[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12137

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: NEED MORE ADVICE - BOWEL DISTRESS FOR MOLLY
From: carnesbill
1b. Re: NEED MORE ADVICE - BOWEL DISTRESS FOR MOLLY
From: katkellm

2a. Re: Raw Feeding while I'm Pregnant
From: Sandee Lee

3a. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: katkellm
3b. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
From: Sandee Lee
4b. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
From: Michael Moore

5a. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
From: spricketysprock
5b. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: List on Freecycle
From: Mona

7a. Re: Chicken Necks
From: costrowski75
7b. Re: Chicken Necks
From: Sandee Lee

8a. Re: Calories
From: Sandee Lee

9a. Re: New dog, feeding question
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: New to Group, how do I do a raw diet meal??
From: costrowski75

11a. Re: Snowy's front gums are bleeding, no apparent cause...?
From: Sandee Lee

12a. Fwd: Message not approved: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: T Smith
12b. Re: Fwd: Message not approved: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: Sandee Lee
12c. Re: Fwd: Message not approved: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: Giselle

13a. Re: Raw Beef ribs?
From: ryanbadie
13b. Re: Raw Beef ribs?
From: Sandee Lee

14. itchy spot/hot spot?
From: rocketblasther

15a. Re: Some thoughts/questions
From: Giselle

16a. Re: beef tongue
From: Giselle

17a. Re: WOW! Love the results after nearly 2 weeks!
From: Giselle

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1a. Re: NEED MORE ADVICE - BOWEL DISTRESS FOR MOLLY
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:14 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to stay calm, but I am getting a bit worried. Any
advice
> for me??? Is it normal to have this kind of reaction to the
> raw food
> now even after she has had no issues in the two weeks prior to
this
> episode?

Nancy, don't panic. This is not normal but not all that uncommon
either. It happens from time to time with certain dogs. Sometimes
it takes a week or so on chicken for tummy to settle down. I
suggest feeding her more bone. Maybe one of her meals each day
could be a chicken back. Lots of bone in them and bone tends to
firm up poop.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1b. Re: NEED MORE ADVICE - BOWEL DISTRESS FOR MOLLY
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:21 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
> Her system had calmed down...bowels and stomach empty...and then I
> gave her a very small meal on Saturday morning of chicken breast with
> a bit of bone still attached. Sunday I fed her more of the same.

Hi Nancy,
If i am hearing you correctly, you fed chicken breast"with a bit of
bone still attached." If you actually removed some of the bone from
the breast, this might not have been the best plan because bone tends
to firm things up. Skin and fat removal is a great idea, but maybe
you should have left the bone. Second, again if i hear you correctly,
you fed one meal Sat. morning and then nothing until Sunday. I think
that with a tummy that is recovering from being upset several smaller
and more frequent meals might have been better for her. So at this
point i think i would stick with a bone left in chicken breast, hold
the fat and the skin. I would feed 3 smaller meals a day and make
sure you don't increase the amount you feed since you are feeding more
often. I also agree with Carol that some SEPB might help her. KathyM

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2a. Re: Raw Feeding while I'm Pregnant
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:18 pm ((PDT))

Rachel,

Continue to practice normal hygiene...washing countertops and hands...and
don't worry about it. Bacteria are everywhere....you will not avoid them by
feeding anything other than raw.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "rach9876" <rach9876@yahoo.com>

Of course, i wash
my hands and the countertops off each time. I guess i just reassurance
that it is ok to continue to feed my dog raw and that i am not posing
any threat to the baby. Thanks.

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3a. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:29 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
> What is the point of this type of feeding?

Hi Trina,
The advantages to feeding big meals begins with a more challenging
meal. The bigger the hunk of meat, the harder the dog has to work to
eat it. The harder they work, the more they have to twist and turn
and tear and rip and gnaw, the better physical exercise it is for
them. The dental cleaning benefits increase because they have to turn
their heads every which way and use all them there teeth to try to
eat. It is a great mental challenge to a dog to try and figure it all
out-kinda like a jig saw puzzle. A dog's stomach was physically
designed to eat big meals, to stretch. Feeding big meals not only
allows us to feed a natural diet, it allows you to let your dog mimic
the eating habits of a wolf. A dog that is fed a big meal is able to
stop when they are full and not when their people tell them they are
full. There is no contentment like that of a dog who has just downed
a big meal. A dog who is fed random sized meals at irregular intervals
is no longer a clock watcher and is not obsessive over food anymore.
They know what it is like to be really and truly full, not just full
enough to wait for the next little meal. This is not a thing for a
new raw fed dog to do. It is kind a like the five mile jog that you
wouldn't attempt on the first day of training, but is an easy run a
couple of months later. Just i case you couldn't tell, i love to feed
my dogs this way. hth KathyM whose dogs really love big meals,too

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3b. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 8:52 pm ((PDT))

"miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
is there a compelling reason with this model of eating to
> feed twice a day.
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The only compelling reasons would be dog related. If health or age
require smaller meals more frequently then that of course is what you
should do. Often it's recommended that small breeds be fed several
times day, but I don't believe there's consensus with this.

Otherwise, there is no reason except human habit to feed twice a day
and there are plenty of good reasons to feed once a day. Or less.
Chris O

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4a. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:35 pm ((PDT))

Laurie,

Good job! :) Glad things went well and the dogs enjoyed their meal!

I think since your dogs are used to eating beef and liver, you would be safe
in continuing with them. If they have loose stools, you could back off a
bit.

You are definitely correct about the bone content in chicken....it is
probably closer to 25% and additional meat is advised!

Fasting isn't necessary unless you are feeding huge meals that would account
for a day or two of food!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "thebestformyboys" <llb6984@comcast.net>

Now we have a couple more questions. The chicken leg qu. 1.1 lbs with
bone and skin seems like a lot more than 10% bone more like 20%? I'm
guessing I shouldn't feed any bone in tomorrow mornings meal (I've
got some prepacked cubed beef 80% with some liver 10%, and just a
couple pieces of kidney and heart from the old diet to use up). Then
feed another leg quarter tomorrow night. Am I thinking right? I don't
have to feed bone with every meal, just make it 10% of the diet. I'm
going to stay with chicken and beef for the first week or so since
they are used to these.
What about fasting? Do I have to do this? Ever?

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4b. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:23 pm ((PDT))

>>the chicken leg qu. 1.1 lbs with bone and skin seems like a lot more than 10% bone more like 20%? I'm guessing I shouldn't feed any bone in tomorrow mornings meal (I've got some prepacked cubed beef 80% with some liver 10%, and just a couple pieces of kidney and heart from the old diet to use up). Then
feed another leg quarter tomorrow night. Am I thinking right? I don't have to feed bone with every meal, just make it 10% of the diet. I'm going to stay with chicken and beef for the first week or so since
they are used to these. <<

You may be over-thinking this, which I think is common when starting on prey model. It's balance "over time" that's important, not on a daily basis. Over time, IMO, is over weeks, even months. You can certainly feed chicken quarters for long periods without issues. You can also feed boneless meals if you don't mind the possibility of loose stools from that. Depends on your dogs' tolerance and yours. And, BTW, I never even *think* about percentages -- I just feed mainly a lot of meat, a little bone and some organs. I've become quite causual about it.

>>What about fasting? Do I have to do this? Ever?<<

Personally, I don't, usually. I *have* given huge meals and then nothing for one day, or something tiny like an egg. But usually I just feed daily. There's no reason that you *have* to fast your dogs. Ever.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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5a. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:52 pm ((PDT))

My dog does the exact thing. I guess he is cleaning himself after
all... Strange that he doesn't like meat on his face, yet he'll gladly
bathe in mud!

jessica

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5b. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 8:31 pm ((PDT))

"spricketysprock" <jess.hamway@...> wrote:
>
> I try to give my dog a piece of chicken or turkey every day or
every
> other day as it seems those are the only bones he can chow down. Is
> that adequate for his bone intake?
*****
Probably more than he needs from a nutritional perspective; not
enough for a good mental and physical workout. What size dog, how
old, any health issues that would get in the way of bone chomping?

> > He doesn't seem to be overly constipated but he stopped pooping
> everyday, it's more like every other day. Is that healthy?
*****
What do you mean overly? Not pooping every day doesn't automatically
indicate constipation. If he's got nothing worth pooping, he won't.
However, since exercise is a great motivator, perhaps if you think
he's taking too long to defecate you might give him a good walk or
other activity.

> I've been having trouble finding organs so the only organs I give
> are chicken hearts and livers.
*****
Hearts are fed as muscle meat, not organ.
Where are you looking? My guess is you haven't broadened your
horizons enough. Beef liver is sold in most grocery stores,
sometimes fresh in a tub, sometimes frozen. If you can't find it,
ask.

I also feed multiple protein sources
> (fish, goat, duck, beef and chicken, soon to try rabbit!) and offer
> cow hooves for treats. Is that enough variety?
*****
Protein variety is fine, what's the status of body part variety? In
what shape are these meat proteins getting to your dog?

> Is it ok to feed goat and rabbit if they're not grass fed or
> organic?
*****
Of course. I'd say most of us do not have access to organic
freerange, or choose not to bother. I think aiming high is the right
way to look at resources but if you can't get there you ought not
lose much sleep over it.

Most commercial goat (and lamb) is pastured. How is it you've found
feedlot goat?

I really have no idea where the meat comes from or what
> standards they have, though it is all inspected.
*****
These are things worth knowing, not only for your dog but for your
sake as well.

> I recently saw beef stomach at an ethnic food store... is that the
> same as tripe? It doesn't seem like there would be many nutrients
in
> it. Is it worth feeding?
*****
Not the same, not worth feeding. The only stomach you might try for
is the stomach that's been left with a good dose of green digesta
stuck to it. YOu will NOT find this stinky green version in a
grocery store of any sort, at all. The stomach tissues offers some
nutrients but those are not generally what people are paying for when
they buy green tripe.

> Other random items I saw:
> cow tongue
> duck tongue
> chicken feet
> chicken gizzards
> pork intestine
>
> Are any worth feeding?
*****
Cow tongue is fine, a good tough workout if you feed it in large
enough hunks. Chicken feet are amusing sources of cartilage from
which both glucosamine and chondroitin are derived. Gizzards are
muscle meat like heart but less jam packed with nutrition. When you
buy whole birds you usually get a heart, some liver, some gizzard. I
do not go out of my way to buy additional gizzards.

Duck tongue and pork intestines are not worth writing home about.

> I recently gave my dog a whole duck to consume. Previously I would
> chop up everything beforehand but feeding whole was much more
> convenient and gave him a better workout. He ate the ENTIRE thing,
> head and beak included. When he pooped it was foamy and green. Is
> that from the brain?!
*****
No, it's probably from having eaten too much fat. Ducks are
profoundly fatty. If your dog is not accustomed to the fat attached
to domestic ducks, that's what you get. I recommend you postpone
duck either indefinitely or certainly until later.

y He also swallowed a leg whole - foot included,
> which he had trouble passing. So, from now on I'll probably chop
off
> the head and limbs... or are there significant nutrients in there
he
> needs?
*****
In what way did he have trouble passing these parts? I mean, could
you SEE the parts, were they not digested? Were they actually intact
and stuck? My guess is his difficulty was related to not enough
flesh. Lots of fat, lots of bone, not enough meat.

I don't see domestic duck as being a notable investment, especially
since your menu is not laking for variety.

> Lastly, just about EVERY time after my dog eats, his face seems to
> be very itchy. He always rolls around in the grass and rubs his
nose
> and eyes in the ground.
*****
I'm sure most dogs do this at least sometimes, and some dogs do this
all the time. Perhaps he's cleaning himself off. I've always
assumed that's why all of my dogs have done it.
Chris O

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6a. Re: List on Freecycle
Posted by: "Mona" mona@ptd.net deliriousmom
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:53 pm ((PDT))

Hi Kristin, Good idea, I'll definitely specify unseasoned meat next time.
What a DUH moment! I hadn't thought of it before and I don't like to come
off as rude so I just say thank you and deal with whatever it is at home.

I wish I had hens for fresh eggs & to get the darn grubs! I'm actually
thinking of giving it a go, but that's for another list I guess, LOL!

Mona

Of course, if I did get something I couldn't feed the dog, I bet the
hens would love it :)

Kristin

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7a. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 7:55 pm ((PDT))

, "Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...> wrote:
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> Her dogs almost 8 and bene eating RAW it's whole life. Her dogs also
in
> excellent health and NEVER had a problem with the necks.
*****
I still don't understand your point.
Chris O
Please remember to trim your messages!

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7b. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 8:17 pm ((PDT))

And that makes it appropriate how?????

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@hotmail.com>

> Her dogs almost 8 and bene eating RAW it's whole life. Her dogs also in
> excellent health and NEVER had a problem with the necks.

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8a. Re: Calories
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 8:16 pm ((PDT))

Susanne,

I wouldn't worry about calories at all. Feed the recommended %'s according
to ideal weight... if the dog isn't getting enough, it's easy to add a bit
more.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "susrob061174" <susrob061174@yahoo.com>

I hate to mention the word "kibbles", sorry. Someone the other day
asked me how many calories do you give to a adult GD that is very
active. I told them I dont worry about it because my dogs are on raw.
This got me thinking, how would you know how many calories you are
giving your dog while on raw or would you worry about it at all. Does
the calories only pretain to kibbles? Thanks

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9a. Re: New dog, feeding question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 8:47 pm ((PDT))

"Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...> wrote:
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> Then why is it that pretty much every professional will tell you to
feed in
> several smaller meals to prevent bloat?
*****
I doubt very much you've asked enough professionals to come to that
conclusion. But perhaps it's the class of professionals you've
asked, assuming you have asked every professional. Perhaps the
professional is working off of old data, perhaps the professional has
an agenda that precludes getting it straight with bloat. Perhaps the
professionals you've asked are as under-educated about bloat as they
are about species appropriate nutrition.

> And that dogs are more commonly dignoised with bloat with large
meals then
> small?
*****
And this would be according to what study? By whom?

It's hard to do a study when dogs die from it and it's not a long
term
> thing.
WHAT are you talking about?

But from What I've read, heard and semiars I've been to... they get
a
> lot smaller ratio of dogs with bloat after a small meal then a
large meal.
*****
Uh huh. Well that's good to know. Who is they? Perhaps you might
share with us their research.
Chris O

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10a. Re: New to Group, how do I do a raw diet meal??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:03 pm ((PDT))

"jessigalloway" <bjbgalloway@...> wrote:
>
> I am totally new and wondering about a raw diet. I am wanting to try
it
> with my two labs but am unsure of where to even start? How do you
make
> a meal for them?
*****
I urge you to access the list archives and read some of the
zillion "how do I?" posts that have accumulated there. I suspect there
will not be ONE question left unanswered. I think you will get more
information quicker simply by browsing the archives.

To access the archives you must join Yahoogroups (email membership does
not include Yahoogroups membership) which is easy peasy. At the bottom
of every rawfeeding post you receive is a link to yahoogroups. Once
there, simply follow the brief instructions.
Chris O

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11a. Re: Snowy's front gums are bleeding, no apparent cause...?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:05 pm ((PDT))

Is it possible you are brushing too hard (why are you brushing)? Feeding
inappropriate bones? It certainly seems like his gums are irritated...I
just wonder what would happen if you leave his mouth alone for a few days.
Doesn't sound like it is severe enough for a vet visit, certainly not
antibiotics!

Unless he is in severe pain, I'd leave him alone, feed an appropriate diet
(no ground foods or hard bones) and see how it goes.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "shefy7" <shefy7@yahoo.com>

For the past 2 days I noticed him pawing at his mouth. I thought he
got something stuck in there but it was all clear. He has very clean
teeth by the way, thanks to the bones and brushing! However,
yesterday he was licking his paw and I noticed a drop of blood. So I
checked in his mouth and his gum was bleeding, from the upper
canine. Not a lot, but just a drop. I saw a little scratch behind
his little tooth next to the canine (I think he decided to chew some
bark in the backyard...), but that healed up. His upper gums are
reddish and inflammed and there is a little bleeding around the
canines. It's not constant bleeding though. Just after he eats or
chews on a bone. He's not even chewing his pizzle anymore :( His
favorite....

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12a. Fwd: Message not approved: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:19 pm ((PDT))

> Thank you.
> I just am having a hard time understanding why someone wants to
allow the
> dog to gorge & then fast/starve their dog intentionally.
> I understand the wolf philosophy but these are still our canine
dogs;
> descendants of wolves, not wolves & they do not have to starve like
wolves
> do. they have the wonderful opportunity & luxury to be fed daily.
Why not
> just 'adopt a wolf' if that is the type of feeding a person wants
to do. It
> seems quite extreme.
> I suppose it will just be something I will not understand &
certainly would
> never ever encourage anyone to do.
> Trina
>
>
> On 10/8/07, carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> > The people who feed this way are trying to replicate what might
happen
> > in nature. A wolf might go for a day or two without finding any
> > prey. Personally, I think it's overkill.
> >
> > Bill Carnes

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12b. Re: Fwd: Message not approved: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:08 pm ((PDT))

Trina, a dog is not starving after a gorge...he is digesting. This is the
way the canine digestive system is designed to eat.

Dogs *are* wolves...you are feeding little and big wolves in your home. :))
As much as we love and treat them like our kids, they are not. They don't
require two or three nice little tidy evenly spaced out meals per day. They
are much more satisfied when fed large consuming meals.

You don't have to feed gorge and fast method, you don't have to encourage
anyone else to do it, not everyone feeds that way, it's not a
requirement...but it is not extreme, it is not overkill, it is normal!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "T Smith" <coldbeach@gmail.com>

> > I just am having a hard time understanding why someone wants to
> allow the
> > dog to gorge & then fast/starve their dog intentionally.
> > I understand the wolf philosophy but these are still our canine
> dogs;
> > descendants of wolves, not wolves & they do not have to starve like
> wolves
> > do. they have the wonderful opportunity & luxury to be fed daily.
> Why not
> > just 'adopt a wolf' if that is the type of feeding a person wants
> to do. It
> > seems quite extreme.
> > I suppose it will just be something I will not understand &
> certainly would
> > never ever encourage anyone to do.

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12c. Re: Fwd: Message not approved: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:42 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Trina!
Allowing the dog to follow his, uh, stomach, and eat to his
heart's content ^_^ and then not offering them another big meal right
away is just trying to replicate the natural pattern in the wild.

I offer Bea BIG Food about twice a month. Its up to her if she eats
until she's replete, or if she eats some at a time, over a few days,
until its gone. She gets the same amount either way. Her choice.

Recently, she's been eating maybe one or two days worth when offered
BIG food. More often, she eats maybe three-four days worth at a time.

The first day after a fast, she gets nothing. By nothing, I mean no
meal. I train with her every day, often short sessions a couple-few
times a day. I mostly use a very high rate of reinforcement with
treats (usually raw), as she's often learning or polishing, some new
behavior around the house or on a walk. When she goes with me in the
van, she gets a treat every time she gets in, as she *still* has
issues from her past life with this. If I eat out, she often gets a
snip of something, for bing a good dog and waiting for me (I used to
have a Schip that blew the horn when he was tired of sitting in the
van). When I cook, or have a snack at home, she gets a bit for being a
sweet girl, lying near me and not begging.

For a day or two after a real gorge, she'll get a snack, several
gizzards or hearts or a pork neck bone to chew, something little. Then
she goes back on a regular-one-meal-a-day schedule, or a bigger meal
every other day.

She's NOT deprived, and is relaxed about feeding times, but ever
hopeful, even after a real gorge meal. She ALWAYS has room for a
special treat!

I'm not a monster, nor is anyone who feeds their dog this way. We are
not being arbitrary or tyrannical. We just have a slightly different
perspective, and maybe are a little more relaxed about feeding.

Feeding this way has helped Bea to be more calm and relaxed about
food. She had some real issues with food guarding when she came to me.
Being able to eat her fill at some meals has been one useful way to
help teach her that food is not a scarce resource to be guarded at all
costs.

I would NEVER adopt a wolf, because they are the descendants of wolves
*who did NOT choose a life with humans*. Our dogs are descendants of
wolves who, for whatever reasons, chose to live near, then among
humans. We evolved together, depending on one another. The modern
world would be a better place if more people depended on dogs the way
they do on us.

Bea could afford to lose a few pounds. So could I. Maybe we'll take it
off on the walks we've started again, since the evenings are getting
cooler now.

TC
Giselle

> > Thank you.
> > I just am having a hard time understanding why someone wants to
> allow the
> > dog to gorge & then fast/starve their dog intentionally.
<snip>
> > I suppose it will just be something I will not understand &
> certainly would
> > never ever encourage anyone to do.
> > Trina

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13a. Re: Raw Beef ribs?
Posted by: "ryanbadie" ryanbadie@yahoo.com ryanbadie
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:23 pm ((PDT))

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Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. The information
Im unsure about is the crushing of the bones I read about
occasionally. What is the purpose of this and is it necessary?

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13b. Re: Raw Beef ribs?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:27 pm ((PDT))

No, it's not necessary to crush bones. It may have been recommended for a
dog just beginning or lacking teeth, but is not the norm. Certainly not
beef bones!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "ryanbadie" <ryanbadie@yahoo.com>

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. The information
Im unsure about is the crushing of the bones I read about
occasionally. What is the purpose of this and is it necessary?

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14. itchy spot/hot spot?
Posted by: "rocketblasther" jforbes05@sbcglobal.net rocketblasther
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:31 pm ((PDT))

Hello Everyone,
My GSD has what I think is a hot spot, I'm not sure what a hot spot
actually mean, but she keep scratching at one spot with her teeth. I
checked the spot in question and it appears to be what look like a
sore that she can't let heel. I'm going out to buy an E-Collar, but I
was wondering if there is anything that I could use to help soothe and
heal her hot spot? At one point I was feeding her a lot of chicken and
I think this started the problem. She now eats chicken, only once,
maybe twice a week, as oppose to four times a week.

Any Suggestions would Help,
Jim & Sara

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15a. Re: Some thoughts/questions
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:03 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Fiona!
YQW!

No real need to answer the replies separately.

You can copy and paste parts of different responses into one email to
comment on if you want. Use WordPad or NotePad in the Start menu under
Accessories. Or, you can use Gmail, and have all the messages on one topic
appear together in your email. Much better than glitchy hotmail! ; )

I'm glad you found so much great information to give you confidence to feed
raw!

Bigger food can be a little puzzling for dogs at first, when they are used
to getting their meals in little brown nuggets. It's enjoyable to sit back
and watch them figure out how to eat REAL food!

The first time I gave Bea a fresh pork ham, I had to slash it deeply, so she
would have something to grab onto. And her first turkey? She looked at me
like, "Where do I start?" I pulled the wings out and yanked the legs 'n
thighs until the joints popped, to give her something to tug on.

Did I give you these links?

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/130758
Message #130758*

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/13433*

*Message #134336*
TC and keep us posted!
Giselle

<snip>

> > Hello everyone. This is my first post. I have a 15 month old
> > Tamaskan dog (Ayasca)who I have been feeding raw since he was around
> 4 months (>
> > Any comments/advice would be gratefully received.
> >
> >
> Hello again
>
> I just wanted to thank Andrea, Bill, Chris O and Giselle for their
> replies. I'm a bit of a forum novice and don't actually know whether I
> should reply to each message.
> <snip>
>
> Anyway, thanks again folks and I'm sure I'll be back with some more
> questions in the near future.
>
> Fiona and Ayasca
>
>

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16a. Re: beef tongue
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:17 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Pam!
Tongue is a fattier meatymeat, so it might be best if you cut
a small bit off and add it to a meal with bone to avoid the dreaded
cannon butt. Gradually increase the size of the chunk you add with
each meal, unless/until you get an unwanted digestive response.

No need to cut meatymeat into teensy bits, unless it comes to you of a
size for easy gulping. Just hack off a likely looking collop, and a
bigger one the next day, and the next, until its all gone.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I have a 13 month old boxer who has been eating raw for 2 months. I
just got a huge cow tongue. I know it is considered muscle meat, not
organ, but how big of a piece should I feed him the first time? I
did precut it into sections approx 2 inches high & 3 inches wide.
> Thanks,
> Pam

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17a. Re: WOW! Love the results after nearly 2 weeks!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:35 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Alicia!
KEWL!!!

I love to hear the good news!

TC
Giselle

> Just had to share that our 3yo GSD and 12yo Yellow Lab have really
> taken to the raw diet. We have almost finished our 2nd week on raw
> and the results are showing. Moose, our GSD, seemed to respond with
> new energy the first week.
<snip>
Well, now she follows me to the barn and hangs out while I do chores.
She's even taken to carrying around a stick
> in case someone wants to throw a couple for her (so long as Moose
> isn't too close - he's a stick hog). She's just up and moving more
> than she has in quite some time.
<snip>
> Thanks to all who help guide and advise us newbies.
> Alicia
>

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