[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12153

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Venison?
From: carnesbill
1b. Re: Venison?
From: jennifer_hell
1c. Re: Venison?
From: costrowski75
1d. Re: Venison?
From: krystal_brr
1e. Re: Venison?
From: Tina Berry

2a. Re: Gathering Info.
From: Dawn Taylor
2b. Re: Gathering Info.
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: Gathering Info.
From: Laura Atkinson

3a. Re: BALANCED EATING
From: katkellm
3b. Re: BALANCED EATING
From: angela182548

4a. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
From: Andrea
4b. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: Liver refusal
From: Marjorie Trebino
4d. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
From: Nataly A
4e. Re: Liver refusal
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: trayc2244
5b. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: Carol Dunster
5c. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: PLS HELP ME FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TO FEED AS A MEAL?
From: Andrea

7a. Re: Switching to "big"/Gorge-Fast
From: Andrea

8a. Re: dog with chronic diarrhea
From: Andrea

9a. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
From: Laura Atkinson
9b. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
From: Melissa
9c. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
From: redshorty1959

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1a. Re: Venison?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:10 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer_hell"
<jenniferhell@...> wrote:
>
> Any advice/ opinion/ input on venison?

If I could only feed ONE kind of meat, venison would be it.

> Is it fatty?

No

> I'm still in the "chicken" phase (first week), lol- so I'd wait
until
> I've introduced beef, turkey and lamb in a couple of weeks or more?
> Does that sound right?

Yes

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1b. Re: Venison?
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:00 am ((PDT))

Thank you, Bill! That's how it will be then. =)

Jennifer with Mandy from Germany

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:

> > I'm still in the "chicken" phase (first week), lol- so I'd wait
> until
> > I've introduced beef, turkey and lamb in a couple of weeks or more?
> > Does that sound right?
>
> Yes
>

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1c. Re: Venison?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:29 am ((PDT))

"jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...> wrote:
I can get ribs during the next
> two months or so. Is it fatty?
*****
In my experience, deer ribs are bones attached to bones and while a
good crunch are zip for meat. Vension as a rule is quite lean,
although at the end of a kind summer it's not uncommon to find deer
with a nice layer of fat laid down. Except for seasonal abundance,
wild game--the gamut--is generally quite lean.

> I'm still in the "chicken" phase (first week), lol- so I'd wait
until
> I've introduced beef, turkey and lamb in a couple of weeks or more?
*****
Heck, if I had ready access to vension, I'd shoot it right to the top
of my "gotta have" list and shove the other stuff down to "sooner or
later". Beef, turkey and lamb you can always get. Venison just
doesn't wait around, you know?

I recommend you grab that vension (hopefully you'll get more than
just ribs, what a disappointment that would be!) and introduce bits
of flesh in the chicken meals you are now feeding. Gently and
gradually increase the presence of vension so that by the time you
think everyone's ready to move on, you will have built a fine bridge
to the next step.
Chris O

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1d. Re: Venison?
Posted by: "krystal_brr" rkbarr@hughes.net krystal_brr
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:48 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...>
wrote:
>
> Any advice/ opinion/ input on venison? I can get ribs during the next
> two months or so. Is it fatty?
>

Venison is generally very lean, and I add fattier meat with it to make
up for how lean it is. I live in Montana and we have a lot of it.

Krystal

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1e. Re: Venison?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:32 am ((PDT))

"Venison is generally very lean, and I add fattier meat with it to make
up for how lean it is. I live in Montana and we have a lot of it. Krystal"

Hey Krystal - where in MT are you? I'm in Kalispell. And we feed 100% deer
meat for atleast 9 months a year; I'd prefer 12. IMO venison is the
healthiest thing to feed and closest to their natural diet.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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2a. Re: Gathering Info.
Posted by: "Dawn Taylor" dawnmarie1968@tx.rr.com dawnt91
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:10 am ((PDT))

(((I live in the Fort Worth, Texas area. Anybody out there that lives here?....I would like to know where you find your meat)))

I live in Arlington, and I basically just watch the grocery store fliers. I've had great luck doing this and am able to usually feed my dogs for under $1 a pound. I also go to the local hispanic and asian markets for weird organs. It's amazing what they carry.

My dogs currently eat chicken, turkey, pork, beef, a tiny bit of rabbit (they don't care for it), and lamb when I'm feeling generous.

I still need to find a local butcher, but I haven't put that much effort into it yet.

Oh, and I've had good luck with freecycle and craigslist.

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Dawn Taylor

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2b. Re: Gathering Info.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:49 am ((PDT))

"carolejc2007" <mooska2me@...> wrote:
>> Wal-Mart sells 10 lb bags of chicken thighs/legs for something like
> $4.96 and I don't believe they have anything added to enhance the
> flavor.
*****
Since everyone who has shopped Walmart chicken reports of enhancement,
I fully expect the FW Walmart sells enhanced leg quarters as well. In
fact, I think the norm with bags of leg quarters anywhere (okay maybe
except Whole Foods or the like) is to "enhance" or "glaze" the parts
before freezing. Some chicken parts sold by the "tray" are unenhanced
but if one is looking to avoid the enhanced stuff one may STILL need to
do one's own advanced homework.
Chris O

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2c. Re: Gathering Info.
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:58 am ((PDT))

Our Walmart *used* to sell unenhanced chicken quarters. Sadly, they seem to
have switched suppliers and now the chicken quarters are not only enhanced,
but look icky. While I don't mind feeding "off" meat to my dogs, I
certainly refuse to buy it that way!

On 10/12/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
*****
Since everyone who has shopped Walmart chicken reports of enhancement,
I fully expect the FW Walmart sells enhanced leg quarters as well. In
fact, I think the norm with bags of leg quarters anywhere (okay maybe
except Whole Foods or the like) is to "enhance" or "glaze" the parts
before freezing. Some chicken parts sold by the "tray" are unenhanced
but if one is looking to avoid the enhanced stuff one may STILL need to
do one's own advanced homework.
Chris O

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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3a. Re: BALANCED EATING
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:12 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angela182548" <angela182548@...>
wrote:
> I am new to raw and wanted to know if you could please explain to me
> what 80-10-10 w/5%liver ratio means.

Hi Angela,
Its me again, not Nancy. The ratio reads 80% meat, 10% bone, 5% liver
and 5% organ other than liver. These numbers are not meant to be a
formula or a ratio that your meals must consist of daily. These
numbers, as i read it in the archives so this is a me take on it, came
to be because new to raw feeders had a hard time not following a
recipe. Newbies weren't comfortable starting a diet based on loose
generalities because the pet food industry has done an excellent job
of preying on our love for our pets and told us that we are incapable
of taking care of the pets we love and must rely on a heavily
formulated, highly calculated methodology of feeding to keep our pets
healthy. So, one of the list members did lots of measuring and
weighing and such of critters to come up with a ratio that describes
the make-up of the average animal that would be eaten. Hence, the
ratio. I think it is very useful in helping to get a visual of what to
feed and helps us to remember to feed organs and such. However when
all things are said and done, it really just means feed lots of meat,
some bone, a little organ and over the course of time all will be well.

KathyM who (gulp) always did get a C in history

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3b. Re: BALANCED EATING
Posted by: "angela182548" angela182548@yahoo.com angela182548
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:37 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:

Kathy, Thanks again ((((hugs)))) The kids also say thanks !!
You made it very clear.
You all have been extremely wonderful in helping us. I truly
appreciate it. It is so important to me to be able to help my
babies. I love this new way of feeding, it makes so much sense. And
it is less expensive than feeding the premium brand kibble, I
figured out that I was spending $4.25 a day to feed that crap. Thank
you for teaching me how to!! Angela

> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angela182548" <angela182548@>
> wrote:
> > I am new to raw and wanted to know if you could please explain
to me
> > what 80-10-10 w/5%liver ratio means.
>
>
> Hi Angela,
> Its me again, not Nancy. The ratio reads 80% meat, 10% bone, 5%
liver
> and 5% organ other than liver. These numbers are not meant to be a
> formula or a ratio that your meals must consist of daily. These
> numbers, as i read it in the archives so this is a me take on it,
came
> to be because new to raw feeders had a hard time not following a
> recipe. Newbies weren't comfortable starting a diet based on loose
> generalities because the pet food industry has done an excellent
job
> of preying on our love for our pets and told us that we are
incapable
> of taking care of the pets we love and must rely on a heavily
> formulated, highly calculated methodology of feeding to keep our
pets
> healthy. So, one of the list members did lots of measuring and
> weighing and such of critters to come up with a ratio that
describes
> the make-up of the average animal that would be eaten. Hence, the
> ratio. I think it is very useful in helping to get a visual of
what to
> feed and helps us to remember to feed organs and such. However
when
> all things are said and done, it really just means feed lots of
meat,
> some bone, a little organ and over the course of time all will be
well.
>
> KathyM who (gulp) always did get a C in history
>

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4a. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:58 am ((PDT))

Two days without food isn't all that long to a stubborn dog. If they
used to eat the food with no problem and just recently became fussy, I
would wait them out. Maybe try feeding it partially frozen or seared
on the outside. Liver from another animal might go over better with
them. If they prefer chicken liver to beef liver that's fine, but
liver isn't an option for the dogs in my house.

Cats are different, and I'll puree it, mix it with canned tuna, sear
it, freeze it, stand on my head, whatever it takes to get the cat to
eat it. Darn cats.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nataly A" <rap_squad@...> wrote:

> i tried not feeding her till she's hungry as hell and will eat, but
> she just stoped eating for 2 days and wasn't willing to even touch
> the livers/hearts offered to her. my mother in-law, which i
> converted too, says that she has the same prob. with her 2 dogs.

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4b. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:54 am ((PDT))

"Nataly A" <rap_squad@...> wrote:
> so now what? what do u think i should do? has anyone encountered this
> problem?
*****
It is quite common and what you should do is browse the list archives
for "liver" or "organs". Because people have asked and asked and asked
the question before, there are answers and answers and answers.

I assure you, most anything you'll encounter when feeding raw others
have already encountered and asked about. Please take advantage of the
learning curve of others.

Here's how to join Yahoogroups so you can access the Rawfeeding message
archives:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join
Chris O

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4c. Re: Liver refusal
Posted by: "Marjorie Trebino" mtrebino39@hotmail.com marjoriettt
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

I have had that problem with bear. He did eat the lambs liver a bit. I
bought the organ meat grind and he will eat a little of it but the tripe
with organs was a hit. I am wondering if there is enough organ meat in the
tripe to do the job. Margie

>From: "costrowski75" <Chriso75@AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:54:49 -0000
>
>"Nataly A" <rap_squad@...> wrote:
> > so now what? what do u think i should do? has anyone encountered this
> > problem?
>*****
>It is quite common and what you should do is browse the list archives
>for "liver" or "organs". Because people have asked and asked and asked
>the question before, there are answers and answers and answers.
>
>I assure you, most anything you'll encounter when feeding raw others
>have already encountered and asked about. Please take advantage of the
>learning curve of others.
>
>Here's how to join Yahoogroups so you can access the Rawfeeding message
>archives:
>http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join
>Chris O
>
>
>

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4d. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
Posted by: "Nataly A" rap_squad@yahoo.com rap_squad
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:48 am ((PDT))

hey Andrea,
thanks for your answer, first of all.
my aussie never liked liver, but she used to eat one or two chunks when she was a pup, and now she smells them and looks disgusted.
the pyrenees however used to eat EVERYTHING, he would eat the wrapper it came in if he could, and suddenly he doesnt wanna touch it either.
so u think i should wait them out till they eat? for how long? i have a feeling the aussie would eat dust-bunnies before she'd accept liver. but i never tried to feed seared liver.

Nat.

----- Original Message ----
From: Andrea <poketmouse45@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:58:17 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction

Two days without food isn't all that long to a stubborn dog. If they
used to eat the food with no problem and just recently became fussy, I
would wait them out. Maybe try feeding it partially frozen or seared
on the outside. Liver from another animal might go over better with
them. If they prefer chicken liver to beef liver that's fine, but
liver isn't an option for the dogs in my house.

Cats are different, and I'll puree it, mix it with canned tuna, sear
it, freeze it, stand on my head, whatever it takes to get the cat to
eat it. Darn cats.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogro ups.com, "Nataly A" <rap_squad@. ..> wrote:

> i tried not feeding her till she's hungry as hell and will eat, but
> she just stoped eating for 2 days and wasn't willing to even touch
> the livers/hearts offered to her. my mother in-law, which i
> converted too, says that she has the same prob. with her 2 dogs.

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4e. Re: Liver refusal
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:25 am ((PDT))

"Marjorie Trebino" <mtrebino39@...> wrote:
>
> I have had that problem with bear. He did eat the lambs liver a
bit. I
> bought the organ meat grind and he will eat a little of it but the
tripe
> with organs was a hit. I am wondering if there is enough organ meat
in the
> tripe to do the job. Margie
*****
I am not sure how much liver Mary includes in the TOMB blend, you might
write her or perhaps someone like Ginny would know.

Since you don't have to feed much liver (1%-3% of the menu), my guess
is the blend offers plenty of it (Mary told me the ultra-squishy
quality was due to liver content). And "plenty" almost certainly is
enough.

And who knows? Maybe with time he'll come to like liver by itself.
Chris O

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5a. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:59 am ((PDT))

Thanks everyone, very helpfyl.
I was only asking because it stated for a sick dog (mange) that a dog
needs to fast in order to get all the toxins out of the system. It
says to just feed vegetable broth and juice.

I think I will fast her from one day. She was being fed nasty science
diet, so fasting for one day shouldn't hurt her.

Thanks so much,
Tracy

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5b. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:37 am ((PDT))

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:25:29 -0000, you wrote:

>I was only asking because it stated for a sick dog (mange) that a dog
>needs to fast in order to get all the toxins out of the system. It
>says to just feed vegetable broth and juice.

I would think chicken broth would be more appropriate and healthy than
vegetable broth. Don't know when a "wild" dog would eat either veggies
or fruit. Since you want to switch to a healthy, natural diet, why not
start out that way?

Anyway, whatever you do the first day, I'm sure she will benefit from
an appropriate diet and heal from her mange a lot faster because of
it. :)
~ Carol
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cedunster@centurytel.net

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5c. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:06 am ((PDT))

"trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...> wrote:
>
> I am getting my rescue dog tomorrow (which has mange) I was
prepared
> to start her on the raw diet asap, but I have been reading and have
> been informed that I need to make her fast from 2-7 days before
> starting the raw diet.
*****
As others have written, there is no need to fast with such
intensity. Not for a dog switching to raw, not even for a dog
switching to a different kibble.

My guess is the recommendation is there to minimize the digestive
upset that is considered "normal" when a dog moves abruptly from
kibble formula to kibble formula. With a completely thoroughly empty
tummy, the dog is not likely to react poorly. Seems like this 2-7
days nonsense is a blanket recommendation with as little relevance
as "worm dogs every six months" has.

A dog with a crapped out immune system (as mange indicates) truly can
only benefit from an easily digested, highly nutritious species
appropriate diet. If not raw, what? If not now, when?
Chris O

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6a. Re: PLS HELP ME FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TO FEED AS A MEAL?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:15 am ((PDT))

Feed about 2% of their ideal adult body weight every day. Looks like
you'll be feeding between 1 to 1.5lbs for each dog.

Raw chicken bones don't splinter. They are soft and digest easily.
Cooked is a different story. FWIW, I never tell people why I am
buying all that meat. If they ask I just give them a look that
says "aren't you being a little nosey?" and say I'm making dinner.

Now, for the food you bought, turkey necks are ok but you're going to
need more meat. If you want to stick with turkey you can get a whole
one and have the meat guy cut it into pieces (6 way cut turkey?) or
you can get chickens to quarter. Gizzards are considered meaty meat,
but I don't think they are anything special, besides they are pretty
small. You want big pieces that will engage your dogs while they
eat, not small bite sized ones.

Beef feet are good fun chews, but don't really have enough meat to be
considered a meal. I'd stash them in the freezer and save them until
everyone has acclimated to the new diet and they can handle a
fatty/chewy meal.

I don't know how big the necks were, but you're shooting for about a
pound or more of food per day. Next time you get food think meaty
with a little bone. Your intuition was right, whole chickens and
turkey legs are good food items. You're doing fine, just don't let
random people scare you with the "I know a guy who's neighbor's dog
died because they ate a bone" stories.

Andrea

p.s. - to trim your message, just cut out the previous message except
for stuff that refers to what you are responding.

"angela182548" <angela182548@...> wrote:

> Tonight I went to the butcher and got turkey necks, gizzards, and
> cows feet ...are cows feet ok? they are pretty cool lookin'...
> I was ready to get turkey legs and whole chickens.....

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7a. Re: Switching to "big"/Gorge-Fast
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:25 am ((PDT))

The main reason that newbie dogs don't do well with big meals right
away is that their stomach isn't up for digesting all that food at
once and they end up with pretty loose stools. Once your dog is
comfortable with different proteins you can either slowly increase
the meal size until they have big meals or you can do what I did and
let them eat until they stop.

The first few times I let Geiger eat until he felt like stopping he
was a little overzealous and ended up puking up some of the extra.
Now he's much better at knowing where his limits are and he'll eat
about two days worth of food and then stop. I think he had loose
stool the first few times but he adjusted very quickly.

If your dog already eats fur on things he might not need much of an
intro to whole rabbits. You might need to cut the belly open to get
him started. Both of my dogs love rabbit, but Geiger refuses to
touch it if it still has fur.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Shannon Hully" <summerwolf@...>
wrote:
>
> I have read several times that you ought to wait until your newbie
> dog is accustomed to raw before you start to think about switching
> them to either once a day feeding or the gorge/fast method.
<snip>
> Also, someone mentioned getting tips on how to start to intruduce
> whole prey to the dog.

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8a. Re: dog with chronic diarrhea
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:29 am ((PDT))

Are you feeding him multiple meals or once a day? He might not be able
to digest a day's worth of food at once. Has he always been like this
or is it a new development?

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jab48328" <jab48328@...> wrote:

> He has diarrhea that causes him to strain and it shoots out. For
> several days in a row, I even gave him chicken backs to increase
> the bone. It has not helped.

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9a. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

Tracy, whatever you're reading, stop <grin>. I had these worries too, so I
went to the USDA website and looked up all of the nutrients that "they" say
dogs "need" as they try to reconstruct a healthy diet from artificial
sources. Because I'm anal, I made a chart and listed all of the sources of
that vitamin or mineral. I saved it on my website (look under Natural
Rearing) and every time I start to feel doubt, I refer to it again.

On 10/11/07, trayc2244 <BreeZ119@catt.com> wrote:
>
> I currently only feed meat, bones, and organs. I do not feed
> veggitables, fruit, legumes, or grains. I have just read some
> information and now I am concerned that my dog may not be getting all
> the nutrients that he needs. Should I add these other foods to his
> diet? If I don't add them, should I supplement to make sure he gets
> all the essential vitamins?
>
> Thanks
> Tracy
>
>

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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9b. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
Posted by: "Melissa" mwood8402@yahoo.com mwood8402
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

Ack! Throw that book out the window.

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I have been reading Dr. Pitchairn's book Natual health for dogs
> and cats.

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9c. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:18 am ((PDT))

"Melissa" <mwood8402@...> wrote:
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> Ack! Throw that book out the window.
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> -Melissa W
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I am SO with you, Melissa!
There are several books that can truly derail a good species
appropriate diet. His is one of them.

Chris O

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10a. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
Posted by: "redshorty1959" kphhp@hotmail.com redshorty1959
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mgitaville" <mgitaville@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "redshorty1959" <kphhp@> wrote:

AWESOME RESPONSE! Thank you very much - super helpful :~D

kat

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