[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12148

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: WILLTHEY CHOKE ON CHICKEN BONES???
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: Questions about Fish
From: Sandee Lee

3a. Re: duke needs to brush his teeth.
From: Sandee Lee
3b. Re: duke needs to brush his teeth.
From: Sandee Lee

4a. Re: no poop
From: spricketysprock
4b. Re: no poop
From: Sandee Lee
4c. Re: no poop
From: Morledzep@aol.com

5a. Dog/Household Cleanliness
From: redshorty1959
5b. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
From: mgitaville
5c. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
From: Andrea
5d. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
From: T Smith

6. WAs Re:Not Eating Much.....? NOW- FEEDING TOY DOGS
From: Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)

7a. Re: Gorging---bloat concern?
From: Dawn Crosier
7b. Re: Gorging---bloat concern?
From: T Smith
7c. Re: Gorging---bloat concern?
From: Dawn Crosier

8a. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
From: redshorty1959
8b. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
From: pretty24355
8c. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
From: Sandee Lee
8d. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
From: cypressbunny

9a. Re: switching kitten to raw
From: Dawn Crosier

10a. Re: CAN YOU GUYS GIVE ME A FEW EXAMPLES? :-) PLS
From: Christine

11a. Re: Green tripe-not so green..questions
From: Morledzep@aol.com

12a. Re: I'm starting to become concerned about my little Iggy
From: Morledzep@aol.com

13. Re: his first whole furry rabbit / behaviour changes / food on roof
From: Lisa S.

14. Gathering Info.
From: Lynette Friedrichs

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1.1. Re: WILLTHEY CHOKE ON CHICKEN BONES???
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:59 am ((PDT))

Hi Angela,

Being carnivores, dogs receive all of their necessary nutrition from meat,
bones and organs. No need for carbohydrates at all. You can safely dump
all of your mixtures! Easy, huh????

Chick peas???? LOL

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "angela182548" <angela182548@yahoo.com>
Thanks soooo much . Ok so I shouldnt use the veggie mixture or chick
peas or anything other than protien sources? What about carbs? they
dont need them? yogurt? cottage cheese?
How many times do I feed them per day? You gave me sooo much good
info and I am grateful. I just want to do this right. So 86 the
mixture? Gosh I am so nervous... I want to do the best that i can
and I want to make sure that they are getting all the nutrition they
need. Thanks, Angela

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2a. Re: Questions about Fish
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:02 am ((PDT))

Freezing does not kill bacteria....it will kill parasites, which is
recommended for fresh caught salmonoids in the PNW. Once frozen, they are a
great food source for our carnivores! Commercial fish has already been
frozen.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "susrob061174" <susrob061174@yahoo.com>

I believe the reasoning for freezing the fish is to kill any worms,
bataria lurking on or in the fish.

Basically any kind. I fish for my own. The only fish I heard not the
feed your dog is the Northern Pacfic Salmon.

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3a. Re: duke needs to brush his teeth.
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:13 am ((PDT))

You've just been lucky. Tooth enamel is softer than those bones and
eventually there is going to be damage.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Lene Andersen" <leneandersen@ntribs.com>
> In all my years with dogs (quite a few dogs actually having run a
Greyhound
> breeding & racing kennel for 6 years) I have given my dogs marrow bones. I
> have not experience any of the above problems. Guess I have just been
lucky
> or my dogs have had exceptionally strong teeth.

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3b. Re: duke needs to brush his teeth.
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:21 am ((PDT))

Cow knuckles are not going to clean teeth...more than likely they will only
serve to wear down enamel or break teeth. Nice large tough chunks of meat
are necessary for cleaning/flossing.

A dog that bolts food, needs to be fed larger. Hand feeding is not going to
teach appropriate eating habits...and holding on to food often encourages
the behavior as they think as they think it's going to be taken away which
makes them want to eat faster! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "susrob061174" <susrob061174@yahoo.com>

If you can get a cow knuckle, raw that would work wonders. You can use
turkey necks too, but I would wait until he learns to eat slower.

If he is scarfing down its food, you want to hand feed until he slows
down. It not good for a dog to inhale its food. The dog needs to have
the chewing action to eat raw to trigger the production of stomach acid.

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4a. Re: no poop
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:19 am ((PDT))

Hi Todd,
I'm not sure what the problem is, but it's typical for my dog to go
two days without pooping since he's been on raw. I upped his bone
intake and that worked wonders. Make sure your dog is getting enough
bone, I suggest a meal of chicken legs with the thighs attached. She
may have a blockage but she would probably be more sick in that
case.

As for grains, I cut them out completely, but I'm all for whatever
works for your dog. Grain does get things moving, but it's also
binding - especially rice. I've given my dog rice with ground beef
when he's had diarrhea and it's firmed him right up. So, if your dog
is constipated, and you gave her rice on top of that, it may have
made her even more constipated!

I suggest the chicken and a long walk - exercise really helps. The
vet is a good idea since she's so sluggish. It could be from
constipation but if not it could be something more serious.

And in the future, if you feel that grains make a significant
positive difference for your dog, then I say stick with it. Rice and
human-grade meat is worlds better than kibble any day!

Good luck and keep us updated!
Jess and Toby

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "rawnewfie" <rawnewfie@...> wrote:
>
> I started my 10 year old retriever on raw food about 3 weeks ago.
Mostly it has been fine.
> Some things like chicken were tough to entice her to, but she has
been OK. Last night she
> had a big meal sliced pork toungue, some chicken gizzard and a
little chicken livers. after
> dinner went for a walk, she tried to go and two little rabbit
turds. today no poop. this is now
> well over 30 hours without defecating. Tonight my new Newfoundland
puppy arrived. I fed
> them both rice with a little bit 1/2 cup of milk over it, and some
chicken livers. I know the
> group is against any grain at all. But I wanted to try and get
things moving for the retriever,
> and frankly I don't know what to give this 8 week old pup.
> How long should I wait before the retriever is an emergency? She
is real sluggish and is a
> little bit lame, it looks arthitic but this is kind of new.
> I made a vet appointment so I anticipate some science diet lecture
in my near future.
>
> I have heard from several sources that newfies are historically
fed on some sort of meal
> meaning porridge or something. Please don't respond with that dogs
are 99% wolf DNA. dogs
> have been in our stewardship for thousands of years and
genetically modified to breed
> standards so that rational needs some attention.
> Thanks
> Todd
>

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4b. Re: no poop
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:31 am ((PDT))

Todd,

Here are a few messages from past discussions about feeding puppies.....

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135757
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135847
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/137170

Basically they need the same as adults...lots and lots of meat, variety, a
little bone and organs.

If you read through rawfed.com and the rawfeeding myths, you will find facts
regarding the anatomy and physiology of a carnivore, facts from Merck's (the
veterinary Bible) and Waltham (major pet good manufacturer) stating dogs
have no requirement for carbohydrates, etc. There is no need to be confused
or unsure when you look at science!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "rawnewfie" <rawnewfie@yahoo.com>

I started my 10 year old retriever on raw food about 3 weeks ago. Mostly it
has been fine.
Some things like chicken were tough to entice her to, but she has been OK.
Last night she
had a big meal sliced pork toungue, some chicken gizzard and a little
chicken livers. after
dinner went for a walk, she tried to go and two little rabbit turds. today
no poop. this is now
well over 30 hours without defecating. Tonight my new Newfoundland puppy
arrived. I fed
them both rice with a little bit 1/2 cup of milk over it, and some chicken
livers. I know the
group is against any grain at all. But I wanted to try and get things moving
for the retriever,
and frankly I don't know what to give this 8 week old pup.

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4c. Re: no poop
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:01 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/10/2007 9:45:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rawnewfie@yahoo.com writes:

Tonight my new Newfoundland puppy arrived. I fed
them both rice with a little bit 1/2 cup of milk over it, and some chicken
livers. I know the
group is against any grain at all. But I wanted to try and get things moving
for the retriever,
and frankly I don't know what to give this 8 week old pup.
How long should I wait before the retriever is an emergency? She is real
sluggish and is a
little bit lame, it looks arthitic but this is kind of new.

Todd,

the way to start a raw diet is not to feed a couple things one day and then
hold your breath..

dogs naturally poop less when fed raw because the food is easier to digest
and their bodies use more of it. there are no grains and fillers to push
through to make huge unnecessary poops and digestive upset.

We always recommend starting slow.. one type of meat for a couple weeks or at
the very least a few days till the dogs' body adjusts. Then add one new type
of meat and organs in after that. Gives the dog more time to adjust to new
and different things, and if there is a problem with one type of meat you can
catch it immediately.

Puppies, breed doesn't matter, need to eat approximately the same amount they
would as an adult each day, only split into 3 or 4 meals per day. As they
grow the meal size can be increased and the frequency decreased. And they eat
all the same things the adults do.. MEAT, edible bones and organs.

I don't know what you want from us.. do you want advise? do you want to feed
raw prey model to your dogs? why ask any questions at all if you don't want
to hear what we're going to tell you? NO ONE on this list is going to give
you permission to feed inappropriate crap to your dog, that is your decision.

Catherine R.

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5a. Dog/Household Cleanliness
Posted by: "redshorty1959" kphhp@hotmail.com redshorty1959
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:20 am ((PDT))

Hello,
Questions:

1. Ideas/experience for keeping the dog clean after eating (is it on
their feet, chest and chin??)

2. Ideas/experience where/how to feed so as to give them time to eat,
and not have a mess later.

3. How long does it take them to eat??? (I'm thinking 9-5 work
schedule here, no time to wait half hr while the dog devours his food
in a crate - type thing)

I am doing my research ahead of time. I do not have dogs yet. Cats
yes...(I am giving them ground raw on a plate)

thank you,
kathleen

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5b. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
Posted by: "mgitaville" mgitaville@hotmail.com mgitaville
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:50 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "redshorty1959" <kphhp@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Questions:
>
> 1. Ideas/experience for keeping the dog clean after eating (is it
on
> their feet, chest and chin??)
>
*****I think you will find that the dogs clean themselves pretty
well. My dog tends to lick his paws after a meal to clean them and
he wipes his face on his bed. (knows after being told "no, on your
bed" the couch, my pants, etc. is not appropriate and moves to his
bed.) However, if you feel it is necessary which I do occasionally
after a a rib slab meal you can simply wipe down their mouth and paws
with a cloth rag. I somehow get the impression you are envisioning
bloody meat paw prints or such....that isn't the case.

> 2. Ideas/experience where/how to feed so as to give them time to
eat,
> and not have a mess later.
>
******Once again, the mess is minimal once the dogs get the idea.
some people feed in a crate, some on a plastic tablechloth, some on a
towel as I do, some in the backyard. The first week they may be
tempted to take the food somewhere else like their bed but if you
simply pick it up and take it back to wherever you have designated as
their place to eat they quickly understand they need to stay there in
order to keep eating. Towels get used for a week or 2 then tossed in
a hot wash. Plastic can be easily wiped down.

> 3. How long does it take them to eat??? (I'm thinking 9-5 work
> schedule here, no time to wait half hr while the dog devours his
food
> in a crate - type thing)
>
*******Depends on the meal. There are certainly days I feed based on
what I have time for. Leg quarters and boneless meals are gone in 5-
10 minutes at the most. Rib slabs are a working meal and will last
for an hour. I am not sure why you think it is tough to feed while
working.... are you not home for 30 minutes to feed your pets in the
evenings? If it is the morning that concerns you well the answer is
easy....don't feed them in the morning. You will find many of us
only feed our dogs once a day b/c it actually works better for htem.
Puppies are an exception however to this.

Be sure to check out ideas for cats besides ground...wings I believe
are a great meal for them (I am not a cat owner so do not want to say
too much).

Marguerita
> I am doing my research ahead of time. I do not have dogs yet.
Cats
> yes...(I am giving them ground raw on a plate)
>
> thank you,
> kathleen
>

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5c. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:50 am ((PDT))

My dogs keep themselves pretty clean on their own. At the beginning
I would use a hand towel to wipe off their faces and feet. As we
went along they started cleaning their own faces (usually on their
beds or the carpet). There's no need to worry about bacteria and
such infesting your house since it's unlikely that any place in the
house is bacteria free - raw feeding or not.

I usually feed the dogs after I come home from work while I am
tidying up or fixing dinner. They eat on their pet beds which get
washed every week or so when they get funky. It takes anywhere
between 15minutes to an hour for them to eat their fill, depending on
what they are eating.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "redshorty1959" <kphhp@...> wrote:

> 1. Ideas/experience for keeping the dog clean after eating (is it
> on their feet, chest and chin??)
>
> 2. Ideas/experience where/how to feed so as to give them time to
> eat, and not have a mess later.
>
> 3. How long does it take them to eat??? (I'm thinking 9-5 work
> schedule here, no time to wait half hr while the dog devours his
> food in a crate - type thing)

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5d. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:16 am ((PDT))

We use crates (When the other two arrive) for the Danes. Right now we
rotate and toss the blankets in the wash after feeding (I have a 2 year old
son I don't want getting Salmonella!)
the dogs clean up well for themselves or each other.
My three Lhasas have their own room & blankets are rotated regular.
We also have the house cleaned weekly with bleach. All counters are
disinfected daily....
It's just a matter of how much you want to do.
we have 3 businesses plus my husband is military & there are 4 adults, 9
dogs, 1 child, 1 cat, 6 Guinea pigs.........all living here..
Trina
and the insane gang
--
Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)

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6. WAs Re:Not Eating Much.....? NOW- FEEDING TOY DOGS
Posted by: "Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com carolyn.garnaas
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:35 am ((PDT))

Feeding toy dogs, at least, toys with a normal bite, is just as easy as
feeding the big dogs (and a lot cheaper!). My six-pound Toy Poodle,
Molly, weighed two pounds when I got her from the breeder at nine weeks
old. Her first day with me, I gave her a whole game hen.

She went for it with gusto (those were the days) and never looked back.
That was four years ago. In pretty short order Molly was consuming lamb,
pork, beef, venison (when I could get it) and all the birdies; chicken,
little chicken (game hens), turkey, quail, duck, and even ostrich, when
I am feeling all sprightly and energetic of a Saturday morn and am
willing to go out of my way to snare an ostrich for her (kidding -
Golden Gate Meat Company sells it).

Molly, being a Poodle and somewhat fond of herself, actually tries to
claim credit for suggesting rawfeeding, but this is just silly. We both
know it was our friend Debbie who first suggested it.

Carolyn J. Garnaas and Molly Toy Poodle, Who Mostly Babysits Her Food
For Days On End Before Eating It.

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7a. Re: Gorging---bloat concern?
Posted by: "Dawn Crosier" dlcrosier@sbcglobal.net dlc110161
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:49 am ((PDT))

Here's the way a good ol' boy vet explained to me about bloat....

Feed a dog a big sloshy meal and then take him out to run is one sure way to
cause bloat. This is because the stomach is full and starts swinging from
side to side and can twist itself. That's why many hunting dogs have
problems, because the hunter takes him to the motel after a long hard day of
hunting, feeds a big meal and lets the dog tank up on water, and then takes
it out for one last run for the evening.

Made sense to me. I've witnessed a horse who got colic. She fed on some
extremely rich alfalfa hay - then laid down in it and rolled. After hours of
trying to get it untwisted and walking her, the vet finally put her down.

So, my take is this... feed a nice big meal and just like we all do after
our huge Thanksgiving dinner - let the dog lay down and sleep it off.

Dawn

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7b. Re: Gorging---bloat concern?
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:21 am ((PDT))

Hi Dawn ,
I'd like to correct your statement please.
A twisted stomach is torsion.

Bloat is not the same but they may go hand in hand....... SHIRT VERSION:
Bloat is characterized by stomach enlargement due to extreme gas and or
dilation and MAY be followed by Dilation ~ "volvulus" a twisting rotation
of the stomach which is torsion.

Dogs can die from bloat but not get torsion (twisted stomach) although they
usually happen together, they are defined separately.
Trina

On 10/11/07, Dawn Crosier <dlcrosier@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Here's the way a good ol' boy vet explained to me about bloat....
>
> Feed a dog a big sloshy meal and then take him out to run is one sure way
> to
> cause bloat. This is because the stomach is full and starts swinging from
> side to side and can twist itself. That's why many hunting dogs have
> problems, because the hunter takes him to the motel after a long hard day
> of
> hunting, feeds a big meal and lets the dog tank up on water, and then
> takes
> it out for one last run for the evening.
>
> So, my take is this... feed a nice big meal and just like we all do after
> our huge Thanksgiving dinner - let the dog lay down and sleep it off.
>
> Dawn
>
>

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7c. Re: Gorging---bloat concern?
Posted by: "Dawn Crosier" dlcrosier@sbcglobal.net dlc110161
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:30 am ((PDT))

Thanks Trina -

I didn't get that from his talk. I was a new Great Dane owner and had been
scared by the kennel operator where I had to let her stay while I traveled
overnight, so he must have kept is simple for me.

I still stand by letting the dog sleep off a nice big meal.

Dawn

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8a. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
Posted by: "redshorty1959" kphhp@hotmail.com redshorty1959
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:49 am ((PDT))

Sorry, I'm confused. How am I supposed to respond to the post, if I do
not know the entire content? For example this one. I'm sure there is
waaay more to this 'story'...
What is the tactic here?

(i got that i'm to trim my post, i got that i'm to sign my
name..."change the subject title" is this a case of that??)
Kathleen

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pretty24355" <blackdogshaven@...>
wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> > *** Besides the horror of losing one's home, it would be a tragedy
to
> > lose this already too rare breed. I've sent money.
> > --Carrie
>
> I totally agree with Carrie.
>

> Karen
>

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8b. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
Posted by: "pretty24355" blackdogshaven@hcinet.net pretty24355
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

> Sorry, I'm confused. How am I supposed to respond to the post, if I
do not know the entire content? For example this one. I'm sure there
is waaay more to this 'story'... What is the tactic here?>

Hi Kathleen,

I guess I am not sure what details you are looking for. A tragedy
happened, and someone needs help. You of course do not have to respond
in any way or help.

Any other questions, please email me private. Thanks.

Karen
Moderator

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8c. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:25 am ((PDT))

Kathleen,

When you have missed a message and are confused <g>, you just need to go
look at past messages.

If you are on individual emails, it's as easy as clicking on the link
"Messages in this topic " which is found at the bottom of every messages.

If you are not on individual emails, you'll need to go to the list and click
on "messages".....
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "redshorty1959" <kphhp@hotmail.com>

Sorry, I'm confused. How am I supposed to respond to the post, if I do
not know the entire content? For example this one. I'm sure there is
waaay more to this 'story'...

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8d. Re: Off topic post from a moderator-Help Needed
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:12 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "redshorty1959" <kphhp@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sure there is
> waaay more to this 'story'...
> What is the tactic here?
>
> (i got that i'm to trim my post, i got that i'm to sign my
> name..."change the subject title" is this a case of that??)
> Kathleen

*** No you trimmed and signed just fine. I would have included the
paypal address in my post but yahoo truncates email addresses so I
didn't. The short version is, a fellow rawfeeder who also has been
at the forefront of the work to preserve a very rare breed of dog,
the Azawakh (and who also works to help the people who developed the
breed, the Kel Tamajaq of the Sahel region of Africa), had his house
burn to the ground last week. Even more tragically, he lost some
Azawakh that he was unable to rescue from the fire.

Here is the info to help:

>>Any financial help is appreciated. Money can be pay paled to his
sister
at _blhulsman@alltel.net_ (mailto:blhulsman@alltel.net)

--Carrie

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9a. Re: switching kitten to raw
Posted by: "Dawn Crosier" dlcrosier@sbcglobal.net dlc110161
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:49 am ((PDT))

Kristen -

This guy in Ontario can probably help you find someone closer to you. He is
the club secretary for the ONTARIO PROV NEW ZEALAND RBA (Rabbit Breeders
Association)

WILLIAM NELSON
1828 TOWNLINE RD RR2
STEVENSVILLE ON, CANADA

Here in Kansas most of the New Zealand breeders sell a whole rabbit for
between $4 and $5.

Dawn

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10a. Re: CAN YOU GUYS GIVE ME A FEW EXAMPLES? :-) PLS
Posted by: "Christine" chrizk20@yahoo.com chrizk20
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:15 am ((PDT))

I get whatever is on sale or cool finds!
and it can be anything from a whole chicken, chicken legs/thighs, to
bison, to turkey, pork, pork necks, chicken backs, gizzards,
chicken/beef/bison livers, whole eggs with shell, cow tongue, raw
fish/salman, and anything else I can find at the store or butcher. I
only feed once a day and I may or may not skip a day where they dont
get anything at all. I don't give any veggies or any suppliements
either. I don't do any weighing or percentage thingys; I just make sure
there is more meat then bone. I also make it as simple as possible on
me and my dogs! Someone on here gave a few websites to places that sell
whole/cut raw rabbits, goats, hearts, lungs, etc...which i am glad
because now i can order some things that i havent been able to find!
I love my dogs on raw! I just toss out whatever to them and they love
it! Even though, eating raw is nothing new for them, i still sit there
and watch them crunch away! I get enjoyment out of it knowing that my
dogs love it and are much healthier because of it.
Eventually you will have what works for you and your dogs, but in the
meantime, keep it simple!
I hope that helps and good luck!
christine k.
Go here if you havent done so already: http://www.rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angela182548" <angela182548@...>
wrote:
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> You all are sooo helpful, Thanks so much !
> I was hoping that I could get a few examples of your weekly (or a few
> days) feedings. I am sitting here getting ready to toss the veggie
> mush and start over per your advice. I trust what you tell me...
> because you all are doing it as well...and I am sure your babies are
> happy and healthy! We thank you ! Angela
>

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11a. Re: Green tripe-not so green..questions
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:37 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/11/2007 5:53:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
lar07911@yahoo.com writes:

Only thing is...the tripe is white
because it has been cleaned? Can I still feed that to my dogs, or is
it a waste of time? Thanks,

Laura,

that tripe has been cleaned and scalded to look like that. it's certainly
safe, but it's also had all it's nutrition cleaned out of it. Makes for an
interesting chew toy though.. not wolf chow.

Catherine R.

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12a. Re: I'm starting to become concerned about my little Iggy
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:45 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/11/2007 4:59:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mooska2me@sbcglobal.net writes:

He is
otherwise healthy, runs, plays, drinks and eliminates all right.
Maybe he is just one of those dogs that doesn't have much of an
appetite?

Carole,

what you're feeding sounds like it's VERY heavy on bone.. maybe he's smarter
than he looks and knows that he needs more meat and not so much bone.

Try some boneless cuts of meat. chicken breasts, hunks o beef, hunks o
pork.. and don't limit what he eats, offer him as much as he wants. A whole pork
cushion is a meal for one of my big dogs, so i know it's more than a 15 lb iggy
could eat on his best day. offer him a whole one, UNCUT.

I just had a thought.. are you cutting up the meat for them? chicken hearts
are bite sized.. might wanna check his teeth, sounds like he's holding out for
food that doesn't need chewed...

Get his teeth checked, and stand your ground.. no healthy dog will starve
themselves. BIG food requires chewing and exercise and strengthens and cleans
their teeth.

Catherine R.

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13. Re: his first whole furry rabbit / behaviour changes / food on roof
Posted by: "Lisa S." acbrio@shaw.ca trzazz
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:04 pm ((PDT))

>--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:

<snip>
>You should post the link here to the vid of your Brio eating the
>rabbit when you get it ul. Then, tell us about it when you make your
>friends watch!! heh heh ^_^

Hee hee ! I must get around to doing that. After I described to a
vegetarian about my dog eating a rabbit, it seemed to bother her, yet
she wanted the link to the video !! She said she wouldn't watch it
herself, but she would tell others about it. LOL !!

Thanks for the search tips. I did try searching with the subject line
previously, but maybe other methods / search terms might work better.

>Are you still noticing the behavior changes in Brio that started when
>you began raw feeding?
>TC
>Giselle
>with Bea in New Jersey

Yes. In fact, I have long suspected beef organs or perhaps beef
anything. Maybe pork, too. That seemed to be confirmed the other day.
I had not given him any beef part at all for the past while and he
was my nice, usual, steady, happy, calm dog. Then the other day, I
fed him a large ox tail (his first ever one of those too... which is
really beef). He chowed down on it with enthusiasm and polished it
off. Later that afternoon, he was spooking easily (barking at silly
things) and I also took him for a walk in some woods that same day
and he barked at an approaching man (he almost never does that -- he
usually ignores people in favour of ground scents) and he also went
nuts toward another leashed dog (which isn't the norm for him at all
either - he normally really likes other dogs). It could be a
coincidence, but I think it is the beef. I didn't give him anything
else that day because I wanted to know if it was the beef tail (not
just beef liver / organs) that was causing his behaviour changes. I
have noticed his itchiness is varying lately, too, but I guess I'm
not keeping track of foods and behaviours closely enough to figure it
out. It's not a huge problem, but I should probably see if I can
record things better and figure out if there really is a connection
or not. He has almost always scratched himself more than I would
consider normal dog scratching. My previous dogs (Poms) didn't.

Oh, something else funny. I often throw / scatter food as hard as I
can into the back yard so he has to hunt for pieces on the lawn. I
find it hilarious to watch how intently he looks for bits in the
grass and I figure it's a good mental challenge for him. I threw some
pieces of tripe a little too high and hard and two pieces of tripe
ended up on my house roof. I managed to pull one down with a rake,
but I couldn't reach the other piece and I had to leave. When I
looked the next day, the piece was no longer on the roof. I suspect
that crows or magpies got it ! Oh well !! They did me a favour. If
Brio could have climbed onto the roof to get that tripe, I'm sure he
would have.

- Lisa S.
and Brio (all these cool new foods lately ! Yummy !)
Calgary, Alberta

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14. Gathering Info.
Posted by: "Lynette Friedrichs" lraefried@sbcglobal.net cherrysmomma
Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:08 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,

I have been hanging out reading the digest for the past couple weeks trying to gather info. before I start feeding Cherry(pit mix, 3yrs., 40lbs., arthritis, hip dysplasia) a raw diet. The chicken in the grocery stores seems to contain 12% broth solutions. How do you find chicken that isnt filled with this? Also, I spotted some little Cornish game hens that were not filled with solution. Would these be able to take the place of chicken? They cost more.

When feeding raw, do any of you ever give your dogs your food while you are eating? Like bits of toast or french fries?

Thank you,
Lynette

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