[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12160

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: how long to hold out with not eating
From: Jolene Nelson

2a. Re: Raw Food
From: Loraine Jesse
2b. Re: Raw Food
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: Raw Food
From: jennifer_hell
2d. Re: Raw Food
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Whole Pork Shoulder
From: costrowski75

4.1. constipated dog
From: Vom Eishenblick Rottweilers
4.2. Re: constipated dog
From: angela182548

5a. Not constipated, just no poop
From: trayc2244
5b. Re: Not constipated, just no poop
From: Casey Post
5c. Re: Not constipated, just no poop
From: trayc2244

6a. Re: What do I feed my dane pup that's recovering from Parvo?
From: pelirojita

7.1. New to group
From: cwnsc
7.2. Re: New to group
From: Sandee Lee
7.3. Re: New to group
From: katkellm
7.4. Raw Feeding
From: cwnsc

8a. Poo
From: abeautiful3
8b. Re: Poo
From: jennifer_hell
8c. Re: Poo
From: carnesbill

9a. Re: switching kitten to raw
From: Renate

10a. Re: Finding rabbit
From: Renate

11a. Re: Gathering Info.
From: Renate

12a. Is this true?
From: trayc2244
12b. Re: Is this true?
From: susrob061174

13. Re: Lamb for raw feeders?
From: Renate

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1a. Re: how long to hold out with not eating
Posted by: "Jolene Nelson" imperial_bloodlines@yahoo.com imperial_bloodlines
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:34 am ((PDT))

>>>Is 4-5 days
usually the longest amount of time. Thanks, Joy>>>>

Trust me your dog will not starve himself to death. Try shredding a chicken breast to open it up a little bit to get his interest. Or you can take a skin on chicken breast and sear it very lightly so it gives off an odor to get his interest.

Try him with different meats, pork or beef ground up with some egg and a little cheese in it or something smelly like sardines mixed in.

Good luck and again, he WILL NOT STARVE!

Jolene

Jolene Nelson
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2a. Re: Raw Food
Posted by: "Loraine Jesse" rothburg@hotmail.com loraine_jesse
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:34 am ((PDT))

Hi Jennifer,
Great post. May I share as a newbie myself on this group and being on other groups, I do understand the rules that are set to keep us on track about raw feeding. I believe raw chat has been set up so if the subject goes off topic, it can be continued there. There are some groups where the subjects have gone so far off of topic that you really wonder if you are in the right group. I have to admit there are times on this group that I am concerned going off topic, so yeah I get a tad uptight. But all in all, I am so grateful to now have a full, proper understanding of this diet. My concerns and worries have been addressed.
Loraine Jessewww.rothburgrottweilers.com

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2b. Re: Raw Food
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

"Jennifer" <kali_moonwolf@...> wrote:
> So they get it, so they don't. Not a big deal. If you are imitating
> nature and you hunt and have access to a full carcass, then great,
> let the dog go at it and see what he eats! If not, Im sure he'll be
> fine with the easily procurred meat and bones from the store.
*****
I'd have to ditch Billinghurst and add organs, but other than that, I
agree.

Americans probably moreso than any other culture love to make simple
things complicated. It's as if a procedure's value is judged not by
its success but rather its complexity.
Chris O

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2c. Re: Raw Food
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

>
> Americans probably moreso than any other culture love to make simple
> things complicated. It's as if a procedure's value is judged not by
> its success but rather its complexity.
> Chris O
>

Aw, no, Chris- Germans beat them effortlessly. Everybody here feeds
veggies, algae, oils, some kind of herbs and so on and so on. It's
driving me bonkers.
Sorry for the OT!!

Jennifer with Mandy from Germany (we're not on German forums/ groups
because they all pretty much feed barf, meh!)

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2d. Re: Raw Food
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:06 am ((PDT))

"jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...> wrote:
>> Aw, no, Chris- Germans beat them effortlessly.
*****
Well then. It's reassuring to know where we got it from.
Chris O

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3a. Re: Whole Pork Shoulder
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:54 am ((PDT))

"thebestformyboys" <llb6984@...> wrote:
Cooper is
> huge....a big gentle giant. He looks good at 76-78lbs. Nice waist,
> very muscular. He will not swim, but loves to run. Right now he
could
> stand to lose maybe 3lbs. My husband disagrees and thinks he's
> perfect. Logan has a bad hip from an injury and will not run too
much
> at all,he is incredibly lazy too, but he does love to swim.
*****
I urge you to get those pounds off Cooper and consider having Logan's
thyroid checked--just to make sure the battle you're fighting isn't
more than "just" excess calories. Goldens are famous for having
thyroid issues.

I also recommend you work on your husband's appreciation of chubby
goldens. Excess weight taxes the heart and other organs, and the
joints. You're right, they should be trim. You should be able to
feel their ribs down there underneath all that coat. A comfortably
trim golden with a blown coat may show a lot of bone but the bones
will not have much padding.

Fortunately, muscle weighs more than fat, so a fully muscled and fit
rawfed golden may look leaner than a kibblefed golden but weigh the
same or more. So don't just go by the scale, use your hands and your
eyes to see what's happening.

> I'm feeding approx. 1lb at night and 8oz. in the morning for Cooper
> and 5 for Logan. Think this is too much?
*****
I was feeding my field golden (yes, another animal altogether) a
pound and a half a day to keep him tidily at 70lb. It seems like a
reasonable enough amount to be feeding Cooper but how it looks on him
is more important than how it looks on the scale. Adjust if you have
to in order to keep him trim.

Do you think I can try some pork now? They've only had
> chick, beef and turkey, since going prey model. Should I wait
longer
> to add more things? 7 days today.
*****
I think you're going to feed yourself into loose stools but since
loose stools invariably indicate little more than too much (too much
food, too much fat, too much new), you can always back off if things
get messy. If loose stools don't worry you, go for it. It's
entirely possible they will take the new meat in stride.

At seven days I would probably be relying still on chicken but I
definitely would be adding small amounts of other meats to the meals.
Chris O

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4.1. constipated dog
Posted by: "Vom Eishenblick Rottweilers" vomeishenblick@hotmail.com vomeishenblick
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:20 am ((PDT))

one of my girls is constipated not sure what to do . she has been
trying hard to poop. forcing alot ect... a bit came out today but not
much after I gave her a enima. there was a tinge of blood and very
hard poop (she did yelp a bit) when it came out. I had given her rib
bones for chewing. (will never do that again)! anyting else I can do ??
please help !

thanks,
Brenda Dumesnil

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4.2. Re: constipated dog
Posted by: "angela182548" angela182548@yahoo.com angela182548
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:55 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Vom Eishenblick Rottweilers"
<vomeishenblick@...> wrote:
>
> one of my girls is constipated not sure what to do . she has been
> trying hard to poop. forcing alot ect...

I was just wondering if your little girl is doing better?
Angela

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5a. Not constipated, just no poop
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

I am really worried. I now have my rescue dog and switched her to raw
Friday. I have fed her chicken twice a day since Friday. So she has
now had around 5-6 meals. She doesn't seem to be in distress, but she
hasn't pooped AT ALL since I have had her. She is acting fine, and her
abdomen isn't hard. But I'm sure it isn't healthy for that meat to be
sitting in her stomach. Please please tell me what I can do to get
things moving along.

Thanks so much
Tracy

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5b. Re: Not constipated, just no poop
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:24 pm ((PDT))

>She doesn't seem to be in distress, but she
> hasn't pooped AT ALL since I have had her.

Tracy,

This isn't terribly uncommon for new to raw dogs (and cats). Their bodies
are starved for proper nutrition and are assimilating just about everything
you're putting into them, raw-wise.

The meat isn't "sitting in her stomach" - it's been digested and utilized.
I expect you'll see a poop soon, but in the meantime I wouldn't be overly
concerned - sounds like she's feeling just fine.

If you're still worried, a few boneless meals will soften things up and
maybe produce what you're looking for.

Casey

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5c. Re: Not constipated, just no poop
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:56 pm ((PDT))

Casey,
Thank you so much. I was so worried about this. I thought that since
she was fed science diet Friday morning before she came to me that she
would at least need to get that out. But thanks for easing my mind.

Tracy

> This isn't terribly uncommon for new to raw dogs (and cats). Their
bodies
> are starved for proper nutrition and are assimilating just about
everything
> you're putting into them, raw-wise.
>
> The meat isn't "sitting in her stomach" - it's been digested and
utilized.

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6a. Re: What do I feed my dane pup that's recovering from Parvo?
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:33 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dogsofnature" <dogsofnature@...>
wrote:
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> Hello,
>
> My five month old dane puppy was diagnosed with Parvo yesterday.

Is it safe to give her
> raw food? Does parvo wipe out the beneficial bacteria in the stomach
> that aids in the digestion of raw food? I'm not going to feed her
> until breakfast time, I just want to make sure I give her the right
> boost for her immune system. Should I feed her chicken broth and then
> ease into the raw diet? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Kesha & Princess Nala
>
Hi Kesha,

I posted a long response to your email in RawChat. But in case you
miss it or others need the info, check out http://www.ambertech.com/
and download the Parvo self help guide. This is a wonderful company,
with excellent remedies and I would encourage you to call them with
any and all questions.

Good luck to you and your puppy,
Kerry

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7.1. New to group
Posted by: "cwnsc" cwells5@charter.net cwnsc
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

My Golden suffers from skin problems. He was put on prednisone and is
not himself. I am beginning raw feeding today. I have found all
local grocers in my area do not carry organs - they rely on shipped in
packaged products - no meaty bones - no butchers. I was able to find
oxe tails and turkey necks.
Cindy

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7.2. Re: New to group
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:42 pm ((PDT))

Cindy,

You'd be better off with whole chickens or turkeys. Generally the oxtails
found in the grocery store have been cut into small pieces and turkey necks
are not really the best beginning meal. Not only are they far too bony but
not knowing how your dog is going to eat, they could be a choking hazard.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "cwnsc" <cwells5@charter.net>

My Golden suffers from skin problems. He was put on prednisone and is
not himself. I am beginning raw feeding today. I have found all
local grocers in my area do not carry organs - they rely on shipped in
packaged products - no meaty bones - no butchers. I was able to find
oxe tails and turkey necks.

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7.3. Re: New to group
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:55 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cwnsc" <cwells5@...> wrote:
I am beginning raw feeding today. I have found all
> local grocers in my area do not carry organs - they rely on shipped in
> packaged products - no meaty bones - no butchers.

Hi Cindy,
I think that you are confused about what you are looking for. I would
guess that most people just buy from a grocery store. You are looking
for stuff like chicken, turkey, pork roasts,...regular old "lets have
chicken for dinner tonight" meat-not butcher bones or trim. I would
freeze the ox tails and turkey necks for making soup for you and go
back to the store and buy a chicken. As far as the organs go, you
won't want to feed any for at least a week, some people advice longer,
so you have time to find stuff. Most grocery stores sell frozen liver
already sliced into 4 pieces. You are not looking for "doggy" bones.
If i am confused about what you were looking for, sorry. KathyM

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7.4. Raw Feeding
Posted by: "cwnsc" cwells5@charter.net cwnsc
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:45 pm ((PDT))

Thank you for the advie.
Cindy W.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cwnsc" <cwells5@> wrote:
> I am beginning raw feeding today. I have found all
> > local grocers in my area do not carry organs - they rely on
shipped in
> > packaged products - no meaty bones - no butchers.
>
> Hi Cindy,
> I think that you are confused about what you are looking for. I
would
> guess that most people just buy from a grocery store. You are
looking
> for stuff like chicken, turkey, pork roasts,...regular old "lets
have
> chicken for dinner tonight" meat-not butcher bones or trim. I
would
> freeze the ox tails and turkey necks for making soup for you and go
> back to the store and buy a chicken. As far as the organs go, you
> won't want to feed any for at least a week, some people advice
longer,
> so you have time to find stuff. Most grocery stores sell frozen
liver
> already sliced into 4 pieces. You are not looking for "doggy"
bones.
> If i am confused about what you were looking for, sorry. KathyM
>

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8a. Poo
Posted by: "abeautiful3" abeautiful3@yahoo.com abeautiful3
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:03 pm ((PDT))

Hi all I have to say that when I started looking into feeding RAW I
talked to Adam from performance fuels and he was telling me the
benefits from feeding RAW; and one of the selling points for me since
I have six AM Bulldogs was the lack of the amount of poo and the
smell. I feel the same way you really have to experience it for
yourself to appreciate the difference.

Arlene

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8b. Re: Poo
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:39 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "abeautiful3" <abeautiful3@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all I have to say that when I started looking into feeding RAW I
> talked to Adam from performance fuels and he was telling me the
> benefits from feeding RAW; and one of the selling points for me since
> I have six AM Bulldogs was the lack of the amount of poo and the
> smell. I feel the same way you really have to experience it for
> yourself to appreciate the difference.
>
> Arlene
>
Cofusingly enough my dog has more output on raw than she had on super
premium k*bble.

Jennifer with Mandy from Germany

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8c. Re: Poo
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:56 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...>
wrote:
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> Cofusingly enough my dog has more output on raw than she had on super
> premium k*bble.

What exactly are you feeding???

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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9a. Re: switching kitten to raw
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:56 pm ((PDT))

There is a rabbit processing plant in Arthur. If you call them you will
probably be able to find a source. I best guess would be Kensington
Market.
REnate
(used to breed rabbits, but haven't lived in TO since 1989)

On 10/12/07, Gail Edmond <windybond1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I am not a vegeterian but eh what is the difference surely a rabbit is a
> rabbit.
>
> Gail
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kristen <kristengilkinsonrmt@rogers.com<kristengilkinsonrmt%40rogers.com>
> >
> To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 11 October, 2007 11:34:54 AM
> Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: switching kitten to raw
>
> Thanks Lynda
>
> I think I'll start with chicken and duck hearts with some neck after
> reading your advice. I was wondering where you get frog legs?
>
> I'm trying to find a rabbit breeder in the Toronto area (meat - not pet
> rabbits) but I'm having trouble and I just can't spend $18 on a little
> thing at the grocer ;-)
>
> All the best,
> Kristen
>
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10a. Re: Finding rabbit
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:56 pm ((PDT))

Sorry, didn't give you the info re processing plant: Abate Rabbit Packers,
Arthur, Ont.,
519-848-2107

And this is the link for the ontario commercial rabbit breeders assoc -
these people all raise meat rabbits - in fact if anyone says they raise new
zealand whites, they are raising meat rabbits. Call any one of these and
I'm sure they will help you.

http://www.ocrga.ca/ssdirectory.shtml

REnate

On 10/12/07, becca1066 <becca1066@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I know there are several sources who ship, but your best bet is either
> a query on the yahoo group "meatrabbits", or check the ARBA site for
> breeders. Sometimes people raising little cute bunnies are horrified
> at the idea of anyone eating them-but most people appreciate a chance
> to get rid of culls (NOT bad rabbits, just not show quality or brood
> quality)
> I know a champion breeder who sells culls to raw feeders-just ask how
> they're raised
>
> and nutritionally, rabbit is one of the most nutritious meats you can
> get-we got started feeding a little girl with a bad heart
>
> becca
>
>
>

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11a. Re: Gathering Info.
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:56 pm ((PDT))

I think that is a co-op, a co-operative, a group that buys together to get
better prices due to volume discounts.
Renate

On 10/12/07, Lynette <lraefried@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>
>
> I just wanted to thank all of you who have given me information. I will
> start paying more attention to store adds, and check out craigs list and
> the other(which I cant recall at the moment). Also, one of you
> mentioned a Coop. I am not sure what a Coop is? And how do I look for
> one? Is it as simple as searching the internet?
>
> Lynette
>
>
>

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12a. Is this true?
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:42 pm ((PDT))

I found a guy that processes deer meat, so I asked him if I could get
the left overs and the organs. He told me that it was agaisnt the law
to give the organs out. He said they had to be sent to the CDC. Have
you guys heard of this?

Tracy

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12b. Re: Is this true?
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:45 pm ((PDT))

> He told me that it was agaisnt the law
> to give the organs out. He said they had to be sent to the CDC. Have
> you guys heard of this?

Never heard of this. It not agaisnt the law here in GA as far as I
know. I get alot of my organs from deer processing centers. I guess it
depends on who you ask too and telling them what its for. Some of them
dont what to fool with having to do something extra. I keep my own
cooler with him, so when he cleans the deer, it right there instead of
having to put them in the freeze for you. I'm guessing it all depends
on where you are from too wheathers it against the law or not. Another
way to get deer meat is ask the Sheriff office to call you when they
have road kill. Dont be surpised if they call you at 2 am. Im lucky to
have a road kill ever so often since I live in the country and a deer
crossing is at my land site.

Susanne

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13. Re: Lamb for raw feeders?
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:45 pm ((PDT))

Jenna, where do you live? I had a sheep farm for 17 years up until 2 years
ago, so email me off-list and I will try to help you out. I am in Ontario,
Canada.
Renate

On 10/13/07, Jenna Baxter <jennabaxter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone. I am new to raising sheep, about a year experience now,
> and I was wondering what kind of market there is for selling lamb to
> raw feeders. How much could I expect to make? How large should the
> lambs need to be? Would I be responsible for slaughtering them or
> would someone come and pick up a live lamb? I have a million questions
> so if anyone wants to help me out I'd appreciate it. I don't know the
> first thing about marketing lambs. I had all ewe lambs last Feb. and I
> kept them all for breeding and I just had triplet ram lambs last
> night, so I am wondering about which market to try to advertise to.
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jenna Baxter
>
>
>

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Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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