[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12136

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
From: carnesbill
1b. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
From: Sonja

2a. Re: black tarry poop
From: Giselle

3a. Re: feeding schedule
From: Michael Moore

4a. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: kiu101
4b. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: katkellm
4c. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: tottime47
4d. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: T Smith
4e. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
From: carnesbill

5a. Re: {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!
From: Gail Edmond
5b. Re: {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!
From: Brandi Bryant

6a. Re: NEED MORE ADVICE - BOWEL DISTRESS FOR MOLLY
From: tottime47

7a. Re: New dog, feeding question
From: katkellm
7b. Re: New dog, feeding question
From: carnesbill

8a. Re: Pregnant and off feed
From: Renate

9. New to Group, how do I do a raw diet meal??
From: jessigalloway

10a. Re: Pup off feed
From: T Smith

11a. Calories
From: susrob061174
11b. Re: Calories
From: carnesbill

12a. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
From: girlndocs
12b. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
From: thebestformyboys

13a. Snowy's front gums are bleeding, no apparent cause...?
From: shefy7
13b. Re: Snowy's front gums are bleeding, no apparent cause...?
From: carnesbill

14. Raw Feeding while I'm Pregnant
From: rach9876

15.1. Re: 911-PLEASE HELP
From: shefy gupta

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1a. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:44 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "spricketysprock"
<jess.hamway@...> wrote:
>
> I try to give my dog a piece of chicken or turkey every day
> or every
> other day as it seems those are the only bones he can chow
> down. Is
> that adequate for his bone intake?

Yes, definately.

> He doesn't seem to be overly constipated but he stopped pooping
> everyday, it's more like every other day. Is that healthy?

Of course it is. He will poop when he has something to poop.

> I've been having trouble finding organs so the only organs I give
> are chicken hearts and livers.

You should be able to find beef liver in most every grocery store.

> I also feed multiple protein sources
> (fish, goat, duck, beef and chicken, soon to try rabbit!
> and offer
> cow hooves for treats. Is that enough variety?

Yes, but I also suggest some pork occasionally. It's cheap and easy
to find.

> Is it ok to feed goat and rabbit if they're not grass fed or
> organic? I really have no idea where the meat comes from or what
> standards they have, though it is all inspected.

Sure. I think grassfed and organic are hightly overrated anyway.

> I recently saw beef stomach at an ethnic food store... is that the
> same as tripe?

No, don't bother with it.

> Other random items I saw:
> cow tongue
> duck tongue
> chicken feet
> chicken gizzards
> pork intestine
>
> Are any worth feeding?

I don't feed any of those although I have fed cow tongue a few
times. It's just more trouble than it's worth. I prefer beef heart.

> He ate the ENTIRE thing,
> head and beak included. When he pooped it was foamy and green. Is
> that from the brain?!

No

> He also swallowed a leg whole - foot included,
> which he had trouble passing. So, from now on I'll probably
> chop off
> the head and limbs... or are there significant nutrients in
> there he needs?

In the head, yes. Not that he can't live without eating heads. He
can live a long healthy life never eating another head but there are
some good stuff in it.

> Lastly, just about EVERY time after my dog eats, his face seems to
> be very itchy.

I can't help with this. Mine never do this.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1b. Re: What edible bones are there besides chicken bones? and a plethor
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 3:38 pm ((PDT))

> Lastly, just about EVERY time after my dog eats, his face seems to
> be very itchy.

I might be able to help with this. The world is my dog's napkin after she eats raw. She's usually so thrilled and happy after eating raw that it ALMOST competes with the "after bath" roll in the grass. She'll walk along the length of our large couch and drag her face along it. She'll throw her face into the carpet and push herself along to get a good rub on her face. She's not itchy, she's just happy. If it's her way of rubbing off leftovers around our house, I don't know, she's always as clean as a whistle when she's done eating.

Could that be a possibility? Does your dog just rub its face like mine or is it using its paw to scratch, too??

Sonja

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2a. Re: black tarry poop
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 3:25 pm ((PDT))

By, George, she's got it!

; )

TC
Giselle

On 10/8/07, Caren OConnor <cavkist@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Giselle -
> Great analogy:) I got it now. What goes it directly affects what comes
> out! Perfect!
> Caren O'Connor
> Nansemond Cavaliers
>
>

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3a. Re: feeding schedule
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 3:39 pm ((PDT))

>>I noticed several posts indicating some of you feed more than once a
day. I was wondering if it is OK to feed once a day in the morning
like I do or is there a compelling reason with this model of eating to
feed twice a day. <<

Boy, Nancy, guess I've missed those! If I had to guess, I'd say more people on this list feed once a day or less. I started with twice dailys because, well, that's what I'd done previously, but moved quickly to once daily feedings. Occasionally, I do gorge feeding, then nothing the next day, but usually feed once daily.
The biggest benefit to feeding once daily (besides being more convenient for me!) is that I can feed larger pieces/parts to my dogs.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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4a. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "kiu101" kiu101@yahoo.com kiu101
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 3:39 pm ((PDT))

Plenty of people feed once a day. Some people don't have time to
monitor their pets in the morning so they feed at night when more time
is available.

Some even do the the gorge and fast method. They would let their pets
eat as much as they can in one sitting and fast them the next day. This
replicates the wild where dogs or wolfs don't get to eat every day. So
when they do bring down prey they eat as much as they can because they
don't know when the next meal will be.

Ken

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
>
> Hi to the group...
>
> I noticed several posts indicating some of you feed more than once a
> day. I was wondering if it is OK to feed once a day in the morning
> like I do or is there a compelling reason with this model of eating
to
> feed twice a day.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nancy
>

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4b. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 3:40 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
> I was wondering if it is OK to feed once a day in the morning
> like I do or is there a compelling reason with this model of eating to
> feed twice a day.
>
Hi Nancy,
Feeding once a day is great. Some posts talk about feeding more than
once a day, but mostly that is a recommendation for newbie dogs who
are just starting raw and are use to eating more often or are having
trouble adjusting. I think that feeding once a day is preferable to
twice because you can offer your dog bigger hunks of food which means
that they get a better dental workout and more challenging eating.
Some of us even feed less often than once a day. This wouldn't be a
good idea for a newbie dog, but would be something to keep in mind
down the road away. KathyM

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4c. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 3:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi Nancy,

I have small dogs and need to feed twice a day, as they can get low
blood sugar easier.

Some with big dogs feed once a day and some only every other day.

Whatever works for you is fine!

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
I was wondering if it is OK to feed once a day in the morning
> like I do
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nancy

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4d. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 5:16 pm ((PDT))

I am asking this nicely:
What is the point of this type of feeding?

"Some even do the the gorge and fast method. They would let their pets

> eat as much as they can in one sitting and fast them the next day. This
> replicates the wild where dogs or wolfs don't get to eat every day. So
> when they do bring down prey they eat as much as they can because they
> don't know when the next meal will be. Ken ""
>

Trina

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4e. Re: FEEDING SCHEDULE
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:11 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>
> I am asking this nicely:
> What is the point of this type of feeding?
>
> "Some even do the the gorge and fast method.

The people who feed this way are trying to replicate what might happen
in nature. A wolf might go for a day or two without finding any
prey. Personally, I think it's overkill.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5a. Re: {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!
Posted by: "Gail Edmond" windybond1@yahoo.co.uk windybond1
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 3:39 pm ((PDT))

My shih was 10 months old when she first came into heat.

Gail

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From: Brandi Bryant <bbryant573@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, 8 October, 2007 6:41:51 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!

My Whippet mix who's not quite 10 months old hasn't come into heat, yet!
I'm not really all that concerned, because she's eating, she playing and
acting normal. Has anybody else experience this? Oh, and the male dogs
that I do have are fixed.

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5b. Re: {Raw Feeding} OT - My female hasn't come into heat!
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 4:06 pm ((PDT))

Ok, thank you that makes me feel better. I'm gonna have her spayed soon.
I'm not really in that big of a hurry to do it just yet...

thanks again,
Brandi
Bartlesville, OK

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6a. Re: NEED MORE ADVICE - BOWEL DISTRESS FOR MOLLY
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 4:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi Nancy,

Maybe you could try adding a little slippery elm bark powder to her
meals, or make some little meat balls with the slippery elm bark
powder inside them and give her one several times a day for a day.

It won't harm her if you have to do it for a couple of days. It is
just a stomach and bowl coating that gives the intestine time to heal
if it's irritated.

You can get SEBP capsules at any health food store or drug store or
even from Walmart in a pinch.
There are also good brands you can order online.

Sometimes when they get diarrhea the bowls remain a little irritated,
even after their tummy settles down.

I have a smaller dog and one capsule over one day seems to straighten
him out.

Hope this helps you some.

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:

> I posted to the group last Friday about my 1 year old wheaten
terrier
> Molly who was having her first episode of explosive diarrhea

Nancy

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7a. Re: New dog, feeding question
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 4:20 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...> wrote:
>> Then why is it that pretty much every professional will tell you to
feed in several smaller meals to prevent bloat?

Hi Kaitlin,
Most professionals will also tell you to feed kibble. All of the
bloat studies that have been done, regardless of whether you view them
as flawed or inconclusive or definitive, have been done on kibble fed
dogs. These studies don't apply to raw fed dogs. Meals that have to
be worked on to eat, versus small gulping ones, allows the stomach to
stretch and strengthen and function as Mother Nature designed a wolf's
stomach to, and the closer we can stick to the plan the less the chance
of trouble. To the best of my knowledge, limited as it is, we have
never had a report of a raw fed dog bloating after a big meal. jmo,
KathyM

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7b. Re: New dog, feeding question
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 5:17 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...>
wrote:
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> Then why is it that pretty much every professional will tell
> you to feed in
> several smaller meals to prevent bloat?

Because they think they have to have an answer. They don't have the
ability to say, "I don't know." Actually NO ONE knows that causes
bloat. My studies seem to show bloat to be more related to stress
than any other single factor.

> And that dogs are more commonly dignoised with bloat with
> large meals then small?

Where do you get that information? I don't believe it.

> It's hard to do a study when dogs die from it and it's not a
> long term
> thing. But from What I've read, heard and semiars I've been
> to... they get a
> lot smaller ratio of dogs with bloat after a small meal then
> a large meal.

Unfounded urban legend. Most dogs who bloat don't bloat after a
meal. Bloating seems to have no relationship to eating. Don't
believe everything you read or see in a seminar.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8a. Re: Pregnant and off feed
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 4:21 pm ((PDT))

Thanks, Gail. There are really no signs so far other than this eating thing
and lots of sleeping. But I caught them tied 3 times so that just verifies
it.
Renate

On 10/8/07, Gail Edmond <windybond1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Havent bred myself but my friend who breeds her bitch always go's off
> her food and she uses that as a sign that she is pregnant.
>
> Gail
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Renate <renate.tideswell@gmail.com <renate.tideswell%40gmail.com>>
> To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 8 October, 2007 12:17:36 AM
> Subject: [rawfeeding] Pregnant and off feed
>
> We are in about the 3rd week of raw. I had introduced some pork ribs in
> addition to the chicken. Suddenly 3 days ago, Bella my shih tzu bitch who
> is 3 weeks pregnant, stopped eating. I just kept taking it away and
> bringing it back. As far as I know she's eaten nothing except maybe cat
> poo
> in 3 days. I'm getting worried now. In these circumstances should I
> persist? I tried sprinkling her chicken with garlic (which she usually
> loves) and she still wouldn't eat it. She's been sleeping a lot but that
> started a couple of weeks ago and I put it down to the pregnancy. She only
> weighs about 9lbs, so I am quite concerned at this point. Should I try
> feeding her something else? If so, what? She is quite a prima donna, so
> at first I wasn't concerned too much, but this is going on a bit.
>
> --
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9. New to Group, how do I do a raw diet meal??
Posted by: "jessigalloway" bjbgalloway@aol.com jessigalloway
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 5:16 pm ((PDT))

I am totally new and wondering about a raw diet. I am wanting to try it
with my two labs but am unsure of where to even start? How do you make
a meal for them?

Jessi
WA

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10a. Re: Pup off feed
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 5:17 pm ((PDT))

On 10/8/07, harrynala <michelle@synertex.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Anyway, I was closely monitoring her and saw a live worm in her grass
> poo (that's all it consisted of, pure undigested grass), so promptly
> dewormed her with DrontalPlus. No more worms came out as far as I
> could tell and sickness stopped.
>

Usually that medicine will disinegrate the worms.

This is really unlike her as she's always had a huge appetite. All
> other aspects are fine, bright, lively, poos fine, not visibly losing
> any weight etc.
>
> Not sure if I should be worried, or whether she's just naturally not
> needing all the food now she's got rid of her worm?
>

I think this is correct

Not sure how to proceed really. Not much point going to the vet as I

> live in rural Bulgaria where veterinary care is still a bit primitive
> when it comes to the finer points!
>

I think if she does eat, looks good, acts healthy, she is fine.

Trina

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11a. Calories
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 5:17 pm ((PDT))

I hate to mention the word "kibbles", sorry. Someone the other day
asked me how many calories do you give to a adult GD that is very
active. I told them I dont worry about it because my dogs are on raw.
This got me thinking, how would you know how many calories you are
giving your dog while on raw or would you worry about it at all. Does
the calories only pretain to kibbles? Thanks

Susanne

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11b. Re: Calories
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:12 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "susrob061174" <susrob061174@...>
wrote:
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> This got me thinking, how would you know how many calories you are
> giving your dog while on raw or would you worry about it at all.

Calories pertain to everything you eat. I don't worry about
calories my dogs eat because I just monitor their build and adjust
food amounts accordingly.

If you feel you must calculate calories that you feed, check out

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ ... when you enter
search criteria be sure to use the word "raw" ... for example "raw
chicken" or "raw beef" etc. You will find that chicken quarters
have 237kcal/100grams. I'm not sure how that translates into
calories. I think its more complicated than just 1,000 calories.
I'm sure someone here can tell you. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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12a. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 5:17 pm ((PDT))

Hi Laurie,

> I'm reading on this list that there isn't really a need to
> supplement. I'm having a hard time with this! I don't understand how
> crunching up bones will replace some of these things.

It's really very, very simple :) Humans have one set of nutritional
requirements. Dogs have nutritional requirements too, but they are
totally and completely different.

All this supplementing and mixing and veggies and grains -- that is
thinking in terms of HUMAN nutrition.

Kristin

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12b. Re: New Member Intro--sorry long
Posted by: "thebestformyboys" llb6984@comcast.net thebestformyboys
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:12 pm ((PDT))

> I'm new to the group and have been lurking for a week or two. I'm
not
> new to raw feeding though and have been rawfeeding my two 3 1/2
year
> old Golden Retrievers Logan and Cooper for 2 1/2 years along with
> three kittens from 8weeks.
>
> I joined this group for a few reasons. I'm so tired of cutting meat
>

Both the boys had a chicken leg quarter for dinner tonight. It went
great! Cooper knew exactly what to do and polished it off in about 10
minutes. No problem.
Logan was unsure and needed a little help. I cut some on the leg and
got some pieces hanging off he he'd chew them off and stop and wait.
I did it 3 times, then he got the hang of it and finished in about 20
minutes. My husband and I are thrilled. The dogs are thrilled!

Now we have a couple more questions. The chicken leg qu. 1.1 lbs with
bone and skin seems like a lot more than 10% bone more like 20%? I'm
guessing I shouldn't feed any bone in tomorrow mornings meal (I've
got some prepacked cubed beef 80% with some liver 10%, and just a
couple pieces of kidney and heart from the old diet to use up). Then
feed another leg quarter tomorrow night. Am I thinking right? I don't
have to feed bone with every meal, just make it 10% of the diet. I'm
going to stay with chicken and beef for the first week or so since
they are used to these.
What about fasting? Do I have to do this? Ever?

Thanks to everyone for their responses, I will now have more time to
research! I went from a support group of about 1000 members to this
huge group and I feel like I've hit a gold mine!

We've decided not to add all the stuff we were adding (supplements,
etc.) and see how it goes.

Thanks for your help,

Laurie B
Port St. Lucie, FL
Golden brothers, Logan & Cooper

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13a. Snowy's front gums are bleeding, no apparent cause...?
Posted by: "shefy7" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 5:17 pm ((PDT))

Hi Everyone,

Snowy has been doing great! His behavior is extremely better than
when I first got him. He's potty trained, obedient, affectionate. I
recently added in Oma's pride meats along with his bravo... He's on
a meat and bone only diet. Once in awhile I'll give him a little
apple or carrot.

For the past 2 days I noticed him pawing at his mouth. I thought he
got something stuck in there but it was all clear. He has very clean
teeth by the way, thanks to the bones and brushing! However,
yesterday he was licking his paw and I noticed a drop of blood. So I
checked in his mouth and his gum was bleeding, from the upper
canine. Not a lot, but just a drop. I saw a little scratch behind
his little tooth next to the canine (I think he decided to chew some
bark in the backyard...), but that healed up. His upper gums are
reddish and inflammed and there is a little bleeding around the
canines. It's not constant bleeding though. Just after he eats or
chews on a bone. He's not even chewing his pizzle anymore :( His
favorite....

I thought it would go away thinking it was just irritation, but it's
not. I rubbed coconut oil on his gums for an antibacterial... Today
I checked and his lower canine was also bleeding a bit. Now I mean
where the gum stops and the tooth visibly starts... He's also being
aggressive/defensive when I try to check his mouth.

He's really healthy otherwise, but he does seem bothered by this.
He's eating with his front teeth, like scraping the food as though
he's getting relief from the frozen meat. I've scheduled an
appointment with the vet tomorrow. I'm guessing she'll want to do
antibiotics since he's got great teeth (he's 1.5 years old btw) and
no other apparent cause...

I just wanted to have all of your opinions as to what this may be?
The only new thing I can think of is I gave him pheasant for the
first time on Friday...Maybe it was infected with something and that
got in his gums? Or the bark he chewed into was?

Thanks in advance everyone,

Shefy and Snowy

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13b. Re: Snowy's front gums are bleeding, no apparent cause...?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:12 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "shefy7" <shefy7@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I
> recently added in Oma's pride meats along with his bravo...
> He's on
> a meat and bone only diet.

Two contradictory statements. Is he on a meat and bone diet or
Oma's pride paddies and Bravo paddies?

> His upper gums are
> reddish and inflammed and there is a little bleeding around the
> canines. It's not constant bleeding though. Just after he eats or
> chews on a bone. He's not even chewing his pizzle anymore :( His
> favorite....

What kind of bone is he chewing on? What you are describing COULD
be the beginnings of periodontal disease. This won't happen if you
are feeding a real raw diet of animal parts instead of paddies. I'm
not 100% sure exactly what you are feeding.

> I've scheduled an
> appointment with the vet tomorrow. I'm guessing she'll want to do
> antibiotics since he's got great teeth (he's 1.5 years old
> btw) and no other apparent cause...

IF your dog has periodontal disease the apparant cause it an
improper diet. Like I said, I'm not sure what you are feeding so I
may be all wet.

> The only new thing I can think of is I gave him pheasant for the
> first time on Friday...Maybe it was infected with something
> and that got in his gums?

Real pheasant or pheasant paddies. If its real pheasant, I can
assure you it wasn't infected with something that got into his gums.

> Or the bark he chewed into was?

Nope, not the bark either.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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14. Raw Feeding while I'm Pregnant
Posted by: "rach9876" rach9876@yahoo.com rach9876
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:12 pm ((PDT))

I just found out about a week ago that I am pregnant. I am a little
nervous about continuing to feed raw bc I have no idea if or how the
bacteria would effect a developing fetus. I am not saying that it
would, just that I am clueless as to the risk, if there is any. I
understand that since I have a normal immune system, most of the
bacteria such as salmonella would not hurt me but would it effect a
fetus? I know people cook meat while they are pregnant without blinking
an eye, but I am handling raw meat every day, twice a day, and not just
chicken or beef but pork brains and cow intestines. Of course, i wash
my hands and the countertops off each time. I guess i just reassurance
that it is ok to continue to feed my dog raw and that i am not posing
any threat to the baby. Thanks.

Rachel

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15.1. Re: 911-PLEASE HELP
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 6:12 pm ((PDT))

oh goodness, don't let the vet do surgery on her if it's not necessary. NO WAY! I hope she is ok. bone should show up in an xray.... take another if necessary to see where it is and if it's causing the problem...maybe it just scratched her esophagus on the way down and that's causing the inflammation...

stay with her, she needs you.

best

shefy and snowy

Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:
Of course the bone will digest. Do not let the vet do surgery!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From:

> I am new to this area, and I do not know this vet at all.? I went to the
nearest place.? He stabilized her and took x-rays immediately.? There is
nothing odd in the x-ray, no blockage now, but her little throat(remember
this is a frenchie) was so swollen and irritated that she was choking on all
the saliva.? She is on O2 and IV's and is doing well, she is calm and though
she is still having a hard time breathing, it is not because she has a
blocked airway.? NOW, the vet tells me he needs to open her up and take out
whatever is in her stomach!? That sound slike a disaster to me, all the
secondary infections of opening a gutt!
> Does anyone have any advice?? If she got the bone down, will it
digest...PLEASE HELP ME!

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