[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12147

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: WILLTHEY CHOKE ON CHICKEN BONES???
From: Andrea
1b. Re: WILLTHEY CHOKE ON CHICKEN BONES???
From: angela182548

2a. Re: Green tripe-not so green..questions
From: Karen Swanay
2b. Re: Green tripe-not so green..questions
From: steph.sorensen

3a. Re: duke needs to brush his teeth.
From: Lene Andersen
3b. Re: duke needs to brush his teeth.
From: susrob061174
3c. Re: duke needs to brush his teeth.
From: Andrea

4. Not Eating Much.....?
From: Meredith Soriano

5a. Re: no poop
From: Andrea
5b. Re: no poop
From: Carol Dunster

6a. Re: My dog has a chicken allergy.
From: Andrea

7a. Re: RAW EGGS ?
From: Meredith Soriano
7b. Re: RAW EGGS ?
From: Andrea
7c. Re: RAW EGGS ?
From: Barb
7d. Re: RAW EGGS ?
From: susrob061174
7e. RAW EGGS ?
From: donnad2998@yahoo.com

8a. Re: Questions about Fish
From: susrob061174

9. Choking when drinking
From: wolfwood53

10a. Re: Fish?
From: susrob061174

11a. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
From: pretty24355

12a. CAN YOU GUYS GIVE ME A FEW EXAMPLES? :-) PLS
From: angela182548
12b. Re: CAN YOU GUYS GIVE ME A FEW EXAMPLES? :-) PLS
From: T Smith

13. Great Prices on chicken
From: T Smith

14a. Re: Swollen tum but no other visible signs it is bloat.
From: T Smith
14b. Re: Swollen tum but no other visible signs it is bloat.
From: patrice_quinn

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1a. Re: WILLTHEY CHOKE ON CHICKEN BONES???
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:30 am ((PDT))

Hi, Angela, glad to have you here, and I'm sorry about your recent
loss. Feeding a good raw diet is a lot easier than many people would
have you think. The ones who make it difficult are usually selling
some supplement or another that they say is *essential* to the dog's
health. In reality, if you just stick with nature's model you will
be fine. Feed lots of meat, some organ and some edible bone and
that's all you need.

Bones are scary for us but remember that your dogs are designed to be
able to eat and digest them. The main benefit that we talk about
with bone in meats is that it is great for the dog's dental health.
Tearing into and crunching real fod is what keeps a dog's mouth clean
and healthy. Most raw fed dogs don't have any smell to their
breath! Another benefit to bone in meals is that eating them
mentally stimulates the dog and appears to (for lack of a better
term) make them happy. The look on a dog's face after eating a big
difficult meal is really so wonderful. Eggshells and bonemeal may be
a nutritional substitute for bones, but there is no substitute for
the real thing.

Raw chicken bones are actually really soft. Unless you have toy dogs
with malformed bites I wouldn't expect that your dogs would have any
problem eating any part of a chicken. Even dogs with no teeth can
eat whole chickens!

> I have been following a diet by Dr. Charles Loops, It includes a
> veggie mush,

No need for a veggie mush. Dogs are carnivores and there's nothing a
dog needs in a vegetable that a good raw diet doesn't already offer.

> raw meat,

Excelent.

> UDO's supplement pet essentials,

Not needed either. Supplementing should only be done if you know it
is needed and not "just in case"

> olive oil,

Not needed.

> 1tbsp sea weed (kelp),

Also not needed

> Eggs which I cook...???? Should I cook them???

I'd hold off on eggs until the dogs are more comfortable with their
diet. Eggs tend to lead to loose stools and room clearing farts (at
least in my house). But when they are ready for them, raw eggs are
great shell and all.

> I dont know if I am doing it right, I do know that it is better
> than kibble. :-)

Absolutely it's better, but we can help you make it a whole lot
better (and a whole lot cheaper, easier, and less time consuming).

For now here's what you should do:

Go to the store, get some whole chickens. Cut up the chickens and
put the organs in the freezer for later. Give each dog about 2% of
their ideal ADULT weight every day (a 50lb dog gets about 1 lb a day).
Keep feeding through the chickens for at least a week (all the while
reading posts from here). It usually takes a week or two for dogs to
get their digestion in gear and have consistent well formed poo.
After the dogs are used to the chicken you can add another protein
like pork or turkey or something. Take it slow and when you decide
to add some organs to the party, do it slowly. Ask more questions if
you need to.

Andrea

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1b. Re: WILLTHEY CHOKE ON CHICKEN BONES???
Posted by: "angela182548" angela182548@yahoo.com angela182548
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:18 am ((PDT))

Moderator's Note:

Sign and Trim Your Posts. Thanks.

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Hey Andrea,
Thanks soooo much . Ok so I shouldnt use the veggie mixture or chick
peas or anything other than protien sources? What about carbs? they
dont need them? yogurt? cottage cheese?
How many times do I feed them per day? You gave me sooo much good
info and I am grateful. I just want to do this right. So 86 the
mixture? Gosh I am so nervous... I want to do the best that i can
and I want to make sure that they are getting all the nutrition they
need. Thanks, Angela

were you as nervous as me when you started? lol

- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
>

> Hi, Angela, glad to have you here, and I'm sorry about your recent
> loss. Feeding a good raw diet is a lot easier than many people
would
> have you think. The ones who make it difficult are usually
selling
> some supplement or another that they say is *essential* to the
dog's
> health. In reality, if you just stick with nature's model you
will
> be fine. Feed lots of meat, some organ and some edible bone and
> that's all you need.
>
> Bones are scary for us but remember that your dogs are designed to
be
> able to eat and digest them. The main benefit that we talk about
> with bone in meats is that it is great for the dog's dental
health.
> Tearing into and crunching real fod is what keeps a dog's mouth
clean
> and healthy. Most raw fed dogs don't have any smell to their
> breath! Another benefit to bone in meals is that eating them
> mentally stimulates the dog and appears to (for lack of a better
> term) make them happy. The look on a dog's face after eating a
big
> difficult meal is really so wonderful. Eggshells and bonemeal may
be
> a nutritional substitute for bones, but there is no substitute for
> the real thing.
>
> Raw chicken bones are actually really soft. Unless you have toy
dogs
> with malformed bites I wouldn't expect that your dogs would have
any
> problem eating any part of a chicken. Even dogs with no teeth can
> eat whole chickens!
>
> > I have been following a diet by Dr. Charles Loops, It includes a
> > veggie mush,
>
> No need for a veggie mush. Dogs are carnivores and there's
nothing a
> dog needs in a vegetable that a good raw diet doesn't already
offer.
>
> > raw meat,
>
> Excelent.
>
> > UDO's supplement pet essentials,
>
> Not needed either. Supplementing should only be done if you know
it
> is needed and not "just in case"
>
> > olive oil,
>
> Not needed.
>
> > 1tbsp sea weed (kelp),
>
> Also not needed
>
> > Eggs which I cook...???? Should I cook them???
>
> I'd hold off on eggs until the dogs are more comfortable with
their
> diet. Eggs tend to lead to loose stools and room clearing farts
(at
> least in my house). But when they are ready for them, raw eggs
are
> great shell and all.
>
> > I dont know if I am doing it right, I do know that it is better
> > than kibble. :-)
>
> Absolutely it's better, but we can help you make it a whole lot
> better (and a whole lot cheaper, easier, and less time consuming).
>
> For now here's what you should do:
>
> Go to the store, get some whole chickens. Cut up the chickens and
> put the organs in the freezer for later. Give each dog about 2%
of
> their ideal ADULT weight every day (a 50lb dog gets about 1 lb a
day).
> Keep feeding through the chickens for at least a week (all the
while
> reading posts from here). It usually takes a week or two for dogs
to
> get their digestion in gear and have consistent well formed poo.
> After the dogs are used to the chicken you can add another protein
> like pork or turkey or something. Take it slow and when you
decide
> to add some organs to the party, do it slowly. Ask more questions
if
> you need to.
>
> Andrea
>

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2a. Re: Green tripe-not so green..questions
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:30 am ((PDT))

You can feed it...it's tough to chew so a work out for the face
muscles, but for nutrition it's worthless. You can't get green tripe
in any place that sells food for human consumption.
Karen

On 10/11/07, lar07911 <lar07911@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I went to a Hispanic grocery store the other day and found whole fish,
> chicken feet, and even tripe. Only thing is...the tripe is white
> because it has been cleaned? Can I still feed that to my dogs, or is
> it a waste of time? Thanks,
> Laura
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2b. Re: Green tripe-not so green..questions
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:30 am ((PDT))

I would consider it a waste of time because all of the nutrition has
been bleached out of it. That is why green tripe, which isn't really
green, is preferred. Green tripe is simply called that because it is
the tripe in its natural, unprocessed form from grass-fed animals.
That is the difference between green tripe and the bleached tripe you
see at the store.

They'll probably like the bleached tripe (mine did before I knew
better), but it isn't really much more than filler.

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy, and Minkey (the kitty)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lar07911" <lar07911@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I went to a Hispanic grocery store the other day and found whole
fish,
> chicken feet, and even tripe. Only thing is...the tripe is white
> because it has been cleaned? Can I still feed that to my dogs, or is
> it a waste of time? Thanks,
> Laura
>

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3a. Re: duke needs to brush his teeth.
Posted by: "Lene Andersen" leneandersen@ntribs.com leneaa2004
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:30 am ((PDT))

Jaala wrote:

>>"Big Soup Bones", marrow bones, recreational or 'dog' bones
are wreck bones. They wear teeth down and cause breakage and
fractures.<<

In all my years with dogs (quite a few dogs actually having run a Greyhound
breeding & racing kennel for 6 years) I have given my dogs marrow bones. I
have not experience any of the above problems. Guess I have just been lucky
or my dogs have had exceptionally strong teeth.

Regards Lene

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3b. Re: duke needs to brush his teeth.
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:44 am ((PDT))

If you can get a cow knuckle, raw that would work wonders. You can use
turkey necks too, but I would wait until he learns to eat slower.

If he is scarfing down its food, you want to hand feed until he slows
down. It not good for a dog to inhale its food. The dog needs to have
the chewing action to eat raw to trigger the production of stomach acid.

Susanne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "nital1066" <nital1066@...> wrote:
>
> i've been rawfeeding for about a year now, and duke's canines are
> slowly getting more and more tarter. the rest of his teeth look ok,
> but i did notice the tiny little crevices don't look that clean. what
> can i feed him to help clean those teeth? lamb necks, lamb breasts,
> beef ribs, pigs feet, pork shoulders are all already part of the menu
> rotation. i have not been successful thus far in procuring entire
> cow's feet/legs. if i really had to, i do have access to pigs heads,
> but i'm rather skeeved out by them, and i'd definately have to wait
> until my husband goes out of town before i could pull those out of the
> freezer. ;)
>
> duke is a 65 lb lab/dane mix with a bottomless tummy who scarfs down
> food as fast as possible. he really only needs a little over one
> pound of food a day, but he scarfs that down in no time. what i've
> been doing lately is to give him a BIG meal occasionally, followed by
> a couple days of "snack sized" meals. however, big and even frozen
> haven't slowed him down too much, and i'm reluctant to feed frozen too
> often, he gets ice-cream headaches afterwards and flops around on the
> group, pawing at his head and rubbing his head against the carpet.
>
> any advice would be much appreciated.
> thanks
> anita
>

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3c. Re: duke needs to brush his teeth.
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:51 am ((PDT))

I'd say if the dog is bolting their food it is best to offer something
large and cumbersome so that they cannot try to inhale it. Holding
food for a dog may forcibly slow them down, but who wants to hold their
dog's food forever? Better to teach them to slow down on their own
with big food.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "susrob061174" <susrob061174@...>
wrote:

> If he is scarfing down its food, you want to hand feed until he
> slows down. It not good for a dog to inhale its food. The dog needs
> to have the chewing action to eat raw to trigger the production of
> stomach acid.
>
> Susanne

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4. Not Eating Much.....?
Posted by: "Meredith Soriano" mom2mytwinz@yahoo.com mom2mytwinz
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:31 am ((PDT))

My dog Chloe is not eating very much....she is a chi-poo and 4-6 lbs.
Also I caught her eating a piece of chicken from days ago outsde...is that ok?
Any other food (RAW) suggestions that I can try on her?

TIA
Meredith

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5a. Re: no poop
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:31 am ((PDT))

If your dog had never eaten tongue I would imagine her tummy hurts and
that's it. I don't see any medical emergency.

I have a newf mix pup who is doing great on a raw diet. Dogs haven't
evolved to eat grains, period. Thousands of years is the blink of an
eye in evolutionary terms and it takes a lot longer than that for a
carnivore to evolve into an omnivore.

I suggest feeding your new puppy some chicken to get started. As far
as the retriever, my dogs can go 48 hours without pooing before I even
notice.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "rawnewfie" <rawnewfie@...> wrote:

> Last night she had a big meal sliced pork toungue, some chicken
> gizzard and a little chicken livers. after dinner went for a walk,
> she tried to go and two little rabbit turds. today no poop. this is
> now well over 30 hours without defecating.

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5b. Re: no poop
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:17 am ((PDT))

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:51:05 -0000, you wrote:

>I have heard from several sources that newfies are historically fed on some sort of meal
>meaning porridge or something.

Historically "meal" has often meant a meat mixture too. :) Perhaps
that is what they were talking about?
~ Carol
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6a. Re: My dog has a chicken allergy.
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, MustBLuvSpaniels@... wrote:

> If your dog does have a true chicken allergy he will be allergic to
> raw chicken also.

That's not actually true. It is perfectly possible for a dog to
honestly be allergic to cooked chicken but have no reaction to raw
chicken. Cooking changes the molecular structure of proteins and
enzymes that trigger allergic reactions. I am severely allergic to raw
pineapple (as in rush to the hospital because I can't breathe) but I
have zero reaction to cooked pineapple.

Allergy tests that vets do on dogs are based on cooked proteins, so if
an allergy test reveals that the dog is allergic to chicken there is
still a good chance that the dog won't react with raw chicken.

Andrea

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7a. Re: RAW EGGS ?
Posted by: "Meredith Soriano" mom2mytwinz@yahoo.com mom2mytwinz
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:31 am ((PDT))

I gave my toy breed 2 RAW eggs this week, she don't eat the shell though.
She LOVES them!!

angela182548 <angela182548@yahoo.com> wrote:
How do you guys feel about raw eggs? I have been cooking the eggs ...
but I know people who drink shakes with raw egg.??? Is it ok to give
them? Thanks for all your help ... I really apprecite it... I am
getting ready to make the mixture.. but I will wait for a respose
first.
Thanks, Angela

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7b. Re: RAW EGGS ?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:31 am ((PDT))

Raw eggs are great, though I'd imagine the rest of the "mixture" is a
little more suspect. Stick with a simple menu of chicken a la chicken
for a little while. Supplements and such may cause reactions that you
don't want.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angela182548" <angela182548@...>
wrote:
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> How do you guys feel about raw eggs? I have been cooking the
> eggs ... but I know people who drink shakes with raw egg.??? Is it ok
> to give them? Thanks for all your help ... I really apprecite it... I
> am getting ready to make the mixture..

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7c. Re: RAW EGGS ?
Posted by: "Barb" behaven1@telus.net behavensnikko
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:32 am ((PDT))

Raw eggs are great & so are the shells!
Go for it. Ours get eggs 2-3 times a week.
Cheers/Barb
Behaven Shelties--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angela182548"
<angela182548@...> wrote:
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7d. Re: RAW EGGS ?
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:32 am ((PDT))

My babies love raw eggs. I hand them a couple once in a while. They
play with it until they crack it open. Lick it up and wait for more.
Its a great source of protein and meat. They also love turkey eggs and
turtle eggs when I feed them. Which aint much. Give it a try and watch
them enjoy it.

Susanne

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7e. RAW EGGS ?
Posted by: "donnad2998@yahoo.com" donnad2998@yahoo.com donnad2998
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:18 am ((PDT))

My dogs love raw eggs. They get them as an outside
treat. I just hand the egg to my dane and off she
oges. My beagle needs help cracking hers. They eat
inside and most of the shell and then beg for more.
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8a. Re: Questions about Fish
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:18 am ((PDT))

I believe the reasoning for freezing the fish is to kill any worms,
bataria lurking on or in the fish.

Basically any kind. I fish for my own. The only fish I heard not the
feed your dog is the Northern Pacfic Salmon. I preferr the fish to be
whole, you want the organs intacted, but I know alot of time you cant
get that way.

Yes, The dog is getting it Omega's and a varity of meat. Would you
love to eat chicken all your life? The purpose of raw is the varitey
and the nurtion value of it. All meat is not the same, it offer the
more nature way of feeding. Just picture yourself as a wolf and what
they would eat, wheather its hunting or a salvenger.

Susanne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "ncrnrgrl" <jcraver1@...> wrote:
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> I'm new-ish to raw, would like to know a little more about feeding fish
> to my large dogs (2 GSDs).
>
> I have for many years used canned sardines as a reward when tracking my
> dogs, but have read that you guys feed your dog a whole fish from time
> to time. And I read something about freezing the fish for a few days
> prior to feeding - but I didn't see why? and what kind of fish? Is this
> mainly for the benefit of Omega 3s?
>
> If the general rule is feeding meaty bones as big (roughly) as their
> heads, is this the exception to that?
>
> Thanks in advance for your advice.
>
> Jenny C.
>

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9. Choking when drinking
Posted by: "wolfwood53" fiona_laidlaw@hotmail.co.uk wolfwood53
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:19 am ((PDT))

Hi folks

I've seen lots of concerned letter on the forum re choking on meat,
bones, etc, however my dog appears to choke when he drinks. He is
fine no matter what he eats, but almost everytime he has a drink from
his bowl he coughs and splutters. I'm not really worried as he has
been doing it for months and otherwise is fine, but I wondered if
anybody had any ideas why he might be doing this.

Also, he seems to be happier to eat his food frozen. Would it be ok
to feed most of his meat like this, or is there any reason why I
shouldnt?

Thanks

Fiona and Ayasca

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10a. Re: Fish?
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:25 am ((PDT))

Moderator's Note:

Trim your posts. Thanks.
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Dear Angela,

I hate to hear of your lose. Switching to raw is the best for any dog,
but some dont take it well. You want to start slow. One source of meat
at a time for the first 2 to 3 weeks, to make such of no food
allegries and for their stomachs to adjust. Add another source for a
while and sooner or later you can give them a variety of meat in a
weeks time.

Fish is perfect. Basically any fish. The only one I heard not to give
is the Northern Pacfic Salmon. If you can get it whole and organs
intact is the best. It may take a while for the dogs to get use to it.
When one of mine turns it nose up. I cut the fish on the sides to let
the dogs know, hey this is food not a toy. Some of my babies love to
just play with the fish instead of eating it. It takes time.
Good luck.

Susanne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angela182548" <angela182548@...>
wrote:
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> Hi guys ~ I am new to raw and have been doing it now for the past 5
> days. On friday I lost the LOVE of my life.... my 7yr old Staff.
> Terrier to cancer. I took him in for sugery on his ears and the Dr.
> found a 3lb mass in his abdomen spleen... when he went in he removed
> his spleen and found cancer in his liver as well.(I saw pics) He
> gave
> him a few days to live....so I made the most unselfish decision of
> my
> life..:-(
> It has been tough..but I have 3 other babies that I need to take
> care
> of and seeing the pics of his insides makes me see where years of
> vaccinations, antibiotics, steroids for ear infections, commercial
> dog
> food, (even the best foods are garbage) took thier toll. I wish I
> knew
> then.......nevermind.... I just miss my guy.
>
> I must admit, I am a bit nervous about raw but I am going for it.
> Tonight I gave them each a piece of fish (talapia) ...then I went
> online and started to do some research on dogs and raw fish and
> found
> lots of different opinions. I was hoping someone could let me know
> if
> fish is ok...
>
> Thank you, Angela
>

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11a. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
Posted by: "pretty24355" blackdogshaven@hcinet.net pretty24355
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:26 am ((PDT))

Hi all,

> *** Besides the horror of losing one's home, it would be a tragedy to
> lose this already too rare breed. I've sent money.
> --Carrie

I totally agree with Carrie.

Plus, as many of you know, I lived through a forest fire. My sister's
home on the property adjoining mine was burned to the ground. The fire dept was able to save mine and I was able to save my dogs. However, like some of David's dogs, hers were in the home and all died, along with her cats. That was 6+ years ago and the memories are still all too clear.

This is a horrible tragedy and if a number of our members just sent a
small amount of money, it would build up quickly. Helping one of our
own is a good thing.

Karen

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12a. CAN YOU GUYS GIVE ME A FEW EXAMPLES? :-) PLS
Posted by: "angela182548" angela182548@yahoo.com angela182548
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:44 am ((PDT))

You all are sooo helpful, Thanks so much !
I was hoping that I could get a few examples of your weekly (or a few
days) feedings. I am sitting here getting ready to toss the veggie
mush and start over per your advice. I trust what you tell me...
because you all are doing it as well...and I am sure your babies are
happy and healthy! We thank you ! Angela

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12b. Re: CAN YOU GUYS GIVE ME A FEW EXAMPLES? :-) PLS
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:21 am ((PDT))

I don't know if I have it "right" but I feed like this:

morning & evening meals are the same way:

Dane pups: 1 - 3 thigh/drum/leg quarters
Lhasas: 1 drumstick
Dalmatian: 1 thigh/drum/leg quarter

I give their pills in hamburger or whatever else I can trick them with :-)

In between I give a turkey neck on occasion or chicken neck if in a
chicken......
I try the 2 - 3% of weight (like my Dane pups are getting 4 - 6 pounds
average meat as they choose. The BIG Dane pup has been eating the other's
left over food & has currently increased his appetite up to 8 pounds a day
but NOT fat (can you say GROWTH spurt in action *s*)

I also give hamburger to the young Dane pup & some pork chops & beef ribs
because she won't eat the chicken alot but cannot go without food.....so she
does get what she needs to keep healthy.

I hope that helps. I am not adding much 'extra' at all since we are only 2
weeks into this (seems like longer!) but a rare nibble of liver & heart if
it is in a whole chicken I cut up.
Trina

On 10/11/07, angela182548 <angela182548@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> You all are sooo helpful, Thanks so much !
> I was hoping that I could get a few examples of your weekly (or a few
> days) feedings. I am sitting here getting ready to toss the veggie
> mush and start over per your advice. I trust what you tell me...
> because you all are doing it as well...and I am sure your babies are
> happy and healthy! We thank you ! Angela
>
> _
>

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13. Great Prices on chicken
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

I am not sure if this is the right place to post this but we are getting
chicken thigh/quarters meat on sale for a week now at .49 at 10 lbs bags....
It's at a store called SAARs. I'm not sure if this is a chain or not since
I am on an island. My husband has been picking up all but one pack at night
to stock up..... he says he likes to leave one for other people :-) I'm
greedy on good deals lol
Trina
--
Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)

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14a. Re: Swollen tum but no other visible signs it is bloat.
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

Wow. I do not know how close you are to a vet but I would recommend keeping
a close eye on gum colour :-)
Nice pink when touched that go slighly whitish & back to normal pink right
away is good.....
Whitish or bluish mean lack of oxygen & an emergency.
Bloat is a fast killer so hopefully your dog just a alot of food & hasn't
digested it?
Trina

On 10/11/07, harrynala <michelle@synertex.co.uk> wrote:
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> Hi, my boy has a swollen tum and is listless. Earlier this morning he
> shook a bit too, but that has stopped now.
>
> Having looked up signs of bloat, he's not exhibiting any signs of this
> other than above.
> <snip>
> As of this morning, I've given them both canned fish with 6 teaspoons
> of activated charcoal granules just in case it is poisoning and he
> seems a bit better but still not himself.
>
> The vets here are a bit rudimentary when it comes to pets so they are
> only really any good in emergencies.
>
> Would be really grateful for any ideas
>
> Many thanks
> Michelle (and Harry & Nala)
>
>

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14b. Re: Swollen tum but no other visible signs it is bloat.
Posted by: "patrice_quinn" patrice@patricequinn.com patrice_quinn
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:51 am ((PDT))

Hi Michelle, This is Patrice Quinn. I'm sorry to hear of your boy's
discomfort and swollen tummy and I'm sure you'll find the members of
this wonderful forum to be as helpful as I have. As I wrote, my mini-
dachshund had just eaten her chicken drumstick when she became fully
bloated and was retching up only white foam. What I did was to gently
massage and push in on her hardened abdomen until she released the
air in a couple of large belches. In her case, she continued to have
this wretching or gagging reflex even though I have been feeding only
tiny amounts of baby food turkey at a time. This went on for five
days until late yesterday afternoon when, for the first time since
the incident, she started barking (at the doorbell)! Since that
moment, she has stopped the gagging reflex altogether and is now
plying me for food at every opportunity (I will continue to give only
baby food meats but in gradually larger amounts for the next couple
of days)and returned to her cute, curious, happy self. This tells me
she had a bone lodged in her throat which she dislodged when she
barked!! YEA!! In the meantime, I took all the advice which was
offered me here (including giving SEBP as Giselle advised) and am
looking forward to a full recovery for our Sadie. Take care,
Michelle and best of luck to you, Harry and Nala, Patrice

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