Howard

"alicia.fagan" <alicia.fagan@yahoo.com> wrote:
Looking for advice...my nearly 3-yr-old Lhasa apso is resisting raw
food. I've tried raw chicken livers. I've tried store-bought raw mix
of chicken and veggies; that alone, then tried dressing it w/ honey.
She went on hunger strike. Yesterday, i tried the drumstick from a
cornish hen, placed it on a towel on the kitchen floor. She spent an
hour moving it to different locations around the house (me following
w/ disinfectant), then took it outside, let it sit on the deck for 20
mins, then finally buried it somewhere. Did not go back to it. Is an
extremely finicky eater anyway, but seems to only want cooked meat.
Any suggestions are welcome!

Alicia

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4.5. Re: Dog won't eat raw
Posted by: "alicia.fagan" alicia.fagan@yahoo.com alicia.fagan
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:31 pm ((PDT))

Moderator's Note:

Trim your posts!!!

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Thanks so much, Andrea! Will give it a try.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
>
> Liver is often resisted by enthusiastic raw eaters, so I'm not
> surprised she turned her nose up at it. The game hen is a much better
> starting point I think. Your girl may just not get that the game hen
> is food just yet. Try cutting into the meat, making ribbons that she
> can get a hold of. You could also sprinkle something like parmesan
> cheese into the crevices so she gets the idea to lick it and go from
> there.
>
> Don't let her trapse around the house with her food, if she takes it
> off of her towel just put it back and tell her you want her to keep her
> food in that spot. Don't give her any treats or other food, and don't
> try all manner of bribes in the same meal.
>
> So, to recap, this would be my plan of attack:
> Ribbon the meat on a game hen breast (chicken would also be fine) and
> warm the food in a bowl of hot water before serving. Give her 20
> minutes to start eating (keeping her food on the towel) and if she
> doesn't start eating (or at least licking) in the 20 minutes pick it up
> and put it back in the fridge for next meal time.
> Second feeding, warm the chicken in hot water and then sprinkle some
> parmesan cheese on it and rub it in. Give her 20 minutes and pick up
> if not eaten.
> Third feeding, sear both sides of the chicken in a really hot pan and
> serve to dog (after it cools a bit). Give her 20 minutes.
>
> Most dogs just need a little push to know the meat is food. Don't fuss
> over her or try to entice her to eat, just calmly wait and read a book
> or something. She'll get the idea.
>
> Andrea
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alicia.fagan" <alicia.fagan@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Looking for advice...my nearly 3-yr-old Lhasa apso is resisting raw
> > food. I've tried raw chicken livers. I've tried store-bought raw mix
> > of chicken and veggies; that alone, then tried dressing it w/ honey.
> > She went on hunger strike. Yesterday, i tried the drumstick from a
> > cornish hen, placed it on a towel on the kitchen floor. She spent an
> > hour moving it to different locations around the house
>

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4.6. Re: Dog won't eat raw
Posted by: "alicia.fagan" alicia.fagan@yahoo.com alicia.fagan
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:31 pm ((PDT))

Moderator's Note:

Trim your posts!!

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Hi Howard,
thanks for the suggestion! Where does one find that?

A

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...>
wrote:
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> Dear Alicia,
>
> Try the green tripe. Have not met a dog who would not eat it.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Howard
>
>
>
> "alicia.fagan" <alicia.fagan@...> wrote:
> Looking for advice...my nearly 3-yr-old Lhasa apso is
resisting raw
> food. I've tried raw chicken livers. I've tried store-bought raw mix
> of chicken and veggies; that alone, then tried dressing it w/ honey.
> She went on hunger strike. Yesterday, i tried the drumstick from a
> cornish hen, placed it on a towel on the kitchen floor. She spent an
> hour moving it to different locations around the house (me following
> w/ disinfectant), then took it outside, let it sit on the deck for 20
> mins, then finally buried it somewhere. Did not go back to it. Is an
> extremely finicky eater anyway, but seems to only want cooked meat.
> Any suggestions are welcome!
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
>
>
>
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4.7. Re: Dog won't eat raw
Posted by: "Gail Edmond" windybond1@yahoo.co.uk windybond1
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:32 pm ((PDT))

Moderator's Note:

Trim your posts!!

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I have just bought soom dried green tripe to use as chew treats the dogs really love them does anyone know how to do this as they are quite expensive nearly £5.00 a bag. Thought if i knew how i would make some of my own.

Gail

----- Original Message ----
From: Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 12 October, 2007 9:27:07 PM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Dog won't eat raw

Dear Alicia,

Try the green tripe. Have not met a dog who would not eat it.

Sincerely,

Howard

"alicia.fagan" <alicia.fagan@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Looking for advice...my nearly 3-yr-old Lhasa apso is resisting raw
food. I've tried raw chicken livers. I've tried store-bought raw mix
of chicken and veggies; that alone, then tried dressing it w/ honey.
She went on hunger strike. Yesterday, i tried the drumstick from a
cornish hen, placed it on a towel on the kitchen floor. She spent an
hour moving it to different locations around the house (me following
w/ disinfectant) , then took it outside, let it sit on the deck for 20
mins, then finally buried it somewhere. Did not go back to it. Is an
extremely finicky eater anyway, but seems to only want cooked meat.
Any suggestions are welcome!

Alicia

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4.8. Re: Dog won't eat raw
Posted by: "alicia.fagan" alicia.fagan@yahoo.com alicia.fagan
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:32 pm ((PDT))

Moderator's Note:

Trim your posts!!

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Thanks, Sandee, will try your suggestion. Actually, it was white
vinegar i was using :) I agree w/ you about commercial stuff.
-A.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> Alicia,
>
> Get a nice meaty bone-in chicken breast, warm it up, "ribbon" it so
there
> are lots of nice starting places for her...you can even sprinkle
Parmesan
> cheese down into the cuts in the meat. Then put it and her on her
towel.
> If she tries to move it, put her back on the towel. It won't take
long for
> her to realize that is her place to eat. Don't let her carry it all
over
> the house.
> If she doesn't eat, pick the food up, put it in the refrigerator and
offer
> it again at the next meal. Don't mess with it, don't fuss or worry.
>
> And stop with those disinfectants! LOL Seriously, they are far more
> harmful to not only your dog but yourself and family than any potential
> bacteria could ever be. If you need to do any cleanup, soap and
water or a
> vinegar/water combination will do the job quite effectively.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "alicia.fagan" <alicia.fagan@...>
>
>
> Looking for advice...my nearly 3-yr-old Lhasa apso is resisting raw
> food. I've tried raw chicken livers. I've tried store-bought raw mix
> of chicken and veggies; that alone, then tried dressing it w/ honey.
> She went on hunger strike. Yesterday, i tried the drumstick from a
> cornish hen, placed it on a towel on the kitchen floor. She spent an
> hour moving it to different locations around the house (me following
> w/ disinfectant), then took it outside, let it sit on the deck for 20
> mins, then finally buried it somewhere. Did not go back to it. Is an
> extremely finicky eater anyway, but seems to only want cooked meat.
>

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4.9. Re: Dog won't eat raw
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:09 pm ((PDT))

"alicia.fagan" <alicia.fagan@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Alicia,

There is a place by me and someone suggested it or I would not of found it. But you can try the net and look that way. There is a site www.greentripe.com that sells it but I suggest finding stuff locally. All it is is unbleached cow stomach.

Sincerely,

Howard

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4.10. ADMIN: Dog won't eat raw - making dog treats
Posted by: "pretty24355" blackdogshaven@hcinet.net pretty24355
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:21 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,

I accidentally let through moderation the post asking how to make dog
treats out of dried green tripe. This discussion is inappropriate for
the Raw Feeding list and must go private or to Raw Chat.

Thank you.
Karen
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5a. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
Posted by: "pretty24355" blackdogshaven@hcinet.net pretty24355
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:08 pm ((PDT))

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6.1. Re: New Puppy
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:26 pm ((PDT))

Hi Jennifer,

Just to add to the great advice you've gotten so far...

I'd go over to the rawcat list for help in feeding your cat. I'm sure that
all of those supplements are not necessary and some could be harmful....for
instance kelp given to dogs can contribute to hypothyroidism...not certain
how it affects cats, but it's something to look into!!

You can feed your puppy on a blanket, towel, shower curtain,
tablecloth...anything you can quickly wipe off or throw in the wash every
once in a while. No need to get to crazy about mopping or disinfecting.
Just a spray of vinegar will clean up and disinfect quite nicely.

Oh, and here are a few puppy feeding messages from past discussions....
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135757
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135847
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/137170

Too bad that "breeder" is moving the puppies out so quickly, vaccinating too
young and worming them....talk about overwhelming that little immature
immune system. Yikes!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Jennifer" <kali_moonwolf@yahoo.com>

Ill be getting him at 7 weeks, and unfortunately
he'll have been fed on kibble most recently, and spent the last week
being wormed. What is the best way for switching a puppy to raw, and
are there any concerns in that area? I feed my 12-yr old cat that I
adopted last year, raw food and his health as greatly improved,
however, I give him several supplements, including taurine, salmon
oil, kelp, vit. e and b-complex. I can't get him to eat bones... he
eats AROUND the bone... any suggestions there? And finally, where do
you all feed your dogs? I live in a large 3-bedroom apt... Im trying
to save $ to take all the carpet out and roll out some wood-looking
linoleum, but it hasn't happenned yet.... do you all just mop the
kitchen every day? I remember juices stain concrete! ;o)

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7a. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
Posted by: "Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com carolyn.garnaas
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:08 pm ((PDT))

My dog would not go near liver, no way, nohow. And this was after four
year of searing it, using parmesan, using a bit of garlic powder, hiding
it in other meats, and trying all our other neat little tricks to get a
reluctant dog to eat.

Then I finally got my hands on some green tripe, and that was all it
took! I now puree the liver and mix it into the green tripe (not to a
soupy consistency - just one chicken liver mixed into a whole meal's
worth of tripe).

She scarfs it down and begs for more! And this is a dog who will still
on occasion babysit her raw dinner for up to three days running, before
tucking into it. Green tripe for everyone!!

Carolyn J. Garnaas and Molly Toy Poodle, Who Is Probably Dreaming of
Green Tripe Right This Minute.

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7b. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:38 pm ((PDT))

In that vein, one of my cats can be spurred to eat something she is whining
about not being able to cope with if I simply reach for it like I'm going to
take it away. :)

Lynda

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Cats are different, and I'll puree it, mix it with canned tuna, sear
it, freeze it, stand on my head, whatever it takes to get the cat to
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8a. Re: switching kitten to raw
Posted by: "Gail Edmond" windybond1@yahoo.co.uk windybond1
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:30 pm ((PDT))

I am not a vegeterian but eh what is the difference surely a rabbit is a rabbit.

Gail

----- Original Message ----
From: Kristen <kristengilkinsonrmt@rogers.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 11 October, 2007 11:34:54 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: switching kitten to raw

Thanks Lynda

I think I'll start with chicken and duck hearts with some neck after
reading your advice. I was wondering where you get frog legs?

I'm trying to find a rabbit breeder in the Toronto area (meat - not pet
rabbits) but I'm having trouble and I just can't spend $18 on a little
thing at the grocer ;-)

All the best,
Kristen

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9. Watery stools -but not diarrhoea HELP
Posted by: "mrskheath" mrskheath@yahoo.co.uk mrskheath
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:32 pm ((PDT))

Hi, I have been feeding raw meat and bones for about 3 months. My male
sibe husky has 1lb of meat (usually a quarter of chicken or turkey
leg) whilst my girl (6 months) is on the same. Until recently she was
on 1lb -half a chicken quarter or drumstick- divided between 2 meals,
but recently I shifted her on to having the same as him - 1 meal.
Yesterday she passed stools - I noticed that they were small stools -
3 or 4 'pieces' about 2 - 3 cm each, but were in a watery gloopy
substance. Is this down to the switch to just 1 meal?

Would really appreciate some help and/or suggestions. Thanks

Karlene

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10a. Re: PLS HELP ME FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TO FEED AS A MEAL?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:33 pm ((PDT))

"Tonight I went to the butcher and got turkey necks, gizzards, and cows feet
...are cows feet ok? they are pretty cool lookin'... I was ready to get
turkey legs and whole chickens....."

I feed whole chickens all the time; well, before hunting season, now were on
100% venison, elk and antelope. My bunch weigh between 85-97lbs and get
approx. 2lbs per day - when I am running them a mile in the am and a mile in
the pm. Otherwise it's 1.5 lbs per day.

I'll splita 4lb chicken down the middle and everyone gets a half a chicken.
It doesn't have to be exact but as mentioned, 2-3% of adult weight daily,
80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organs.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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11a. Re: How long will this last?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:33 pm ((PDT))

> it's all smooth sailing, with the occasional retest - just like with kids.

Thesedays,it is just like that to my palette too. Now and then,she tries to refuse food. So far, pheasant and pork liver.

She really devored when she wason first round but second round, she is not liking it much for some reason.

For pheasant(whole bird cut-up),I tend to cheer when she touch the meat with mouth or chew and encourage her to eat and she eats ok but not like devoring on her first experienced day...

For pork liver, I found out that if it were fed with Egg,she eats it without any fuss andso excited.

I am wondering since she knows I stashed goat or buffalo or beef etc things she like a lot,she try to test my patience now and then...

These couple of weeks,I go fo rwalk wit her little longer and little early in the morning like 7am,and go again at evening and we do two walks aday. I lowered bit fat content to see if it works any to help her loose bit weight.Amount of food is not changed much.

She lost 300g (about 1 lb) I think. I should not loose more than now or otherwise I become twig,but I am sure it helps my health too so,I go for walk daily.

Today,I fed her Elk and she was not too excited on her first round but ate in gusto this time around. I wonder what makes her eat it in gusto and what makes her feel not wanting to eat it...

I am sure walking before meal maybe helping her to feel hungry maybe but,it is wiered...

So far,I be strong and patient and she is eating ok,and i keep winning the patient match:-P

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12a. Tikahni
Posted by: "Jennifer" kali_moonwolf@yahoo.com kali_moonwolf
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:09 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for everyone's great reply and links! I've spent all day
searching and made some decisions!!! I am not going to vaccinate except
my required by law and have found 2 holistic vets in the Dallas area!
Im only feeding raw and making an immediate switch when I get him on
Sunday! I can't WAIT!!! I'll try feeding him on a giant beach towel I
have. Im only going to supplement with salmon oil and some garlic (I
know too much can cause anemia) and I do like to use juiced and
recombined veggies sometimes. I've never fed a raw fish before so I
plan on doing that on bath-day, at some point! I can't wait to watch
that! lol So, my final question, is what do you use for treats? I plan
on doing extensive training, and even dog-scotering (Im a member of
those groups too) although not for a while yet, and all the treats seem
to have grains in them. Wouldn't beef jerky be too salty? Guess I could
make my own... what do you all think? I've really appreciated all the
time everyone's taken to write in! Thanks so much!

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12b. Re: Tikahni
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:18 pm ((PDT))

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:42:41 -0000, you wrote:

>So, my final question, is what do you use for treats?

I know its cooked, but you can boil some liver 'til it's cooked, then
bake it slowly to dry it out and that makes great dog treats. If you
are into garlic, you can use a little on the liver (mostly for your
own nose!). For treats only feed tiny amounts at a time, it's the
taste that rewards, not the meal, and it shouldn't make much
difference to his healthy diet.
~ Carol
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13. Is it ok to give puppy 7mos half chicken?
Posted by: "angela182548" angela182548@yahoo.com angela182548
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:38 pm ((PDT))

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Hi All,
I just got 2 chickens cut in half. Is it ok to give the puppy a half?
Man I am nervous.... :-)They all have one .....

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