[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12167

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: New: need advice
From: katkellm

2a. newb questions
From: Mary Tinder
2b. Re: newb questions
From: carnesbill
2c. Re: newb questions
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Very odd poo
From: miensasis

4a. Re: I just joined
From: carnesbill
4b. Re: I just joined
From: katkellm

5a. Re: I've Taken the Plunge
From: miensasis

6a. my old shepherd mix is super sluggish
From: spricketysprock
6b. Re: my old shepherd mix is super sluggish
From: Casey Post
6c. Re: my old shepherd mix is super sluggish
From: carnesbill

7. slightly OT: Whole animals for cats or small dogs
From: Shannon Hully

8a. Re: feeding raw and aggression
From: Tina Berry

9a. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: Marilyn Neil
9b. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: Maggie Smith
9c. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: Yasuko herron
9d. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: costrowski75

10a. New at Raw Feeding
From: kzyocy
10b. Re: New at Raw Feeding
From: Marilyn Neil
10c. Re: New at Raw Feeding
From: Tina Berry

11.1. Fish was Re: Shopping for raw and the benefits to owners
From: girlndocs

12a. Re: Lamb flaps/and puppy
From: beaulah_2001us

13a. Re: older GSD losing fur
From: cynthia iparraguirre
13b. Re: older GSD losing fur
From: pretty24355

14a. Re: no poop since Saturday
From: Laurie Swanson

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1a. Re: New: need advice
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:24 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sltahoek9s" <crazy4k9@...> wrote:
WIth frusteration I started switching
> his diet, first eliminating beef, then chicken to no avail. Finally
I took him completely off
> poultry.

Hi Tammy,
There is no requirement that a dog eat chicken to have balanced
nutrition on a raw diet. Meats such as pork, beef, deer, goat, and
lamb are all probably more desirable choices. Chicken is often
recommended as a first protein because it is easy on the budget, easy
eating bones, and easy to find. If a person decided not to start with
chicken, i would have to opt for turkey or pork as my next pick.
Obviously the decision is yours, but i think that maybe you have come
to an erroneous conclusion about chicken being the cause of the
allergies and vomiting. The Bravo blend is a blend of bone and meat
and veggies. All frozen raw patties are extremely high in bone content
because it is an economical way for the company to make more money.
So, the vomiting and such could have come from an excessive portion of
bone. Also, there are green beans, and acorn squash ...in the blend.
These things are also known to cause allergies in dogs. So, i think
that you can't really say that you have done a true elimination diet
and proven that chicken is the culprit. As far as the Timberwolf
goes, there are so many species inappropriate items in there, anything
could still be causing the problems. Most dogs that were considered
allergic to something before they started feeding a prey model raw
diet do not show the same reaction when eating a truly natural diet.
Nice to have you here, KathyM

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2a. newb questions
Posted by: "Mary Tinder" mtinder@tinderco.com mmmaryt
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:53 am ((PDT))

Should all raw food be frozen prior to feeding to kill parasites and
what have you? I'm thinking that does not happen often in the wild...
Mary Tinder

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2b. Re: newb questions
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:24 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Tinder" <mtinder@...> wrote:
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> Should all raw food be frozen prior to feeding to kill parasites and
> what have you? I'm thinking that does not happen often in the
wild...

You are 100% correct. The only reason I freeze is to keep the food
from stinking up my house. :) :) :) I often feed things the same day
I buy them.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2c. Re: newb questions
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:11 pm ((PDT))

"Mary Tinder" <mtinder@...> wrote:
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> Should all raw food be frozen prior to feeding to kill parasites and
> what have you?
*****
No.
Not even for the what have you's.

I'm thinking that does not happen often in the wild...
*****
And you're thinking right.

Chris O

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3a. Re: Very odd poo
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:53 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "maurwyck" <Maurwyck@...> wrote:
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> ***MODERATOR'S NOTE: SIGN YOUR MESSAGES!***
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> My pup has been on raw for about a week now and he has had a very wide
> array of feces. I'm worried now though because it's very mucusy (if
> that's a word).

Hi Maureen...

I'm still new to raw myself. My 2 wheatens were switched about 4 weeks
ago and with Molly, my more sensitive dog, I saw exactly the types of
changes in her poo that you describe. When I compared her poo to
Riley's it was much runnier, and when it was firm it was coated in a
jelly-like mucous. After 4 weeks her poo is now normal...no more
mucous, no more runnyness. I'm no expert, but my theory is that during
the first few weeks her digestive system had to recalibrate itself and
it cleared out some things it didn't need anymore or that had
accumulated while on the dry food. Clearly, Molly had a harder time
than Riley digesting the kibble. She also had so many other
issues..ranging from physical to behavioral...on the kibble that have
gotten miraculously better so I believe that they were kibble-related.

Hope this helps.

Nancy

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4a. Re: I just joined
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:10 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "barbarakaslow"
<barbarakaslow@...> wrote:
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> I just read something online about how they are unnecesary.

Missing Link, Wellness supplement, flax seed, Cod Liver oil, yogurt,
veggies and fruit are ALL UNNECESSARY and UNDESIRED. The only
desired and necessary components of a raw diet are meat, bones, and
organs from a variety of animals. Period. Nothing else. My dogs
have eaten nothing else in 5 years. I feed nothing but animal parts
and would never feed premix frozen paddies which are nothing but raw
kibble.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4b. Re: I just joined
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:24 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "barbarakaslow" <barbarakaslow@...>
wrote:
> I just joined, and I have two Bchon Firses 15, & 8 yr males
> who eat the raw diet as well as yogurt, veggies and fruit.
> I was wondering about the Missing Link, Wellness supplement
> and the flax seed and Cod Liver oils.

Hi Barbara,
I think that you are going to find that no one here feeds any
supplements, with the exception of salmon oil which is a supplement
necessitated by man's ability to inappropriately feed stock corn
rather than grass, and i think you'll read that no one feeds veggies,
fruit, or dairy products either. The short of it is that dogs are
carnivores who are direct descendants of the wolf, read Giselle's
totally documenting and in depth post at
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/144402.

As
carnivores, our dogs have no nutritional need for fruits, veggies, or
dairy products. These ingredients can actually cause allergies and
such in our dogs. Aside from being unnecessary to a dog's diet, they
occupy space in the meal that would better be filled with meat. If
you feed a species appropriate diet, you won't be missing anything and
won't need to add anything. I know, right about now you're probably
thinking that what i'm saying is way off base, but if you'll take a
moment to read the archives and the other answers to your post- all
the while keeping an open mind-it just might make sense to you to
rethink some of your menu choices. Glad to have you here, KathyM

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5a. Re: I've Taken the Plunge
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:10 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "totaly_his" <totaly_his@...>
wrote:
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> 2) I am not trying to be so "perfect" with the amount that I am to
feed my dog but I need to know approximately how much I should feed.
My dog weighs 32# but is alittle overweight. I know that the general
rule of thumb is 2-3% of their ideal weight. Would giving her 2-3
chicken thighs a day be enough/too much for her? Could you please
give me some more sample meals for her weight?

Jackie...

I started feeding raw to my two 30 lb wheatens about 4 weeks ago.
They seem to be just the right weight...if not a little on the
thinner side. I'm still in the chicken and organs stage, but here's
an idea of the types of meals I feed them. Also, my meal sizes vary
but are usually in the 8-12 oz range. I will buy a 2 pack of nice
meaty split chicken breast. The ones I buy come 2 to a pack and
depending on the total weight of the pack I give them each a whole
breast or if they are very, very large I cut the breast with bone in
half. I usually add little bits of chicken liver, heart, and other
giblets. I have fed thighs....but usually I give them one thigh with
bone, 1 thigh that's boneless, and add some organ meat as well.
Sometimes I buy a whole chicken (I look for a 4 lb one) and I quarter
it and divide the giblets up. Each quarter is a meal. Sometimes I
give a whole leg quarter and add a little extra meat (like boneless
thigh meat) and a bit of organ. I'm surprised at how easy this
really is. At first I was so concerned about weighing and trying to
get exactly the 80-10-10 ratio. Now I don't stress about it. Some
days I skip the organs, once or twice I gave just meat but didn't
have a bone to add. It was all fine. Once or twice I gave the RMB,
but didn't have the extra boneless meat to add. That was fine too.
But the portion sizes I described seem to be just about right for my
wheatens...and would probably be a good size give or take a little
for your dog. Also...about the thighs...I've read on this list that
just a thigh could be too small a piece for a dog and could present a
choking hazard--especially if the dog tries to swallow whole. While
I do feed thighs occasionally, I always supervise and have dogs that
are very, very thorough chewers. If your dog is a gulper, you might
want to stick with bigger pieces like the whole leg quarter.

Hope that helps!

Nancy

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6a. my old shepherd mix is super sluggish
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:33 am ((PDT))

Hello again,
So I have a 10 (soon to be 11) yr old shepherd/chow/misc, about 65
lbs. He's never been an energetic dog, but lately his sluggishness
seems a bit absurd. He handles walks alright but indoors does nothing
but sleep. He's been on raw for 8 or so months and I give him plenty
of variety. He's doing quite well on it and is a perfect candidate.
But something is lacking because his energy is just so low, even
compared to other older dogs. Also his fur is pretty gross, although
it's always been gross, maybe it's just his breed. It feels oily when
you pet him, it looks dry, and he sheds a LOT. But no hot spots or
anything like that.

Does anyone know what could be the problem? Could this be a thyroid
issue? I might bring him to the vet, are there any tests in particular
I should ask for? Thanks!

Jess n Toby

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6b. Re: my old shepherd mix is super sluggish
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:43 am ((PDT))

> Does anyone know what could be the problem? Could this be a thyroid
> issue?

DEFINITELY.

>I might bring him to the vet, are there any tests in particular
> I should ask for?

Full six panel thyroid. And he's of an age where if you can afford a full
blood panel, it would be a good idea. But the sooner you get his thyroid
checked out, the better. This is not something you want to delay on - my
dog went undiagnosed too long and suffered for it.

Casey

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6c. Re: my old shepherd mix is super sluggish
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "spricketysprock" <jess.hamway@...>
wrote:
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> Does anyone know what could be the problem?

You can run blood tests and thyroid tests and you may learn something
from them. IMO is main problem is 11 years old. You don't feel like
a teenager when you get that old. Joints get stiff, muscles get sore
and you just don't feel like moving nearly as much.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7. slightly OT: Whole animals for cats or small dogs
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:33 am ((PDT))

Is there anyone around Saginaw, MI? I have to move in a week to Canada
and I have way more small furred/feathered bodies to feed my cats than
I can use in that amount of time. I can't bring them across the border
either (the food, not the cats! hehe) so I was hoping someone might
want them.

I know it can be daunting to look at buying a whole shipping box full
when you're first trying them out on whole prey (not to mention
shipping costs!) so if anyone would like to buy a bag or four of them
they're welcome. I have a bag each of quail chicks, rats, chicks, and
guinea pigs, all small enough to be a single meal for my 10-13lbs cats
(well, they get two chicks each at a meal, but one of anything else).

E-mail me privately if you're interested as I'm so busy I'm not
checking my group e-mails right now.

Shannon H.

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8a. Re: feeding raw and aggression
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

"I have one male and one female who have become aggressive to others of
their own sex. I like feeding raw, but don't want any of my dogs to be
seriously hurt or killed either."

This has nothing to do with feeding raw. How old are your dogs and what
type of training have they had and socializing?
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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9a. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "Marilyn Neil" ems1classic@btinternet.com marilyn9751
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

We dont rely upon them, we just like to give the dogs a huge variety. Maybe we will just stop ordering them.

Marilyn

www.lestorm.co.uk

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
Marilyn Neil <ems1classic@...> wrote:
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> I found one of my Golden bitches chocking on a turkey neck. I
managed to grab an end and pull the whole thing out. She hadnt chewed
it and thought it would go down in one go. I now cut the turkey necks
in half. Better safe than sorry!
*****
Cutting a turkey neck in half does not remedy the situation. In fact,
there's no advantage to your golden who will still be inclined to
swallow a body part that looks gosh awfully like something just perfect
for swallowing; and you have less to grab onto when she repeats her
choking performance.

If you must rely on turkey necks, please consider the biggest darn
things you can find (tom necks are as good as turkey necks get).
Chris O

Ems xxx

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9b. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "Maggie Smith" redkeds@comcast.net redkeds1
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

I have 2 Danes and one LOVES his turkey necks! These are toms, and
they are huge and I do NOT cut them.

We started with turkey necks and turkey tails and chicken quarters
and have progressed to include beef, emu, lamb, fish, turkey, etc.
These are happy boys and I am contemplating adopting a third who is
11 months old and around 160! As soon as I decide (maybe sooner!!),
he is on RAW!! We aren't allowed to feed raw to fosters - :(

Maggie, Rufus and Oliver and ???

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Marilyn Neil <ems1classic@...>
wrote:
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> We dont rely upon them, we just like to give the dogs a huge
variety. Maybe we will just stop ordering them.
>
> Marilyn
>

www.lestorm.co.uk

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> costrowski75 <Chriso75@...> wrote:
> Marilyn Neil <ems1classic@> wrote:
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> > I found one of my Golden bitches chocking on a turkey neck. I
> managed to grab an end and pull the whole thing out. She hadnt

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9c. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:49 am ((PDT))

>We started with turkey necks and turkey tails and chicken quarters
>and have progressed to include beef, emu, lamb, fish, turkey, etc.

Hi. Palette loves Turkey Neck. She goes nuts. Since I like to add more meat to neck,I cut into half and 1 neck is for 2 meal worth.

She has no problems,and chew quite good so,I do not worry about gulping and choking.

couple days ago,I was browsing on the net..I did not mark the web so,I cannot find it again but there was interesting thing about Turkey.

Turkey seem to have some effect to dog that makes calm/sleepy dogs. It would not cause dog to go sleep with regularamount but if fed whole Turkey one meal(14lb or so).

someone was questioning about dog gets so frisky/noisy when guest comes over the house and suggestion that was made was to feed Turkey,big whole Turkey and dog goes sleep.

I am not sure if it really happens if fed that much at one sitting but it was interesting.

And,I like to ask,where did you get Emu? The other day,I found exotic site that tellsflavor difference along with retailer page andI posted it ,but they do not have Emu. Your dog likes it? waht part of Emu is most recommended to feed?I don't think you can buy whole Emu,I think.

I am curious.

yassy

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9d. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:19 pm ((PDT))

Marilyn Neil <ems1classic@...> wrote:
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> We dont rely upon them, we just like to give the dogs a huge
variety. Maybe we will just stop ordering them.
*****
IMO not ordering more would be a good choice. However, if you like
feeding them and you feed safe feeding them, feed them. If though you
are feeding turkey necks for variety, other turkey parts will do just
fine and will probably be less tempting to swallow whole.

Chris O

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10a. New at Raw Feeding
Posted by: "kzyocy" kzy01@earthlink.net kzyocy
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

Hi, I am a newbie at Raw Feeding and would like to know what to feed
my new puppy,Brussels Griffon--small type, that I will be bringing
home this next week. She will be 8 weeks old and from what I know,
she has been just about weaned off the mother's milk. I believe the
breeder has been feeding her some kind of "special mush". I want to
start her right off with the raw. So, I need someone to direct me as
to how much, how often, and what I should start her with. Thanks so
much in advance.
Kristina

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10b. Re: New at Raw Feeding
Posted by: "Marilyn Neil" ems1classic@btinternet.com marilyn9751
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

Hi Kristina

We start our pups on raw from 5 weeks old. We start by giving them ground beef and minced chicken, chicken carcasses with skin and back bone removed, Oats soaked overnight in goats milk, yogurt, honey, veg.

Start by offering minced chicken for say the first two days. Pop an egg with shell into the processor with the chicken three times a week, Then on the third day start introducing beef and a chicken carcass. As the days pass slowly start adding tiny bits of lamb liver/heart/ kidneys and tripe (our pups love the tripe) to the ground beef/chicken. Grate one veg/fruit and also to add to meat three times a week. Small bits of fish will go down very well.

Little and often. Try not to worry too much about the pup not eating everything in a week, as long as they get a varied diet they will be fine.

Marilyn

www.lestorm.co.uk

kzyocy <kzy01@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi, I am a newbie at Raw Feeding and would like to know what to feed
my new puppy,Brussels Griffon--small type, that I will be bringing
home this next week. She will be 8 weeks old and from what I know,
she has been just about weaned off the mother's milk. I believe the
breeder has been feeding her some kind of "special mush". I want to
start her right off with the raw. So, I need someone to direct me as
to how much, how often, and what I should start her with. Thanks so
much in advance.
Kristina

Ems xxx

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10c. Re: New at Raw Feeding
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

"She will be 8 weeks old and from what I know, she has been just about
weaned off the mother's milk."

Congrats and welcome! I have a large breed, but you can start puppies out
on ground meat, chicken wings (too boney for a full meal tho) you try to
keep it at 10% bone, 10% organs (later) and 80 meat. I feed venison since
it's hunting season, lots of people start out on chicken, but whatever you
have easy access to will work. Lots of people start out on bone in chicken
breasts since they are so meaty. I have bought whole chickens on sale and
quartered them. You can let the pup eat until they are full or stop eating,
pick up whats left if they didn't finish and put in the frig for next meal.
I fed my new pups 3 times a day until 6 months, then twice a day until a
year then now once a day - that is personal preference for what fits your
schedule.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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11.1. Fish was Re: Shopping for raw and the benefits to owners
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

Hi Christine,

> Where do people find affordable fish? All the fish I've seen are
> over $5/lb....

At the Asian supermarket near me I get whole (really whole, not drawn)
mackerel for between 1.29 and 1.99/lb. Salmon heads are 99 cents/lb
and other fish in the fresh cases range between 1.49 and 2.99/lb.
Little bitty fish frozen in packs are around $3/lb, I think.

Smelt comes into season once a year -- here in WA it's mid to late
winter, other places in spring. Smelt is cheap in season, under $2/lb.

Bait fish are under $3/lb (usually quite a bit under) -- I think they
are mostly frozen smelt? Maybe herring or perch too.

Kristin

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12a. Re: Lamb flaps/and puppy
Posted by: "beaulah_2001us" beaulah_2001us@yahoo.com beaulah_2001us
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

Thank you Carrie for explaining that to me. There is so much I dont
know about feeding raw and and including what different parts of the
meat are called.

We got a darling little pure bred boxer a week ago this last Saturday!
She is truely adorable. Havent named her yet though. I will try to get
some pictures posted in a few minutes. We just love her to peices!

Sandy
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "beaulah_2001us"
> <beaulah_2001us@> wrote:
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> > What are lamb flaps? I have never heard of that before.
>
> *** Lamb flaps are usually the tissue between the ribs and the loin,
> that held in the abdominal organs when the lamb was alive. It may
> include the last couple of ribs, and should include quite a bit of
> thin muscular tissue. It is great as meaty bone, but may tend to be a
> bit fatty, depending on the lamb. Start with small amounts if your
> dogs are not used to it.
>
> --Carrie
>

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13a. Re: older GSD losing fur
Posted by: "cynthia iparraguirre" cyn7711@yahoo.com cyn7711
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

maybe its mites.
Cynthia Flores

I've checked the archives and most of the losing fur questions are

regarding dogs new to raw feeding. I have two German Shepherds, one

is 9 and the other is 19 months. They have been eating raw foods for

well over a year now and are doing well. I've noticed that over the

past month my 9 year old male has some small patches of fur missing

onthe lower half of his back as well as dry skin in that area. It

also seems slightly sensitive when I brush him. Could this be diet

related? They eat a variety of chicken, beef, pork, fish and organ

meats with about only one egg a week. My "puppy" is doing great and

has the most beautiful coat. The only difference in diet is that the

puppy likes fruits and vegetables, so I share a little with her when

I eat. I can't imagine that would help her coat though.

I see that in other fur loss issues, more fat from pork and beef is

suggested. I've been feeding pretty much the same combination of

foods since they started the diet, and I'm wondering if maybe his fur

loss and dry skin could just be age related. Any suggestions?

Should I try to increase fat and eggs?

Thanks,

Rebecca

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13b. Re: older GSD losing fur
Posted by: "pretty24355" blackdogshaven@hcinet.net pretty24355
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:52 am ((PDT))

Hi Rebecca,

As others have suggested, have his thyroid checked. Coat problems,
losing hair, dry skin, are very typical in hypothyroid dogs-people too.

Karen

> I've checked the archives and most of the losing fur questions are
> regarding dogs new to raw feeding.
> Rebecca

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14a. Re: no poop since Saturday
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:49 am ((PDT))

Hi Carol,

I don't know if there's anything odd because of the avocado pit (I
have no particular knowledge or experience with that type of thing,
but it SEEMS doubtful that could still be it), but just wanted to let
you know that a couple days w/no poop is normal with my dog. I
haven't really tracked it to know if a certain food/schedule is
linked to this, but he just poops less often in general now and isn't
really on a regular poop schedule. :-)

As you probably know, kibble has fillers and stool regulators and
when you switch to prey model, the bone/meat/skin/fat ratios vary,
size of meals may vary more, etc. So it's just not going to be as
predictable. And stress could definitely affect things.

Since there are no other symptoms, I'd personally give it another day
or two, and don't feed a lot of bone (that way you won't have that as
a constipating factor).

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cdandp2@... wrote:
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> Ok, getting nervous here. Nothing's come out the back end since
Saturday
> morning (it's now Tuesday morning).

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