[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12139

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
From: Andrea

2a. Re: Fwd: Message not approved: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: Denise Strother

3. Duluth MN Raw Feeding
From: Cheryl Fleckenstein

4a. Re: Calories
From: susrob061174
4b. Re: Calories
From: tottime47
4c. Re: Calories
From: tottime47

5.1. Re: question
From: Andrea
5.2. Re: question
From: Nataly A
5.3. Re: question
From: katkellm

6a. FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
From: miensasis
6b. Re: FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
From: Andrea
6c. Re: FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
From: alexanderdewey
6d. Re: FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
From: tottime47
6e. Re: FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
From: katkellm
6f. Re: FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
From: Mona

7a. Re: My first raw feeding
From: Andrea

8a. WHEN DO YOU CALL A DOG "TOO" THIN?
From: miensasis
8b. Re: WHEN DO YOU CALL A DOG "TOO" THIN?
From: Shannon Parker

9a. Re: Websites for raw information & guidelines
From: costrowski75

10. another question on size of food
From: Shawna

11a. Re: WOW! Love the results after nearly 2 weeks!
From: helpshelteranimals

12a. Re: fast results?
From: tottime47

13. Feeding raw and skin allergies
From: Jen

14. Help! Dog not eating.
From: nlhp4

15. Liquid poo
From: Shannon Hully

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1a. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 6:42 am ((PDT))

In several areas in the country the raw feeders are lucky enough to
have some highly motivated people that put together a buying group or
co-op where members can get bulk items from different suppliers. I go
through a Southern California buying group that is good enough to ship
to the central valley (and now even Phoenix!).

Maybe someone in the NJ area knows of a group near you and can pipe in
here. You can also go to the carnivore feed supplier group and do an
archive search for NJ

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Lene Andersen" <leneandersen@...>
wrote:

> What is a buying group?

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2a. Re: Fwd: Message not approved: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 6:43 am ((PDT))

Trina,
Gorge and fast has nothing to do with starving your dog. The dog is
allowed to eat 2 or 3 days worth of food at one time and then fed at
the appropriate time. A dogs stomach is not the same as ours. It is
more expandable and their metabolism works differently than ours.
Wolves eat gorge and fast regularly. They don't feel week and woozie
if they don't eat for a day or so, like we would. If they did then
they would all die during a bad winter when game was scarce. I have my
dog and a couple of fosters. I also board dogs. Some dogs prefer gorge
and fast. My 9yr old female Chihuahua is one who does. I give them
large meals as much as possible. I let them eat what they want and
feed them or not the next day depending on how much they ate. I have
no food issues in my group and can feed my 3 dogs, my son's
girlfriend's dog and most of my boarders together in a relatively
small space. They all get what they need and don't have to worry about
each other. I don't remember the last time someone here needed a vet
and people comment on how great they all look every time we go out in
public, which is a lot.
I don't understand people who try to make dogs conform to people
standards instead of letting them be the wonderful, interesting
animals they are. I appreciate and love my dogs for who and what they
are which is an animal with some similarities, but many differences
from myself. I think encouraging someone to learn about and find what
works best for their dogs is a great thing to do. Denise

Thank you.
I just am having a hard time understanding why someone wants to allow
the dog to gorge & then fast/starve their dog intentionally.
I suppose it will just be something I will not understand & certainly
would never ever encourage anyone to do.
Trina

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3. Duluth MN Raw Feeding
Posted by: "Cheryl Fleckenstein" fleckensteincheryl@yahoo.com fleckensteincheryl
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 6:46 am ((PDT))

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I'm new to Raw Feeding. I have a Doberman puppy and a 7-year old chocolate lab. Where in Duluth MN can I get raw meat for my dogs? Thank you!

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4a. Re: Calories
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:27 am ((PDT))

I dont have a problem with Raw, I have been feeding since 1998, well
at first it was BARF until 2005 then I switch totally on RAW. Believe
me they get a wide varitey. Beef(hearts,kidneys,liver), Chicken
(Hearts, gizzards, kidneys), Deer(Whole), Rabbit(Whole),
Squirrel(Whole), Fresh Fish(Whole), Rats(Hairless), Turtle(Whole),
Armidillo(Whole), Lamb(Whole), Goat(Whole) and Turkey (Wild, Whole)and
more. I was just curious when my friend asked and then I also read in
my nurtition part in my Dog Bible the other day that a dog (depending
on wieght) for example 110lb dog requires 24 calories per lbs, more or
less due to weather and activity level. So that would be 2,640
calories that the dog will need. Ground Beef chuck from Walmart is 340
calories per 4oz. Adding up to 30.8oz or 1.9lbs to give. I just throw
about a 2lb chuck to each. One kibble brand would take 8 cups to full
fill the 2640 calorie intake. I told her it was to much of a headache
and trouble to watch your dogs intake than your own, so I dont bother.

Susanne

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4b. Re: Calories
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 8:02 am ((PDT))

Hi Trina,

If you have a healthy pup, it won't be long before he'll be needing
to loose weight on this diet, lol. Seriously, most I've seen are
getting a little chunky, unless they are show or working dogs.

Fatter meats are pork, lamb & beef. You can add a little extra to the
meal or add another meal for him, whatever works best for you.

One of mine was always a picky eater and stayed the same weight, give
or take a few ounces for 9 yrs! Now we are trying the cut back method
to get him to loose a little, lol.

Even my vet said he couldn't believe he'd gained weight!

Oh, be careful increasing the food as it doesn't take long for them
to put it on either!

Hope this helps.

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>
> On the other side:
> I'd like to know what raw food can I feed to help my youngster gain
weight?
> Trina

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4c. Re: Calories
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

Hi Susanne,

I've never seen Armidillo for sell! I would be interested in
giving my dogs a taste if there's somewhere to order it or is
it just a local meat?

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "susrob061174" <susrob061174@...>
wrote:
I switch totally on RAW. Believe
> me they get a wide varitey.
> Armidillo(Whole),
> Susanne

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5.1. Re: question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:27 am ((PDT))

My GSP mix is 1yr 8mo and has been raw fed since he was about 9wks
old. He is a fantastic dog and everyone who meets him comments on
how soft his coat is, clean his teeth are, and how well mannered he
is. He doesn't have any odor to his coat or breath, which is a huge
plus for me. I also have a 6mo old Newf mix and let me tell you that
I can't imagine what I would do if his drool actually had a smell to
it!

Feeding is tons easier for me than it was in the beginning. When I
started I was neurotic about calculating every mg of nutrients that
my dog was eating every day to make sure everything was "balanced."
Now I'm much more relaxed since I proved to myself that things
actually did balance themselves over time. I've found some great
sources in town and now I rarely spend more than $1/lb on average for
the dog's food. I love feeding the dogs as much as they love eating,
so it works out great.

I'd say only one thing has gotten harder for me as I continue along.
It's hard not to try and convert everyone I know and educate them on
the virtues of raw feeding.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Starr" <tishbash@...>
wrote:

> I would like to hear from the people who have been feeding raw for
> a year or longer and describe the benefits they have noticed.
> How it is different (or easier) for you now than in the beginning.

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5.2. Re: question
Posted by: "Nataly A" rap_squad@yahoo.com rap_squad
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:27 am ((PDT))

Hey Kathryn,

I have been feeding my dogs and cats raw food for 3 years now.
They have whiter teeth than most dogs i know, they are trim and muscular (even though the female is spayed), they don't have strong "dog odor", smaller stools which stink alot less and they are generally healthier (we havn't been to the vet even once for anything but the once-a-year-vaccination visit).

Nat.

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To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 1:33:01 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] question

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5.3. Re: question
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:11 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:

> I'd say only one thing has gotten harder for me as I continue along.
> It's hard not to try and convert everyone I know and educate them on
> the virtues of raw feeding.

Hi Kathryn,
I couldn't have said it any better than Andrea did. Different dog
examples, same feelings. I have a lab that as a kibble fed dog use to
seasonally get so smelly, baths no baths, expressing anal glands that
never needed to be expressed,...that she could trigger an asthma
attack in my son. Since beginning raw feeding a year and a half ago,
she no longer smells and my son can even let her hop in bed with him.
I also have a dog that i rescued as a puppy who refused to eat more
than he needed to stay alive. Over a couple of years time, I
went through Wellness to Merrick to California Natural to Timberwolf
and he looked emaciated. If he were my only dog, the aspca would have
stopped by to visit me. Friends use to say stuff like geeeez Kathy
you gotta do something. The vet said he was healthy and just needed
Science Diet. I stumbled across raw feeding from a wonderful person,
now a close friend, at a pet store on another attempt to purchase
something he would eat. At the time, the dog weighed about 55lbs. He
now weighs 70ish pounds and looks like the picture of health. His
coat is no longer coarse and brittle. My little aussie/bc dog was raw
fed from the day she came here. When she turned a year i sent
"birthday" pictures to the rescue place, and they emailed back that
she had the most incredible coat from her litter. Just my story, KathyM

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6a. FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:28 am ((PDT))

Hi guys...

I have a very sweet, submissive 2yr old wheaten who has always pretty
much let us do anything to him--pull food or toys out of his mouth,
etc... Today, for the first time ever, he growled at me and bared his
teeth when I came close to a chicken leg quarter he was working on on
the kitchen floor. I was shocked--he has never done this before. As
a dog who only ever picked at his k***le, I totally get that his food
now, which he loves so much, has so much more value for him. Has
anyone experienced a dog become more protective of their food on raw?
If so, how did you handle it? I obviously don't want him to start a
bad habit now that could spiral out of control later.

Thanks,

Nancy

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6b. Re: FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 8:01 am ((PDT))

Time to do some trading with your pup. Bring something with you that
is the same value if not better than what he is eating. Tell him you
want to trade and give him the new thing while you take his chicken
quarter away. By doing this often he learns that not only is it ok for
you to come near his food, it's a darned good thing since you often
give him something even better than what he already has.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:

> Has anyone experienced a dog become more protective of their food
> on raw? If so, how did you handle it?

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6c. Re: FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
Posted by: "alexanderdewey" alexanderdewey@yahoo.com alexanderdewey
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 8:02 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
>
I totally get that his food
> now, which he loves so much, has so much more value for him. Has
> anyone experienced a dog become more protective of their food on
raw?
> If so, how did you handle it? I obviously don't want him to start a
> bad habit now that could spiral out of control later.

Hi Nancy,

You hit the nail on the head when you said the the raw food has 'more
value' to him. But the problem isn't the raw - The behavior is
resource guarding, plain and simple and there are ways of training
your dog out of that. I'm new to the group and not sure if general
training advice is welcomed on here but I'll shoot you a seperate
email and try to help.

Alex

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6d. Re: FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:08 am ((PDT))

Hi Nancy,

I stumbled upon something that worked like a charm for me....

Several months ago I adopted another dog. The first meal she
was VERY food agressive, and she was also choking trying to swallow
a whole leg / thigh combo, lol.

To help her, I offered a chunk of chicken, she dropped the rest to
get it and I slid a paper plate over the meat, all the while talking
quietly to her, that it was ok.

I took it up and ribboned it.

When I put it back down for her, I also put down several more pieces
on the same towel in different areas and sat down, offering her
choice bits from the different pieces. She quickly got the message
that there would always be plenty and she didn't have to be agressive
or hurry to eat.

I did this for several days, just to make sure she understood.
Today I can take a piece from her mouth, if she needs help or it's
too small and she shares plates with her "brother" all with no
problems.

I don't know if this would work for every dog, but it worked for
us........

Hope it helps you some.

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:

Today, for the first time ever, he growled at me and bared his
> teeth when I came close to a chicken leg quarter he was working on
on
> the kitchen floor.
> If so, how did you handle it?
> Thanks,
> Nancy

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6e. Re: FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:11 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alexanderdewey"
<alexanderdewey@...> wrote: I'm new to the group and not sure if general
> training advice is welcomed on here but I'll shoot you a seperate
> email and try to help.

Hi Alex,
Hi Nancy,
You got it right, Alex, training issues are kinda ot here, but if you
haven't done so already, you could both join the Raw Chat group where
we can discuss lots of stuff that would get us a stern scolding from
the mods here. Nancy, you could post your question there and Alex i
would like to read you reply to Nancy. We are all here to share and
learn. KathyM

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6f. Re: FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??
Posted by: "Mona" mona@ptd.net deliriousmom
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:11 am ((PDT))

Nancy, I had the exact same problem with my pup Bella! Well, now that we
have been feeding raw for a few weeks, she has calmed down immensely. After
the first time that she snapped/growled at me, I started feeding her in her
crate thinking that she would feel more secure. At first I couldn't even
kneel down next to the crate without her stance becoming defensive and
baring teeth, but now I can actually lay my hand on her crate without so
much as a flinch. I have yet to try anything more invasive, I'm moving
extremely slowly on this. I don't open the crate door until she is done
eating; a few times she finished before the food was actually gone (a big
pork something or other) and she let me open the crate and take the excess
out without anything but a tail wag & happy lick on my arm. She is much
calmer with the food and its only been a few weeks. Hope that helps!

Mona

From: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of miensasis
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:18 AM
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rawfeeding] FOOD AGGRESSION ON RAW??

Hi guys...

I have a very sweet, submissive 2yr old wheaten who has always pretty
much let us do anything to him--pull food or toys out of his mouth,
etc... Today, for the first time ever, he growled at me and bared his
teeth when I came close to a chicken leg quarter he was working on on
the kitchen floor. I was shocked--he has never done this before. As
a dog who only ever picked at his k***le, I totally get that his food
now, which he loves so much, has so much more value for him. Has
anyone experienced a dog become more protective of their food on raw?
If so, how did you handle it? I obviously don't want him to start a
bad habit now that could spiral out of control later.

Thanks,

Nancy

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7a. Re: My first raw feeding
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:28 am ((PDT))

Glad your pup liked the food! If twere me, I'd take those organs out
for the first week or two. Organs can cause loose stools so it's best
to go slow with them. Other than that, sounds like you are well on
your way.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "ryanbadie" <ryanbadie@...> wrote:

> I bought some whole chickens today, cut them down to portions for
> him without removing anything but the organs, and froze them along
> with a piece of liver or organ in each portion.

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8a. WHEN DO YOU CALL A DOG "TOO" THIN?
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:29 am ((PDT))

Hello all...

I keep reading on the posts to adjust meals according to how your dog
looks. What do you do in the case of a "fluffy" dog like a wheaten
terrier that always looks bigger with the hair then it actually is?
Although the groomer usually bathes them, the one time I had to hose
them down I was shocked at how little they really are under all that
fur. According to the vet, my wheatens have always been "just right".
He said that if I could feel their hip bones that was good. Since
feeding raw, I've noticed I can feel all of their ribs too and I'm
wondering if that is still ok, or if I should feed more than the 8-10
oz/day I am currently feeding. Riley, my male, feels bonier than Molly
but when I feel his legs through the fur they feel more meaty. Both
dogs eat in the morning and while they come lie down on the floor in
the kitchen while we eat dinner or come investigate when I go into the
kitchen at night, they don't really beg. Their energy level is good,
too. At the start of the new raw diet they weighed 30 lbs, which is
already on the low end for a wheaten. Any thoughts?

Nancy

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8b. Re: WHEN DO YOU CALL A DOG "TOO" THIN?
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

Hi Nancy,

Well, as I'm sure you know, every dog is different. I have a greyhound, who I'm supposed to see the last 3 ribs on. The general guideline is that you should be able to feel the ribs, but there still should be a bit of muscle and fat over them. If you can't feel them at all, or barely at all your dog is TOO FAT. If all you can feel is bone (as well as over the rest of the body) then your dog is TOO THIN.

Hope this helps,

SHannon

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9a. Re: Websites for raw information & guidelines
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 7:36 am ((PDT))

"T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
I need alot of information & would really like some websites I can read
> otherwise, I don't feel I am doing this raw correctly. We seem to be
stuck
> in first gear & I need to get alot more info.
*****
Trina, you haven't been feeding long enough to get out of first gear.
In fact, a well-considered raw diet may not have much torque at all but
my Dog! it's got staying power.

I recommend you take it easy a bit, review what you have received from
the good people on this list, perhaps even browse the archives (OMD)
for information you haven't received to your satisfaction and maybe put
together a list of issues you feel you cannot adequate address on this
list.

It's quite all right to putz along in first gear for a while as long as
you are feeding a minimally appropriate diet, which I believe you are.
Chris O

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10. another question on size of food
Posted by: "Shawna" Mavides@aol.com mavidess
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 8:01 am ((PDT))

Hi everyone!

I've been lurking on this site for a couple weeks now...I switched my
4 year old Rottweiler to raw about 3 weeks ago and it's going GREAT!
I plan to switch my 5 year old Basenji/X next...and I'm considering
switching my 12 year old Chow (I'm on the fence with her since she
has a really tough time getting around and I'm not sure I want to run
the risk of diarrehea with her...but that's for another topic).

Anyway - I keep hearing people saying that items such as chicken and
turkey necks and chicken wings are too small for large dogs due to
the choking hazaard. What is the difference if a dog is given a
chicken wing or if he pulls off a chicken wing from a whole
chicken...isn't the piece that he ends up eating exactly the same? I
see the point that was made on an earlier post about them needing the
act of chewing on the bones to help with teeth etc....but it just
seems to me that what actually goes down their throat is what we need
to worry about. I've been feeding thighs/legs and he's doing
great...he has to work at them to get them apart, but I see some
pretty big hunks that he gets off going down his throat. Again...he
hasn't had any problem, but I'm just a bit confused about the advice
and wanted to have it clarified if someone could please!

Thank you and I look forward to continuing to learn on this site!!!

Sincerely,
Shawna
Glendale, AZ

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11a. Re: WOW! Love the results after nearly 2 weeks!
Posted by: "helpshelteranimals" helpshelteranimals@yahoo.com helpshelteranimals
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:08 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "aliciamyan" <alicia_larson@...>
wrote:
>
> Just had to share that our 3yo GSD and 12yo Yellow Lab have really
> taken to the raw diet. We have almost finished our 2nd week on raw
> and the results are showing. Moose, our GSD, seemed to respond with
> new energy the first week. > Alicia
********

WONDERFUL!!

AG & Ruffian - Mystery Mutt

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12a. Re: fast results?
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

Hi Andy,

I think fast results are common, I saw the same, when I changed
my dogs over to raw!

Dogs average from 7 to 16ys so they do seem to have to respond
quicker to changes in health.

JMHO

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "andrew_schoener"
<andrew_schoener@...> wrote:

> Are fast results common? Or am I just seeing things knowing he is raw
> fed.

> Andy

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13. Feeding raw and skin allergies
Posted by: "Jen" jboydmorin@gmail.com choirgirl_21
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

Hi all,

It's been a while since I posted and I'm actually trying to gather
some info for my mom this time around. She has a cairn terrier who
has had problems with seasonal skin allergies since she got her. They
have been treating her with otc benadryl up until this point but I
guess the problem is bad enough that the vet has now recommended oral
prednisone. I have encouraged my mom to try raw in the past, but
she's been opposed (probably to the work involved more than anything
else). Still I mentioned it, or at least a home cooked diet again and
she was open to talking more now that steroids are the alternative.

So...I would like to gather some anecdotal evidence for her about dogs
with similar allergy issues who improved after being put onto a raw
diet. If you could tell me what "traditional" treatments you tried
first (if any) and how they worked, versus what happened when you
started raw and how long it took to see improvement, etc. I would
really appreciate it. It would be helpful if the responses were
related to dogs with this particular type of seasonal allergy in
particular.

Thanks in advance. I know this is a pretty specific question, but I'm
sure there are at least a few of you who can help. I'd really like to
see my mom try some diet changes before she puts her dog on pred!

Jen

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14. Help! Dog not eating.
Posted by: "nlhp4" nlhp4@yahoo.com nlhp4
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

OK, Trinity, my ESS, is not eating. She is raw fed, loves to eat but
I think she got a bit of motion sickness from our long drive home
last night (8+hours in the car).

This happened once before and she ended up at the vets office because
I didn't know what else to do when she didn't eat for three days. Of
course, the vet drugged her up and blamed the raw feeding, that it
upsets her stomach. Knowing my vet was full of bologne, I gave the
pills to help her appetite come back and she was better by the next
day and eating like a horse.

In an attempt to avoid the vet visit this time, is there anything I
can feed her (besides pumpkin, she won't eat it canned or otherwise
when she IS feeling well) that will stimulate her appetite more
naturally being that she is raw fed and I try to keep her out of the
perscription drug arena?

Any suggestions? (hope this post is OK for this group, if not please
direct me to a raw fed group that may be able to help).

-Sibyl-
Trinity & Titan thank you too!

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15. Liquid poo
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 9:10 am ((PDT))

Ok, question. I have been feeding through the food I've got in the pet
fridge and my dog's food is getting ripe. I know people feed it that
way, so I gave him some last night and this morning.

This morning's poo was partially formed mush followed by liquid mush.
I haven't introduced anything new in the last few days (Friday I
introduced turkey but he's had no problems with it so far so I don't
imagine it's that) so all I can think of is that maybe this is a
reaction to high meat. He's been raw-fed for about three and a half
weeks now and has been doing REALLY well. :-)

I'm not worried, just curious. He wasn't even in any hurry to void his
bowel, leaving that for the end of the walk, so I doubt he's in any
distress.

Shannon H. with Darwin the Greyt goof.

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