[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12171

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: Newbie
From: jonivelvet
1.2. Re: Newbie
From: rosey031801
1.3. Re: Newbie
From: Carol Dunster
1.4. Re: Newbie
From: costrowski75
1.5. Re: Newbie
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Pregnant female not eating (57th day)
From: jonivelvet
2b. Re: Pregnant female not eating (57th day)
From: Maofryan@aol.com

3a. Re: Very odd poo
From: Marilyn Neil
3b. Re: Very odd poo
From: Laura Atkinson
3c. Re: Very odd poo
From: jennifer_hell
3d. Re: Very odd poo
From: jennifer_hell
3e. Re: Very odd poo
From: Sandee Lee

4a. Re: Raw Feeding and LGD
From: costrowski75

5a. HELP! Just Started
From: totaly_his
5b. Re: HELP! Just Started
From: Andrea

6a. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: Sandee Lee
6b. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: pretty24355

7a. Re: New at Raw Feeding
From: Sandee Lee

8a. Re: Just switched to raw- question
From: reachpanda
8b. Re: Just switched to raw- question
From: carnesbill
8c. Re: Just switched to raw- question
From: costrowski75

9a. bin it or feed it?
From: colliewoman
9b. Re: bin it or feed it?
From: costrowski75
9c. Re: bin it or feed it?
From: colliewoman

10.1. Venison
From: Kathie Middlemiss

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1.1. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "jonivelvet" jonivelvet@yahoo.com jonivelvet
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:30 am ((PDT))

Hi Michelle,
We use an x-pen lined with old towels to protect our carpet. And
since we have small dogs, we can use the same pen, arranged into two
sectioned "cubes". Each dog goes in his/her cube to eat their bones.
We have to separate them or our female (Mishka) will steal our male's
(Mickey's) bone every time. He always lets her get her way, so a long
time ago we came up with this solution. (Throwing their bones outside
for them to eat out there doesn't work for us because we live in
Montana so it's too cold in the winter for that, plus...we would still
have to do the x-pen thing outside to make sure Mickey gets something
to eat!)

As for their bloody paws, they usually enjoy licking their paws as a
post-meal activity! You can opt to keep them closed in the pen for a
little while after eating to give them time to clean themselves up.

Joni & Mike and the poms, Mickey & Mishka
Pics here: glacierpoms.com

Where to feed the dog in our house,
> whether to use a rug or mat or some other idea, what to use for
clean up, what about wiping
> the dogs paws or beard....tips?
>
> Michelle
>

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1.2. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

***MODERATOR'S NOTE: PLEASE REMEMBER TO SIGN YOUR MESSAGES.***

I feed my dog outside and he loves it. Although with bad weather it can
be a problem.

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1.3. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:40 am ((PDT))

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:57:34 -0000, you wrote:

> Where to feed the dog in our house,
>whether to use a rug or mat or some other idea, what to use for clean up, what about wiping
>the dogs paws or beard....tips?

My four Silkys have eaten in their crates all their lives, since I
used to have several more (I was breeding and showing them). I find
that very convenient. I noticed some rotten meat odors around their
faces - which looked pretty clean - so now I'm giving them a cleaner
look on their haircuts. :) I'm pretty lazy anymore!

I'd think that some of the "waterless" shampoo and a washcloth would
take care of beards though. Just squirt it on the beard and rub it off
with a washcloth or towel and they should stay really nice. Most of
the time they aren't all that messy, I think my odor problem was a raw
liver meal that is stickier than the chicken.

~ Carol
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cedunster@centurytel.net

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1.4. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:48 am ((PDT))

"mmc2315" <m.chelap@...> wrote:
> I'll sit back and read the Files section and start learning.
*****
Not just the files, also browse the archives. Start with any topic,
or start your search by entering a message number, then read where it
takes you. You'll see most if not all your questions answered in the
archives. You need to join Yahoogroups to access the archives, but
you'll find a link at the bottom of every rawfeeding email you
receive.

> I've already read "Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats" by Kymythy
Schultze. It seems a tad
> overwhelming now,
*****
Yes, that book is chock full of overwhelmingness! Here's what you
do: read the text. Ms Schultze pretty much gets the text right. The
text is well-thought-out. Her WHY makes sense.

Then totally, without apology, ignore her how-to section. Her
lovely, sensible conclusions about dogs/wolves fly OUT THE WINDOW
when she gets to telling us HOW to feed our dogs/wolves. I do not
know why she falls so short at the end, but she does and that's why
you are overwhelmed.

You do not have to do any of that makework nonsense except feed meat,
bones and organs. No above ground veggies, no below ground veggies,
no leafy greens, no ground nuts, no kelp, no alfalfa, no supplements
at all (except fish body oil maybe). Agh! Just thinking about the
complusiveness in the book gives me hives.

Several years ago she joined a raw list and I took the opportunity to
comment (not awfully tactfully, but hey that's me all over) on her
commplicated feeding instructions. And you know what? Besides being
a little peeved at my attitude (something I'm sure most people on
this list can understand), she said she feeds whole prey, always has.

Blow me down.

The "why" of her feeding recommendations remained unanswered however.

Moral? Don't worry about what Kymythy Schultze.
Chris O

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1.5. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:04 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 10/17/2007 7:59:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
m.chelap@sbcglobal.net writes:

Good to know! I'm trying to imagine some logistics. Where to feed the dog
in our house,
whether to use a rug or mat or some other idea, what to use for clean up,
what about wiping
the dogs paws or beard....tips?


Michelle,

feeding indoors isn't a problem, even for neat freaks. i chose to get
something big enough for the dogs to lay down on, since most of my dogs like to lay
down and enjoy a big hunk o meat.. i bought the $12 dog blankets at Costco.
2 for every dog (not all at one time.. lol). for the dogs that eat on carpet
i put one of the blankets down and put their food on the blanket.

it takes a couple days of you constantly returning the food to the blanket
for them to get the idea that that is where food is supposed to be eaten. But
they learn quick. I wash one set of blankets about every other week.. the dogs
clean up the blankets pretty good when they are done eating.

as far as cleaning up afterwards, i don't do anything differently than if i
was cooking meat for my family. i wipe the food prep area with warm water,
vinegar and SOMETIMES.. a couple drops of dish soap.

the dogs seem to do a pretty good job of cleaning themselves, i've never
cleaned any dog faces or paws. But we have had to wipe a couple butts after some
loose stools that i wasn't thrilled with. But that kinda thing comes with
almost any diet change and generally goes away quickly.

Catherine R.

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2a. Pregnant female not eating (57th day)
Posted by: "jonivelvet" jonivelvet@yahoo.com jonivelvet
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

Hi all,
I've been lurking for a few weeks and this is my first post. We've
been feeding our two poms raw since they were puppies (they're 2.5
years old). Our female is pregnant and just hit the 56th day (8
weeks) yesterday. I should mention this is our first time breeding
and while we've done a lot of reading, we are still newbies and
obviously are nervous (AND excited) and still have lots of questions
about what to expect.

I think she's getting close because her temp has dropped, she has
started digging and you can feel the pups moving in her belly. She is
now refusing food. Yesterday she reluctantly ate her morning chicken
wing, but I had to cut it up for her AND hand feed it. This morning I
tried: round 1) chicken with ground bone & organ meat, round 2)
salmon mixed with a raw egg, and finally round 3) something she never
refuses, Charlie Bear treats. But she wasn't having any of it.

Is this ok for her to skip food? Anyone have any suggestions? BTW,
she has been eating very healthy the last couple of weeks - about
twice her normal portions - and she has been especially interested in
the organ meat. I'm guessing she knows what her body needs, and maybe
she has enough nutrition in her at this point to give her puppies the
nutrition they need?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Joni & Mike and the poms, Mickey & Mishka
Pics here: glacierpoms.com

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2b. Re: Pregnant female not eating (57th day)
Posted by: "Maofryan@aol.com" Maofryan@aol.com waldorfsarah
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:10 am ((PDT))

Joni
All bitches go off food when they are ready to whelp...it is one of the
signs of early labor. I have GSDs all the time at 58 days...you will be fine.
Sarah

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3a. Re: Very odd poo
Posted by: "Marilyn Neil" ems1classic@btinternet.com marilyn9751
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

Maybe you can tell me why not give natural yogurt. Im constantly having my emails blocked so no point in trying to explain my thoughts

jennifer_hell <jenniferhell@web.de> wrote: --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Marilyn Neil <ems1classic@...> wrote:
>
> I may be in trouble for suggesting this. Try giving natural live
yogurt first thing in the morning, around a small pot sized. this
will help replace the friendly bugs back into the gut. As soon as all
the good bugs are built up the sloppy poos will stop.
>
> Marilyn

No, not in trouble, but why would you give yogurt? The poo will be
back to normal when the digestive system has gotten used to the new
raw food.It's not a problem that needs to be solved.The dog is not sick.
Yogurt is not part of the natural diet of a canidae.

Jennifer with Mandy
(who still waits for an explanation on why veggies, oats, honey, goat
yogurt, milk are part of a species appropriate canidae diet if uncooked)

Ems xxx

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3b. Re: Very odd poo
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:48 am ((PDT))

The entire premise of raw feeding is to stick with species appropriate
foods. Yogurt, or any dairy for that matter, doesn't fall into the category
of species appropriate.

If you give it as a treat, fine...'cause treats are treats (don't ask about
the pound of candy corn I have stashed in the freezer for the one dog who
will stand on her head for candy corn <grin>). But if you give it as part
of a meal, you're depriving the dog of the nutrition they need from what
should be in that portion of the meal - meat, bone and organ.

I suspect if you remember to sign your posts, they'll slide through
moderation more easily too.

On 10/17/07, Marilyn Neil <ems1classic@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe you can tell me why not give natural yogurt. Im constantly having
> my emails blocked so no point in trying to explain my thoughts
>
>
>

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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3c. Re: Very odd poo
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:09 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Marilyn Neil <ems1classic@...> wrote:
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> Maybe you can tell me why not give natural yogurt. Im constantly
having my emails blocked so no point in trying to explain my thoughts
>
Your emails are being reviewed and then posted, because you're new (as
I am still, too). You might get one blocked if you forget to trim and/
or sign them repeatedly. There is a lot of newbie info in the files
section. =)Also check out the links provided there.
Why not give natural yogurt? Because it's not a part of a diet
appropriate for a canidae. Canidae don't ferment themselves some
yogurt because they like to eat it. They don't need yogurt. It makes
not much sense to feed it. This list advocates a prey model diet. As
you can imagine, yogurt, grains, veggies and whatever stuff some
people feed their dogs is not part of the natural prey of a canidae.
Please explain your thoughts. Trim and sign your message and it will
appear on the list (albeit it may take a little until it has been
reviewed, as the mods here are quite busy).

Jennifer with Mandy from Germany

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3d. Re: Very odd poo
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:10 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
wrote:
But if you give it as part
> of a meal, you're depriving the dog of the nutrition they need from what
> should be in that portion of the meal - meat, bone and organ.
>
You said it so much better than I did! =D

Jennifer with Mandy

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3e. Re: Very odd poo
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:19 am ((PDT))

Not only is dairy not a normal part of a carnivore's diet, there would be
little if any probiotic effect. Those powerful stomach acids that are
designed to kill harmful bacteria will also kill any possible beneficial
bacteria (which isn't much) found in yogurt.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Marilyn Neil" <ems1classic@btinternet.com>

> Maybe you can tell me why not give natural yogurt.

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4a. Re: Raw Feeding and LGD
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:02 am ((PDT))

"Kathryn" <paintedgoatfarm@...> wrote:
I ask because lgd's are supposed to be fed with their charges
> and I'm a little sensitive about giving a dog meat in front of the
> vegetarian sheep and goats.
*****
The people who created the various LGD breeds did so without benefit of
kibble or other processed foods. The dogs ate raw food and butchered
scraps and whatever else was available. If a LGD chased or killed its
charges it was removed from the gene pool. No three strikes rule for
an errant LGD.

There is no reason for a healthy, properly trained LGD to attack its
livestock. If it does, it is not because of the raw food it eats but
because it was trained improperly or because it is badly bred or is
ill. There is a big disconnect between livestock on the hoof and dead
meat.

Fortunately, there are several rawfeeders on this list who rely on LGDs
to guard their herds. I hope they will respond. If not, you can (and
should anyway) browse the list archives for past discussions.

Also some have recommended leaving the
> hide on do you think this is a good idea for an lgd?
*****
Based on my experiences with hunting dogs, I don't think it matters one
way or the other. My retrievers have been trained not to eat their
jobs, period. I assume your LGD will have been similarly trained.
Perhaps you might want to remove the hide til you see what the dog's
all about, what its capabilities are.
Chris O

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5a. HELP! Just Started
Posted by: "totaly_his" totaly_his@yahoo.com totaly_his
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:08 am ((PDT))

***MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please take ALL treat-making advice to RawChat.***

This is my third day of raw-feeding. Starting yesterday she had a few
bouts of a tummy-ache. She lowers her upper body down to the floor and
stretches and whines a little. Is this just part of the "changeover"
and her digestive system getting re-adjusted? I gave her some pure
pumpkin but that didn't stay down. She is still eating/drinking fine
and seems like she is still hungry at times(begging for my food). Am I
feeding her enough food? She is having bowel movements and they are
fine...just covered a little in mucous. No diarrhea or vomiting except
when she vomited the pumpkin up.
Day 1: 3 chicken thighs w/ bones
Day 2: 3 chicken thighs/no bones
Day 3: 2 chicken thighs/ bones
Also, I would like to be able to give her a treat sometimes. What do
you suggest. I heard someone say on the forum that they get livers and
bake them. Could you be more specific and tell me how? Thank you, Jackie

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5b. Re: HELP! Just Started
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

What kind of dog do you have and how big is she? A good starting point
is to give 2% of the ideal adult weight every day.

I doubt there is anything wrong with her, maybe a mild upset with the
diet change, but if she has good stools there is no reason to worry.

Treats are treats, so you can give whatever she likes in moderation.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "totaly_his" <totaly_his@...> wrote:

> This is my third day of raw-feeding. Starting yesterday she had a
> few bouts of a tummy-ache. She lowers her upper body down to the
> floor and stretches and whines a little. Is this just part of
> the "changeover" and her digestive system getting re-adjusted?

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6a. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:16 am ((PDT))

Probably not many. Poultry isn't often on the menu and if it were, the neck
would be attached to the rest of the bird which would solve the swallowing
whole problem.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Marilyn Neil" <ems1classic@btinternet.com>

> I wonder how many wild dogs chocked on turkey necks. Just shows that
there are risks in raw feeding. Our dogs love the necks, sadly for them
they are now off the menu.

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6b. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "pretty24355" blackdogshaven@hcinet.net pretty24355
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:24 am ((PDT))

Hi Marilyn,

> I wonder how many wild dogs chocked on turkey necks. Just shows that
there are risks in raw feeding. Our dogs love the necks, sadly for
them they are now off the menu.>

Taking turkey necks off the menu for your dogs is probably a very good
choice. However, that does not prove or disprove risks in raw
feeding. All it continues to prove is the "Know Thy Dog Rule" which we
say over and over again on our list. What some dogs can eat, others
simply cannot. Dogs choke on many items, kibble being one of them.
Our list owner knows a Chow breeder whose young puppy choked to death
on a small bit of cream cheese.

I have fed whole turkey necks to 27 dogs for well over 8 years. I am
now down to 24 dogs due to age-related illnesses. My dogs just love
them. They are big a favorite at my house.

Karen

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7a. Re: New at Raw Feeding
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:22 am ((PDT))

May not be cooked but just because it's raw doesn't make it appropriate for
a carnivore. They have no requirement for carbohydrates. Oats, yogurt,
honey and veggies are off limits. They need meat, bones and organs...and
that's all!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Marilyn Neil" <ems1classic@btinternet.com>

> Well it certainly isnt cooked!!
>
> It certainly is appropriate.

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8a. Re: Just switched to raw- question
Posted by: "reachpanda" reachpanda@hotmail.com reachpanda
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:24 am ((PDT))

> *****
> What sort of emergency do you mean?
>
> Raw prefab patties must be frozen. Any emergency that can undo
frozen
> whole foods will also undo prefab patties. And whole foods will
stay
> frozen longer than patties, unless the patties are bulk-packed.
>
> Any food shortage emergency that requires thawing will require
prefab
> patties to be thawed as well. An "oh I forget to thaw something
for
> dinner" situation is not an emergency. At the very least you can
> skip the meal entirely, since there are few dogs that cannot quite
> safely miss a meal. And should you have one of them, defrosting
> plain, unadulterated ground meat is no more difficult than
defrosting
> a prefab puck.
>
> If things are really and truly dire, canned or dehydrated food
(and,
> alas, dry or wet dogfood) are what will hold up. Raw prefab has
the
> same physical limitations as raw whole food and if you're referring
> to Katrina-like emergencies neither will have a lengthy shelf life.
>
> What do you mean by store bought meat "at any cost?" Taken
> literally, prefab patties will invariably be more expensive than
> whole "human grade" foods and offer less value. So what other
costs
> are you referring to?
>
> Please advise!
> Chris o
>

I guess I should be more aware of my wording around here! By
emergency, I just meant the "forgot to get something for dinner"
variety. And since I'm new to raw feeding Im still worried about
feeding the right balance. I'm trying to break myself from thinking
that 'prepackaged' means more balanced or better in some way. I'll
just have to keep reading everyones great advice!

Andrea

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8b. Re: Just switched to raw- question
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:00 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "reachpanda" <reachpanda@...> wrote:
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> And since I'm new to raw feeding Im still worried about
> feeding the right balance.

Stop worrying about that right now. There is no such thing as "right
balance". Don't shoot for it. It doesn't exist. Feed your dog a
variety of animal parts from a variety of animals and all will be ok.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8c. Re: Just switched to raw- question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:33 pm ((PDT))

"reachpanda" <reachpanda@...> wrote:
> By
> emergency, I just meant the "forgot to get something for dinner"
> variety
*****
Ah.
Well, that can be dealt with by feeding nothing, or cobbling together
some leftovers. Or thinking ahead for the next time by buying a few
pounds of ground meat and making your own patties that are easily
defrosted.

And since I'm new to raw feeding Im still worried about
> feeding the right balance. I'm trying to break myself from thinking
> that 'prepackaged' means more balanced or better in some way.
*****
Balance is not a natural conceit. It is needed when the ingredients
are finite and the food is never ever different. If you are living
in a closed system, there's no way to adjust so everything gosh darn
better be "in balance." Commercial dog food is a closed system.

Feeding a variety of body parts from a variety of animals is a wide
open system that not only allows for change but also encourages it.
If you "miss" something today you can "make up for it" tomorrow and
tomorrow and tomorrow. You do not need to make each day--each meal--
perfect because, like Old Man River, life just keeps rolling along.
In a raw diet, "sooner or later" and "eventually" work just fine.

Prepackaged food, even if spreadsheet perfect, isn't necessarily the
most healthy. Prepackaged inappropriate ingredients--regardless of
how clinically "balanced" they are--are still inappropriate
ingredients.

All commercial menus can do is hope to emulate Ma Nature. A diet
based on what prey provides IS Ma Nature.

Remember to breathe.
Chris O

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9a. bin it or feed it?
Posted by: "colliewoman" donna.frankland@ukonline.co.uk colliewoman
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:38 pm ((PDT))

oh yes, i have been the queen of blag AGAIN!!!
nice mr butcher man ina village on one of my rounds at work (i do
kerbside recycling) is now giving, yep, GIVING me a sack of 'stuff'
every week.
'stuff' varies from week to week, it used to be lots of beef bones but
i asked him not to put those in (beggars CAN be choosers, ya just have
to be cheeky ;) )
so now it tends to be;
chicken carcasses and wings,
lamb ribs and necks,
long pigs feet (WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!)
raw pigs ears, ick, but it keeps em busy for a bit,
piggy tails,
random bits of meat, i have no idea what!
and large squares of pig skin/fat (why do they remove this? does no
one eat crackling any more?)
the last one, is it worth/safe/wise to feed this?
i know the rest is on the boney side, but thats where i fill in with
beef trim and tripe. but the extra fatty stuff? i dunno what to do!

but whilst i'm gloating (hahahahahaa!) i also got given 6 whole lambs
plucks! with liver and heart and trachea and everything still joined
on in one whole squishy blob! gooooo meeeeeeeeee!
everyone should know a small hobby sheep farmer ;)
AND the green grocers next to the butcher gives me a huuuuuuge sack of
greens and trimming for my rabbits.
i'm trying to come up with a realistic blag for the bakers on the
other side of the butcher, 'i was wondering if you could save me any
unsold cream cakes for my ....er.... rats?' do you think it would
work. at least until i put on 50lb?

love
donna

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9b. Re: bin it or feed it?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:52 pm ((PDT))

"colliewoman" <donna.frankland@...> wrote:
> and large squares of pig skin/fat (why do they remove this? does no
> one eat crackling any more?)
> the last one, is it worth/safe/wise to feed this?
> i know the rest is on the boney side, but thats where i fill in with
> beef trim and tripe. but the extra fatty stuff? i dunno what to do!
*****
Donna!
It is so GOOD to see your post! Absolutely no baloney the truth I
was just thinking about you. Appears things are better now, and WHAT
a haul you made! Job well done.

You know, it might be that no one eats fresh made still greasy
crackling any more. I grew up with it but I sure nuf don't make it.
Goes along with the headcheese and pickled eggs...gone, gone.

Anyway, more for the pups. I'd say, if your herd can eat fat include
it in the menu, little by little if that would work better. The lamb
breasts I feed are extra fatty and except for an occasional runny
stool (white, from the bones, very whitewash-y looking) my dogs do
fine. If it doesn't work, don't do it again.

I'm glad you wrote. Do it more often, stranger.
Chris O

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9c. Re: bin it or feed it?
Posted by: "colliewoman" donna.frankland@ukonline.co.uk colliewoman
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:15 pm ((PDT))

> Donna!
> It is so GOOD to see your post! Absolutely no baloney the truth I
> was just thinking about you. Appears things are better now, and WHAT
> a haul you made! Job well done.
>
> You know, it might be that no one eats fresh made still greasy
> crackling any more. I grew up with it but I sure nuf don't make it.
> Goes along with the headcheese and pickled eggs...gone, gone.
>
> Anyway, more for the pups. I'd say, if your herd can eat fat include
> it in the menu, little by little if that would work better. The lamb
> breasts I feed are extra fatty and except for an occasional runny
> stool (white, from the bones, very whitewash-y looking) my dogs do
> fine. If it doesn't work, don't do it again.
>
> I'm glad you wrote. Do it more often, stranger.
> Chris O

tis good to be back hun, though i must admit my absence has been down
to lazyness! my laptop died for a long time and i lost my bookmarks
etc, so kept thinking 'ooh i must google rawfeeding soon'..... and of
course never did!

but yes i am dead chuffed with my haul, i have been very lucky and i
hope it lasts. if it doesnt i may actually have to start PAYING for
animal feed! heavens forbid!

ps
what the h**l is headcheese? lol!

love
donna

pps
got any sheep yet?

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10.1. Venison
Posted by: "Kathie Middlemiss" geekgirl717@gmail.com katjermid
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:39 pm ((PDT))

I had thought my dogs were in love with their raw diet.
I only believed they really loved their meals.

This afternoon after handing them a venison rump roast, I see how very
wrong I was.

My three went after this hunk of meat as if they were starved. Tails
wagging as they playfully snarfled at each other waiting their turns at
the meat, both paws planted to hold it in place as they tore into it.

Thanks to a Freecycle ad I have a half a freezer chock full of goodies
like this as well as some moose and the promise of another phone call in
November to give me more.

*This* is how dogs should be I think!

Kathie Mom to:
Jake, Max and Ruby

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