Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12132

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: List on Freecycle
From: girlndocs

2a. What do your shortcut words mean?
From: Meredith
2b. Re: What do your shortcut words mean?
From: Karen Swanay
2c. Re: What do your shortcut words mean?
From: Meredith Soriano
2d. Re: What do your shortcut words mean?
From: Giselle

3a. Re: Incontinence
From: Sandee Lee
3b. Re: Incontinence
From: Carol Dunster
3c. Re: Incontinence
From: Diane Schneider
3d. Re: Incontinence
From: Giselle
3e. Re: Incontinence
From: Sandee Lee

4a. Re: black tarry poop
From: Giselle
4b. Re: black tarry poop
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

5a. Re: Pregnant and off feed
From: Giselle

6.1. Re: new to raw
From: Giselle

7a. Please help, Pom is itching!!
From: Ashley Myers
7b. Re: Please help, Pom is itching!!
From: rosey031801

8a. Re: rawfeeding in winter vs summer
From: Giselle
8b. Re: rawfeeding in winter vs summer
From: Shannon Hully
8c. Re: rawfeeding in winter vs summer
From: carnesbill

9a. Re: overweight PWD
From: Yasuko herron

10a. Plant Material {previously - Re: Adding on to Supplement Question}
From: linoleum5017

11. New dog, feeding question
From: raven4519

12a. Re: new puppy-new raw feeder
From: lorikschaff
12b. Re: new puppy-new raw feeder
From: costrowski75

13a. Re: Croaker/Other Fish
From: costrowski75

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1a. Re: List on Freecycle
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 5:57 pm ((PDT))

Hi Mona,

> Some of the meat I had to dispose of because they gave me sausages etc
> too and of course we can't use that, nor could I use the cooked
> poultry scraps or the cold cuts

For this reason I stipulate that I'm looking for raw, unseasoned meat.
It's worked well so far.

Of course, if I did get something I couldn't feed the dog, I bet the
hens would love it :)

Kristin

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2a. What do your shortcut words mean?
Posted by: "Meredith" mom2mytwinz@yahoo.com mom2mytwinz
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 5:57 pm ((PDT))

Can someon please give me the meanings to some things?
What is PM?
and others, I'll writs it all down and never ask again! PROMISE!!

Thanks!
Meredith

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2b. Re: What do your shortcut words mean?
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 6:44 pm ((PDT))

PM? Can you use it in a sentence? PM means a lot of things.
Karen

On 10/7/07, Meredith <mom2mytwinz@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Can someon please give me the meanings to some things?
> What is PM?
> and others, I'll writs it all down and never ask again! PROMISE!!
>
> Thanks!
> Meredith

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2c. Re: What do your shortcut words mean?
Posted by: "Meredith Soriano" mom2mytwinz@yahoo.com mom2mytwinz
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:12 pm ((PDT))

I saw one sentence~~~> you can pm me if you want to........?

Karen Swanay <luvbullbreeds@gmail.com> wrote: PM? Can you use it in a sentence? PM means a lot of things.
Karen

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2d. Re: What do your shortcut words mean?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:53 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Meredith!

PM = private message - the person could be referring to personal
email, but some groups have different types of group communication,
called php bulletin boards, or forums. Most of them have a sort of
private email box for each member on the forum site for private
messages between members, hence PM.
Here is the phpbb.com home website forum;
http://www.phpbb.com/community/

chat acronyms;
http://www.netlingo.com/emailsh.cfm
http://www.sharpened.net/glossary/acronyms.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I saw one sentence~~~> you can pm me if you want to........?
>
> Karen Swanay <luvbullbreeds@...> wrote: PM? Can you use it
in a sentence? PM means a lot of things.
> Karen
>
> On 10/7/07, Meredith <mom2mytwinz@...> wrote:
> > Can someone please give me the meanings to some things?
> > What is PM?
> > and others, I'll write it all down and never ask again! PROMISE!!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Meredith

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3a. Re: Incontinence
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 5:59 pm ((PDT))

No....diet is not responsible for incontinence. Could be many things (spay
incontinence, renal disease, infections) which would require a vet check
with bloodwork and a urinalysis run.

Allergy? I doubt it...but you definitely need to get some variety,
especially red meat, into her diet. A few years feeding nothing but chicken
is not healthy.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Diane Schneider" <dianeschneider1@gmail.com>

> Does anyone know any reason why a raw diet might be responsible for
> incontinence? Before I take my dog to the vet to get this checked out I
> am just wondering if it could be diet related. She has been on a raw
> meat and bone diet for a few years now but I must admit that we have
> just stuck with chicken. I do feed her chicken livers and hearts plus
> fish oil capsules as well. Could this be a chicken allergy or something??

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3b. Re: Incontinence
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 6:40 pm ((PDT))

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:28:33 -0400, you wrote:

>Does anyone know any reason why a raw diet might be responsible for
>incontinence? Before I take my dog to the vet to get this checked out I
>am just wondering if it could be diet related. She has been on a raw
>meat and bone diet for a few years now but I must admit that we have
>just stuck with chicken.

If she has had the same diet for a few years, why would it suddenly
cause incontinence? I'd be looking for some other reason, possibly a
bladder infection, as the first cause. How old is she? When did the
symptoms first start? What are those symptoms?

On the other hand, I'm sure she'd benefit from some more variety in
terms of the source of her protein, just for general health.
~ Carol
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cedunster@centurytel.net

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3c. Re: Incontinence
Posted by: "Diane Schneider" dianeschneider1@gmail.com schneiderdiane
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 7:00 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:

> Allergy? I doubt it...but you definitely need to get some variety,
> especially red meat, into her diet. A few years feeding nothing but
chicken
> is not healthy.

Thanks. Can you explain to me what exactly is lacking in an all
chicken (no red meat) diet?

Diane

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3d. Re: Incontinence
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 7:53 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Diane!
VARIETY!

Do you feed organs, like liver?

This list promotes and supports a raw whole prey model diet.

Some links to help you learn about it;
http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374

post # 141374

Some chicken is injected with salt solutions or enhanced with
flavorings or seasonings. You should avoid feeding chicken that has
this, to see if it can make a difference in your dog's diet. Chicken
is cheap, easy to obtain and to feed, but its not by any means a
perfect food.

There isn't a perfect food. Optimum nutrition is achieved by feeding a
variety of meatymeat, a little edible bone and a little organ, and by
never being satisfied that the diet you are feeding is good enough.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Thanks. Can you explain to me what exactly is lacking in an all
> chicken (no red meat) diet?
>
> Diane

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3e. Re: Incontinence
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 7:57 pm ((PDT))

Meat, fat, nutrients, variety. The natural diet of a carnivore is large
ungulates...red meat and lots of it. Chicken is fine during the transition
from kibble to raw, but as soon as possible, meaty meals and organs from
other sources is always recommended. This is discussed routinely....you've
been around here long enough to know that.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Diane Schneider" <dianeschneider1@gmail.com>
Thanks. Can you explain to me what exactly is lacking in an all
chicken (no red meat) diet?

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4a. Re: black tarry poop
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 6:03 pm ((PDT))

Because, Carol, that's what boneless organs poops look like!

What goes in directly affects what comes out. Just like a very bony meal
will produce white, crumbly 'fossil' poops, boneless organ meals will
produce very dark 'pudding' poops.

If you want to offset a boneless/organ meal or a too bony meal; either feed
the opposite in a meal the same day, or you can try to 'balance' a
boneless/organ meal by feeding some bone with it, or feed more meatymeat or
some organ with a bony meal.

TC
Giselle

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> Please excuse the graphic nature of this post, but after feeding organ
> meat, what is the reason my dogs' poops are black, tarry, and thick?
> Caren O'Connor
> Nansemond Cavaliers
>
>

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4b. Re: black tarry poop
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:23 pm ((PDT))

Because that's what a bate of organ meat does to most dogs' poop. :)

If it bothers you, try feeding a small addition of organ meat to the regular
meal every day or 2, instead of a good bit of it at once.

Lynda

In a message dated 10/7/2007 8:03:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, "Caren
OConnor" writes:

after feeding organ meat, what is the reason my dogs' poops are black,
tarry, and thick?

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5a. Re: Pregnant and off feed
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 6:46 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Renate!
She's pregnant. I wouldn't play the 'tough love' game now.

Feed her what she'll eat.

Try quickly seared boneless chicken bits or pork bits for now.

But, anything she'll eat for now is good.

If she still won't eat, after one more time, don't wait, get her to
the vet.

There may be something else going on that not eating is just a symptom
of.

I don't think you can fast tiny dogs the way you can larger ones. Nor
should you fast pregnant ones.

Is she drinking well? Offer her some low sodium chicken broth.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> We are in about the 3rd week of raw. I had introduced some pork ribs in
> addition to the chicken. Suddenly 3 days ago, Bella my shih tzu
bitch who
> is 3 weeks pregnant, stopped eating.
<snip>
She only weighs about 9lbs, so I am quite concerned at this point.
Should I try
> feeding her something else? If so, what? She is quite a prima
dona, so at first I wasn't concerned too much, but this is going on a bit.
>
> --
> Renate
> 'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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6.1. Re: new to raw
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 6:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Jessica!
Welcome to the raw side! ^_^

This list supports and promotes a species appropriate raw whole prey diet.

Check out these websites;

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

And this archived message;

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*

I'd recommend that you don't concern yourself with planning puppies just
yet, your girl has a lot of growing and maturing yet to do!

I'd suggest that you do a lot of reading of the messages and archives on
this list and printing out information and focus on getting a great raw
feeding plan set up, and start introducing her to it.

TC and let us know how you progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/7/07, firedestroyer2001 <firedestroyer2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> HI my name is jessica and I am new to raw I have a 12 pound 8 month old
> sheltie and have figured out how much she needs to eat I think? the
> site I went to said feed 60% rmb 35% muscle and 5% organ which means
> she needs 3.4 oz. of rmb 2 oz. muscle and .3 oz organ does that sound
> right should I start by feeding her a cornish hen that has been
> quartered? also I plan on breeding her when she is old enough and I
> find the right stud how do I start the puppies on raw? thanks for your
> help
>
>

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7a. Please help, Pom is itching!!
Posted by: "Ashley Myers" miragehairsalon@yahoo.com miragehairsalon
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 6:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi Everyone,
There's such a wealth of info here, I hope someone has a clue as to why my Pom, (3yr) is itching, more than ever. Particularly in her hip area. When she was younger, we had her tested fo allergies Because of itching and vey red skin.It indicated she was allergic to eggs, barley,venison,andyeast, also some grasses,and flies. Could feedng her mainly chicken cause this to worsen? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.We have 3 little dogs, A Pom, Wired haired Dauschund (2) and a yorkie(2). They all love their new raw food diet and seem to be adjusting well except for runny poop. It's been approx. 3 weeks since we started to feed raw.

Also, I had a question about bully sticks, are they ok for a treat? I'm a bit confused on that one, because i believe they are smoked.
Thanks for your help.
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7b. Re: Please help, Pom is itching!!
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:15 pm ((PDT))

Hello,
First runny poop is usally because of too much boneless meat. Try more
bone. Yes, bully sticks are cooked. I wouldn't do it. And I have
given my dog more fish and the dry skin stops. Some people give fish
oil and that works. Be careful fish can cause diarrhea so maybe the
pills would be better than real fish until the poop gets harder. Good
luck!
Cheryl

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8a. Re: rawfeeding in winter vs summer
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 7:15 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Nancy!
I'm glad your dogs are doing so well on raw!

Just like any change in your dog's environment, like increased activity
level, age, pregnancy, decreased activity level, growth, illness,
maturation, etc. - changes in the weather need to be taken in account when
you feed your dogs.

Performance dogs or dogs who spend a lot of time outside in extremely cold
weather need more food for energy to grow, maintain, repair their bodies and
perform their tasks and play. They need more meatymeat and probably more
fat, as well. They may need to carry more weight to provide an insulating
layer of fat to protect them from the elements.

Each dog is different, so each of them will need varying increases in
amounts of meatymeat, bone, organ, fat, etc.

Only you can look at each dog every day, feel their bodies and judge their
individual needs and tweak their diet as necessary.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/7/07, timbretown <nancy@plateautechcomm.com> wrote:
>
> Hi folks
>
> I'm relatively new to rawfeeding, but my mutts (a border collie / aussie
> mix and a husky /
> beagle mix (I kid you not)) are doing great and loving it... The weather
> has recently cooled
> way down here in northern Arizona (last night was below freezing). My
> doggies spend lots of
> time outdoors and they're way more active now that summer is history.
>
> So I was wondering: Do people on this list feed more during the winter? It
> seems like dogs
> require more calories in the cooler weather... but then again, maybe I'm
> worrying too much.
> BTW, I can't believe how silky and luxurious their fur has gotten.
>
> Nancy R
> Flagstaff, AZ
>
>

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8b. Re: rawfeeding in winter vs summer
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:22 pm ((PDT))

I would imagine it would depend on the individual dog. If your dogs
spend a lot of time outside, and thus need to use calories to keep warm
(shivering, running around playing, etc) then they will likely need
more calories. If, however, your dogs were like my Greyhound who feels
that the best idea is to hibernate... not so much. ;-)

Shannon H.

> So I was wondering: Do people on this list feed more during the
winter? It seems like dogs
> require more calories in the cooler weather... but then again, maybe
I'm worrying too much.

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8c. Re: rawfeeding in winter vs summer
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:24 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "timbretown" <nancy@...> wrote:
>
> So I was wondering: Do people on this list feed more during
> the winter?

I live in west Georgia and don't feed my dogs any differently in the
winter than summer. They are much more active in cooler weather but
they tend to get a little chubby in the summer and lose it in the
winter. My advice is just monitor your dog's build and if they start
losing weight, increase the amount fed. Otherwise feed the same.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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9a. Re: overweight PWD
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:11 pm ((PDT))

>You might not want the stomachs, which is tripe, and SMELLS. But it too, is good
>for dogs

I agree! It is not amagical food item but i think,it is goodaddition to menu.

With curiousity of waht tripe really does to dog,I found an article about it on www.greentripe.com, and it was interesting.

If anybody still not reading about tripe articles on the site,you may find it interesting to read.

It said it would give,energy up and skin and coat improvement and,it has enzyme in it to help digest food waht dog eats with tripe,and not only that,tripe has acidphilus?? umm,,
the probiotic agent often found in Yogurt,so, tripe can work like probiotic too.

Probably not as effective as Slippery Elm or probiotic itself but,it said it has it.

The smell made me nausea but,it was worth. my dog likes it and feel great to know i giving her good stuff for body.

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10a. Plant Material {previously - Re: Adding on to Supplement Question}
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:17 pm ((PDT))

Thank you, Giselle & Loraine

I think I had been worn down by everyone questioning my rawfeeding
choice. I will go ahead and try Giselle's suggestions first, as
they are less drastic. If there is little improvement, I'll maybe
look into Loraine's ideas, though I have no clue where to find that
stuff. At times like this, I am so grateful to have this rawfeeding
network full of people with experience and non-condemnation!

For the record, no innoculations given with the neutering. Last
week, I had given BoJ several soothing baths, (Mycodex shampoo
with 'pyrethrens,') which helped some, but the itching crept back,
within hours. I actually have diotomaceous earth in my pantry, so I
will give that a try.

Regarding variety/quality of rawmeat, he does get a wide variety,
including lots of smelts, and also plenty of whole prey, thanks to
his bud, Maximus, the cat, who brings him fresh rabbits and
chipmunks. BoJ (the dog) even caught his own bird yesterday! We
have such a bounty that he doesn't always eat it.... but the point
being, he has access to every organ - brains, eyeballs, (and now
beaks,) .... all the gross ones that have those rare, beneficial
qualities. He is stunningly built, like a powerhorse, energetic and
agile. But hairless, sadly. He does not seem to be nervous or
hyper in the least - he plays hard, and sleeps hard. The itches do
wake him up, however, early morning.

I will look into the area treatments, Giselle. Don' know what DAP
is, but maybe it's described in one of your links? I appreciate
everything you suggested, and will do as many as I can.

I will report back!
Lynne & BoJ

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...>
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> Treat the areas he frequents, if not the entire
> house and yard. D.A.P. Comfort Zone and maybe a Glade diffuser with
> lavender scent can help to calm him, and make him less likely to
scratch.
>

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11. New dog, feeding question
Posted by: "raven4519" raven4519@yahoo.com raven4519
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:17 pm ((PDT))

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I recently got a second dog. He is about 3 years old and 85 lbs. He is
a bit heavy, I am trying to trim some weight off of him and am doing
it slowly. So far he has eaten anything I have put in front of him.
(So far he has bad beef, pork, chicken and rabbit)I would eventually
like to get to a gorge and fast schedule with him but really think he
would eat until he exploded.
He was found about 30 lbs underweight on the side of the road. He was
fostered for 5 months so he has had regular meals. He has no feed
aggression issues but is food obsessed.
He is getting about a pound and a half per day (I'm feeding once a day)
now and is loosing weight slowly.
How much do you let your large dogs eat on the gorge days?
I was eyeing a pork picnic roast today for $1.19 per lb.
I can take food from him but he acts like he has done something wrong
when I do or he try's harder to swallow it.
I would like him to he totally full and relaxed for once, but don't
want to hurt him either.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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12a. Re: new puppy-new raw feeder
Posted by: "lorikschaff" lorikschaff@yahoo.com lorikschaff
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:19 pm ((PDT))

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Thanks for your tips, Giselle. I have another question. (I don't know if I am supposed to
start a new subject or who to reply to??)

My question is this:
My 8 week old GSD who I brought home yesterday, had one "logs" poop last night and then
this morning a smooshy pile, and then twice today brown watery. Should I rush her to the
vet or is she adjusting to a new home and food? She plays and drinks water and doesn't go
in the house. Just when I take her out for her time every hour or so.
Thanks for help.

Lori and Baby Athena

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12b. Re: new puppy-new raw feeder
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:43 pm ((PDT))

"lorikschaff" <lorikschaff@...> wrote:
>
> I picked up my 8 week old GSD puppy yesterday. The breeder had
kibble out all the time for
> the pups.
*****
Well shore nuf you don't want to follow that route!

She seems to like the chicken thighs since she's had two so far.
*****
Thighs are a good enough place to start, so it's nice she likes
them. Are you giving them with kibble, have you stopped feeding the
kibble, what's the scoop?

> 1. How often should I put food out for her?
*****
I recommend you feed her three times a day to start in order to
reduce the input per meal. Often times pups cannot digest their
necessary nutrition in two meals. When she's four months or so
(depends on the pup, ultimately) you can move to two meals. At a
year (plus/minus) she'll be ready for one meal a day. Again, the
finetuning of all of this will be determined by you and her.

> 2. Do I need to keep water available in her crate at all times?
*****
This is not an issue that requires raw feeding expertise. It is a
crate training question. Please consider reposting all non-food
questions to rawchat or DogHealth or perhaps to a list dedicated to
GSDs or puppies.

> 3. When should I introduce other meats?
*****
Other than what? Chicken thighs? You should feed more of the
chicken than simply thighs. I recommend you buy a few whole birds
and cut them into parts, then feed the parts in various meals to your
baby. If it's too much trouble to cut up whole birds, buy leg
quarters (or singleton legs and thighs), rib-in breasts, and some
backs. Feed these parts in appropriate amounts until you and the pup
are comfortable with them, then buy a tub of chicken liver plus a
package of mixed hearts and gizzareds (both fed as muscle meat, not
organs) and introduce these to your pupby feeding them in small
quantities with the chicken parts you've already been successful with.

When the body parts and the giblets have been introduced you can move
to a second meat. However long that takes is how long it takes. I
prefer to introduce bits of new meat after a week or so, not as
significant hunks but just to bring in a new flavor. If you'd feel
less stressed sticking with chicken exclusively for a while, go right
ahead, but I suggest it is your pup's progress that should determine
when it's the "right" time to add a second meat.
Chris O

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13a. Re: Croaker/Other Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:49 pm ((PDT))

"Brigitte Greenberg" <BrigitteGreen@...> wrote:
>> I'm looking to add a little variety to my dogs' diet. I bought
some Croaker
> with the heads, fins, eyes, etc.., still attached. Is this OK to
feed
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If they are safe for you to eat they are safe for your dogs to eat.

They
> also had some reasonably-priced Tilapia and I was wondering about
that, too.
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Ditto. Although it seems many dogs do not like Tilapia.

> Aside from salmon, mackeral and the occasional sardine, I haven't
been very
> adventurous when it comes to raw fish in the past.
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Unless you are aching for protein variety, there's no particular need
to be adventurous with fish. Feed it if you can find it and your
dogs like it, otherwise, 'tain't no big deal.
Chris O

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