[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12134

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Pregnant and off feed
From: Renate
1b. Re: Pregnant and off feed
From: Renate

2a. Chicken Necks
From: Marci
2b. Re: Chicken Necks
From: carnesbill
2c. Re: Chicken Necks
From: Roseann
2d. Re: Chicken Necks
From: costrowski75
2e. Re: Chicken Necks
From: Kaitlin Fraser
2f. Re: Chicken Necks
From: Andrea
2g. Re: Chicken Necks
From: costrowski75
2h. Re: Chicken Necks
From: katkellm

3a. Re: pup swallowed raw rib bone
From: Andrea

4a. Re: new puppy-new raw feeder
From: Andrea

5a. Re: New dog, feeding question
From: Andrea
5b. Re: New dog, feeding question
From: Jaala
5c. Re: New dog, feeding question
From: costrowski75

6a. beef tongue
From: pamela flock

7a. Re: Please help, Pom is itching!!
From: Andrea

8a. Re: Thanks for the advice... raw on a budget?
From: Andrea

9a. Re: overweight PWD
From: costrowski75

10a. fast results?
From: andrew_schoener
10b. Re: fast results?
From: costrowski75

11. Pup off feed
From: harrynala

12a. {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!
From: Brandi Bryant
12b. Re: {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!
From: Jenny S
12c. Re: {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!
From: gevan1a

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1a. Re: Pregnant and off feed
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:43 am ((PDT))

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That's so encouraging, Jenny. Congrats on the puppies. They sound
wonderful.

I tried to give Bella a bit of pork and a bit of chicken today, wouldn't
take it. So I brought it in and seared it and set off the fire alarm, but
she wouldn't take it again. What I suspect is that we started raw so
recently that she's probably had morning sickness and now associates the
two. I'll try her on some turkey later. I just want her to eat. The other
two are really doing great. I think I'll give Bella a break for a while and
try again in a few days. She can have turkey dinner after we have ours. I
know she'll eat that.

Renate

On 10/8/07, Jenny S <jenken69@shaw.ca> wrote:
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> Hey Renate I know what you are feeling I to was very worried when my
> Shiz-Tzu went off her feed for a few days . She was about 3-4 weeks into her
> pregnancy but I let her be and let her eat when she was ready she came
> around after a couple days . we have had a few on and off food days I
> wouldn't worry to much. ive had Tila on raw now for a few months and she has
> her off days ...(she just gave birth to 4 awesome pups Thursday evening )
> they are all doing well and she is eating like a pig these days prob 2 x her
> usual feedings again all raw ..im a bit worried as to what to do when the
> pups start on food im sure their new homes wont be feeding raw :(
> Sleeping as well she did allot of for awhile then later when she was just
> to big to do much lol she is about 9 lbs and went up to over 15...and aren't
> they little drama queens heehee ...good luck with the puppies they are so
> awesome ,already they have gotten bigger so we must be doing something right
> ...
> Jenny S
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34YjdBCu8I( Fun in the pool) way to
> funny..
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1b. Re: Pregnant and off feed
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 7:02 am ((PDT))

Thank you, Giselle. I just gave her a heap of gastro. No problem there.
gobbled it
> up. I'll try to thaw some beef and see if she'll eat it. I've
been so tied
> up the last 2 days doing shows and with a foster that suddenly
developed
> seizures. I've been watching her, but I haven't been able to be
here all
> day. Tomorrow is turkey, and I'll try her with some raw and if she
won't
> take it, cooked. She's always been diva-Bella so at first, I
figured I just
> got too much pork in there, but thank you, I will pamper her for
now and
> save the tough love for later.
> Renate

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Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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2a. Chicken Necks
Posted by: "Marci" twilli55@tampabay.rr.com mtm1will
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:45 am ((PDT))

Is it ok to feed labs chicken necks? I mean they are not too small are
they? The store had them super cheap so I grabbed some but got to
thinking after about their size. And those are considered raw meaty
bones right? Excuse me if this sounds stupid-i'm kind of new to this :-)

Marci--mommy to 2 yellow labs Spencer 1yr(but only about 65 pounds)
and Zack 2yrs (heffer at 100+ lbs)

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2b. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 7:03 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <twilli55@...> wrote:
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> Is it ok to feed labs chicken necks?

No

> I mean they are not too small are they?

Yes

> And those are considered raw meaty bones right?

Yes, but way too small to feed any but the very smallest of dogs.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2c. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "Roseann" rgabrys@wyan.org gaiabreeze
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:06 am ((PDT))

> > Is it ok to feed labs chicken necks?
>
> No
>
> > I mean they are not too small are they?
>
> Yes
>
> > And those are considered raw meaty bones right?
>
> Yes, but way too small to feed any but the very smallest of dogs.

Why??? My Great Dane just chomped down two pounds of them for her
breakfast. Certainly they should digest quite easily and they're too
small to be a choking hazard (unlike say a drumstick) so why wouldn't
you advise feeding chicken necks? She'll get something with more meat
for supper, maybe a pound and a half of pork steak (they're sort of like
thin chops with no bone).
Thanks, Roseann

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2d. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

Roseann <rgabrys@...> wrote:
> Why??? My Great Dane just chomped down two pounds of them for her
> breakfast. Certainly they should digest quite easily and they're too
> small to be a choking hazard (unlike say a drumstick) so why wouldn't
> you advise feeding chicken necks?
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Because!!!
Did you read what you wrote? TWO POUNDS of chicken necks for
breakfast? Do you understand that's two pounds of mostly bone hitting
bottom with ZERO advance warning for the digstive sysem? Talk about
fire in the hole!

Dogs need very little dietary bone to maintain optimal health. So
mostly likely those two pounds were useful (although probably excessive)
in the most basic way. But dogs also need bone to scrub their teeth.
Enzymes don't do it, mush doesn't do it, bones that slide right on down
don't do it.

What cleans teeth is abrasion. The bone (the stick, the Nylabone, the
bully stick, the rawhide, the toothbrush, you name it) has to come in
contact with the teeth. At the least, bones should be able to clean
the premolars and molars, and will massage the gums. At their best,
bones deliciously clad in meat will clean the molars and premolars,
engage and clean the inscisors, engage and clean the canines, clean
under the gumline and massage the gums. Not to mention off a bang-up
good time.

Chicken necks except for cats or the smallest dogs do none of that.

If all you want to get out of edible bones is nutrition, well, you're
there. However, you're missing the boat on virtually every other
aspect of raw feeding. I recommend you relegate the necks to the soup
pot and start feeding your GD multi-purpose whole or half chickens,
pork shoulder roasts, lamb shoulders, lamb or pork legs, turkey
quarters, whole fish.
Chris O

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2e. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "Kaitlin Fraser" fraserk7@hotmail.com fraserk7
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:24 am ((PDT))

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The first person I ever knew to fed Raw owns a Saint Ber. And feeds a lot of
chicken necks...

Kaitlin Fraser
Prince SJA therapy dog, CGN
Jester SJA therapy dog CGN
Wenlisa's Command Performance HIC, CKC majorPTd "Malo" A work of art in
progress.( Raw Fed, )
Sheep's Kin Unusually Unusaul Kiska- Another work of art in even more
progress.( Raw fed)

No dogs are vaccinated in my home.

" No one can walk into a room and bring as much joy, happyness and love as a
single dog can"

>From: Roseann <rgabrys@wyan.org>
>Reply-To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Chicken Necks
>Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:26:57 -0400
>
>
> > > Is it ok to feed labs chicken necks?
> >
> > No
> >
> > > I mean they are not too small are they?
> >
> > Yes
> >
> > > And those are considered raw meaty bones right?
> >
> > Yes, but way too small to feed any but the very smallest of dogs.
>
>Why??? My Great Dane just chomped down two pounds of them for her
>breakfast. Certainly they should digest quite easily and they're too
>small to be a choking hazard (unlike say a drumstick) so why wouldn't
>you advise feeding chicken necks? She'll get something with more meat
>for supper, maybe a pound and a half of pork steak (they're sort of like
>thin chops with no bone).
>Thanks, Roseann

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2f. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:24 am ((PDT))

Anything that can be swallowed whole is a choking hazard to me. Dogs
might start out chewing them politely, but it just takes one time for
stupid eating. Not worth the risk, IMO.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Roseann <rgabrys@...> wrote:

> Why??? My Great Dane just chomped down two pounds of them for her
> breakfast. Certainly they should digest quite easily and they're
> too small to be a choking hazard (unlike say a drumstick) so why
> wouldn't you advise feeding chicken necks?

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2g. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:40 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...>
wrote:
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> ***MODERATOR'S NOTE: TRIM YOUR MESSAGES OR THEY WILL BE DELETED.***
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> The first person I ever knew to fed Raw owns a Saint Ber. And feeds
a lot of
> chicken necks...
*****
And your point is?
Chris O

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2h. Re: Chicken Necks
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:06 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...> wrote:
> The first person I ever knew to fed Raw owns a Saint Ber. And feeds
a lot of
> chicken necks...

Hi Kaitlin,
Good thing you joined this list because you can help her St. out by
explaining to the St.'s owner that chicken necks are too small and too
bony for all but the smallest of dogs. You can explain that they are
a choking hazard and bombard an empty stomach with way too much bone
to digest comfortably. If she feeds lots of chicken necks to a dog
that size, her dog has been robbed of the mental, physical, and dental
benefits that a raw diet should offer. You could explain to her that
chicken quarters, halves or a whole bird would make her dog a much
better meal. When i first started to research raw diets for dogs, i
though chicken necks were great food because all the Barf style diet
sites recommended them, so your friend just might be feeding veggies
to a carnivore, too. Honestly, with all the food parts out there they
just score a zero on everything except the fact they are food. KathyM

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3a. Re: pup swallowed raw rib bone
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:49 am ((PDT))

She'll be fine. If the bone doesn't digest fast enough for her liking
she'll hork it up.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:

> My pup swallowed a raw (approx) 7" spare rib bone before I could
> get it away from her. She is about 50+ pounds.....
> She is raw diet now since Sept 26 (not long) i.
> Do I need to be concerned enough to seek vet attn?

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4a. Re: new puppy-new raw feeder
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 7:17 am ((PDT))

If the pup can hold it until she gets outside it is probable that her
digestion isn't quite right just yet. How many meals has she been
getting a day and how big are the meals? It could be she's eating too
much food at once. She isn't getting ki**le anymore, is she?

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lorikschaff" <lorikschaff@...>
wrote:

> My 8 week old GSD who I brought home yesterday, had one "logs" poop
> last night and then this morning a smooshy pile, and then twice
> today brown watery.

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5a. Re: New dog, feeding question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 7:17 am ((PDT))

> How much do you let your large dogs eat on the gorge days?

I plunk down some food and let Geiger eat until he walks away then
survey the damage afterwards. He was really food obsessed when he was
getting fed every day and I took the food away when he had eaten
enough. Once I started letting him eat his fill he really calmed down
about food. Geiger ended up with loose stool after the first big meal
but his stomach quickly got with the program.

Andrea

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5b. Re: New dog, feeding question
Posted by: "Jaala" vaughanjaala@aol.com central_tx_angel04
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 7:57 am ((PDT))

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Im confused? wont letting dogs "gorge" increase chances of bloat?
~~Jaala

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5c. Re: New dog, feeding question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

"Jaala" <vaughanjaala@...> wrote:
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> Im confused? wont letting dogs "gorge" increase chances of bloat?
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Since there is no certainty about the causes of bloat, the answer to
your question can quite safely be no and yes.

There is absolutely nothing that implicates whole large hunks of raw
food. Maybe the studies haven't gotten there yet, maybe it doesn't
happen.

It is more likely that a dog with a chest that's notably deeper than
the breed standard may be more susceptible to bloat, in which case
the owner may want to feed in whatever way the owner feels
comfortable. But there's no good evidence that deep-chested breeds
in general are any more prone to bloat. So if you own a deep chested
breed there is no particular reason to worry more than would anyone
else.

The dog's stomach is built for eating whole raw meats and is ready
for action. Its stomach is not built to digest kibble. So,
disregarding any other reason, feeding species appropriate food in
any amount is likely to be less invasive than kibble fed in any
amount. Beyond the potential for kibble to be a factor in bloat, you
also have to look at individual health, genetic health, activity,
stress and of course the depth of each dog's chest as it measures up
to the breed standard.

Oh the other hand, sh** happens.

When I was still feeding kibble, I had a little, hyper, Lab with a
chest/groin relationship that was ALL outta whack with the breed
standard. Her undercarriage looked like that of any self-respecting
sighthound. So. She ate kibble (in measured amounts twice a day),
she was hyper, she had a chest any Playmate would be proud to
flaunt. Three significant issues with bloat, four if you count all
the shots she got as a babe and I have no idea what sort of bloat
existed in her pedigree.

She bloated twice before she was a year old. Neither event was
remotely linked to her diet. When I moved her some years later to
raw she benefited I do believe from raw body parts because a. she had
to slow down, b. raw food is more easily digested, c. working on a
large meatwad or meaty bone is mentally as well as physically
gratifying.

Chris O

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6a. beef tongue
Posted by: "pamela flock" pamelaflock@yahoo.com pamelaflock
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 7:55 am ((PDT))

I have a 13 month old boxer who has been eating raw for 2 months. I just got a huge cow tongue. I know it is considered muscle meat, not organ, but how big of a piece should I feed him the first time? I did precut it into sections approx 2 inches high & 3 inches wide.
Thanks,
Pam

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7a. Re: Please help, Pom is itching!!
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 7:57 am ((PDT))

First thing you should look at is the chicken. One of my dogs gets
itchy if he eats chicken that has been enhanced (injected with some
sort of mystery broth). If the chicken is minimally processed you
can try switching to pork to see if that helps. It's pretty rare for
dogs to have an allergy to a raw protein, but it is possible.
Finally you could try adding some fish oil to her diet.

Something to remember, allergy tests are based on cooked proteins, so
dogs who test positive for beef will likely not have a problem with
raw beef. I'm highly allergic to raw pineapple but I can eat cooked
pineapple without fearing for my life.

Treats is treats, as long as they don't take up meal space you can
use whatever kind of treats you like.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Ashley Myers <miragehairsalon@...>
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> I hope someone has a clue as to why my Pom, (3yr) is itching, more
> than ever.

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8a. Re: Thanks for the advice... raw on a budget?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 7:57 am ((PDT))

> Well I tried my dogs on the raw food last night and boy did they
> love it.

Excellent! You have successfully completed step one!

> Ok tell me how do you guys cut the chicken.

As little as possible (= Really. A good sharp knife or some poultry
shears are my weapons of choice

> How do I know how much to give them. I know for my dog size its 1
> lb each but how do I know how much that would be.

When you go shopping try to get birds that are close to 4lbs each.
That way each quarter will be a meal's worth.

> Should I give them vegetables with it?

Nope.

> I just dont know what I should start with first.

You're doing great. Start with chicken and go from there.

> The cat was very picky he wouldnt eat the raw meat I'm going to try
> him on a little chicken tonight see if maybe he might like the
> chicken instead.

If the cat won't eat the raw make sure he still gets his regular
food. You can't do tough love with cats, they really need to eat
every day. We have a sister list, rawcat, that is a great resource
for people with finicky cats.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawcat

Andrea

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9a. Re: overweight PWD
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 8:27 am ((PDT))

"Jess Navarro" <jess.hamway@...> wrote:
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> Why is it important to cut the fat off of chicken? I've never done
this.
*****
It's relevant if weight is a significant issue. Since it would be both
silly and unhealthy to try to remove all the fat in a dog's diet,
removing the subQ dangly fat is generally a fair enough compromise.

Plucking subQ fat in a newbie dog's menu can be an effective way to
reduce digestive distress.

If there's no reason to pluck it, don't.
Chris O

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10a. fast results?
Posted by: "andrew_schoener" andrew_schoener@yahoo.com andrew_schoener
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:06 am ((PDT))

I have been raw feeding my 7 month brittany pup for about a week. His
breath has no odor, nor his coat. And it seems like his toe nails are
growing faster than before.

Are fast results common? Or am I just seeing things knowing he is raw
fed.

BTW I have some leftover high quality kibble laying around, and for
fun I put some in a toy just to see what would happen. He didn't
bother with the toy. Interesting.

Andy

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10b. Re: fast results?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 9:41 am ((PDT))

"andrew_schoener" <andrew_schoener@...> wrote:
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> I have been raw feeding my 7 month brittany pup for about a week. His
> breath has no odor, nor his coat. And it seems like his toe nails are
> growing faster than before.
>
> Are fast results common? Or am I just seeing things knowing he is raw
> fed.
*****
Nails and hair can grow faster with heathier food since there's more
nutritional support over all for the dog. However, it's a good bet you
er paying more attention now than you used to. People who never gave
stools a thought are micro-managing every bowel movement their dogs
have, so it would not be unusual for you to be a. noting things that
weren't previously noteworthy, and b. noting changes that occur in a
healthy animal.

FWIW, I find I am trimming my bangs on the same schedule as my dogs'
and cat's nails. I guess we're all in it together.
Chris O

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11. Pup off feed
Posted by: "harrynala" michelle@synertex.co.uk harrynala
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:37 am ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

My 10 month old female seemed to have an upset tummy just over a week
ago, bit of sickness, off food, desire to eat lots of grass etc.

Anyway, I was closely monitoring her and saw a live worm in her grass
poo (that's all it consisted of, pure undigested grass), so promptly
dewormed her with DrontalPlus. No more worms came out as far as I
could tell and sickness stopped.

Since then, she's been real picky, eating some meals, eating half a
meal and completely leaving others.

She'll happily consume all of her mutton ribs, will eat half of her
chicken quarters and half of her lambs head, yet totally leaves her
beef and organ meals.

This is really unlike her as she's always had a huge appetite. All
other aspects are fine, bright, lively, poos fine, not visibly losing
any weight etc.

Not sure if I should be worried, or whether she's just naturally not
needing all the food now she's got rid of her worm?

Not sure how to proceed really. Not much point going to the vet as I
live in rural Bulgaria where veterinary care is still a bit primitive
when it comes to the finer points!

Anyone had any similar experiences?

Many thanks in advance
Michelle

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12a. {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:43 am ((PDT))

My Whippet mix who's not quite 10 months old hasn't come into heat, yet!
I'm not really all that concerned, because she's eating, she playing and
acting normal. Has anybody else experience this? Oh, and the male dogs
that I do have are fixed.

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Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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12b. Re: {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!
Posted by: "Jenny S" jenken69@shaw.ca jenken69
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:56 am ((PDT))

I wouldnt be concerned our Shiz-tzu didnt have her first heat till she was 16 months old and it was xmas eve she started ,.yuck lmao...and was 7 months later for her second which we had her bread on she just turned 2 n has her first litter now
Jenny S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34YjdBCu8I( Fun in the pool) way to funny..

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12c. Re: {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!
Posted by: "gevan1a" gevans@sycomtech.com gevan1a
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 11:11 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
wrote:
>
> My Whippet mix who's not quite 10 months old hasn't come into heat,
yet!
> I'm not really all that concerned, because she's eating, she playing
and
> acting normal. Has anybody else experience this? Oh, and the male
dogs
> that I do have are fixed.

I wouldn't be concerned in the least. I'm no expert, but the of the
female dogs that I know none has come into their first heat eariler
that one year old. I've heard they can be as late as two years or as
early as six months. I don't think the male dogs being neutered would
have any effect on her cycle.

-George

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