[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12154

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
From: redshorty1959
1b. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
From: redshorty1959
1c. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
From: redshorty1959
1d. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
From: Jenny S
1e. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
From: redshorty1959

2.1. New Puppy
From: Jennifer
2.2. Re: New Puppy
From: Laura Atkinson
2.3. Re: New Puppy
From: Jennifer
2.4. Re: New Puppy
From: Andrea
2.5. Re: New Puppy
From: Tina Berry

3a. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
From: thebestformyboys

4a. Walmart Chicken Quaters was - Gathering Info.
From: krystal_brr
4b. Re: Walmart Chicken Quaters was - Gathering Info.
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: Walmart Chicken Quaters was - Gathering Info.
From: Casey Post

5a. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: Geri
5b. Re: I am so confused...Please help
From: Sandee Lee

6a. dosage for small dogs?
From: Carol Garnaat
6b. Re: dosage for small dogs?
From: Olga
6c. Re: dosage for small dogs?
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
From: Carol Dunster
7b. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
From: Nataly A

8a. Re: Venison?
From: jennifer_hell
8b. Re: Venison?
From: krystal_brr
8c. Re: Venison?
From: Tina Berry

9. HELP...worried my shiz tzu issnt eating enough
From: Jenny S

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1a. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
Posted by: "redshorty1959" kphhp@hotmail.com redshorty1959
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:34 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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> My dogs keep themselves pretty clean on their own. At the beginning
>
EXCELLENT HELP thank you very much --I get it now :~)

kat

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1b. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
Posted by: "redshorty1959" kphhp@hotmail.com redshorty1959
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:35 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
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> We use crates (When the other two arrive) for the Danes. Right now we
>

Wow! I really got a complete picture of how this is done, in all
sorts of 'whatever works for you' type fashion.

Thanx everyone!
kat

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1c. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
Posted by: "redshorty1959" kphhp@hotmail.com redshorty1959
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:38 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Sorensen
<steph.sorensen@...> wrote:
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Good point about the dirt/mud on feet. I think I will be inclined to
have the wet towel on hand too, and wash the other "table cloth" ea
day... I didnt realize you only feed once a day. That helps with the
getting ready for work schedule.
Thanks a bunch!
Kat

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1d. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
Posted by: "Jenny S" jenken69@shaw.ca jenken69
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:41 am ((PDT))

LoL on the cleanliness issue check my youtube doggy napkin..she keeps clean herself heehee...wetwipes help as well
Jenny S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34YjdBCu8I( Fun in the pool) way to funny..

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1e. Re: Dog/Household Cleanliness
Posted by: "redshorty1959" kphhp@hotmail.com redshorty1959
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:07 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
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> Of course my Danes & Dal have no hair issues. Just drooling
salmonella &
> meat parts all around the house after a good meal LOL!

Thank you thank you !

so much helpful information!
I love this place
kat

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2.1. New Puppy
Posted by: "Jennifer" kali_moonwolf@yahoo.com kali_moonwolf
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:36 am ((PDT))

***MODERATOR'S NOTE: WELCOME, DON'T FORGET TO SIGN YOUR POSTS.***

Hi everyone! Im getting my first puppy this weekend, a giant alaskan
malamute! Im so excited and I live in the Dallas, TX area! I've fed
raw before to my brother's adult dog several years back, but I'm
nervous about a puppy and was hoping you all could help answer some
questions! First, I want to make sure (as mentioned in previous
posts) that I don't need to give him vitamins or supplements. I've
heard that puppies may need something special to help their eyesight
and extra's like salmon oil, vitamins b and c and something like
nupet (is that it's name?) I'm worried because especially with a
giant breed that doesn't fully mature for 3 years, I've heard that
you don't want bone development happening fast, but you DO want a
very special ratio of vitamins so that they develop WELL. Needless to
say Im concerned. Ill be getting him at 7 weeks, and unfortunately
he'll have been fed on kibble most recently, and spent the last week
being wormed. What is the best way for switching a puppy to raw, and
are there any concerns in that area? I feed my 12-yr old cat that I
adopted last year, raw food and his health as greatly improved,
however, I give him several supplements, including taurine, salmon
oil, kelp, vit. e and b-complex. I can't get him to eat bones... he
eats AROUND the bone... any suggestions there? And finally, where do
you all feed your dogs? I live in a large 3-bedroom apt... Im trying
to save $ to take all the carpet out and roll out some wood-looking
linoleum, but it hasn't happenned yet.... do you all just mop the
kitchen every day? I remember juices stain concrete! ;o) And my very
LAST question (sorry this is so long) is does anyone have info. on
vaccines? I know this isn't the place, but Im interested in only
doing the bare minumum (rabies) and the 3 things Im worried about,
are parvo/distemper, flea med and heartworm med. Thanks for
everyone's great advice! Im very excited and cant WAIT to start!

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2.2. Re: New Puppy
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:50 am ((PDT))

Well, you've got a whole bunch of questions going on here <g>

First off...is there ANY way you can keep puppy with mom and littermates for
at least another week, preferably 2-3 weeks? I know you're dying to get the
little fluffball in your house, but those weeks from 8-10 weeks are so
critical to socialization and learning rules of dogs from Mom that I'd try
my best to leave him there a bit longer.

Puppies don't need anything other than meat, bones and organs. You don't
need to feed "extra" calcium, you don't need to add extra vitamins.
Everything they need to develop comes from meat, bones and organs. There's
an old wives tail in Siberians that adding vit c & e for the first year will
prevent the development of juvenile cataracts. I've filed that under "can't
hurt, might help" and when I remember, I give it to them. I've not had a
case of JC, but that could just be genetics, not the supplements.

You don't want a large/giant breed puppy to grow fast. By feeding the puppy
raw you'll be providing optimum nutrition for a natural rate of growth and
in time, the puppy will grow to its full, genetic potential.

You'll find that fleas and even mosquitos aren't really a problem in healthy
dogs. The parasites tend to go for the "easy" targets, not the healthy
ones. My neighbors have all sorts of problems with fleas, and we rarely see
a one.
--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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2.3. Re: New Puppy
Posted by: "Jennifer" kali_moonwolf@yahoo.com kali_moonwolf
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

haha, yes, lots of questions, that's me! If the situation were
different I'd have no problem leaving the puppy there. Unfortunately,
while I like the breeders' dogs, she's alreayd seperated the mother
from litter, and the puppy's are all leaving this week, so mine left
there would be pretty much alone. She also pumps them full of
vaccines and de-worming stuff (and is confused about why they've all
had terible diarrhea and even lost one) that I'd rather not have him
get. So in the end, I'll be getting him this weekend. ;o) Thanks for
the info on the vitamins and food... i read some old archives, so I'm
going to go ahead and start him out immediately on raw. She's giving
me some kibble and I'll just throw it out. He probably already had
diarrhea anyway, so I can't see any other problems just going for it!
Thanks for the advice!
Signed- (forgot last time, sorry)
-Jennifer

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
wrote:
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> Well, you've got a whole bunch of questions going on here <g>
>
> First off...is there ANY way you can keep puppy with mom and
littermates for
> at least another week, preferably 2-3 weeks? I know you're dying
to get the
> little fluffball in your house, but those weeks from 8-10 weeks are
so
> critical to socialization and learning rules of dogs from Mom that
I'd try
> my best to leave him there a bit longer.
>
> Puppies don't need anything other than meat, bones and organs. You
don't
> need to feed "extra" calcium, you don't need to add extra vitamins.
> Everything they need to develop comes from meat, bones and organs.
There's
> an old wives tail in Siberians that adding vit c & e for the first
year will
> prevent the development of juvenile cataracts. I've filed that
under "can't
> hurt, might help" and when I remember, I give it to them. I've not
had a
> case of JC, but that could just be genetics, not the supplements.
>
> You don't want a large/giant breed puppy to grow fast. By feeding
the puppy
> raw you'll be providing optimum nutrition for a natural rate of
growth and
> in time, the puppy will grow to its full, genetic potential.
>
> You'll find that fleas and even mosquitos aren't really a problem
in healthy
> dogs. The parasites tend to go for the "easy" targets, not the
healthy
> ones. My neighbors have all sorts of problems with fleas, and we
rarely see
> a one.
> --
> Laura A
> Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
> Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.
>
>
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>

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2.4. Re: New Puppy
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:09 am ((PDT))

> I want to make sure (as mentioned in previous posts) that I don't
> need to give him vitamins or supplements.

That's right. A good prey model diet will give the pup all the
nutrients that he needs at the right levels. Some of us give fish
oil as a supplement because grain fed meats have a lack of O3's as
opposed to grass fed meats.

> I've heard that you don't want bone development happening fast

Raw fed pups don't go through growth spurts like their ki**lefed
brothers would. No lanky akward pups, just steady growth. Because
they don't have big growth spurts raw fed large breed pups often are
smaller than other pups the same age. Raw fed pups will keep growing
long after the others have stopped, though. I thought my GSP stopped
growing at a year and a half, but I noticed a little while ago that
he is now taller than my mom's lab.

> What is the best way for switching a puppy to raw, and are there
> any concerns in that area?

Start right away. Puppies often don't take a lot of time to get
acclimated to the new diet. They also tend to tolerate variety
faster. The more things you can get your puppy to try at an early
age the less likely he'll be picky down the line, IMO. At first you
might notice some loose stools, just feed several small meals a day
and he shouldn't have many problems.

> I can't get him to eat bones... he eats AROUND the bone... any
> suggestions there?

My cats are rediculously picky, so I can relate. Cornish game hens
have really soft bones so that might help.

> And finally, where do you all feed your dogs?

Mine eat on their dog beds. Others use old towels, vinyl
tablecloths, crates. It's pretty easy to train a dog to keep their
food in one spot. If they try to take the food off their spot just
place it back and continue as necessary.

> my very LAST question (sorry this is so long) is does anyone have
> info. on vaccines?

Check out http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/jstsayno2vaccs/
It's a really helpful group. They can answer all of your questions
about vaccines and "preventatives"

Welcome to the group!

Andrea

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2.5. Re: New Puppy
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:19 am ((PDT))

"my very LAST question (sorry this is so long) is does anyone have info. on
vaccines?"
I went vax free 2 years ago. My two 18 month old gsds have never had a
vaccine, chemical, kibble, etc. of any kind. No HW preventative, no flea
preventative. IMO vax free is the healthiest way to go. Vaccines have
their own risks as well as going vax free does too. I start socializing my
pups at weeks, starting in the front yard for a few minutes a day; at 8
weeks we are walking around the neighborhood; at 12 weeks we are going to
Petsmart for a few minutes in the potty yard, at 16 weeks they are going
everywhere. It's called natural immunity - just like us getting the chicken
pox in kindergarten and then never getting them again. But everyone has to
do what is comfortable for them and their dogs; my first gsds were vaxed,
lived to 12 and died of cancer which is why I started researching raw
feeding and vaccines. My two adults have had puppy shots and one rabies but
will never be vaxed again. My male has no indications of vaccine damage,
but the 4 yr old female wants to attack thunder, flashlights, and is just
bitchy in general. My 3 yr old male is balanced, even tempered, both are
great working dogs as are the pups.

My prev female after her first rabies shot became instantly over the top dog
aggressive within 2 weeks (one of the symptoms) and we could never her break
her of it in 12 years. So we avoided other dogs. Some dogs show no
indications of vaccine damage - so to each their own. Just my two cents.
And damage happens over generations.

--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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3a. Re: Concerned about missing vitamins
Posted by: "thebestformyboys" llb6984@comcast.net thebestformyboys
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:37 am ((PDT))

Tracy,

I'm really in no position to give advice as I am new to "prey model"
feeding (5 Days), but I'm going to tell you about my Goldens. I was
feeding raw for 2 1/2 years adding all that crap to their raw meat.
Although my dogs are in very good health and have beautiful coats,
their breath was discusting! Bad enough to gag you. One dog's teeth are
covered with brown tartar. Within 2 days of cutting out veggies, wheat
germ, wheat bran, kelp, etc. and giving them raw meaty bones!, the bad
breath is completely gone. I'm not kidding, my husband and I are
amazed! This "stuff" had to be sitting in their stomachs and
fermenting. I will not ever run another veggie through the food
processer! When I put their boneless meals in a bowl, I sit and stare
at it. I feel like I'm forgetting something! It is so easy! Don't make
this harder on yourself. I have my life back! No more room clearing
farts either! No more burping! I'll never go back to the "old way".
Spend your money on MEATY BONES!

Laurie Barnett
Port St. Lucie, FL
Golden Retriever Brothers: Logan and Cooper

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Tracy,
>
> I can see why you are confused. Put the book down! :))
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...>
>
>
> Well, I have been reading Dr. Pitchairn's book Natual health for dogs
> and cats. I get mixed messages and I am getting confused.
>

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4a. Walmart Chicken Quaters was - Gathering Info.
Posted by: "krystal_brr" rkbarr@hughes.net krystal_brr
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:37 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> Since everyone who has shopped Walmart chicken reports of
enhancement,
> I fully expect the FW Walmart sells enhanced leg quarters as well.

Chris

I shop walmart and buy the bags of chicken leg quarters. I can't find
anything on the bag about being "enhanced", Do they have to tell us
that or are you saying that the chicken just is no matter what the bag
says?

Krystal

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4b. Re: Walmart Chicken Quaters was - Gathering Info.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

"krystal_brr" <rkbarr@...> wrote:
> I shop walmart and buy the bags of chicken leg quarters. I can't
find
> anything on the bag about being "enhanced", Do they have to tell us
> that or are you saying that the chicken just is no matter what the
bag
> says?
*****
Well.
Since my perspective on WM is to mistrust everything they do, say and
sell, it would be very easy for me to say the bags contain enhanced
chicken, and they probably are. However, Laura A commented that once
upon a time her WM sold unenhanced quarters, so perhaps there's still
hope.

Someone (if not the dysfunctional clerks) at WM has got to know.
This is where the advanced homework comes in. If it's important
enough for you to know, you may have to do the research. Find out
the buyer's name, ask that person. Go the the WM website and ask.
SOMEONE has to know.

As an aside, I am seeing chicken now with the "minimally processed"
label on it PLUS additional text elsewhere that identifies various
degrees of "enhancement". So clearly our bureaucratic friends who
make these decisions have determined that the enhancements can be
part of the minimal processing. Again, if such things matter, you
may have to do your own homework. Alas.
Chris

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4c. Re: Walmart Chicken Quaters was - Gathering Info.
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:35 am ((PDT))

> I shop walmart and buy the bags of chicken leg quarters. I can't find
> anything on the bag about being "enhanced", Do they have to tell us
> that or are you saying that the chicken just is no matter what the bag
> says?

Krystal,

Look for the words "solution" or "broth" - those are giveaways on enhanced
meats. I recently came across one that declared it was "with added
flavor!" - the "flavor" was a salt/preservative grossosity that is something
I need to avoid for my crew.

Anything that isn't "retained water" is generally an enhancement these
days...if in doubt, read the nutritional facts on the back. If the sodium
content seems like it's high, you're probably holding enhanced meat.

Casey

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5a. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "Geri" auntigeri@aol.com gericolloton
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:39 am ((PDT))

I did not fast my 2 rescues. They are doing very well.

Geri

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...> wrote:
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Can someone let me
> know which would be better, starting raw asap, or fasting 2-7 days.
>
> Thanks,
> Tracy
>

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5b. Re: I am so confused...Please help
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:46 am ((PDT))

They wouldn't....but Pitcairn is confused....he missed the class about dogs
not requiring carbohydrates! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Carol Dunster" <cedunster@centurytel.net>

I would think chicken broth would be more appropriate and healthy than
vegetable broth. Don't know when a "wild" dog would eat either veggies
or fruit. Since you want to switch to a healthy, natural diet, why not
start out that way?

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6a. dosage for small dogs?
Posted by: "Carol Garnaat" cgar88@ameritech.net sewnchine
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:40 am ((PDT))

Hello,
I've purchased, from a health store, a bottle of Salmon Oil 1000mg softgels.
The label lists EPA 160mg and DHA 240mg. Is this the correct amount of EPA
and DHA or should I look for other amounts?

I have 3 dogs. They weigh 8.5 lb, 12.5 lb, and 20 lb.

What is the correct dosage of Salmon oil for them?

Would the dosage be the same for Fish BODY oil also?

This list is so informative and supportive. Thank you for all your help!!
Carol in Michigan

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6b. Re: dosage for small dogs?
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:15 am ((PDT))

Hi there,

Typically the supplemental dosage of fish oil is 1 1000 mg capsule per
30 lbs of dog weight. I would probably give one to your 20 lb dog,
and split another between the smaller two. Alternatively, you can
give it to the smaller guys every other day.

Fish body oil is how people often describe fish/salmon oil. The word
"body" is added in there to differentiate it from Cod liver oil, which
is very different and I wouldn't give as a routine supplement.

Here is a link that may be helpful when choosing a supplement brand:
http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=fishoil

Hope that helps,
Olga

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6c. Re: dosage for small dogs?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:16 am ((PDT))

Carol Garnaat" <cgar88@...> wrote:
> I've purchased, from a health store, a bottle of Salmon Oil 1000mg
softgels.
> The label lists EPA 160mg and DHA 240mg. Is this the correct
amount of EPA
> and DHA or should I look for other
*****
If the label says this is the DOSE, then find out how many softgels
are in the DOSE (ideally one, often two).

If that amount is per SOFTGEL, it's lovely.

If that amount is per DOSE, then that amount becomes less ideal as
the number of softgels per dose increase.

1 softgel per dose - 400mg per softgel and quite nice
2 softgels per dose - 200mg per softgel, not optimal
3 softgels per dose - 100mg per softgel and below recommended levels

>
> I have 3 dogs. They weigh 8.5 lb, 12.5 lb, and 20 lb.
>
> What is the correct dosage of Salmon oil for them?
*****
Depends on the strength of each softgel.
At 400mg per softgel, one softgel every other day should be fine for
an otherwise healthy dog. At 200mg per softgel one a day is okay.

At 100mg per softgel, two a day would be useful. If the per softgel
amount is as low as 100mg, feed through the stuff and buy a different
brand next time. If you look for a total of 300mg per softgel,
minimum, you'll be good to go.

> Would the dosage be the same for Fish BODY oil also?
*****
Yes, salmon oil is just a specific kind of fish body oil.
Chris O

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7a. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:46 am ((PDT))

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:23:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

> he would eat the wrapper it came in if he could, and suddenly he doesnt wanna touch it either.

Is it just one batch of liver that they don't want to eat? Maybe there
is something "odd" about it?
~ Carol
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Carol Dunster
cedunster@centurytel.net

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7b. Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction
Posted by: "Nataly A" rap_squad@yahoo.com rap_squad
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:08 am ((PDT))

hey carol,

no. he just stoped eating it all together.

Nat.

----- Original Message ----
From: Carol Dunster <cedunster@centurytel.net>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2000 10:57:54 AM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Liver refusal and a bit of introduction

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:23:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

> he would eat the wrapper it came in if he could, and suddenly he doesnt wanna touch it either.

Is it just one batch of liver that they don't want to eat? Maybe there
is something "odd" about it?
~ Carol
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Carol Dunster
cedunster@centuryte l.net

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8a. Re: Venison?
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:47 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> I recommend you grab that vension (hopefully you'll get more than
> just ribs, what a disappointment that would be!) and introduce bits
> of flesh in the chicken meals you are now feeding. Gently and
> gradually increase the presence of vension so that by the time you
> think everyone's ready to move on, you will have built a fine bridge
> to the next step.
> Chris O
>

That sounds great! It's true, season will be over again here in a
couple of months. I don't know yet what I'll be getting, it's a new
source I found that has turkey and venison (both free range) so I just
asked for anything they don't sell to people. They'll call me and I
can come look what they have. =D I already got turkey legs in my
freezer. Woohoo!

Jennifer with Mandy from Germany

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8b. Re: Venison?
Posted by: "krystal_brr" rkbarr@hughes.net krystal_brr
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Tina Berry" <k9baron@...> wrote:
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>
> Hey Krystal - where in MT are you? >
>

Tina,

I live between Missoula and Seeley Lake. My husband is out trying to
get a Mule Deer as we type. He couldn't of been happier when I
announced we were going raw. He can now kill more stuff:-)

Do you have friends who give you extra? I am trying to figure out how
to get more than he is allowed to shoot.

Krystal
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8c. Re: Venison?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:39 am ((PDT))

"Do you have friends who give you extra? I am trying to figure out how to
get more than he is allowed to shoot."

I have 3 empty freezers right now; I have a butcher who gives me all his
scraps (about 100 lbs every 2 weeks during hunting season, sometimes more)
and last year I filled two freezers but ran out this summer. Friends and
family save me all their scraps and then 2 people at work are giving me
their last years meat when they get their first kill this year - so that
will be two freezer fulls instantly. I go thru 8lbs per day with 4 gsds; so
at the end of hunting season hopefully we will have all 3 freezers full and
possible a 4th.
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Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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9. HELP...worried my shiz tzu issnt eating enough
Posted by: "Jenny S" jenken69@shaw.ca jenken69
Date: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:40 am ((PDT))

Hi Tila just gave birth last week im so worried she issnt eating enough, she seems skinny to me as i can feel her spine and ribs more than ever befor she is about 10 lbs normally...I think she has enough milk the as the pups are growing and not crying at all as if hungry but she dossent seem to have full teets ever ..she is prob eating 2 x what she was befor the pregancy ...she is fully raw meaty bone fed moastly chicken ..she dossent like pork and often wont eat beef she gets lots of organ some tuna..are there suplements i can give her or something ?
Jenny S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34YjdBCu8I( Fun in the pool) way to funny..

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