[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12131

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: How do you calculate?
From: bluegracepwd
1b. Re: How do you calculate?
From: Loraine Jesse

2a. Re: Raw and ethical/animal cruelty concerns
From: woofwoofgrrl
2b. Re: Raw and ethical/animal cruelty concerns
From: great_dane_devotee
2c. Re: Raw and ethical/animal cruelty concerns
From: carnesbill

3a. Re: raw food
From: carnesbill
3b. Re: raw food
From: costrowski75
3c. black tarry poop
From: Caren OConnor

4a. Re: Feeding Tripe
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Expired meat looks iffy!
From: costrowski75
5b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Expired meat looks iffy!
From: Brandi Bryant

6a. new puppy-new raw feeder
From: lorikschaff
6b. Re: new puppy-new raw feeder
From: Giselle

7a. Re: overweight PWD
From: macluerssen
7b. Re: overweight PWD
From: Giselle

8a. Re: Coat has strong, disagreeable odor
From: tantelin22@aol.com

9a. File - Admin-Trim it, Sign it, and Sig lines-PLEASE READ!!!
From: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com

10.1. File - Other related lists
From: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com

11a. Re: Thanks for the advice... raw on a budget?
From: Giselle

12. Croaker/Other Fish
From: Brigitte Greenberg

13. Pregnant and off feed
From: Renate

14a. Re: List on Freecycle
From: Mona

15a. Incontinence
From: Diane Schneider

16.1. new to raw
From: firedestroyer2001

17. rawfeeding in winter vs summer
From: timbretown

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1a. Re: How do you calculate?
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 6:50 am ((PDT))

Hi Christina,

ok, I'm not in Melbourne Florida, but I am in Melbourne Australia,
or near abouts!

I've been feeding raw to my animals for a long time, and not once
have I ever measured any ratios of bone to meat etc.

Chicken thighs are great.

So, can I suggest, be a little bit easier on yourself, and relax
with it. That's one of the great things about feeding raw - there
is a lot of leeway involved.

Check out my website and I have a couple of documents you can
download (for free of course), with info that can help you:

http://www.bluegrace.com/resources.html

it will also detail the types of meat that you could possibly feed.

And a pit bull requires no different food types to what I feed my
two toy poodles, my ferrets, and my cats!

cheers

Jane

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1b. Re: How do you calculate?
Posted by: "Loraine Jesse" rothburg@hotmail.com loraine_jesse
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 3:15 pm ((PDT))

Bill,
You make it all sound so simple, then again feeding raw really is simple.
Loraine Jessewww.rothburgrottweilers.com
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2a. Re: Raw and ethical/animal cruelty concerns
Posted by: "woofwoofgrrl" cmc4lists1@gastrounit.com woofwoofgrrl
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 6:50 am ((PDT))

This is an interesting perspective that I have never heard before.
I would love to see any references!
Thanks!
Christinew

> world.
>
> If you want to go ahead and eat your ogranic food and free ranging
> chickens and pasture raised cattle go ahead. If everyone ate like
> that there would not be nearly enough food for even 10% the people
> in this country today.
>
> Instead of whining and crying about agribusiness committing such
> evils, you should be thanking them for feeding the world.

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2b. Re: Raw and ethical/animal cruelty concerns
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 7:36 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
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Without them millions of people would be starving every day. Without them we
> could not possibly produce nearly the amount of food to feed even
> the people in this country let alone the other hungry poeple in the
> world.

> Instead of whining and crying about agribusiness committing such
> evils, you should be thanking them for feeding the world.

Well said, Bill. This is a point that many forget. Thanks for standing up for what many
believe.

Libby

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2c. Re: Raw and ethical/animal cruelty concerns
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 1:26 pm ((PDT))

+++Mod Note: please take this discussion to raw chat or private. +++++

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, woofwoofgrrl <cmc4lists1@...> wrote:
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> This is an interesting perspective that I have never heard before.
> I would love to see any references!

You don't need references, you just need to know how to think and
reason. My brother raises chickens. He has 16 chicken houses. Every
9 weeks he raises from hatchlings to ready for slaughter 50,000
chickens per house. That works out to be around 800.000 chickens
every 9 weeks which totals about 4.5 million chickens/year. This is
one farm among many thousands around the country. How many mom & pop
farms with chickens running around the yard free ranging would it take
to produce the 4.5 million a year that just my brother alone
produces? As you can see, without the factory farms, it would be
impossible to produce nearly enough chickens for world consumption.

Now, think about cattle. How many cows are eaten in a day? I have no
clue but I'm sure the number is staggering. It takes one acre of
pasture feeding a cow for 2 to 3 years to make one cow ready for
slauter. You just can't feed the world like that. There isn't enough
acres.

It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3a. Re: raw food
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 10:24 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kennysgirl7"
<chesneygirl007@...> wrote:
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> Hey guys I forget to add something else about the raw food. I
bought
> some beef marrow bones from the foodstore. Do I just give them to
the
> dogs?

Basically you shouldn't feed beef marrow bones. They are too hard
and can and often do chip or break teeth. They also wear teeth
down. Chewing on a marrow bone is kinda like chewing on sandpaper.
Your dog will get more than enough bone chewing in his regular
diet. No need to add more bone.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3b. Re: raw food
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 10:41 am ((PDT))

"kennysgirl7" <chesneygirl007@...> wrote:
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> Hey guys I forget to add something else about the raw food. I bought
> some beef marrow bones from the foodstore. Do I just give them to the
> dogs? My husband thought they might be messy and he didnt want the
dogs
> going into the living room with it. Will they eat the marrow and the
> bone and all or should I let them take this out on my deck to eat
this?
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What you do is toss them. They are sections of cow legs--weightbearing
bones that supported as much as 2000lb. These can be used as weapons!
They are NOT toys. They are dental accidents waiting to happen, their
sharp edges can slice a dog's gums or lips or cheeks.

Scrape out the marrow, if you want, and feed that; toss the bones.
Chris O

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3c. black tarry poop
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 4:08 pm ((PDT))

List members -
Please excuse the graphic nature of this post, but after feeding organ meat, what is the reason my dogs' poops are black, tarry, and thick?
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

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4a. Re: Feeding Tripe
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 10:26 am ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> >Some people feed tripe to the exclusion of other food. I would not
recommend this.
>
> Hi,Chris.What does this sentence mean??
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It means some people consider green tripe the perfect food and feed
only that. I cannot recommend this sort of diet.
Chris O

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5a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Expired meat looks iffy!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 10:34 am ((PDT))

"Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...> wrote:
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> I just went to pick up the expired meat and it really looks BAD.
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Compared to what you would feed yourself or compared to what your
dogs can safely eat? Big difference I think.

"Really brown" is, effectively, rusted meat. If it's old but not
notably smelly, I think feeding is called for without another worry.
If it's ripe, you have decide what your limits are.

I have purchased (or retrieved from the fridge or from a box sitting
out--lonely and forgotten--on a freezer) some pretty ripe meat and
while I did rinse the stuff for my own sanity I did nothing special
to it for the dogs and they were perfectly pleased. Most
importantly, none of them have ever had digestive distress from
aromatic meats.

It truly is up to you. I'd wager many people sell their dogs short
but you have to live with your choices so do what you think is best.
Chris O

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5b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Expired meat looks iffy!
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 12:08 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Chris - I divided it all up among my 4 and so far so good, and it
didn't smell really that bad. :)

Thanks again you are the best! I wish I knew half of what you know! But
I'm learning - thanks to you and the rest of this group!!!

Brandi

On 10/7/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
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> "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...> wrote:
> >
> > I just went to pick up the expired meat and it really looks BAD.
> *****
> Compared to what you would feed yourself or compared to what your
> dogs can safely eat? Big difference I think.
>
> "Really brown" is, effectively, rusted meat. If it's old but not
> notably smelly, I think feeding is called for without another worry.
> If it's ripe, you have decide what your limits are.
>
> I have purchased (or retrieved from the fridge or from a box sitting
> out--lonely and forgotten--on a freezer) some pretty ripe meat and
> while I did rinse the stuff for my own sanity I did nothing special
> to it for the dogs and they were perfectly pleased. Most
> importantly, none of them have ever had digestive distress from
> aromatic meats.
>
> It truly is up to you. I'd wager many people sell their dogs short
> but you have to live with your choices so do what you think is best.
> Chris O
>
>
>

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Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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6a. new puppy-new raw feeder
Posted by: "lorikschaff" lorikschaff@yahoo.com lorikschaff
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 11:07 am ((PDT))

I picked up my 8 week old GSD puppy yesterday. The breeder had kibble out all the time for
the pups. She seems to like the chicken thighs since she's had two so far.
1. How often should I put food out for her?
2. Do I need to keep water available in her crate at all times?
3. When should I introduce other meats?
Thanks for any advice.

Lori and Baby Athena

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6b. Re: new puppy-new raw feeder
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 2:21 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Lori!
Yes! Fresh water that is freely available is important to
healthy pups and dogs. For potty training purposes, you need to take
her out frequently, after eating or drinking, after playing for a few
minutes, whenever you see her sniffing or circling, upon awakening and
just before your bedtime; mostly, about every 30 minutes during the
time when the family is active. When the pup is alone, she should be
crated, or in an ex-pen with a piddle pad to reduce the opportunities
for inappropriate elimination.

Pups this young generally need to eat at least 3 times a day,
sometimes 4 times, temporarily, until about 5-7 mo. - then 2 meals a
day until about 9-12 mo - then 1 meal a day - and once they reach
their full growth, even every other day.

Regular mealtimes are best for a pup, and make potty training easier
to manage. "Free feeding" is a cr*p-in-a-bag concept, and results in
'free pooping', too!

Here's a few links to info that you will find useful to start feeding
raw to your new pup. You might want to print some of it out, or save
the links in a file for future reference;
http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://www.bluegrace.com/puppypack.html

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374

post # 141374

TC and keep us posted on your progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I picked up my 8 week old GSD puppy yesterday. The breeder had
kibble out all the time for
> the pups. She seems to like the chicken thighs since she's had two
so far.
> 1. How often should I put food out for her?
> 2. Do I need to keep water available in her crate at all times?
> 3. When should I introduce other meats?
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Lori and Baby Athena

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7a. Re: overweight PWD
Posted by: "macluerssen" macluerssen@yahoo.com macluerssen
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 12:08 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for the insight! I'm sure he's not eating worms, as I've
actually tried to point them out to him on a walk and he won't even
sniff them! Although wouldn't that be a great cheap food source!?!
He does get a great walk every day, and plays with his sister the
mutt, maybe I'll try to get him running up and down the stairs some
more!

I'll start skinning his chicken, and add some turkey to the
mix...should be coming down in price pretty soon! And we've got a
half of a cow coming to us soon from a friend's ranch, so we'll have
some fresh beef "extras" to feed him. Is there anything from the
inside of a cow that we should NOT feed the dogs?

Tina

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7b. Re: overweight PWD
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 2:45 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Tina!
I don't recommend that you SKIN the chicken! Skin is good!
Just remove all the visible pieces of fat (yellow and globby) you can
find. The legs usually carry most of it, but the back has some, too.

Don't have him too do much exercise too soon, for too long, or too
strenuously, either! You don't want injuries, which occur more often
in unconditioned dogs, but calorie burning. Fetching a ball, or just
chasing after a frisbee for 10 or 15 minutes, can be great exercise.
Swimming is a good non weight bearing exercise, and one PWDs are
suited for;
http://www.pwdca.org/activities/waterwork/
Teaching him to carry a back pack on a walk or hike or pull a cart on
the side of the road, or on a trail can be enjoyable hobbies and
exercise for you both;
http://www.wolfpacks.com/#Dog_Pack_Selections
http://www.dogworks.com/

Aside from a lot of the bones, pretty much everything else is edible
from a cow for a dog. Cow bones are mostly too dense for a dog to
consume, you want to feed EDIBLE bone, not tooth breakers. You might
not want the stomachs, which is tripe, and SMELLS. But it too, is good
for dogs. Cow legs, with the hide on, can be good chew toys, but you
want to take the bones away, once the dogs strip them. If you have the
freezer space, tell your friends you want everything they don't!

TC
Giselle

> Thanks for the insight! I'm sure he's not eating worms,
<snip>
maybe I'll try to get him running up and down the stairs some
> more!
>
> I'll start skinning his chicken, and add some turkey to the
> mix.
<snip>
And we've got a half of a cow coming to us soon from a friend's ranch,
so we'll have some fresh beef "extras" to feed him. Is there anything
from the inside of a cow that we should NOT feed the dogs?
>
> Tina

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8a. Re: Coat has strong, disagreeable odor
Posted by: "tantelin22@aol.com" tantelin22@aol.com tantelindar
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 12:09 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/7/2007 5:09:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com writes:

_Re: Coat has strong, disagreeable odor _
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/143651;_ylc=X3oDMTJzcTFrcnY0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzc0MjM1MjYE
Z3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3NDIxMDgwBG1zZ0lkAzE0MzY1MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMT
kxNzQ4MTYw)

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Give him a bath; if the smell goes away, it means he has a nasty stash
somewhere in the yard and you need to scour the yard for it. :) If the bath
doesn't help, I'd suggest a vet visit; changes in metabolic action aren't
necessarily bad but vets go to school for a long time to learn to distinguish
between health and illness.

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9a. File - Admin-Trim it, Sign it, and Sig lines-PLEASE READ!!!
Posted by: "rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com" rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 12:59 pm ((PDT))

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10.1. File - Other related lists
Posted by: "rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com" rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 12:59 pm ((PDT))

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11a. Re: Thanks for the advice... raw on a budget?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 1:30 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Kim!
Here are links to archived messages about cutting up poultry.
There are recommendations for equipment to make the job easier and safer.
Each one has links to pics to help you out;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/140211
message # 140211

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/131635
message # 131635

This two part video is great for showing exactly where to cut on a joint to
use as little effort as necessary;
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1423960175334068846&q=cutting+up+chicken&total=47&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8
http://tinyurl.com/28g7p7

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1991087829865577153&q=cutting+up+chicken&total=47&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9
http://tinyurl.com/26gkmv

You might want to print out the text of the messages and save the pics and
vids to a folder on your desktop for easy reference later.

Keep in mind that, depending on your dog's sizes, you might not need to take
the pieces down to their smallest components. With a medium sized dog that
will eat about a pound a meal, a good sized chicken should be cut into
quarters. You don't have to feed *exactly* 1 lb per meal. A little over or
under a pound at a meal will balance out over a week or so. If you note the
weight of the chicken that you are cutting up, you can divide by the number
of pieces you cut it into, to roughly figure out the approximate weight of
each portion. Say, 4 lb chicken / 4 quarters = 1 lb per portion.

Pretty soon you can just judge by what your dog's look and feel like, to
know whether to feed them more or less food at their meals for awhile.

No veggies, no grains, no fruits. Nope, not needed. Here's links to stuff
that can help you figure out what to feed. you might want to print this info
out, too;

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts.html
For help getting your cat started, here's a couple links, too;

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawcat/

rawfedcats.org
TC and keep us posted on your progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

<snip>

Well I tried my dogs on the raw food last night and boy did they love it.

<snip>
OK tell me how do you guys cut the chicken. Its slides all over the place on
the plate when you try to cut it.

<snip>

Should I give them vegetables with it?

<snip>

The cat was very picky he wouldn't eat the raw meat.

<snip>

Thanks for all your help guys.

Kim Y
Beachwood NJ

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12. Croaker/Other Fish
Posted by: "Brigitte Greenberg" BrigitteGreen@msn.com bgreenberg1a
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 4:09 pm ((PDT))

Hi there,

I'm looking to add a little variety to my dogs' diet. I bought some Croaker
with the heads, fins, eyes, etc.., still attached. Is this OK to feed? They
also had some reasonably-priced Tilapia and I was wondering about that, too.
Aside from salmon, mackeral and the occasional sardine, I haven't been very
adventurous when it comes to raw fish in the past. I guess I'm looking for a
little reassurance. :) Please advise, and thank you in advance.

Brigitte Greenberg
http://www.GreenwoodWhippets.com
(301)681-5470 or email: BrigitteGreen@msn.com

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13. Pregnant and off feed
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 4:22 pm ((PDT))

We are in about the 3rd week of raw. I had introduced some pork ribs in
addition to the chicken. Suddenly 3 days ago, Bella my shih tzu bitch who
is 3 weeks pregnant, stopped eating. I just kept taking it away and
bringing it back. As far as I know she's eaten nothing except maybe cat poo
in 3 days. I'm getting worried now. In these circumstances should I
persist? I tried sprinkling her chicken with garlic (which she usually
loves) and she still wouldn't eat it. She's been sleeping a lot but that
started a couple of weeks ago and I put it down to the pregnancy. She only
weighs about 9lbs, so I am quite concerned at this point. Should I try
feeding her something else? If so, what? She is quite a prima donna, so
at first I wasn't concerned too much, but this is going on a bit.

--
Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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14a. Re: List on Freecycle
Posted by: "Mona" mona@ptd.net deliriousmom
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 5:02 pm ((PDT))

I get meat on freecycle and have always been to the person's home to pickup.
I have never had anything bad happen and have met a few really nice people.
I would become suspicious if the person wanted me to meet them somewhere
other than their home or if I didn't like what I saw when I went to their
home to pickup. So far, so good and I've gotten about 3 big black garbage
bags filled with meat in the last few days alone. Some of the meat I had to
dispose of because they gave me sausages etc too and of course we can't use
that, nor could I use the cooked poultry scraps or the cold cuts that were
frozen for obvious reasons, but the rest was chicken, a whole turkey, pork
roasts, beef roasts, ground beef (I can fill kongs with this, yea!). IMHO,
if you have a bad feeling about something, go with your gut instinct.

Mona

"Please consider the following: -strangers can be evil. You just
never know if a stranger has added poison, antifreeze, or other
harmful things to your pet's possible food. Saving dollars is not
worth the life of your pet. Please just wait for really great sales
or find a cheaper, natural alternative to BARF."

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15a. Incontinence
Posted by: "Diane Schneider" dianeschneider1@gmail.com schneiderdiane
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 5:03 pm ((PDT))

Does anyone know any reason why a raw diet might be responsible for
incontinence? Before I take my dog to the vet to get this checked out I
am just wondering if it could be diet related. She has been on a raw
meat and bone diet for a few years now but I must admit that we have
just stuck with chicken. I do feed her chicken livers and hearts plus
fish oil capsules as well. Could this be a chicken allergy or something??

Further, and this may be off-topic, has anyone had experience with
either drug or hormone treatments for incontinence that would like to
share their experiences? If too off-topic please PM me.

Diane

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16.1. new to raw
Posted by: "firedestroyer2001" firedestroyer2001@yahoo.com firedestroyer2001
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 5:03 pm ((PDT))

HI my name is jessica and I am new to raw I have a 12 pound 8 month old
sheltie and have figured out how much she needs to eat I think? the
site I went to said feed 60% rmb 35% muscle and 5% organ witch means
she needs 3.4 oz. of rmb 2 oz. muscle and .3 oz organ does that sound
right should I start by feeding her a cornish hen that has been
quartered? also I plan on breeding her when she is old enough and I
find the right stud how do I start the puppies on raw? thanks for your
help

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17. rawfeeding in winter vs summer
Posted by: "timbretown" nancy@plateautechcomm.com timbretown
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 5:03 pm ((PDT))

Hi folks

I'm relatively new to rawfeeding, but my mutts (a border collie / aussie mix and a husky /
beagle mix (I kid you not)) are doing great and loving it... The weather has recently cooled
way down here in northern Arizona (last night was below freezing). My doggies spend lots of
time outdoors and they're way more active now that summer is history.

So I was wondering: Do people on this list feed more during the winter? It seems like dogs
require more calories in the cooler weather... but then again, maybe I'm worrying too much.
BTW, I can't believe how silky and luxurious their fur has gotten.

Nancy R
Flagstaff, AZ

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