[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12127
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: First week feeding raw
From: Tina Berry
1b. Re: First week feeding raw
From: Michael Moore
2a. Re: where to feed/towels (was Is This Natuutal? (MEREDITH)
From: Laurie Swanson
2b. Re: where to feed/towels (was Is This Natuutal? (MEREDITH)
From: Roseann
3a. Re: How can I crush bones but NOT grind them ?
From: Tina Berry
3b. Re: How can I crush bones but NOT grind them ?
From: girlndocs
3c. Re: How can I crush bones but NOT grind them ?
From: Bumble1994@aol.com
3d. Re: How can I crush bones but NOT grind them ?
From: Jamie Dolan
4a. A report
From: Tracy Meal
4b. Re: A report
From: costrowski75
5.1. Re: pork country ribs (was Fasting)
From: Laurie Swanson
5.2. Re: pork country ribs (was Fasting)
From: katkellm
6a. Re: Pork neck whole?
From: Cdandp2@aol.com
7a. Re: Is This Natuutal? (MEREDITH)
From: girlndocs
8a. Re: A good raw-inspired chew?
From: temy1102
8b. Re: A good raw-inspired chew?
From: costrowski75
9a. Re: Time Limit? (MEREDITH)
From: Giselle
10a. Re: there's no denying the evidence! I t really works!!
From: Giselle
11a. Re: Wolf goes fishing for salmon
From: Giselle
11b. Re: Wolf goes fishing for salmon
From: PK Shader
12a. First Week
From: rlayt
12b. Re: First Week
From: costrowski75
13. {Raw Feeding} An idea on how to get meat - brainstorming?
From: Brandi Bryant
14.1. Re: Fasting
From: costrowski75
15a. Re: Urinary Question
From: costrowski75
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1a. Re: First week feeding raw
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))
"Yes, the bile vomit is because he is expecting morning breakfast. It will
go away in a few days when he realizes it isn't coming. I prefer to feed
adult dogs once a day since it gives you the opportunity to give them big
things like whole chicken."
I was feeding mine around the same time every evening; Ruger was the only
one who would vomit bile; how I feed them still in the evening, but it
varies about 4 hours at different times and no one has vomited bile since.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com
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1b. Re: First week feeding raw
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))
>>I've found myself, more than once, taking a quarter of a chicken from his mouth and
having to hold it so he will rip it apart. I don't know how to get
him to lay down and use his paws. Any suggestions? ? <<
Tracy -- not all dogs lay down *or* use their paws. No reason your Lab has to! And truly, there is no need for you to hold a chicken quarter so he will rip it apart! If he's swallowing huge pieces, give him even larger pieces! Larger than his head is a good "rule of thumb."
>>The other problem is that he had runny stools for about 3 days then
solid for 2 days (which I was very pleased to see). But now today
its runny again. We haven't changed anything since begining so I'm
not sure what the problem is or if I should be concerned.<<
Some dogs' systems take a little while to "adjust" to rawfeeding. This is not a big issue. If it continues, try removing the skin from the chicken. Often helps.
-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio
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2a. Re: where to feed/towels (was Is This Natuutal? (MEREDITH)
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))
Hi Roseann,
How about a washable blanket or towel on the floor or even on top of
her big pillow? I do a towel on top of the living room carpet. Very
easy to train them to keep their food on a surface like that, too.
Just put the food down on the towel and when they pick it up and take
it off the towel, casually put it back on. Use a word cue if you
want. They learn pretty quick.
Laurie
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Roseann <rgabrys@...> wrote:
I thought about bringing her big
> pillow into the kitchen in case she wanted to lay down and spend some
> time with her bones (so far only chicken) but I can't imagine how I'd
> clean the pillow up afterwards.
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2b. Re: where to feed/towels (was Is This Natuutal? (MEREDITH)
Posted by: "Roseann" rgabrys@wyan.org gaiabreeze
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 7:51 pm ((PDT))
Laurie Swanson wrote:
> How about a washable blanket or towel on the floor or even on top of
> her big pillow? I do a towel on top of the living room carpet. Very
> easy to train them to keep their food on a surface like that, too.
> Just put the food down on the towel and when they pick it up and take
> it off the towel, casually put it back on. Use a word cue if you
> want. They learn pretty quick.
Thanks Laurie, that would probably work well since she was 'trained' to
eat her biscuits on the pillow. So far, she just sort of stands with
her head down so that the meat doesn't slide down her throat but falls
out of her mouth onto the floor if she loses a grip on it. Then she
just picks it up and goes back to working it again. The biggest
positive I've already noticed from the change in diet is her teeth are
becoming whiter. She only licked her very premium nuggets of
unmentionables and never chewed and even though she's only about two,
her teeth looked like they belonged to a much older dog. The other
apparent change is how shiny her coat is getting. Not to boast but she
literally has been stopping traffic when we're out walking when folks
pull over to comment on how beautiful she is.
Roseann and Mecka, the high-profile Great Dane
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3a. Re: How can I crush bones but NOT grind them ?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))
I may have missed this, but why are we crushing bones?
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com
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3b. Re: How can I crush bones but NOT grind them ?
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 4:15 pm ((PDT))
Hi Jen,
> I've found that my dog with teeth problems and 2 of my cats do best
> with wings especially but can/will only eat them if they are crushed.
> This is way too much work for me
I'm weaning my cats to raw and so far they're still intimdated by a
whole wing but they'll tackle one with the bone whacked, so I sympathize.
I put them in a sturdy Ziploc, lay it on my floor and whack the
bejeezus out of them with a regular old hammer.
They won't slide around if you kind of pin them in the corner of the
bag so they have nowhere to go. Watch your fingers -- and be careful
you don't burst the bag and send a smashed chicken wing shooting
across your floor :)
Kristin
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3c. Re: How can I crush bones but NOT grind them ?
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 4:15 pm ((PDT))
I probably didn't do nearly the smashing job that you've been doing--I
whacked it a couple of times with a hammer while it was between 2 folds of cloth
in the kitchen sink! After the second time I offered bone a little smashed up,
my cats figured out how to do it themselves. Give them the chance! (And
remember, cat = patience.)
Lynda
In a message dated 10/5/2007 4:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
"never_connected" writes:
I've found that my dog with teeth problems and 2 of my cats do best
with wings especially but can/will only eat them if they are crushed.
This is way too much work for me as I have to go outside and wack and
hack the thing up on the cement
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3d. Re: How can I crush bones but NOT grind them ?
Posted by: "Jamie Dolan" jamiedolan@gmail.com jamiedolan
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 4:16 pm ((PDT))
> thanks.. already tried running them over but haven't tried it this way..
I was just trying to infect a bit of humor since you said that you
already tried running them over. Sorry my sence of humor isn't always
easy to understand. But seriously I would try it with some boards,
and I bet it will work.
> Any particular mallet? I was using a rubber one from Home Depot and
> the thing sucks. I was going to just buy a metal one. lol.
Yes a metal one.
or
Or maybe you just need to try and give them some more time to chew up the bones?
Good Luck
Jamie
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4a. A report
Posted by: "Tracy Meal" hiddenpoetinme1@yahoo.com hiddenpoetinme1
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))
HI Carol,
You wrote:
I have a question about egg shells. I see that people feed them and
assume they are for calcium? I split one of my duck eggs among the
four of them usually (the duck eggs weigh about 3 oz each), how would
I feed the shells too? I can save shells from when I cook too. Can
someone give me a "heads up" about feeding egg shells? Why? How? How
much? sort of thing?
I have 2 Rotties that like raw eggs alot. I just break the egg in half and put the shell and egg over top of the ground or chunked meat for my older dog. (They only get chunks or ground with 1 egg, once a week) The pup likes to play with the shell, so I break it into smaller pieces so she can lick it up with the egg.
Tracy
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4b. Re: A report
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 8:18 pm ((PDT))
Carol Dunster <cedunster@...> wrote:
>> I'll have to pick up something with bones soon though. Hard to do
when
> you don't shop much. On the other hand, they haven't been getting
> bones and they've survived quite a few years already, a couple of
> weeks won't kill them, I'm sure.
*****
They've been getting kibble which is fully loaded with calcium.
That they've survived for a few years on kibble is good enough.
> I have a question about egg shells. I see that people feed them and
> assume they are for calcium?
*****
You can use egg shells for calcium if there's no other source of it
in the diet but feeding bone-in body parts pretty much eliminates
that need, don't you think?
In order for egg shells to be an effective source of calcium, they
must be ground up and added to the meat as a supplement. Otherwise
most of the shell will pass right on through and you will see flecks
of it in the stool. People mostly feed egg shell because they are
part of the egg. Whether the dog eats them is up to the dog.
Chris O
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5.1. Re: pork country ribs (was Fasting)
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))
Roseann and all,
I'm not that comfortable with pork country ribs--I thought I'd double-
check as to what you all think. I usually recommend against them due
to the bone shape/size/sharp, sawn, pokey edges/points. I've heard
others recommend against them. But I think there also was a post or
two about people whose dogs do fine with them.
You can always cut the bone out, of course.
Is there any consensus?
Laurie
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Roseann <rgabrys@...> wrote:
I did grab a pack of pork country ribs off of the
> super sale shelf. Personally, I don't eat mammals so I'm not sure
what
> constitutes "country ribs" but there doesn't seem to be much bone
in the
> package.
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5.2. Re: pork country ribs (was Fasting)
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 4:16 pm ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
Is there any consensus?
Hi Laurie,
I bet there is no consensus. I think that its probably a "know thy
dog" thing, and if it is, there probably shouldn't be one. I
personally feed them but only if they are longer than my hand. There
is one store here that sells them really short-for a largish type dog,
and i think they are in invitation for a dog to swallow whole-
actually happened to me once, but my aussie got it to go down on her
own-and that's when the size rule came to be. One store sells them
where they are really long with lots of meat, so i guess its also a
"know thy pork country ribs" kinda thing. As far as the pointy bone
edges, this is just how i see it, when your dog chews any kind of a
bone it can naturally end up with of sharp edges and the dog
digests it just fine. I don't have a rebuttal for the concern that
the heat of the saw partially cooks the bone - i don't even know if
that is true. My dogs like them, and i feed them. KathyM
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6a. Re: Pork neck whole?
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 3:28 pm ((PDT))
Andrea,
I think it was a whole heart or a liver that he originally choked on. He
chews it from one end to the other to get it soft and enlongated and stringy
since he doesn't appear to be able to tear (no front teeth) and then he kind of
slurps it down like a long glob (sorry for the graphics). But one part was
still really thick and the whole thing just got jambed up in there and it
looked like he couldn't breathe.
Now a question about that "one meal" comment regarding the roasts?? My guy
is 25 lbs and eats about a half lb of meat per day. The roasts are typically
over 3 lbs each right? ??
thanks for responding,
Carol
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7a. Re: Is This Natuutal? (MEREDITH)
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 4:15 pm ((PDT))
Hi Meredith,
> yes, I'm saying she carries the WHOLE thigh around the house....=]
Zoe eats her meals in her crate (so I can feed the cats at the same
time) but for impromptu snacks I just want her to stay in the laundry
room with them.
I take the food to the laundry room and of course she follows me
eagerly. I give it to her in there and if she tries to walk out with
it I gently take it away from her, point in the laundry room, say "eat
in THERE" and lead her back in with it.
She's to the point now where I can just point and say "eat in THERE"
and she'll turn around and go back in.
They learn tout de suite where food is concerned.
Kristin
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8a. Re: A good raw-inspired chew?
Posted by: "temy1102" ahn.tammy@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 4:20 pm ((PDT))
my chewers got lots of pig feet and stuff like that in their crates or
in the backyard. indoors, i just went through all different kinds of
rubber chewy toys until i discovered what they like best. some like
the flossy action of rope toys while others liked to disassemble them.
on the whole though, rubber toys were pretty great especially the
flavored kinds. my favorite is the mint as it's not as weird as
having a rubber bone sitting around the smells like chicken. but i
had a mini dachshund who would determinedly nibble on HUGE hard rubber
toys until the corners crumbled, so it depends on your dog's chewing
styles.
i also use bully sticks and moo tubes and depending on the dog they
can last up to 1/2 hour. maybe you could keep a canister of bully
sticks around the house and when they start chewing on a table leg or
something, give them one.
hope that helps!
-tammy
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8b. Re: A good raw-inspired chew?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 8:10 pm ((PDT))
Kathie Middlemiss <geekgirl717@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I don't know if my pups are just mouthier than others or
what.
>
> They've been gnawing the heck out of a pork shoulder for a few
meals and
> still come in looking for something else to chew.
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Do you mean real pups as in youngsters or are you using the term
affectionately? IMO pre-teething pups can mess with bones that
would be questionable for dogs with permanent teeth. Big bones with
scraps of meat left on (beef knuckles come to mind, as do pork neck
bones and even femurs) might be baby-sitter material.
If you mean adult dogs, continue letting them gnaw the heck out of
pork shoulders. I think many people rely on bully sticks; they're
pricey but I guess compared to dental work they aren't so bad. I
think knuckles are iffy and femurs (soup bones) are definitely out.
My BC is happy with lamb shanks, and meaty pork arm and blade
bones. My heathen golden bitch prefers to chew recreationally on
her big Kong and the boys seem content with the bones they get in
the body parts I feed them.
Chris O
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9a. Re: Time Limit? (MEREDITH)
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 5:42 pm ((PDT))
Hi, Meredith!
YQW!
TC
Giselle
> That was very helpful...Thank you so much!!
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10a. Re: there's no denying the evidence! I t really works!!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 5:49 pm ((PDT))
Yup. Yup!
See, it DOES matter what you feed your dogs, and the form you feed it! ^_^
I hope you made your husband smell your dog's nasty breath, too! ; )
How he could not object to the reek and appearance of cr*p-in-a-can
instead of to nice clean fresh frozen raw meat and bones?
Marisa, if there's a next time for hubby having to feed your dogs, you
could plan raw meals and package them in a way that would make it easy
for him, so he wouldn't have the touch the 'icky stuff'.
1) Bag meals individually for each dog. This way, he only has to dump
the portion out in front of the dog, not touch it.
2) Label them with each dog's name, date and time of day to feed.
3) Give him the option to feed frozen, partially frozen, meatless or
ground meals.
4) If you don't already, teach the dogs to eat on an old towel or
blanket. your hubby can put these down in their eating places, then
fold them up for later use. No 'dog dishes' or clean up!
5) Don't plan to have him feed organs or other items he might find
'icky'. A few days, or even a few weeks, of not eating organs won't
harm the dogs.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
> Hi, I'm Marisa, I happily raw feed my 3 dogs since the 2nd of may
> 2007, up to now, I've had no problems and the dogs are always looking
> forward to their daily feed.
> The other day I had to go in hospital for 3 days, and since I'm the
> one who takes care of my dogs and feed them, my husband found excuses
> of not being able to touch and select their daily portion
<snip>
> Any way, to make things brief, I went out and bought just the
amount of canned food for 3 days!!
<snip>
I noticed he had a heavy breath that I'd
> never smelt before, so I picked up the Pinscher and noticed the same
> thing. Their teeth, in only 3 days, were covered in a soft orange
> substance!!! Is it possible in such a short time??'
> I soon put things right with giving them their raw food to eat and
I also helped them with an old tooth brush and just clean water.
> Regards MARISA
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11a. Re: Wolf goes fishing for salmon
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 6:42 pm ((PDT))
I found this article, and a couple points it makes interesting.
It points to the diversity in regional subspecies of the Grey Wolf,
and also the diversity in their regional, as well as seasonal, diets.
Island Wolves - a species apart
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/features/257feature1.shtml
this is from a 2002 article by Matt Jackson
"Earlier in the summer, the sailboat Nawalak and its crew of
naturalists, biologists, and First Nations researchers had, by some
fluke, stumbled onto this magical inlet. Tired after a day of
bushwhacking and following game trails in search of wolf scat, they
were suddenly jolted awake when an adult wolf and five pups appeared
along the shore less than 30 metres from the boat. They exchanged wolf
calls with the pack, then went ashore the next day for a closer look
at the estuary. Once on shore, they found well-defined wolf trails
criss-crossing the tidal flats, dozens of headless salmon along the
riverbanks, and a plethora of other wolf signs.
Oh, and the scat--endless bags of it, all to be carefully labeled,
preserved, and shipped down to the Conservation Genetics Laboratory at
California's UCLA. Once at the lab, a team of geneticists apply
cutting-edge technology to examine the mitochondrial DNA sequences in
live cells pulled from the waste. Scat has only a few stray cells,
scraped from the intestinal tracts of wolves as they digest their
food. Fortunately, this new technology permits scientists to pull DNA
from the scat and has now provided convincing evidence that coastal
wolves have unique genetic characteristics not found in their
continental brethren.
This is how it works. From the wolf research that has been conducted
to date, roughly 35 different DNA haplotypes have been identified in
global wolf populations. A haplotype is best described as a miniature
recipe, and hundreds of these miniature recipes (or sequences) exist
on even a small section of the DNA strand. To distinguish variation,
geneticists are looking for haplotypes that differ from those found in
sequences from other wolf populations. Of course, some haplotypes are
shared by all populations of a species, while others exist in only a
few different populations. Finally, there are those haplotypes that
are endemic or rare and can be found only in specific populations.
"What's exciting about coastal wolves is that we've found four or five
haplotypes that haven't been identified anywhere else on the
continent," says Darimont. This doesn't mean that these haplotypes
don't exist in other wolf populations or that all coastal wolves share
these same genetic characteristics; however, it is entirely possible
that wolves living on the West Coast are unique and have been evolving
in isolation over several millennia.
This is what scientists refer to as evolutionary potential--subtle
differences in the genes that may allow wolves on the coast to
continue evolving along different lines than wolves living elsewhere.
In other words, wolves evolving in relative isolation on the coast may
have the genetic tools to better adapt to changing conditions over
time--conditions specific to the West Coast rainforest."
AND
"Another behavourial difference on the West Coast, apparently relates
to the diet of coastal wolves. While it's true that Sitka black-tailed
deer are their staple food source year-round, it has been thought for
some time that salmon are also important to their diet. How important,
nobody knew. Recent evidence pulled from scat samples suggests that at
least 25 percent of a wolf's diet in autumn is protein-rich salmon,
though more recent field observations suggest that certain packs may
depend even more heavily on salmon for food. "We watched three packs
this fall sitting on salmon rivers day and night, eating salmon almost
exclusively," says Ian McAllister of the Rainforest Conservation
Society. "Their reliance on salmon is obviously far greater than we
originally ever would have thought."
In contrast, the seemingly unusually restricted diet of the Isle
Royale wolves in Lake Superior in Michigan;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolves_and_Moose_on_Isle_Royale
I didn't find much about salmon poisoning in the wolves in the Pacific
NW coast;
http://web.uvic.ca/~reimlab/wolfsalm.pdf
"The pooled mean capture rate was 21.5 salmon/h and mean efficiency
(successes/attempt) was 39.4%. In most cases, wolves consumed
only heads of salmon, perhaps for nutritional reasons or parasite
avoidance. Preying on salmon may be adaptive, as this nutritious and
spatially constrained resource imposes lower risks of injury compared
with hunting large mammals. We infer from capture rates and
efficiencies, as well as stereotypical hunting and feeding behaviour,
a history of salmon predation by wolves and, as a corollary, a broad
distribution of this foraging ecology where wolves and salmon still
co-exist."
TC
Giselle
> Pictures of a wolf engaged in fishing for salmon in Alaska were
published today in the Seattle
> Times. Although rarely seen before, the wolf proved quite adept.
>
> Article:
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003923837_wolf04.html
>
> Pictures:
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/zoom/html/2003923838.html
>
> So what's the deal about Pacific salmon being dangerous to dogs when
fed raw?
>
> --Basil Bourque
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11b. Re: Wolf goes fishing for salmon
Posted by: "PK Shader" Forloveofdogs@gmail.com forloveofdogs
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 7:50 pm ((PDT))
Nice work Giselle. Very interesting
PK
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/SATZ_Main/
Two Sided Communication, Cooperation, Respect
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12a. First Week
Posted by: "rlayt" rlayt@bresnan.net rlayt
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 7:48 pm ((PDT))
Thanks for the support and information everybody! Things are going
great with the last couple of days having the dogs strictly on raw
chicken. I found a deal on Tyson antibiotic and hormone free chicken
so I've been chopping away! The only problem isn't a problem yet. The
problem will be that the Tyson chicken has no giblets, feet, neck etc.
So in a couple of weeks I will need to supplement with organs of some
kind. Will chicken gizzards be enough or does anyone have
recommendations on other animal organs?
Robin L.
Helena MT
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12b. Re: First Week
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 9:07 pm ((PDT))
"rlayt" <rlayt@...> wrote:
The
> problem will be that the Tyson chicken has no giblets, feet, neck
etc.
> So in a couple of weeks I will need to supplement with organs of
some
> kind.
*****
That means you have several weeks to get this apparent shortage
straightened out. Plenty of time, actually. You have longer than
several weeks if it comes to that. Some on this list suggest skipping
organs for at least a month. While I think this is altogether
excessive avoidance, it certainly indicates time is not of the essence.
Will chicken gizzards be enough or does anyone have
> recommendations on other animal organs?
*****
Gizzards are muscles, not organs. Heart is fed an muscle meat, though
it often takes more getting used to than gizzards do. The organ you
would be looking for is liver. Liver you can buy separately; hearts
and gizzards are usually available together in a jumble, with gizzards
ruling the mix.
Necks are no loss, frankly; feet if you want to feed them are
typically available from ethnic grocery stores and, lacking that
resource, in cases from meat wholesalers. You might find simply
skipping the feet to be the most efficient choice for the nonce.
Chris O
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13. {Raw Feeding} An idea on how to get meat - brainstorming?
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 7:51 pm ((PDT))
I just come up with this idea, what if you made poster/flyers - like the
ones that you see the people wanting to sell something and they have their
name and number down at the bottome of the page on littl cut outs! Could
you do something like that but say that you're looking for meat and that
you'll come and pick it up?
Something like at the groomers and vets offices?
Good/Bad -----thoughts??
Thanks
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Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com
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14.1. Re: Fasting
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 8:28 pm ((PDT))
Roseann <rgabrys@...> wrote:
I
> have no doubt they do "throw it away" rather than shipping it back
to
> anywhere.
*****
What they have, corporately, is a contract with a renderer that
takes the meat to Dogfood Land. Mom and Pop shops are more likely
to work a deal with you; the meat dudes with the chain stores have
little to say in the matter. Best you're likely to get from them
are "day of" markdowns. I have gotten some pretty fine "day of"
markdowns by knowing when to hit what storees.
I'm not sure what
> constitutes "country ribs" but there doesn't seem to be much bone
in the
> package.
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Country ribs are not ribs but rather are slices of a shoulder blade
roast. For some dogs these thin bone slices are just the right
shape for stupid eating. I think of them as swords for swallowing
and do not feed them to my retrievers. Others may feel more
comfortable with them. IMO there are enough other pork parts to
keep my dogs occupied. The meat of course is dandy.
Chris O
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15a. Re: Urinary Question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 8:52 pm ((PDT))
"Kevin Brown" <jerseykev@...> wrote:
>
> My younger OEM pup - is not actually on raw yet. I was waiting
till
> 17 weeks old
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And the only reason you switched your older pup at that age is you
hadn't known to do it earlier. I suggest the sooner you get a pup
on raw, the most variety you can introduce will less "problems".
There is nothing to be gained by waiting.
> I got her on cranberry bladder stuff, just to be on the safe side.
>
> any comments, advise or suggestions would be appreciated.
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Christie Keith wrote an article about urinary tract infections for
the San Francisco Chronicle webpage SFGate. I suggest you read it
pronto. The short of it: Don't guess. Get it checked out.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
f=/g/a/2007/09/05/petscol.DTL
Chris O
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