[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12135

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. New Member Intro--sorry long
From: thebestformyboys
1b. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
From: Andrea
1c. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
From: carnesbill
1d. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Raw Beef ribs?
From: ryanbadie
2b. Re: Raw Beef ribs?
From: Andrea
2c. Re: Raw Beef ribs?
From: carnesbill

3. WOW! Love the results after nearly 2 weeks!
From: aliciamyan

4a. Re: fast results?
From: Melissa
4b. Re: fast results?
From: alexanderdewey
4c. Re: fast results?/new subject ticks
From: Lene Andersen

5a. Re: Chicken Necks
From: Melissa
5b. Re: Chicken Necks
From: Kaitlin Fraser

6a. Re: black tarry poop/reply
From: ginny wilken

7a. What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethora of
From: spricketysprock
7b. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
From: Andrea
7c. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
From: Lene Andersen

8a. Re: {Raw Feeding} An idea on how to get meat - brainstorming?
From: tillandsiausneoides

9. New to raw diet and need help on getting started...Thanks!!
From: fanhchan

10a. Re: New dog, feeding question
From: Sandee Lee
10b. Re: New dog, feeding question
From: Kaitlin Fraser

11a. Re: Pregnant and off feed
From: Gail Edmond

12. NEED MORE ADVICE - BOWEL DISTRESS FOR MOLLY
From: miensasis

13a. Re: overweight PWD
From: Gail Edmond

14. FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: miensasis

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1a. New Member Intro--sorry long
Posted by: "thebestformyboys" llb6984@comcast.net thebestformyboys
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:45 am ((PDT))

I'm new to the group and have been lurking for a week or two. I'm not
new to raw feeding though and have been rawfeeding my two 3 1/2 year
old Golden Retrievers Logan and Cooper for 2 1/2 years along with
three kittens from 8weeks.

I joined this group for ta few reasons. I'm so tired of cutting meat
for 2 75lb dogs and three kittens I could cry (and sometimes do).
And both dogs have stinky breath, one has almost spotless teeth and
the the other's teeth are distusting, brown tartar covered. This dog
(Logan) also has nasty ears.....from 8 weeks to 3 1/2 years. They
haven't looked perfect for more than 2 months at any one time.
Both dogs have loose stools more often than not it seems. Not fun
with those feathers on a golden retriever :(

This diet has been a wonderful improvement on their overall health,
coats, temperment. You don't have to convince me that raw is the only
way--I could never go back to garbage in a bag. But obviously
something is lacking or just wrong. I thought I was doing good by
refusing to serve ground meat. But.....lapping up cubes and
swallowing really isn't any different!

Quick review of their diet: Morning meal : Grains (I also fed long
time without) Currently no grains for a week I'm over it and so are
they! Cubed chicken about 5oz each-little more since no grains.
Yogurt or kefir, safflower oil, blackstrap molassas, vit c, b
complex, vit e, fish oil pill, little bone meal, a little raw pureed
veggie. 4 eggs per week. (yes, i drag all this out before going to
work each day, don't forget 3 kittens)
Evening meal: Usually beef and liver sometimes chicken and liver. I
also add some heart, kidney, gizzards couple times per week. This is
coated with a powered dry mix of: Wheat bran, wheat germ, kelp, vit
c, nutritional yeast, bone meal and a fish oil pill. Garlic, cod
liver oil, a green leafy veggie, raw, pureed. See what I mean! This
is 5 days per week , we have 2 no meat days, one of which is a 1/2
day fast.
They get raw chunks of veggies and homemade liver treats for snacks.
You can see why I want my life back.
I'm reading on this list that there isn't really a need to
supplement. I'm having a hard time with this! I don't understand how
crunching up bones will replace some of these things. I'm trying to
not think about balancing too much. This diet felt safe....it is
backed up with years and years of blood work. But as I run out of
things I will not replace them and see how it goes. I KNOW I'll get
improved oral health with RMB diet, and maybe one of these
supplements is causing ear problems. I will stop the bone meal
immediately (can't wait to get rid of this) as I like to start them
on some crunchable bones tonight maybe.
I 'm a little nervous on what to start with. I bought some chicken
backs and some whole leg quarters. Cooper has a huge head and mouth
so I thought a leg quarter for him, he is a power chewer. Logan has a
much smaller mouth and is picky (and lazy) and examines everything
before eating so maybe a chicken back for him? The back doesn't look
like enough but would 2 be two much bone? I'd hate to add any chunked
meat to a crunchy bone meal.
I'm so excited about not cutting meat! You have no idea. Any
suggestions to help my first few meals go smoothly would be
appreciated.
I'm sure I'll have lots more questions as I add variety. I promise to
keep future posts short!

Laurie B
Port St. Lucie, FL

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1b. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 12:27 pm ((PDT))

Laurie, I'm so glad you found us! Just reading what you do every day
made my anxiety level rise, there's soooo much time involved there!
Get ready because your life is about to get a whole lot easier.

The problems you have with stinky breath and bad teeth will be easily
taken care of once you start feeding whole foods. Cutting out the
supplements will probably solve the nasty ear problem too.

I'm sure it isn't easy to get off of oversupplementing. You could
take our word for it that a varied raw diet isn't lacking in vitamins
or such, but I'll bet it isn't that easy, right? Why don't you make
a list of all the supplements you give and list why that supplement
is "necessary." Then ask yourself if a healthy dog should need this
supplement. If it is a necessary vitamin, amino acid, etc. I'll bet
it is found in appropriate amounts in the meat/bones/organs of a prey
animal. If you have questions on specific supplements and why they
aren't needed, feel free to ask on the raw chat list.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat

As far as how to start, it's really simple compared to what you have
been doing. Buy a chicken, cut it into quarters, feed quarter to
dog. Usually I advise that newbie dogs get just chicken with no
organs for a week or two, and you might want to cut the organ out for
the first week just so you can make sure their stools are good. No
more worrying about chopping, pureeing veggies, rolling in oats,
etc. Doesn't that sound nice?

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "thebestformyboys" <llb6984@...>
wrote:

> Quick review of their diet: Morning meal : Grains (I also fed long
> time without) Currently no grains for a week I'm over it and so are
> they! Cubed chicken about 5oz each-little more since no grains.
> Yogurt or kefir, safflower oil, blackstrap molassas, vit c, b
> complex, vit e, fish oil pill, little bone meal, a little raw
> pureed veggie. 4 eggs per week.

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1c. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "thebestformyboys" <llb6984@...>
wrote:
>

Hey Laurie,
I'm glad your eyes are finally opening. I think a lot of us when
the route you went in the beginning. The problem is you are
equating dog(carnivore) nutrition with human(Omnivore) nutrition.
All the nutrients a dog needs is in meat, bones, and organs.

My dogs have not had a veggie, fruit, grain, or any other supplement
in 5 years and they are very healthy with good ears, good breath,
good coats, etc. I think your dog's problems are directly related
to oversupplementation.

> But.....lapping up cubes and
> swallowing really isn't any different!

Exactly correct.

> I'm reading on this list that there isn't really a need to
> supplement. I'm having a hard time with this! I don't
> understand how
> crunching up bones will replace some of these things.

Crunching up bones doesn't replace anything except the bone meal you
have been feedng AND it keeps the teeth, gums, and entire mouth
healthy. You see, you were feeding all they needed and much much
more. Meat, bones, and organs contain all the nutrients your dogs
need for a long healthy life. If you wonder what nutrients are in
the food you feed, you may go to

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ ... this is a web page
by the USDA and lists the nutrients in different foods. In your
search criteria use the word raw (raw chicken, raw beef, etc).

If nutrients were missing from this diet, wolves would have gone
extinct hundreds of thousands of years ago.

> ... maybe one of these
> supplements is causing ear problems.

Without a doubt, one, maybe more were causing that problem and
probably others.

> I 'm a little nervous on what to start with. I bought some chicken
> backs and some whole leg quarters.

Cool, I feed backs every day and quarters about 3 times a week.

> Cooper has a huge head and mouth
> so I thought a leg quarter for him, he is a power chewer.
> Logan has a
> much smaller mouth and is picky (and lazy) and examines everything
> before eating so maybe a chicken back for him?

You can feed both dogs backs and both dogs quarters, they will be
fine. :)

> The back doesn't look
> like enough but would 2 be two much bone? I'd hate to add any
> chunked
> meat to a crunchy bone meal.

Adding meat to any meal is ok. I often add beef heart to meals 3 or
4 times a week. Sometimes I add other meat.

> I'm so excited about not cutting meat! You have no idea. Any
> suggestions to help my first few meals go smoothly would be
> appreciated.

Some people on here buy whole chickens and cut them up. I prefer to
buy chicken parts. No cutting and they are cheaper. I buy backs by
the case and I buy quarters at Walmart in 10lb bags. Both are very
cheap when bought that way.

You are really going to love this once you get your new routine
set. :) :) :)

Ask questions whenever you feel the need.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1d. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:30 pm ((PDT))

Oh my....yes, I can see why you want your life back. Yikes! Get rid of all
the ground up concoctions, the veggies and supplements, buy a nice chicken
and hand to dog! See, isn't that simple?????

Seriously, dogs are carnivores. Everything they require is found in the
diet nature designed...meat and lots of it in nice large hunks, a little
bone and organs. Much of what you are feeding is not only unnecessary, but
definitely contributing to nasty teeth, and most likely responsible for
loose stools and nasty ears. You don't need a replacement for any of that
stuff.

And BTW, bloodwork cannot determine whether a diet is nutritionally sound.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "thebestformyboys" <llb6984@comcast.net>

Quick review of their diet: Morning meal : Grains (I also fed long
time without) Currently no grains for a week I'm over it and so are
they! Cubed chicken about 5oz each-little more since no grains.
Yogurt or kefir, safflower oil, blackstrap molassas, vit c, b
complex, vit e, fish oil pill, little bone meal, a little raw pureed
veggie. 4 eggs per week. (yes, i drag all this out before going to
work each day, don't forget 3 kittens)
Evening meal: Usually beef and liver sometimes chicken and liver. I
also add some heart, kidney, gizzards couple times per week. This is
coated with a powered dry mix of: Wheat bran, wheat germ, kelp, vit
c, nutritional yeast, bone meal and a fish oil pill. Garlic, cod
liver oil, a green leafy veggie, raw, pureed. See what I mean! This
is 5 days per week , we have 2 no meat days, one of which is a 1/2
day fast.
They get raw chunks of veggies and homemade liver treats for snacks.
You can see why I want my life back.

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2a. Raw Beef ribs?
Posted by: "ryanbadie" ryanbadie@yahoo.com ryanbadie
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:46 am ((PDT))

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Hi Im new to raw feeding. Can I just give my 1 year old dog a slab of
ribs for his first raw meal or do i need to crush the bones and cut it
into smaller pieces? Im getting contradictory info. Thanks

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2b. Re: Raw Beef ribs?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 12:27 pm ((PDT))

Beef ribs aren't the best idea for first meal, IMO. There isn't much
meat per se, but there is a lot of fat which will probably give the
newbie dog loose stools. Beef rib bones aren't always consumed by dogs
and they are too dense for the first time bone intro for me. If the
dog eats the bone and the stomach isn't ready to digest it you'll end
up with bone bit bile vomit, which is pretty distressing the first time
you see it. It would be much better to start with a meatier meal with
some easy peasy bone inside.

Later on, beef rib slabs are good fun.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "ryanbadie" <ryanbadie@...> wrote:

> Hi Im new to raw feeding. Can I just give my 1 year old dog a slab of
> ribs for his first raw meal or do i need to crush the bones and cut it
> into smaller pieces? Im getting contradictory info. Thanks
>

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2c. Re: Raw Beef ribs?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "ryanbadie" <ryanbadie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Im new to raw feeding. Can I just give my 1 year old dog
> a slab of
> ribs for his first raw meal or do i need to crush the bones
> and cut it
> into smaller pieces? Im getting contradictory info. Thanks

You don't get a whole lot of conflicting info here about beginning a
raw diet. I don't think anyone suggests beginning a raw diet with
beef or beef ribs. Most suggest chicken to begin with because bones
are relatively soft and the meat is relatively easily digested. I
suggest beginning with chicken backs. Others suggest chicken
quarters or half chickens.

IMO Beginning with beef is asking for trouble.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3. WOW! Love the results after nearly 2 weeks!
Posted by: "aliciamyan" alicia_larson@msn.com aliciamyan
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:46 am ((PDT))

Just had to share that our 3yo GSD and 12yo Yellow Lab have really
taken to the raw diet. We have almost finished our 2nd week on raw
and the results are showing. Moose, our GSD, seemed to respond with
new energy the first week. We are waiting for his coat to catch up
with his demeanor, and it seems to be (a new sheen is appearing a bit
more each day and the shedding is slowing down a bit). Flicka is
arthritic and spends most of her days napping on her bed. She'll
greet us from her bed with a wag of the tail and occasionally will
follow us to the car. Well, now she follows me to the barn and hangs
out while I do chores. She's even taken to carrying around a stick
in case someone wants to throw a couple for her (so long as Moose
isn't too close - he's a stick hog). She's just up and moving more
than she has in quite some time. Flicka was also in need of loosing
a few pounds - which was near impossible before. Moose had little to
no interest in his k****e, so Flicka, being the garbage gut she is,
would move quick to finish his leftovers before one of us removed his
dish. Now, there are no leftovers. She gets her serving and that's
it - and she seems satisfied with what she gets since it takes a bit
longer to consume.

Thanks to all who help guide and advise us newbies.
Alicia

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4a. Re: fast results?
Posted by: "Melissa" mwood8402@yahoo.com mwood8402
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:47 am ((PDT))

I noticed the stools, breath, coat and nails within the first 1-2
weeks. He was on raw for a month or two before he stopped getting ticks.

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "andrew_schoener"
<andrew_schoener@...> wrote:
> Are fast results common? Or am I just seeing things knowing he is raw
> fed.

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4b. Re: fast results?
Posted by: "alexanderdewey" alexanderdewey@yahoo.com alexanderdewey
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "andrew_schoener"
<andrew_schoener@...> wrote:

> Are fast results common? Or am I just seeing things knowing he is
raw
> fed.

That's funny. Mine has been on raw for only 9 days but I find my self
thinking the same thing. I see what I think is 'improvement' in
several areas already...

Is it all in our heads or is it real? I bet it's a little bit of both.

When I feed myself appropriately for a week straight, I feel better
and look better, so I don't think that's too short a time to see
results/changes in a dog either.

Good luck with yours,
Alex

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4c. Re: fast results?/new subject ticks
Posted by: "Lene Andersen" leneandersen@ntribs.com leneaa2004
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:42 pm ((PDT))

Melissa W wrote:

>>He was on raw for a month or two before he stopped getting ticks.<<

Reading your remark, made me realize that I haven't removed any ticks from
my dogs the last couple of month, which is about the same time they have
been fed a mostly raw diet. I'm wondering however what the correlation is
supposed to be, do you (or anyone else) know?

Regards Lene, NJ USA

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5a. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "Melissa" mwood8402@yahoo.com mwood8402
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:49 am ((PDT))

I gave a chicken neck to my 20 pounder once when I was first starting
out, but I took it away before he finished. It looked like a choking
accident waiting to happen. I haven't given him one since.

-Melissa W

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5b. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "Kaitlin Fraser" fraserk7@hotmail.com fraserk7
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:58 am ((PDT))

Her dogs almost 8 and bene eating RAW it's whole life. Her dogs also in
excellent health and NEVER had a problem with the necks.

Kaitlin Fraser
Prince SJA therapy dog, CGN
Jester SJA therapy dog CGN
Wenlisa's Command Performance HIC, CKC majorPTd "Malo" A work of art in
progress.( Raw Fed, )
Sheep's Kin Unusually Unusaul Kiska- Another work of art in even more
progress.( Raw fed)

No dogs are vaccinated in my home.

" No one can walk into a room and bring as much joy, happyness and love as a
single dog can"

>From: "katkellm" <katkellm@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Chicken Necks
>Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:01:22 -0000
>
>--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...> wrote:
> > The first person I ever knew to fed Raw owns a Saint Ber. And feeds
>a lot of
> > chicken necks...
>
>Hi Kaitlin,
>Good thing you joined this list because you can help her St. out by
>explaining to the St.'s owner that chicken necks are too small and too
>bony for all but the smallest of dogs. You can explain that they are
>a choking hazard and bombard an empty stomach with way too much bone
>to digest comfortably. If she feeds lots of chicken necks to a dog
>that size, her dog has been robbed of the mental, physical, and dental
>benefits that a raw diet should offer. You could explain to her that
>chicken quarters, halves or a whole bird would make her dog a much
>better meal. When i first started to research raw diets for dogs, i
>though chicken necks were great food because all the Barf style diet
>sites recommended them, so your friend just might be feeding veggies
>to a carnivore, too. Honestly, with all the food parts out there they
>just score a zero on everything except the fact they are food. KathyM
>

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6a. Re: black tarry poop/reply
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 12:09 pm ((PDT))

On Oct 8, 2007, at 5:05 AM, Caren OConnor wrote:

> Lynda -
> No, it's no bother I was just wondering what causes the color and
> consistency. Is it the blood in the organs or the iron?
> Caren O'Connor
> Nansemond Cavaliers

Yes. It's the iron in the blood which gives it the color. As well,
the iron in tissues, developed with use, gives them their bright red
color. This is quite observable in salmon and poultry, for instance.
Farmed salmon is fed red coloring to produce a color that would
develop naturally in open waters.

Since organs are blood-rich compared even to muscles, you get a lot
of pigment.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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7a. What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethora of
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 12:31 pm ((PDT))

I try to give my dog a piece of chicken or turkey every day or every
other day as it seems those are the only bones he can chow down. Is
that adequate for his bone intake?

He doesn't seem to be overly constipated but he stopped pooping
everyday, it's more like every other day. Is that healthy?

I've been having trouble finding organs so the only organs I give
are chicken hearts and livers. I also feed multiple protein sources
(fish, goat, duck, beef and chicken, soon to try rabbit!) and offer
cow hooves for treats. Is that enough variety?

Is it ok to feed goat and rabbit if they're not grass fed or
organic? I really have no idea where the meat comes from or what
standards they have, though it is all inspected.

I recently saw beef stomach at an ethnic food store... is that the
same as tripe? It doesn't seem like there would be many nutrients in
it. Is it worth feeding?

Other random items I saw:
cow tongue
duck tongue
chicken feet
chicken gizzards
pork intestine

Are any worth feeding?

I recently gave my dog a whole duck to consume. Previously I would
chop up everything beforehand but feeding whole was much more
convenient and gave him a better workout. He ate the ENTIRE thing,
head and beak included. When he pooped it was foamy and green. Is
that from the brain?! He also swallowed a leg whole - foot included,
which he had trouble passing. So, from now on I'll probably chop off
the head and limbs... or are there significant nutrients in there he
needs?

Lastly, just about EVERY time after my dog eats, his face seems to
be very itchy. He always rolls around in the grass and rubs his nose
and eyes in the ground. If he's indoors he'll wipe his face on the
furniture. He doesn't appear to have any allergies or dry skin. Has
anyone heard of such a thing?

Thanks for the tips. I'm loving this group!

Jess and Toby

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7b. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

> Is that adequate for his bone intake?

Depending on how small your dog is it sounds fine. 10% bone isn't
that much and if you can't find other sources of edible bone it isn't
a big deal.

> he stopped pooping everyday, it's more like every other day. Is
> that healthy?

Lots of dogs only go every other day or so, I wouldn't be worried.

> the only organs I give are chicken hearts and livers.

Heart isn't considered an organ in rawfeeding terms. Unless I order
from a buying group I have a hard time finding anything besides liver
and kidney in the organ department. Keep looking around and you
might find something.

> Is that enough variety?

Yes, the protein variety sounds pretty good. You could try pork too.

> Is it ok to feed goat and rabbit if they're not grass fed or
> organic?

Yes. Most of us don't have the funds to only buy grass fed,
unfortunately.

> I recently saw beef stomach at an ethnic food store... is that the
> same as tripe?

Nope, that has been sanitized for human consumption. Supermarkets
aren't allowed to sell the unprocessed green tripe.

> cow tongue - Yes!
> duck tongue - Yes!
> chicken feet - Good chew toys, but not a meal
> chicken gizzards - I don't buy these since I get them w/a whole bird
> pork intestine - No this is also processed beyond recognition

> He ate the ENTIRE thing, head and beak included. When he pooped it
> was foamy and green. Is that from the brain?!

(= No, it was probably because he at the whole thing in one sitting.
Too much food at once for his stomach to digest it all.

> from now on I'll probably chop off the head and limbs... or are
> there significant nutrients in there he needs?

IMO, the more whole the food is the better. If you must cut the feet
off you could freeze them for treats to be given later. I would
definitely leave the head on.

> He always rolls around in the grass and rubs his nose and eyes in
> the ground. If he's indoors he'll wipe his face on the furniture.
> He doesn't appear to have any allergies or dry skin. Has anyone
> heard of such a thing?

I doubt he's itchy, he's just cleaning up his face! Both of my dogs
use the rug as a "napkin" after eating unless I leave a towel down
for them. Watching them rub their faces after eating has become one
of my favorite things.

Andrea

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7c. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
Posted by: "Lene Andersen" leneandersen@ntribs.com leneaa2004
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

Andrea wrote:

>>Unless I order from a buying group I have a hard time finding anything
besides liver
and kidney in the organ department. <<

What is a buying group?

Thanks - Lene NJ, USA

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8a. Re: {Raw Feeding} An idea on how to get meat - brainstorming?
Posted by: "tillandsiausneoides" amwagner@botany.ufl.edu tillandsiausneoides
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...> wrote:
>
> I just come up with this idea, what if you made poster/flyers - like the
> ones that you see the people wanting to sell something and they have
their
> name and number down at the bottome of the page on littl cut outs!
Could
> you do something like that but say that you're looking for meat and that
> you'll come and pick it up?
>
> Something like at the groomers and vets offices?
>
> Good/Bad -----thoughts??
>

Hi Brandi,

I think it might be good to post the flyers at feed stores (ask for
culls) or hunting supply shops (ask for organs and other unwanted parts).

Ann

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9. New to raw diet and need help on getting started...Thanks!!
Posted by: "fanhchan" fanhchan@yahoo.com fanhchan
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 1:13 pm ((PDT))

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I am a mom to a 1 year old Yorkie. She is currently on Canidae and I
would like to switch it to RAW diet.

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10a. Re: New dog, feeding question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:04 pm ((PDT))

Not necessarily. The canine stomach is designed to stretch and hold many
pounds of food at one time, then take a rest to digest it all. There is no
evidence to suggest that feeding multiple small meals lessens the chance of
bloat or that large meals increase the chance of bloat.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Jaala" <vaughanjaala@aol.com>

Im confused? wont letting dogs "gorge" increase chances of bloat?

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10b. Re: New dog, feeding question
Posted by: "Kaitlin Fraser" fraserk7@hotmail.com fraserk7
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

Then why is it that pretty much every professional will tell you to feed in
several smaller meals to prevent bloat?
And that dogs are more commonly dignoised with bloat with large meals then
small?

It's hard to do a study when dogs die from it and it's not a long term
thing. But from What I've read, heard and semiars I've been to... they get a
lot smaller ratio of dogs with bloat after a small meal then a large meal.

Kaitlin Fraser
Prince SJA therapy dog, CGN
Jester SJA therapy dog CGN
Wenlisa's Command Performance HIC, CKC majorPTd "Malo" A work of art in
progress.( Raw Fed, )
Sheep's Kin Unusually Unusaul Kiska- Another work of art in even more
progress.( Raw fed)

No dogs are vaccinated in my home.

" No one can walk into a room and bring as much joy, happyness and love as a
single dog can"

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11a. Re: Pregnant and off feed
Posted by: "Gail Edmond" windybond1@yahoo.co.uk windybond1
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

Havent bred myself but my friend who breeds her bitch always go's off her food and she uses that as a sign that she is pregnant.

Gail

----- Original Message ----
From: Renate <renate.tideswell@gmail.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 8 October, 2007 12:17:36 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Pregnant and off feed

We are in about the 3rd week of raw. I had introduced some pork ribs in
addition to the chicken. Suddenly 3 days ago, Bella my shih tzu bitch who
is 3 weeks pregnant, stopped eating. I just kept taking it away and
bringing it back. As far as I know she's eaten nothing except maybe cat poo
in 3 days. I'm getting worried now. In these circumstances should I
persist? I tried sprinkling her chicken with garlic (which she usually
loves) and she still wouldn't eat it. She's been sleeping a lot but that
started a couple of weeks ago and I put it down to the pregnancy. She only
weighs about 9lbs, so I am quite concerned at this point. Should I try
feeding her something else? If so, what? She is quite a prima donna, so
at first I wasn't concerned too much, but this is going on a bit.

--
Renate
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12. NEED MORE ADVICE - BOWEL DISTRESS FOR MOLLY
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone...

I posted to the group last Friday about my 1 year old wheaten terrier
Molly who was having her first episode of explosive diarrhea and
vomiting after being on raw for 2 weeks. It was suggested that I
might have introduced variety a bit too fast (a beef meal with a dab
of liver was fed Thursday morning) and that I should step back and
just stick with plain chicken and edible chicken bones.

Well, I skipped Molly's feeding on Friday to give her system a rest.
Her system had calmed down...bowels and stomach empty...and then I
gave her a very small meal on Saturday morning of chicken breast with
a bit of bone still attached. Sunday I fed her more of the same.
The chicken came from a whole organic chicken and had no enhancements
and I trimmed away much of the excess fat to avoid stressing her
system. Molly had her first bowel movement Sunday afternoon. It was
small and started firm and then changed to runny. Since then she has
continued to have liquid bowel movements. Also, I am finding nickel-
sized gelatinous stool droppings in my house. Her stool is so runny
and mucousy that she is "leaking". (Thank God I ripped up the carpet
this year and put down hard wood floors...lol.)

I'm trying to stay calm, but I am getting a bit worried. Any advice
for me??? Is it normal to have this kind of reaction to the raw food
now even after she has had no issues in the two weeks prior to this
episode? Anyone out there experience this with their new to raw
dog? How long can I expect this to go on before she adjusts? My 2
yr old wheaten Riley has been eating identical to Molly and his
system is handling it all perfectly...not a single loose stool.

Thanks, in advance, for your help.

Nancy

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13a. Re: overweight PWD
Posted by: "Gail Edmond" windybond1@yahoo.co.uk windybond1
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

Just bought a bag of dried up tripe strips for treats, totally natural and the dogs love them, they do smell still though

Gail

----- Original Message ----
From: Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 8 October, 2007 3:01:51 AM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Re: overweight PWD

>You might not want the stomachs, which is tripe, and SMELLS. But it too, is good
>for dogs

I agree! It is not amagical food item but i think,it is goodaddition to menu.

With curiousity of waht tripe really does to dog,I found an article about it on www.greentripe. com, and it was interesting.

If anybody still not reading about tripe articles on the site,you may find it interesting to read.

It said it would give,energy up and skin and coat improvement and,it has enzyme in it to help digest food waht dog eats with tripe,and not only that,tripe has acidphilus?? umm,,
the probiotic agent often found in Yogurt,so, tripe can work like probiotic too.

Probably not as effective as Slippery Elm or probiotic itself but,it said it has it.

The smell made me nausea but,it was worth. my dog likes it and feel great to know i giving her good stuff for body.

yassy

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14. FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

Hi to the group...

I noticed several posts indicating some of you feed more than once a
day. I was wondering if it is OK to feed once a day in the morning
like I do or is there a compelling reason with this model of eating to
feed twice a day.

Thanks,

Nancy

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