[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12150

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: BALANCED EATING
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: Sandee Lee
2b. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: mandarini_gg
2c. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: Giselle
2d. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: trayc2244
2e. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: carnesbill

3a. Re: Gorging---bloat concern?
From: costrowski75
3b. Re: Gorging---bloat concern?
From: Giselle

4a. Concerned about missing vitamins
From: trayc2244
4b. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
From: Sandee Lee
4c. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
From: costrowski75
4d. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
From: trayc2244

5a. Re: Gathering Info.
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: QUESTION ABOUT EGGS
From: Giselle
6b. Re: QUESTION ABOUT EGGS
From: costrowski75
6c. Re: QUESTION ABOUT EGGS
From: miensasis

7a. Re: Great Prices on chicken
From: Kevin Brown

8a. Re: CAN YOU GUYS GIVE ME A FEW EXAMPLES? :-) PLS
From: angela182548

9.1. Re: Oil
From: debjmays

10a. Switching to "big"/Gorge-Fast
From: Shannon Hully
10b. Re: Switching to "big"/Gorge-Fast
From: temy1102

11a. Re: Wretching Dog
From: mandarini_gg
11b. Re: Wretching Dog
From: patrice_quinn

12a. Re: Is this normal??
From: Yasuko herron

13a. Re: switching kitten to raw
From: temy1102

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1a. Re: BALANCED EATING
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:59 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
>
> I was wondering---what is the most nutritionally important of
> the 3 components?

Nothing is more important then the others. All are necessary.

> I know we try to achieve the 80-10-10 (w/5% liver)
> ratio, but if you were to err on the side of a little more of
> one of
> the dietary components, which is the healthiest one to do more
> of and
> least nutritive one to do less of?

These are just numbers. They mean nothing. You can't get even
close if you try your hardest. It doesn't matter if you are right
on the money or way off. The health of your dog won't change.

> Also, does anyone know what the
> long-term effects would be of feeding a diet consistently
> with more than the 10% of bone?

There are no long term effects. Excess calcium is excreted through
the kidneys. I am one of those who probably feed 25% to 30% bone.
I actually have no idea how much bone i feed since I never try to
count. I have been doing this for 5 years with no ill effects.
These are just numbers that someone came up with and based on
nothing other than conjecture. Its one of those examples
of "something that is repeated often enough becomes truth."

> I'm really new to this and really just sticking as close
> as possible to the suggested ratio ...

Don't try so hard. Lighten up. Nothing is critical except feed raw
meat, bones and organs from a variety of animals. Everything else
is more or less meaningless. Feed your dogs a lot of animal parts
from a lot of different animals and don't worry. Both you and your
dog will be ok. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:00 pm ((PDT))

You certainly didn't hear that here! No reason to fast....feed the poor
girl...raw of course! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "trayc2244" <BreeZ119@catt.com>

I am getting my rescue dog tomorrow (which has mange) I was prepared
to start her on the raw diet asap, but I have been reading and have
been informed that I need to make her fast from 2-7 days before
starting the raw diet. I have no idea what to do. Can someone let me
know which would be better, starting raw asap, or fasting 2-7 days.

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2b. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "mandarini_gg" amanda.gasparini@gmail.com mandarini_gg
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:43 pm ((PDT))

I'm sure it wouldn't do any harm if you did fast for a day or two.
Seven sounds awfully long to me though. I fasted mine for just a day,
in hopes that the my very, very picky Dane (who while in foster care
was fed raw, then fed kibble, and then I put her back on raw) would
eat with gusto and pick it right back up. That didn't happen (it took
a while for her to get back in the swing of things), but hey, it was
worth a shot.

Mandi

Can someone let me
> know which would be better, starting raw asap, or fasting 2-7 days.
>
> Thanks,
> Tracy
>

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2c. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Tracy!
Some people fast before switching a dog to raw, some do not.
If the dog you are switching has some digestive issues on Doom Nuggets, then
maybe a fast, even just a 12 hour or an overnight one, might ease the
changeover.

If I were fasting a dog previously fed DN to raw, I might not fast at all.
But If I did, I'd offer plenty of low sodium beef or chicken broth during
the fast time. If the dog had digestive issues, I'd feed broth with Slippery
Elm Bark Powder, to soothe the system.

More than 24-48 hours fasting is excessive, unless it is for sound medical
reasons, imo.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

Can someone let me
> > know which would be better, starting raw asap, or fasting 2-7 days.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tracy
>
>

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2d. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:29 pm ((PDT))

I was reading this in the book by Dr. Pitcairn's natural health for
dogs and cats. It states to fast a sick animal?? I don't know.

Thanks,
Tracy

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2e. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:30 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...> wrote:
>
> I have been reading and have
> been informed that I need to make her fast from 2-7 days before
> starting the raw diet.

You weren't informed by a knowledgabel raw feeder. All of my dogs
got kibble for dinner one night and chicken backs for breakfast the
next mrorning, never to have kibble again.

Start your dog the first meal after bringing him home. I did that
with my last adopted dog.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3a. Re: Gorging---bloat concern?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:06 pm ((PDT))

"Dawn Crosier" <dlcrosier@...> wrote:
>
> Here's the way a good ol' boy vet explained to me about bloat....
>
> Feed a dog a big sloshy meal and then take him out to run is one
sure way to
> cause bloat.
*****
Your good ol' boy was confusing bloat with torsion. Bloat can and
does happen with accompanying torsion. Thank goodnes for that.
Bloat has nothing to do with a stomach swinging from side to side.
Perhaps the good ol' boy was confusing a dog's stomach with a cow's
udder (not a good ol' boy I'd choose to go hunting with!).

That's why many hunting dogs have
> problems, because the hunter takes him to the motel after a long
hard day of
> hunting, feeds a big meal and lets the dog tank up on water, and
then takes
> it out for one last run for the evening.
*****
I suspect your informant was speaking from personal experience.
First off, I don't know that many hunting dogs bloat (I'm on a huge
hunting retriever list and it's not a recurring topic), and secondly
my guess is the enthusiasm that's been bred into the hunting dog
along with the the over top excitement of the hunting experience PLUS
the anticipation for dinner make for high stress, which is definitely
implicated in bloat.

> Made sense to me. I've witnessed a horse who got colic.
*****
Different issues.

> So, my take is this... feed a nice big meal and just like we all
do after
> our huge Thanksgiving dinner - let the dog lay down and sleep it
off.
*****
I would take it one step backwards, and that's from Ma Nature, who
has built wolves to eat big and get on with their lives. Mech writes
of a pack stuffing themselves silly on fresh prey, dozing off for 45
minutes or so, then moving on. Not at a dead run, but up and going.

Chris O

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3b. Re: Gorging---bloat concern?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:36 pm ((PDT))

I totally agree with Kathy, Jaala !
(btw, she did sign her post)

TC
Giselle

> Hi Jaala,
> No, I'm not worried about bloat because all the bloat studies that
> have been done were conducted on dogs fed kibble and do not apply to
> raw fed dogs.
<snip>
Kibble is unnatural for a dog to to eat. Raw food is the natural dog
food for wolves, hence our dogs. Raw food is highly digestible while
> kibble-look at a kibble vs raw poop-is not. A dog that works up to
> eating a big meal has developed stomach muscles that get a great work
> out. A dog may choose to eat until its stomach distends. A gorge fed
> tummy is ready to digest because it gets a work out and it gets to
> work according to the way it was designed to work. We were taught to
> not let our dogs eat all they want or they will get sick. While this
> may hold true for a kibble fed dog or a new to raw food dog, if wolves
> got sick because they ate all they wanted to, they would be extinct by
> now. Stress seems to play a factor in bloating and it seems to me
> when i watch a kibble feed friend's dogs-fed designer kibble twice a
> day- pace around the kitchen when it approaches feeding time that they
> are way too concerned that they are going to eat.
<snip>
A big meal dog knows what it is like to be really and truly full. They
don't eat fast, well since its big food they can't- but its more like
they know how to pace themselves because they are going to be dining
for a long time.
<snip>

JMO, KathyM

--- who
> knows it goes against what we have been taught and knows that it takes
> a leap of faith and thinks that, since raw feeding is an evolving
> journey, even if it sounds crazy now- yep it did to me at first, too-
> if you keep an open mind, it might make tons of sense a little ways
> down the road.

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4a. Concerned about missing vitamins
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:11 pm ((PDT))

I currently only feed meat, bones, and organs. I do not feed
veggitables, fruit, legumes, or grains. I have just read some
information and now I am concerned that my dog may not be getting all
the nutrients that he needs. Should I add these other foods to his
diet? If I don't add them, should I supplement to make sure he gets
all the essential vitamins?

Thanks
Tracy

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4b. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:34 pm ((PDT))

Where are you reading these things, Tracy???? Sounds like you are getting a
bit of misinformation.

Dogs are carnivores designed to eat meat, bones and organs. They have no
need for carbohydrates and certainly don't require veggies, fruit, legumes
or grains.

Everything that is necessary comes from the food they are designed to
consume.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "trayc2244" <BreeZ119@catt.com>

I currently only feed meat, bones, and organs. I do not feed
veggitables, fruit, legumes, or grains. I have just read some
information and now I am concerned that my dog may not be getting all
the nutrients that he needs. Should I add these other foods to his
diet? If I don't add them, should I supplement to make sure he gets
all the essential vitamins?

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4c. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:00 pm ((PDT))

"trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...> wrote:
>I have just read some
> information and now I am concerned that my dog may not be getting all
> the nutrients that he needs. Should I add these other foods to his
> diet? If I don't add them, should I supplement to make sure he gets
> all the essential vitamins?
*****
If these nutrients come from substances that are not species
appropriate, there's nothing to suggest the nutrients are useful for
the dog. If the dog is not getting its appropriate nutrients from the
meat, bones and organs it eats, fix the diet. Supplements are not the
answer.

I suggest you ask which nutrients are not being provided (proof please)
and I suggest you check out the USDA nutrient database to check what
nutrients your raw foods do in fact offer.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

In fact, here's another:

http://www.nutritiondata.com/
Chris O

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4d. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:28 pm ((PDT))

Well, I have been reading Dr. Pitchairn's book Natual health for dogs
and cats. I get mixed messages and I am getting confused.

Tracy

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5a. Re: Gathering Info.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:26 pm ((PDT))

Lynette Friedrichs <lraefried@...> wrote:
The chicken in the grocery stores seems to contain 12% broth
solutions. How do you find chicken that isnt filled with this?
*****
Keep hunting.
Also, ask. If you tell us your general location, I'll betcha someone
will be from your neck o' the woods, and will have advice. There are
those who will tell you not to sweat the small stuff. I think you
should sweat the small stuff if you want to--but you may have to do
some leg work (or internet surfing or telephoning).

Also, I spotted some little Cornish game hens that were not filled
with solution. Would these be able to take the place of chicken?
*****
They are chicken, just younger. And some brands are
indeed "enhanced", so don't stop reading those labels. I split game
hens between my 31lb dog and the 10lb cat (not an even split) when I
find game hens cheap. They come and go, they do. For a while a
local store celebrating a "grand reopening" sold game hens for .99/lb
so how could I resist? Whole "real" chickens will be cheaper, you
just have to be persistent.

> When feeding raw, do any of you ever give your dogs your food while
you are eating? Like bits of toast or french fries?
*****
Oh, I certainly do. Not as bad as "one for me, one for you" and not
from the table, but I do share bits and pieces. Toast corners, ice
cream bowls to lick, crumbs to clean up, even table scraps. I don't
see a conflict between a good raw diet and treats. It's when treats
stop being special and start being ordinary that the concept has to
be rethunk.

Chris O

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6a. Re: QUESTION ABOUT EGGS
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Nancy!
It must be egg day, today! ^_^

Eggs is good food.
I just looked up the composition of eggs - just the yolk and white, the usda
doesn't list eggshells;
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl
Eggs, scrambled, frozen mixtureNew
Search<http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/index.html>
*NDB No:* 43285 (Nutrient values and weights are for edible portion)
*Refuse:* 0%
Nutrient Units Value per
100 grams Number
of Data
PointsStd.
Error *Proximates* Water g
72.70
0
0
Energy kcal
133
0
0
Energy kj
556
0
0
Protein g
13.10
0
0
Total lipid (fat) g
5.60
0
0
Ash g
1.10
0
0
Carbohydrate, by difference g
7.50
0
0
Fiber, total dietary g
0.0
0
0
Sugars, total g
7.50
0
0

So, there's a LOT of water, some protein, a little fat, and more sugar than
I'd expected.

*Minerals* Calcium, Ca mg
17
0
0
Iron, Fe mg
0.23
0
0
Magnesium, Mg mg
10
0
0
Phosphorus, P mg
30
0
0
Potassium, K mg
147
0
0
Sodium, Na mg
162
0
0
Zinc, Zn mg
0.14
0
0
Copper, Cu mg
0.030
0
0
Selenium, Se mcg
22.9
0
0
*Vitamins* Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid mg
0.0
0
0
Thiamin mg
0.010
0
0
Riboflavin mg
0.300
0
0
Niacin mg
0.090
0
0
Vitamin B-6 mg
0.010
0
0
Folate, total mcg
17
0
0
Folic acid mcg
0
0
0
Folate, food mcg
17
0
0
Folate, DFE mcg_DFE
17
0
0
Choline, total mg
192.6
0
0
Vitamin B-12 mcg
0.17
0
0
Vitamin B-12, added mcg
0.00
0
0
Vitamin A, IU IU
410
0
0
Vitamin A, RAE mcg_RAE
21
0
0
Retinol mcg
0
0
0
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) mg
0.84
0
0
Vitamin E, added mg
0.00
0
0
Vitamin K (phylloquinone) mcg
1.8
0
0
*Lipids* Fatty acids, total saturated g
1.052
0
0
4:0 g
0.000
0
0
6:0 g
0.000
0
0
8:0 g
0.000
0
0
10:0 g
0.000
0
0
12:0 g
0.000
0
0
14:0 g
0.009
0
0
16:0 g
0.717
0
0
18:0 g
0.318
0
0
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g
2.339
0
0
16:1 undifferentiated g
0.057
0
0
18:1 undifferentiated g
2.272
0
0
20:1 g
0.004
0
0
22:1 undifferentiated g
0.000
0
0
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g
1.778
0
0
18:2 undifferentiated g
1.635
0
0
18:3 undifferentiated g
0.115
0
0
18:4 g
0.000
0
0
20:4 undifferentiated g
0.019
0
0
20:5 n-3 g
0.001
0
0
22:5 n-3 g
0.000
0
0
22:6 n-3 g
0.005
0
0
Cholesterol mg
65
0
0
*Other* Alcohol, ethyl g
0.0
0
0
Caffeine mg
0
0
0
Theobromine mg
0
0
0
Carotene, beta mcg
246
0
0
Carotene, alpha mcg
0
0
0
Cryptoxanthin, beta mcg
0
0
0
Lycopene mcg
0
0
0
Lutein + zeaxanthin mcg
0
0
0

There's also minerals, vitamins, unsaturated and saturated fats and lots of
Beta Carotene

If they're cheap, I'd feed them. But, I'd put them way back on the
introductory priority list, AFTER several types of protein variety and organ
variety.

The disadvantages?
1) They're loosening, so introduce them slowly. I don't feed whole meals of
eggs, just snacks of one or two at a time.
2) The SMELL! Egg farts can be eye stinging and room clearing. Think sulfur!
If it doesn't bother you, or your dog, then, OK.

They can be great fun, and amusement for you and your dog if you feed them
whole.
It doesn't matter if they eat the shells, or not.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/11/07, miensasis <kpmnlm@patmedia.net> wrote:
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> Hi All...
>
> I was just wondering what effect raw eggs have on bowel habits? Are
> they equivalent of organs in the sense that they can cause runny poo?
> While my newbie wheatens are really just getting adjusted to chicken
> and bone....when would eggs eventually be introduced into the mix?
> After I get to the point of slowly introducing a variety of meat
> sources? Or along with?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nancy
>
>

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6b. Re: QUESTION ABOUT EGGS
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:44 pm ((PDT))

"miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
> I was just wondering what effect raw eggs have on bowel habits?
Are
> they equivalent of organs in the sense that they can cause runny
poo?
*****
They should be fed to bowel tolerance and generally require gradual
introduction to the menu. Every new food merits gradual introduction
to the diet; most non-bony foods will cause loose stools if sprung
unaware on a dog. Eggs are no eggception.

Loose stools are not necessarily the sign of anything but too much:
too much new, too much fat, too much quantity. Start with one egg
and move along only as the dog's digestion says move.

While my newbie wheatens are really just getting adjusted to chicken
> and bone....when would eggs eventually be introduced into the mix?
*****
Eggs are good food and they are relatively species appropriate food
but they aren't required. I endorse them but pretty much forget to
feed them. You can feed a single egg now if you want. Eggs are
definitely a "when you want to" food item. If things get messier
than you would prefer, stop feeding eggs.

After I get to the point of slowly introducing a variety of meat
> sources? Or along with?
*****
Feed an egg while you're still in the chicken mode. In fact, I
recommend you also feed chicken liver and heart and gizzard (in
teensy introductory pieces) when you are still in the chicken mode.

In fact in fact, I recommend you add bits of pork and beef and
whatever else you got while you are still in the chicken mode.

Use chicken as a platform to build on, not jump off from.
Chris O

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6c. Re: QUESTION ABOUT EGGS
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:28 pm ((PDT))

> Feed an egg while you're still in the chicken mode. In fact, I
> recommend you also feed chicken liver and heart and gizzard (in
> teensy introductory pieces) when you are still in the chicken mode.
>
> In fact in fact, I recommend you add bits of pork and beef and
> whatever else you got while you are still in the chicken mode.
>
> Use chicken as a platform to build on, not jump off from.
> Chris O
>

Chris...

Thanks for the informative response. Your suggestion to look at
chicken as a platform to build on is so helpful and makes perfect sense!

Nancy

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7a. Re: Great Prices on chicken
Posted by: "Kevin Brown" jerseykev@aol.com noblarneyzone
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:44 pm ((PDT))

Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

The more time I spend with my mastiffs, the more I realized how foolish
it was to marry...

LOL

Kevin

Baby, Georgeanne & Baxter.
guardiansbythesea.com

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8a. Re: CAN YOU GUYS GIVE ME A FEW EXAMPLES? :-) PLS
Posted by: "angela182548" angela182548@yahoo.com angela182548
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:13 pm ((PDT))

***EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEASE REMEMBER TO TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.***

---
Thanks again for your help... The babies thank you!!
ok I am feeding a 70 lb shepherd/chow mix Charlie ~ a 50 lb
pit/beagle mix Lula Belle ~ 7mo old red nose about 30-35lbs Maycie

Tonight I went to the butcher and got turkey necks, gizzards, and
cows feet ...are cows feet ok? they are pretty cool lookin'...Do you
guys use the feet.. they are big...

Tonight I gave them each a turkey neck .. baby only ate half... and
I gave baby 2 gizzards and lula & charlie 3 gizzards. Is that ok?

When I give them boneless meat how much should I use?

Thanks for all of your help, Angela

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9.1. Re: Oil
Posted by: "debjmays" djmays1@alltel.net debjmays
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:13 pm ((PDT))

Hi,
I have been feeding raw for about 1 mth. I am happy with the results
thus far. I was going to start with fish oil. How much do I give my
dogs? I have two labs. One is 95 lbs and one is 45 lbs. I have the
1000mg fish oil softgels.

Thank you!

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10a. Switching to "big"/Gorge-Fast
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:14 pm ((PDT))

I have read several times that you ought to wait until your newbie dog
is accustomed to raw before you start to think about switching them to
either once a day feeding or the gorge/fast method. I know we're still
too new for this (he's only been on raw for three and a half weeks or
so) but I'm wondering how I figure out when he might be ready for that
sort of a switch. It sounds like something that would be so good for
him but I'd hate to rush him into something he wasn't ready for
(whenever that may be, hehe).

Also, someone mentioned getting tips on how to start to intruduce whole
prey to the dog. Mine eats whole *little* critters (basically the
cats' food, hehe) but I'm wondering if I'd need to ease him into, say,
bunnies? He eats rats and guinea pigs without the slightest hesitation
and they're furry and uncut. That said, would he likely happily chow
down on a while rabbit when I get him to that point?

Shannon H.

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10b. Re: Switching to "big"/Gorge-Fast
Posted by: "temy1102" ahn.tammy@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:35 pm ((PDT))

i wait until it appears that they are reliably eating well with no
digestion problems. the bone vomit and mucus diarrhea have to be long
gone. and then i just go cold turkey to one meal a day. now my big
dog is every other day.

i've heard some people say that their dogs dislike rabbit because of
the very lean meat. i haven't tried furry whole prey yet, but it
sounds like your dog will probably do really well. i wish our co-op
offered whole furry meals!

-tammy

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11a. Re: Wretching Dog
Posted by: "mandarini_gg" amanda.gasparini@gmail.com mandarini_gg
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:14 pm ((PDT))

I'd go to the vet immediately, Not next week. Better safe than sorry.

Mandi

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11b. Re: Wretching Dog
Posted by: "patrice_quinn" patrice@patricequinn.com patrice_quinn
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:37 pm ((PDT))

Mandi--I am happy to report that, after five days of touch and go,
Sadie barked yesterday for the first time since her choking incident
and cleared a bone that was lodged in her esophagus! She hasn't
gagged or retched since and is returning to her happy little self. I
am continuing to feed her cautiously for a couple of days and giving
her SEBP as Giselle suggested. We will continue to rawfeed but will
not be giving bones anymore. I'll be adding ground eggshells for now
and looking into bonemeal as a substitute to get them the calcium they
need.

Thank you ALL who responded, it's a wonderful comfort to have your
support, Patrice and Michael Quinn and "kids" Sadie, Sophie and Sammy

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12a. Re: Is this normal??
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

>"bile and bone bits vomit", you'll see that lots of dogs experience this -

Hi,Casey. Yes,I knew that if bone was too much and could not handle amount of bone or too big to digest bone,it comes right up.

However,I was not too sure about hoaking up after hours from consumptions.

Thanks,

yassy

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13a. Re: switching kitten to raw
Posted by: "temy1102" ahn.tammy@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:36 pm ((PDT))

I'm kind of in the same situation as you, and I'm starting my little
feral baby on chicken, and later tuna and pork. As we speak she is
trying to get into my Dobie's crate while Grover munches on a lamb
leg. :) I considered putting the kitten in there when Grover's
finished and see how she does with a piece of meat and bone 100 times
the size of her. Maybe I will.

-Tammy

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