[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12121

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Raw and ethical/animal cruelty concerns
From: Giselle

2a. Re: Fresh Pork? Safe?
From: Tina Berry
2b. Re: Fresh Pork? Safe?
From: Laura Atkinson
2c. Re: Fresh Pork? Safe?
From: nwohiopma
2d. Re: Fresh Pork? Safe?
From: Jamie Dolan
2e. Re: Fresh Pork? Safe?
From: Sandee Lee

3a. Smoked Turkey as treats??
From: Virginia Snider
3b. Re: Smoked Turkey as treats??
From: costrowski75

4a. photos for comparison
From: Roseann

5a. Re: Puppy Scare
From: girlndocs

6a. Re: Diabetic Diet
From: VBSUSAN

7a. Re: MO - Raw feeders?
From: Vicki
7b. Re: MO - Raw feeders?
From: Michelle Grabert
7c. Re: MO - Raw feeders?
From: Denise and David Spotila
7d. Re: MO - Raw feeders?
From: betty hinson

8a. Re: Newbie predator question
From: Sonja

9.1. Re: newbie
From: andrew_schoener
9.2. Re: newbie
From: costrowski75

10. poo'n'bones
From: T Smith

11. My update
From: T Smith

12a. Re: Size Appropriate Meaty Bones for Large Dogs
From: Anna Labriola
12b. Re: Size Appropriate Meaty Bones for Large Dogs
From: Sandee Lee

13a. Re: newbie need advise on starting
From: Sandee Lee
13b. Re: newbie need advise on starting
From: costrowski75

14a. Re: Some thoughts/questions
From: Giselle

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1a. Re: Raw and ethical/animal cruelty concerns
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 3:10 pm ((PDT))

Hear Hear!!!

Well put, Kristin and I agree with your points totally!

This is a keeper.

This is a related article, I think, and another reason not to support
the pet food industry;
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/magazine/02pet-t.html?pagewanted=all
http://tinyurl.com/2nyhgj

TC
Giselle

> I sympathize entirely with those who are concerned or conflicted about
> supporting the commercial meat industry by buying meat for their dogs.
>
> The point has already been made on this list that by buying kibble we
> would be supporting the exact same industry, only getting lower
> quality and less appropriate food for our pets as a result of "selling
> our souls".
>
> I was reading at Rawfed.com today and found another reason for those
> of us concerned about animal cruelty to not support the kibble
> industry. Apparently the "nutrition" testing for new types of pet food
> is horribly inhumane and involves keeping dogs and cats under
> miserable conditions and feeding them a monotonous (and probably
> wholly inadequate) diet to basically see if they die or not.
>
> According to Rawfed:
>
> "The animal testing for pet foods is unusually cruel, as demonstrated
> by the recent charges brought against Iams/Eukanuba for animal
> cruelty. Lock tester dogs in cages, feed them nothing but the same
> food for 6 months, and see if they survive (oh wait, two dogs can die
> during the trial but the food can still be marketed). If they do, then
> the food is marketed as 100% complete and balanced for that life
> stage, although the testing does not serve to examine long-term
> nutritional relationships or long-term health or the relationship
> between that food and disease."
> http://rawfed.com/myths/rebuttal5.html#teeth
>
> It seems to me like even with the animal cruelty involved in the
> commercial meat industry, the weight of ethical consumerism comes out
> on the side of raw feeding: raw feed and support an industry in which
> animals for meat are treated inhumanely, or kibble feed and support
> both an industry in which animals for meat *AND* animals used for
> testing are treated inhumanely.
>
> Those of us with a concern for ethical consumer choices should also
> remember that buying kibble often supports businesses with unethical
> practices. For example, Purina is owned by Nestle, and I personally
> don't purchase any Nestle-owned products because of their hideous
> violations of the WHO's code for formula marketing and general
> sabotage of breastfeeding mothers in third-world countries.
>
> In and of itself selling "pet food" is dishonest of these companies
> because they're attempting to pull the wool over our eyes and make an
> additional profit by re-selling us the waste from other divisions,
> getting us to pay for byproducts and discards that we've already paid
> for once in the form of the food products we buy.
>
> Last but not least, there's environmental impact to consider, and the
> more processed a food is, the more environmental impact it's made. I'm
> aware of the many environmental sins of agribusiness but I choose
> less-processed agribusiness meat over agribusiness meat that's been
> raised, shipped once to the slaughterhouse, shipped again to the
> food-producing plant, processed, shipped again to the pet-food plant,
> processed once again, packaged and shipped yet again to distributing
> centers and stores.
>
> I hope this has been helpful and any thoughts are welcome.
>
> Kristin

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2a. Re: Fresh Pork? Safe?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 3:16 pm ((PDT))

"But your reasoning is a tad skewed."

True. It was store bought pork roast; and they were tapeworms. I'll just
stick to venison, turkey, chicken in that order ;-) hopefully we will fill
our 3 freezers with plenty of wild game to last the summer this time.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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2b. Re: Fresh Pork? Safe?
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 3:25 pm ((PDT))

Dogs get tapeworms from injesting fleas carrying them. They could have
gotten a mouse with fleas or anything else.

On 10/4/07, Tina Berry <k9baron@gmail.com> wrote:
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> "But your reasoning is a tad skewed."
>
> True. It was store bought pork roast; and they were tapeworms. I'll just
> stick to venison, turkey, chicken in that order ;-) hopefully we will
> fill
> our 3 freezers with plenty of wild game to last the summer this time.
> --
> Tina Berry - MT
> Kriegshund German Shepherds
> Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
> www.kriegshundgsds.com
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--
Laura A
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Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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2c. Re: Fresh Pork? Safe?
Posted by: "nwohiopma" nwohiopma@yahoo.com nwohiopma
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 3:49 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

I feed fresh pork about 3 times every two weeks. I've never frozen it
and haven't had a worm problem.

My butcher says pigs for slaughter are now fed inside, since the 70's,
and that drastically reduces trich in pork. The CDC says they rarely
see pork trich anymore, they see it in people eating bear meat.

FWIW. :)

Candace and the 4 Collies

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2d. Re: Fresh Pork? Safe?
Posted by: "Jamie Dolan" jamiedolan@gmail.com jamiedolan
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 5:01 pm ((PDT))

>
> So it comes down to what farmer let the pig eat.
> Maybe you can ask the farmer?

HI;

This famer keeps the bigs in large open barns, but they are fenced
off, so the pigs can not get out of the barn. So while they could
have perhaps found a thing or two to eat other than there food a mouse
perhaps, they were mainly eating organic feeds.

Now, I am getting another hog later this month / early next month.
Thoses hogs will have been free roaming "pastured" and have spend
there lives outside, althought in a fenced in area.

I wonder how much I have to worry, does Trich cause a lot of problems
for healthy dogs? Are the other works a big problem or are they the
kind of thing that gets nuked with one round of a dewormed if you have
to...

Jamie

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2e. Re: Fresh Pork? Safe?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:11 pm ((PDT))

Candace,

Your butcher is absolutely correct. Trich is about nonexistent these
days...and worms aren't often the result of diet.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "nwohiopma" <nwohiopma@yahoo.com>

I feed fresh pork about 3 times every two weeks. I've never frozen it
and haven't had a worm problem.

My butcher says pigs for slaughter are now fed inside, since the 70's,
and that drastically reduces trich in pork. The CDC says they rarely
see pork trich anymore, they see it in people eating bear meat.

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3a. Smoked Turkey as treats??
Posted by: "Virginia Snider" vsnider@cogeco.ca rawbglass
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 3:49 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

I have been offered a lot of fresh smoked turkey breasts. Is this ok to
feed to my Pug?

Trkey is ok with him, but I am not sure about the "smoked" part.

I was thinking to slice it up and dehydrate it for treats.

TIA,

Virginia

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3b. Re: Smoked Turkey as treats??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:48 pm ((PDT))

"Virginia Snider" <vsnider@...> wrote:
>> I have been offered a lot of fresh smoked turkey breasts. Is this
ok to
> feed to my Pug?
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Not as real food, no. As treats used conservatively, they probably are
okay if you don't overdo it. If used properly, these turkey breasts
will last you a loooong time.

> Trkey is ok with him, but I am not sure about the "smoked" part.
*****
Smoked is cooked is not what you want to feed in raw diet. You were
right to question the smoked part.

> I was thinking to slice it up and dehydrate it for treats.
*****
If that works, fine.
Chris O

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4a. photos for comparison
Posted by: "Roseann" rgabrys@wyan.org gaiabreeze
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 3:50 pm ((PDT))

> BTW, dogs don't often use their front incisors for eating, often just
> for grabbing, or nibbling, so they can work the part back to one side
> or the other and let those strong shearing teeth take over.
> Here's a couple links to interesting (to me!) pics of wolf and dog teeth;
> dog - this has a great explanation of what each type of tooth is for,
> and how the dog uses it, despite their use of coyote skulls for
> comparisons.

Interesting since today I had hopes of looking up photos of wolf
'droppings' to compare them to my Great Dane's poop. I'm becoming a
student of poop! Wonder if I'll ever be able to consider myself a
professor...
Roseann

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5a. Re: Puppy Scare
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 3:50 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Jan.

> I'm using a meat tenderizer to pound the heck out of the bones I'm
> giving her now.)

I advise you take a moment the next time you do this to poke around in
that chicken thigh and see what the bone fragments you create are like.

They are -- drum roll please -- VERY SHARP.

Kristin

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6a. Re: Diabetic Diet
Posted by: "VBSUSAN" vbsue@comcast.net VBSUSAN
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 4:36 pm ((PDT))

BG, this is not typical that the blood glucose levels would elevate
with rawfeeding ... typically one should be on the lookout for
decreased sugar levels and the possibility of too much insulin
(hypo'ing which is insulin shock) when pulling all the carbs out of the
diet. Perhaps in your case you were experiencing a rebound affect.

I, too, have a diabetic cat, and rawfeeding her saved her life! She has
now been diabetic for 5 years and is healthy and beautiful. I test her
blood sugar levels myself twice a day before she gets her insulin ...
her average blood sugar level is 145 now, often going a couple of days
in the normal range and needing no insulin at all! This means after all
these years her pancreas has rejuvenated enough that it is working on
its own at least part of the time ... this has my anti-rawfeeding vet
absolutely confused! It is against everything he was ever taught ... 5
years ago he said that rawfeeding would kill her ... oops!

Sue

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7a. Re: MO - Raw feeders?
Posted by: "Vicki" vicki@gaynicholsaccounting.com vixndogs1
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 4:36 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Staley" <pam@...> wrote:
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> Is there a list or does anyone know of MO raw - feeders? I've found a
> source that can supply 500-1000lbs of free meat - hearts/livers/
> kidneys ect ect... need to spread it around :-)
>
> Pam
> Wright City, MO
>
I am here in Spokane, MO, just south of Springfield and would be very
interested...

Vicki

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7b. Re: MO - Raw feeders?
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 5:01 pm ((PDT))

Wow. I wish I was in MO. michelle
Pam Staley <pam@tlcnaturally.com> wrote: Is there a list or does anyone know of MO raw - feeders? I've found a
source that can supply 500-1000lbs of free meat - hearts/livers/
kidneys ect ect... need to spread it around :-)

Pam
Wright City, MO

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7c. Re: MO - Raw feeders?
Posted by: "Denise and David Spotila" brookside_casa@yahoo.com brookside_casa
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 5:01 pm ((PDT))

Me too! I live near Jefferson City MO. Let me know!

David and Denise Spotila

Brookside Casa
Standard Poodles
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Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people.
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7d. Re: MO - Raw feeders?
Posted by: "betty hinson" b_hinson@sbcglobal.net paps4jesus
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 5:53 pm ((PDT))

I live in arkansas but coming to the springfield dog show in Oct. Would be i nterested
Betty Hinson
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8a. Re: Newbie predator question
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 4:37 pm ((PDT))

Although I don't have much experience when it comes to witnessing a predator/prey relationship in mammals, I used to dive in an aquarium (large sharks included) with a bucket of chum attached to me to feed the other fish. The sharks were fed a varied diet including whole squid and mackeral, and they never bothered the other fish. If they were hungry, of course they'd eat the fish in the tank, but we're talking about a WILD animal with fine tuned abilities. They never ate the other fish because they were never hungry. I guess my point is, even if a dog has an instinct to kill for food, they probably won't bother livestock if they're well fed. If a dog has a strong prey drive and kills for the fun of it, then that is an issue totally seperate from the diet and isn't a behavior that will magically appear once the dog has eaten raw.

Then there's my dog....who loves chasing rabbits but would probably tuck her tail in and run to me if she ever caught up with it. She found a dead crow once and plaintively whined at it when it wouldn't throw her ball back to her. She licked a spider to death a few days ago and then nudged it and whined when it stopped moving....it got stuck in her nose and she sneezed it out and left it alone after that. She's a killer, I'm tellin' ya.....

Sonja

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9.1. Re: newbie
Posted by: "andrew_schoener" andrew_schoener@yahoo.com andrew_schoener
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 5:53 pm ((PDT))

re: the bones - what I meant was that I was curious if he would break
and swallow the bones or would he gnaw and not down the bones at all.
In fact, it looked like he gnawed bits and swallowed it all. No
traces left.

re: the wing only - I was more curious to test his taste for chicken.
My plan? I was in the grovery store and lamb necks were on sale.
That was my 1st meat purchase for him. He liked the lamb necks -
about 1" thick. But I learned that these are not ideal because
there's a tiny bone in them, and it's small enough that I think it's a
choking hazard. To hard to chew and break and too big to swallow.

This morning, I have him a lamb neck and took the bone away when that
was all that was left. I won't get more lamb. After work, I picked
up a whole chicken (on sale) and cut it into 10 pieces (2 wings, 2
drum sticks, 2 thighs, 2 breasts in halves = total 10 pieces) because
it was a real big chicken. Almost a small turkey in size. Also, I am
not sure how much to feed as I am feeling that out. In hindsight, he
could have easily done more than the big wing, but the rest was
already in the freezer. I'll just do mroe tomorrow. He seemed
satisfied and wasn't all over me begging for food tonight.

Tonight - no signs of upset stomach. I think my pup has an iron
stomach. He'll eat anything - and I mean anything - he finds. So I
suspect giving organs or another meat will not make him feel yuk, as
long as the taste is ok for him.

Tomorrow? More chicken. And I need to find a source for organs
outside of Boston. Hey, maybe an egg

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9.2. Re: newbie
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 9:05 pm ((PDT))

"andrew_schoener" <andrew_schoener@...> wrote:
>> In fact, it looked like he gnawed bits and swallowed it all. No
> traces left.
*****
What a champ! A chomp champ for sure. I think your Brit pup has
real star potential.

>But I learned that these are not ideal because
> there's a tiny bone in them, and it's small enough that I think
it's a
> choking hazard. To hard to chew and break and too big to swallow.
*****
Small bones can indeed be a problem. Even for dogs that take their
time, at some point the bone will be ready to swallow, at least in
the dog's mind.

I won't get more lamb.
*****
Oh, you should! Really. Just don't get that. Lamb is wonderful.
If I had access to livestock of my choice, my choice would be goat
and lamb. Consider lamb shanks and lamb breasts and whole, unsliced
lamb necks. Lamb shoulder roasts are very nice as well. Lamb heart,
kidney and tripe are terrific.

Also, I am
> not sure how much to feed as I am feeling that out. In hindsight,
he
> could have easily done more than the big wing, but the rest was
> already in the freezer. I'll just do mroe tomorrow. He seemed
> satisfied and wasn't all over me begging for food tonight.
*****
IMO you are using the right criteria to decide amount so keep it up.
Adjust as needed.

> Tonight - no signs of upset stomach. I think my pup has an iron
> stomach.
*****
Like I said: a raw star in the making.

> Tomorrow? More chicken. And I need to find a source for organs
> outside of Boston. Hey, maybe an egg
*****
Yup, you got yourself a plan. Way to go.
Chris O

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10. poo'n'bones
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 5:53 pm ((PDT))

Casper pooped out yellowish runny & pieces of bone today. Like half a 3"
leg bone (I could identify them)
Is his stomach acids just not quite up to par yet?
Trina

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Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)

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11. My update
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 5:54 pm ((PDT))

I was worried about my dog only having a few teeth but she does well with
the raw chicken (and fingers if you aren't careful).
My little teenie Lhasa with deformed front legs is doing very well. Mind
you she cannot tug like the others since those front legs don't 'hold
anything down' but she is using her back teeth sideways to chew.
Little Whisper hasn't had another seizure. I think the beef & the seizure
were just coincidental.
My house sounds like a Dane-train thunder-storming-earthquake with all their
new found energy! (THANKS MAGGIE lol) We are all taking bets on when they
will fly out the front living room window with all their energy (like a
cowboy bar in the good ole' days)!
BUT, the park people are certainly noticing the difference in them.
They are eyeballing my guinea pigs but no attacking :-) I think the meat
eating hasn't made them ferocious *s*
I'm still screwing up on their food because they go from good poo to runs,
but one of these days I'll get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have two more to put on raw but for now, I cannot switch them.
Trina
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Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
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12a. Re: Size Appropriate Meaty Bones for Large Dogs
Posted by: "Anna Labriola" taggartgalt@yahoo.com taggartgalt
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:01 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sjhansler" <sjhansler@...> wrote:

> Can someone suggest what might be "size appropriate" for meaty
> boness - for chicken and then for meat other than chicken.

Just wanted to chime in; I'm currently feeding my 55 pound doberman
puppy a whole turkey. I scored a 17ish pound turkey for 85 cents a
pound, with innards and neck. Now, he does limit the size of his own
meals. But, today is Thursday, I've been feeding him the same turkey
almost every meal since last Saturday. It's starting to get a little
gamey, but there isn't much left. :o) That's my idea of a big
meal!!! You should see him: eat, work on the turkey, then snore on
his bed. Like Thanksgiving....

Anna and Khan(27 weeks)

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12b. Re: Size Appropriate Meaty Bones for Large Dogs
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:05 pm ((PDT))

Anna, how cute! Hope you have lots of pictures! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Anna Labriola" <taggartgalt@yahoo.com>
Just wanted to chime in; I'm currently feeding my 55 pound doberman
puppy a whole turkey. I scored a 17ish pound turkey for 85 cents a
pound, with innards and neck. Now, he does limit the size of his own
meals. But, today is Thursday, I've been feeding him the same turkey
almost every meal since last Saturday. It's starting to get a little
gamey, but there isn't much left. :o) That's my idea of a big
meal!!! You should see him: eat, work on the turkey, then snore on
his bed. Like Thanksgiving....

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13a. Re: newbie need advise on starting
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:09 pm ((PDT))

Jessica,

I would go cold chicken! :)) Start out slow with one protein source for a
few days or a week, not a lot of variety or too much food at one time.
Don't worry about detox....she'll be fine.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "firedestroyer2001" <firedestroyer2001@yahoo.com>

Hello my name is Jessica and I would like some tips on feeding my 12
pound 8 month old shetland sheepdog a raw diet what do you recommend I
start with? chicken? I have read som article on raw feeding and I am a
little worried about the detox phase I really dont want runny poo
everywhere is their away to avoid it? should I mix raw with kibble at
first or should I just switch her cold chicken different sites tell you
different things so now I am just confused HELP!!!! thank you

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13b. Re: newbie need advise on starting
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:39 pm ((PDT))

"firedestroyer2001" <firedestroyer2001@...> wrote:
what do you recommend I
> start with? chicken?
*****
As good a place as any, yes. Easy to get, easy to pay for, easy to
digest.

I have read som article on raw feeding and I am a
> little worried about the detox phase
*****
There is no such thing as detox or else every bump, zit, tear, belch,
hiccup, fart, "irregular" stool, yawn or blister is also detox. I
would argue for everything being detox instead of only special,
specific effluents being detox.

Beyond that, the most common cause of loose stool is feeding too much.
Too much food, too much fat, too much new. The easiest way to minimize
loose stools is to feed meals of an appropriate size or perhaps
smaller, to feed more meals rather than fewer, to keep it simple.

No one wants runny poo but it's not bad. Just inconvenient. What's
bad is artifical stool hardeners that kibble uses.

should I mix raw with kibble at
> fir
*****
Nope, no sense in prolonging the insult of kibble.

or should I just switch her cold chicken different sites tell you
> different things so now I am just confused HELP!!!!
*****
You pays your money and you takes your choice. Since the advice on
most lists is free, you really do need to make your own decision. If
you are eager to get kibble out of your pup's life, then you'll want to
move to raw as quickly as you can. If there are other reasons for
feeding raw, then you must take them into consideration.
Chris O

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14a. Re: Some thoughts/questions
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:12 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Fiona!
Welcome to raw feeding!

The Tamaskan is an interesting looking breed, very wolflike.

You've gotten some great advice, already.

The only thing I have to add is a link to a UK supplier of frozen
whole prey;
http://www.livefoods.co.uk/

There may be other suppliers, but this is the only one I've been able
to find in the UK. Rodentpro, in the US, offers guinea pig also, but I
don't see that on the livefoods site.

Feeding some large whole rabbits, rats and hamsters could add the
protein variety, liver, other organs and fur, skin and other body
parts you want to add to your dog's diet. When you feed whole prey,
the meat to bone to organ ratio is perfect for each animal.

If you've the space, and the inclination, you could look into raising
one or more of these type of animals for your dog.

Chicken is, too often, a staple here at my house, too. I stock up on
turkeys when they come on sale, pork shoulders or fresh hams. Those,
and chicken, provides many boneless and some bony meals for my dog.
Beef heart, or any heart, is good meatymeat too. I even buy ground
beef, uh, mince, when it is too cheap to pass up, and freeze portions
with pork neck bones or the like, and feed it frozen, or partially so.

The Lis List is a terrific resource;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/139618
Post #139618
I'm sure you can use the ideas compiled there to spark some ways for
you to find more protein variety.

Tripe, if you can get it, can be mixed with liver. Dogs usually go
crazy for it.

HTH
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hello everyone. This is my first post. I have a 15 month old
> Tamaskan dog (Ayasca)who I have been feeding raw since he was around 4
> months (Barf - sorry, I know its a bad word).
<snip>
eg chicken
> quarters, pork ribs, ox-tail, lamb chops, pork chops, etc. Probably
> not enough meat by your ratios? I am in the process of (hopefully)
> acquiring some intact (fur on) rabbits from someone. He also has the
> odd mouse when he catches one.
>
> Probably should say the Tamaskan is a rare breed - mix of Siberian
> Husky/Malamute/GSD, so Ayasca would probably be classed as a large dog.
>
> Any comments/advice would be gratefully received.
>
> Thanks
>
> Fiona and Ayasca

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