[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12175

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: problem, ugggggggggg
From: heidilambeth
1b. Re: problem, ugggggggggg
From: Denise Strother

2a. Re: Is it the eggs?
From: carnesbill
2b. Re: Is it the eggs?
From: Andrea

3.1. Re: Freecycle ad Was: Venison
From: Delinda Harmon
3.2. Re: Freecycle ad Was: Venison
From: Kathie Middlemiss

4.1. Tripe
From: Mary Anne Libcke
4.2. Re: Tripe
From: carnesbill
4.3. Re: Tripe
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: Anal glands prone to infection
From: carnesbill

6a. Re: Urine Struvites/crystals
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: Flax seed oil
From: costrowski75
7b. Re: Flax seed oil
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: Chicken? But she loves Beef! Help.....
From: Denise Strother

9.1. Re: Newbie
From: costrowski75
9.2. Re: Newbie
From: costrowski75
9.3. Re: Newbie
From: Andrea
9.4. Re: Newbie
From: costrowski75
9.5. Re: Newbie
From: Laura Atkinson

10a. Re: Anal glands prone to infection- nighttime feeding
From: Finster Boy
10b. Re: Anal glands prone to infection- nighttime feeding
From: Carol Dunster

11a. Re: Anal glands prone to infection-treating the gland directly
From: Finster Boy

12a. Illness
From: ivanthegreat1990
12b. Re: Illness
From: Andrea

13a. Re: About to start
From: Andrea

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1a. Re: problem, ugggggggggg
Posted by: "heidilambeth" heidilambeth@yahoo.com heidilambeth
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:12 am ((PDT))

My older girl, almost 8 yrs old, doesn't have a problem with a
> variety of meat, just the size of it.

***Then cut it up smaller. My older girl doesn't have any front
teeth, so her meat gets cut up into more manageable chunks. Chicken
quarters get separated into thigh and drumstick for her, and meat is
in a bit larger than bite sized chunks so she has to work a little
bit, but not a lot. She still gets all the benefits of eating raw but
tailored exactly to her needs since she does all her ripping and
chewing with her back teeth.

Heidi

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1b. Re: problem, ugggggggggg
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:18 am ((PDT))

Vickie,
The only way you are going to fix this problem is by being the
deciscion maker. As long as your dog decides what she will and won't
eat this is going to be a problem. I did not let my children decide
what they would and would not eat, I don't let my dogs decide what to
eat. I take into consideration my dogs likes and dislikes, but you
will find that once your dogs learn to eat what is given to them or do
without, they are usually not as picky as before. Liver is not
optional, it is the one organ your dog has to have. There are many
tricks people use to get their dogs to eat it. Check the archives. I
foster dogs of all ages, shapes and sizes. I seldom have problems with
switching dogs to raw and the few I have are easily taken care of by a
little tough love. Your dog was not starving, she does have you
trained though. Quit being a pushover and be the pack leader instead
of letting her make adult decisions. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Vickie" <dals4creekside@...> wrote:
She went for almost 4 days like that, refusing to eat it. I finally
saw her loosing some weight and couldn't stand her not eating when she
clearly was starving so I cut the meat into chunks and she happily ate.
The other problem I have is organs............. she will not eat raw
organs. I have to semi cook with seasoning on it to get her to eat it.
Any suggestions you have will be greatly appreciated. I believe the
younger you start them out on total raw the better off you are.

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2a. Re: Is it the eggs?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:13 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "rlayt" <rlayt@...> wrote:
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> I am guessing I may have found a food allergy?

I doubt it. I guessing just too much egg too quick.

> I use cage-free eggs from veggie fed chickens.

I doubt it makes any difference.

> I go to the grocery every three
> days and have hit different ones just in case but I never see
> chicken for less than 1.19 a pound. Beef is much higher.

It usually takes a few months to learn how to shop for raw food for
your dog. I have good luck with small independent grocery stores
(not chains). I have them order things for me by the case. I get a
case of chicken backs for 25 cents/lb, turkey necks are usually
arond 50 cents/lb but can vary and beef heart can be as cheap as 65
cents/lb. You will have to take the whole case which is usually
around 30 or 45 lbs. Beef hearts come in different size cases. The
last couple of cases I bought were 65lbs.

You need to visit these stores in person and talk to the meat
manager. Explain to him that he can add yodur order to his regular
order and doesn't have to unpack anything. Just put the cases in
his cooler until you get buy to pick them up. At the store I use
now, I call him with my order on Monday morning and pick up on
Thursday afternoon.

I never had any luck on the phone. Only with an in persosn visit.
Get to know the meat manager. He can order other cuts of meats for
you also.

You can usually get chicken quarters at Walmart for less than 50
cents/lb in 10lb bags.

> And, a dumb question here for sure, but why would my butcher have
> pieces and parts here? Don't these chain stores like Albertsons,
> Safeway etc get their meat already pre-cut and packaged?

Usually they do, yes. Thats why I said use small independent
stores. The big chains are limited in what they can do and can only
order things stocked in THEIR warehouse. Small stores order from a
meat wholesaler and can usually order most anything.

> The trainer at class told me dogs shouldn't get
> raw because the vet told her 1. Someone who fed raw got bitten by
> their dog and got blood poisoning from it, 2. Dogs have evolved
> beyond eating raw now.

Heheh ... #1 is probably true. Someone got bitten by their dog and
got blood poisoning. The raw diet played no part in that though.
#2 is just plain ol' wrong.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2b. Re: Is it the eggs?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:27 am ((PDT))

> I am guessing I may have found a food allergy?

No, I think your dogs just aren't ready for eggs three days in a
row. Bile vomit may be because you gave breakfast later than the dog
expected, or they had a boney meal the night before and needed to get
rid of a bone bit that wouldn't digest. Eggs loosen my dogs stools
pretty easily, but it doesn't mean they are allergic to them, just
not ready to digest them completely. Give it some time and they'll
be fine.

> are turkeys bred for extra-huge breast bones now? That sucker is a
> strong bone.

Serioulsy! I only cut up a turkey once before I decided it just
wasn't worth it. Until I get some industrial strength paramedic
shears those things are getting fed whole. Not that my dogs would
want it any other way.

> I am not having any luck finding any good deals, like some of the
> prices you all report, around here in my local grocery.

Where do you live? Do you have ethnic grocery stores around you? I
find some great things at mexican or asian markets.

> And, a dumb question here for sure, but why would my butcher have
> pieces and parts here? Don't these chain stores like Albertsons,
> Safeway etc get their meat already pre-cut and packaged?

There's the rub, most of us don't actually have real butchers
anymore. The meat guys at Albertsons and such at the very best
unpack large primals and trim them into human cuts. Not much
scrappage there, unless you would want fat trim and bone dust, which
I don't. Somewhere out there people have real butchers who actually
take a whole animal and cut it down. Those people are the ones that
might have great leftovers.

> The trainer at class told me dogs shouldn't get raw because

It was hard for me at first to defend my decision to feed my pets a
species appropriate diet to naysayers. I mean how many times can you
just say "Actually, that isn't true." In a few months when your dog
looks fantastic and has clearly not developed a taste for blood,
guts, and veins in his teeth, people won't try so hard to tell you
you're wrong.

Andrea

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3.1. Re: Freecycle ad Was: Venison
Posted by: "Delinda Harmon" dharmon@homenetnw.net delinda_harmon
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:16 am ((PDT))

Thank you Kathie,

Would you mind if I copied and pasted your ad to this area's freecycle? It
is worded so much better.

Delinda

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3.2. Re: Freecycle ad Was: Venison
Posted by: "Kathie Middlemiss" geekgirl717@gmail.com katjermid
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:59 am ((PDT))

I don't mind.

I hope it helps!

Kathie

Delinda Harmon wrote:
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> Thank you Kathie,
>
> Would you mind if I copied and pasted your ad to this area's freecycle? It
> is worded so much better.
>
> Delinda
>

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4.1. Tripe
Posted by: "Mary Anne Libcke" Marylibcke@hotmail.com libckem
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:16 am ((PDT))

I am very new to the raw feeding, but so far my dogs are in HEAVEN. I
started with beef ribs and they went nuts! Ate the whole thing. They
loved the chicken gizzards too. Will try chicken tonight.

I had a question about tripe. I have seen it in the stores but am not
familiar with how much or if to try and feed it. Any suggestions?

Mary Libcke
Marylibcke@hotmail.com

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4.2. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:47 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Anne Libcke"
<Marylibcke@...> wrote:
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> I had a question about tripe. I have seen it in the stores but
> am not familiar with how much or if to try and feed it.
> Any suggestions?

The tripe you see in the store is not what you want. It has no
nutrition at all. What some people feed is GREEN tripe. It is
fresh out of the cow(or other animal) and has not been processed.
Personally, I think even green tripe is a highly over rated food. I
don't see much nutrition in it. It's basically a sack.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4.3. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:47 am ((PDT))

"Mary Anne Libcke" <Marylibcke@...> wrote:
>> I had a question about tripe. I have seen it in the stores but am
not
> familiar with how much or if to try and feed it. Any suggestions?
*****
You do not want storebought tripe. You want GREEN tripe.

Check the list archives. There are almost 300 posts that address green
tripe; I cannot imagine your questions will go unanswered.

You must join Yahoogroups to access the archives, but the link to do so
is at the bottom of each rawfeeding email you receive. It's quite
easy. Please take advantage of the learning curve of others.

Chris O

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5a. Re: Anal glands prone to infection
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:19 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Finster Boy" <finster_boy1@...>
wrote:
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> Thanx, Carol-
> He does eat a chicken or turkey neck everday. Wouldn't that
> be enough to express them naturally?

Obviously not.

> Sometimes, I can get him interested in chicken legs or
> thighs. He seems to be getting fussier.

He is getting fussier because you allow him to and it works for
him. He has you wrapped around his little paw. He knows how to get
what he wants from you. He has you trained very well. :) Put down
an appropiate piece of food and walk away. If he shows no interest
for 10 minutes, take it up and feed him nothing until next meal
time. No treats, no snacks, no nothing. Next meal time pull out
the same piece he refused previously and give him another 10 minute
chance at it and if no interest repeat the process. He will soon
gladly eat whatever you put down. It's your responsibility to feed
him healthy food.

> I only use the freeze dried medallions for when my
> handicapped mother cares for him when I'm not home-she can not
> and will not deal with raw food for him.

Do you mean you are gone for days at a time or are you talking about
just being gone to work during the day? If you are talking about
your mother feeding during the day while you are at work, he doesn't
need to be fed that often. At the most, a meal in the morning and a
meal in the evening is enough. Many people here feed only once a
day and you can too if that is a problem.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6a. Re: Urine Struvites/crystals
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:29 am ((PDT))

"Corky Becker" <CorkyRN@...> wrote:
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> I have been feeding my dogs raw for 7 years, and one of my minis has
> high struvite crystals in her urine. Does anyone know how I can
treat
> this?
*****
This is not a diet issue, it's a bladder infection. To fix it you have
to address the bladder infection, and that is not a topic for the
rawfeeding list.

While it's my preference to use links as support but not the message, I
am including these two links because their content is far and away more
detailed than I could ever want to have memorized. Please read both!

http://vettechs.blogspot.com/2005/05/so-your-dog-has-struvites.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/09/05/petscol.DTL

Chris O

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7a. Re: Flax seed oil
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:45 am ((PDT))

"doreenchui" <doreenchui@...> wrote:
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> Pardon me for my ignorance. Pure herring fish oil means salmon oil,
> cod liver oil?
*****
Don't apologize for not knowing! If you remember to trim your posts
that will be apology enough!

Fish oil:
salmon
herring
mackerel
menhaden

The term "fish BODY oil" means a combination of fish oils were used.
This is fine.

The term "cod liver oil" means only the oil from a cod's liver is
used. This is of little value in a raw diet since it offers little
Omega 3 fatty acids but large amounts of vitamin A and D. A good oil
supplement offers high levels of Omega 3 and includes only minimal
amounts of unnecessary additives. It is not necessary to supplement
with vitamins A and D when feeding a varied raw diet.

Flaxseed oil is difficult for your dog to process. All plant-based
oils are. FSO delivers Omega 6 (which is generally overabundant in a
raw diet already) as well as 3. FSO can also be a source of
inflammation and itching on its own, just as a soy-based oil can also
be its own worst enemy.

Chris O

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7b. Re: Flax seed oil
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:54 am ((PDT))

moemahood@... wrote:
>> I started feeding more green tripe and that had a significant effect
on both the coats and teeth of my two.
>
> I feed whole green tripe not the ground kind -- not sure if that
makes a difference on the teeth, but probably.
*****
Whole green tripe from grassfed cows is a good potential source of
Omega 3 and certainly anything (anything!) that physically scrubs the
teeth can clean the teeth.

Teeth are not cleaned by the mere presence of anything; teeth must be
brushed, however one accomplishes that. Ideally, ripping and tearing
and slicing and gnawing are the doggy toothbrushes of choice but if
these don't naturally work then some other method of brushing (like a
toothbrush) is needed.

A nice unwieldy section of unwashed stomach tissue can indeed be a boon
to both skin and teeth! I'm thinking working a frozen or mostly frozen
chub of green tripe would also provide some degree of dental hygiene.
Be interesting to find out.
Chris O

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8a. Re: Chicken? But she loves Beef! Help.....
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:47 am ((PDT))

Yes, your a geek. But, at least your in good company! I feed 2 5lb
Chihuahuas and a Pitbull. I often feed whole chickens. I put it down
and let one Chi eat, then the other and let the Pit do clean up. If
there is any left, I put it in the fridge and feed it the next day.
Big food is great neck, shoulder and jaw exercise and less hassle
too! Mine love whole pork shoulder roasts big chunks of beef and
pork ribs too. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tiffany"
<tiffanybrookeburns@...> wrote:
I see that most people recommend chicken first, and I know that it
needs to be more meat to bone ratio. So what part of the chicken
should I start her on? I heard a couple people say that if she's a
gulper to start with something bigger than her head... which she
would probably love. (She'd eat a whole flipp'n cow if we'd let her
at it.) Should I buy her a whole chicken and see what happens? Or
can I start with beef since we know she loves it? I love this
group!! Everyone is so helpful and informative, and I love learning
about "Raw Feeding".... does that make me a geek?

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9.1. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:20 am ((PDT))

Diane Young <dkyoung63@...> wrote:
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> I disagree about the veggies, kelp, etc. Some of you here feed a
prey diet, but that isn't the only raw diet and those who feed
veggies and other stuff like yogurt shouldn't keep being told that
the way they're feeding is wrong.
*****
Veggies and grains are not wrong if you have no interest in feeding a
species appropriate diet. If you are feeding a species appropriate
diet or want to or want to feed your dog a diet that is based on what
a wolf/your dog would eat, then veggies and grains play no role in
your shopping list.

Since this list promotes, recommends and encourages a species
appropriate diet of meat, edible bone and organs in a proportion
representative of whole prey (the gamut), the likelihood of veggies
and grains being part of the diet is virtually nil. As in zero, no
way, nope, uh-uh.

Whatever you choose to feed your dogs is your business, but when you
include as essential things like veggies and grains and kelp and
alfalfa etc. you are choosing artifice over nature. You are choosing
to rely on human needs, expectations, and fears--not the simple
uncomplicated reality of Ma Nature.

I have had perfectly healthy dogs with feeding the other stuff and
variety is not a bad thing. Dogs eat grass and leaves when you take
them outside, and my dogs have all LOVED apples.
*****
This is an argument without merit. As others will be happy to tell
you, dogs eat drywall, rocks, socks, bandages, and gosh even kibble
with great joy. None of these are species appropriate, none are
healthy substitutes for real food. Apples are logical and sensible
season windfall treats in a domestic environment; in the wild apples
such as your dogs enjoy do not exist. Eating grass and leaves
outside are of little relevance to menu. Do you include grass and
leaves in their food bowls?

People have "perfectly healthy" dogs that have thrived on Ol' Roy or
even Wysong for 15 years. That dogs can eat such things doesn't mean
they should. I suggest the same conclusion can be applied to
elements of your feeding plan.

> The only things I know that absolutely should be avoided even as
part of a raw diet are chocolate and onions, and there is some debate
about tomatoes so I'm careful with them.
*****
It seems to me that you are unclear on a variety of issues. Tomato
greens are undesirable but the fruit is not an issue if eaten
occasionally as a treat. Chocolate becomes an issue as quantity and
theobromine increase: a small dose of M&Ms is quite different from a
block of dark, unsweetened baker's chocolate. Flaxseed is generally
disregarded as a good, uncompromised source of Omega 3 fatty aicds
FOR A DOG OR CAT. For omnivores and herbivores, flaxseed may well be
beneficial, but we are not discussing humans or cows on this list
except as feeders or food.

And mixes--entreprenurial Ohio breeders notwithstanding--have no
significant role in a good species appropriate diet. That you are
committed to such a menu explains why you support such ingredients.

Chris O

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9.2. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:29 am ((PDT))

Diane Young <dkyoung63@...> wrote:
A squirt with a cleaner containing bleach and a paper towel cleans the
crate right up and makes my life easier.
*****
There's hardly a sensible reason to rely on bleach when something less
invasive like a vinegar or hydrogren peroxide spritz will work just as
well. Especially in an enclosed space like a crate.
Chris O

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9.3. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:35 am ((PDT))

The important O3's that our dogs need are DHA and EPA, which are in
an available form from fish oils. Flax seed oil is made of another
O3, ALA, which some mammals can break down into DHA and EPA. I think
that humans convert up to 15% of the ALA that they ingest, which
isn't very efficient, and it is generally accepted that canines are
less efficient than that.

Nestle did a study about how to increase the amount of DHA in a
mother dog's milk to the pups. They determined that in order to get
the same amount of DHA in the mother's milk they had to supplement a
huge amount (6.8% of the diet) with ALA as opposed to only 0.55%
direct DHA. [The role of fatty acids in neurodevelopment. From
Nestlé Purina Pet Institute Research Report 9(2):7-8.]

In the end, fish oil provides a more readily available source of the
important O3's.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, moemahood@... wrote:

> Sandee, Can you please site references so that I can see where you
are getting this information.? Maybe a scientific study of some
sort?? Or is this just in your personal experience?

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9.4. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:54 am ((PDT))

"Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
> Nestle did a study about how to increase the amount of DHA in a
> mother dog's milk to the pups. They determined that in order to get
> the same amount of DHA in the mother's milk they had to supplement a
> huge amount (6.8% of the diet) with ALA as opposed to only 0.55%
> direct DHA. [The role of fatty acids in neurodevelopment. From
> Nestlé Purina Pet Institute Research Report 9(2):7-8.]
*****
Ah, Andrea, this is perfect!
Thank you for doing the legwork; your post is going into my "good
fish/bad fish" file which has sort of mutated into a general Omega 3
repository.

I suspect we will have regular opportunitiese to refer to your efforts.
Chris O

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9.5. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:44 am ((PDT))

Although I **highly** recommend diluting the white vinegar. Have you ever
stuck your head in a crate to wipe out the vinegar you just spritzed in
there? <grin> If it hurts me to smell it, I can only imagine what it does
to a dog's more sensitive sniffer!

On 10/18/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
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> Diane Young <dkyoung63@...> wrote:
> A squirt with a cleaner containing bleach and a paper towel cleans the
> crate right up and makes my life easier.
> *****
> There's hardly a sensible reason to rely on bleach when something less
> invasive like a vinegar or hydrogren peroxide spritz will work just as
> well. Especially in an enclosed space like a crate.
> Chris O
>
>
>

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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10a. Re: Anal glands prone to infection- nighttime feeding
Posted by: "Finster Boy" finster_boy1@yahoo.com finster_boy1
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:23 am ((PDT))

Thanx for the heads up, Kathy-
I only give him a little, little at night. It seems that he needs a
small amount of food (and something raw will necessitate a b m in the
middle of the night!)in his system for the night time. Otherwise- he
will spit up bile in the morning, be nauseous so he won't want his
chicken neck, then he's off schedule which means I have to leave him w/
my handicapped mother to deal with the raw food thing-which she won't
do. WOW! What a house of dominos I've created!

I will look for an alternative though, so thank-you for your
information.
Patricia.

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10b. Re: Anal glands prone to infection- nighttime feeding
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:58 am ((PDT))

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:22:15 -0000, you wrote:

> I have to leave him w/ my handicapped mother to deal with the raw food thing-which she won't do

Would she feed him raw food that was partly or all frozen? Or even a
glop of ground beef in a bowl? Maybe there is some compromise that she
could accept for his health.

What is it that she finds difficult about raw food?
~ Carol
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Carol Dunster
cedunster@centurytel.net

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11a. Re: Anal glands prone to infection-treating the gland directly
Posted by: "Finster Boy" finster_boy1@yahoo.com finster_boy1
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:28 am ((PDT))

Terry--
> Does your vet INJECT an antibiotic DIRECTLY into the anal gland? Is
> this painful for your dog-during and afterward?
>
> I have an appt. w/ a new vet this afternoon. Mine is away and my dog
> had diarrea every hour on the hour last nite.
> This morning, there is blood mixed with his stool which also has a
gel-
> like consistancy. In the past, my vet diagnosed it as pancreaitis,
and
> blames the raw meat.
> I would like to ask this vet about treating the glands directly-if
that
> is what the problem really is.
> Thank-you for your helpful suggestion.

Patricia

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12a. Illness
Posted by: "ivanthegreat1990" lovemysd@tcsn.net ivanthegreat1990
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:21 am ((PDT))

My dog got hurt and broken leg, now pinned. Is it a good idea to
still do raw because he's having problems with it and imune
system?

Thanks

Susan and Alexo(ouch)

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12b. Re: Illness
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:40 am ((PDT))

It's an even better reason to switch to raw! Switching to raw doesn't
hurt the immune system, it prompts the system to become stronger.
Besides, it will give him something to get excited about every day!

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "ivanthegreat1990" <lovemysd@...>
wrote:
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> My dog got hurt and broken leg, now pinned. Is it a good idea to
> still do raw because he's having problems with it and imune
> system?

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13a. Re: About to start
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:10 am ((PDT))

I see no reason to take skin off unless you have to. Loose stools can
be caused by too much food at once as well as too much fat to start.
Give her some regular chicken and if she has digestive problems, you
can think about reducing the amount or trimming some of the fatty skin
bits off. Don't worry about asking basic questions either, we were all
amateurs at one time.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Lynette" <lraefried@...> wrote:

> When just starting should I take the skin off? I thought I read
> something about too much fatty stuff would not be a good idea, is
> skin fatty?

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